IBM's workforce in U.S. declines in '08 but grows overseas

[OhioChick]

Source: Computer World

Company's overall workforce increased slightly last year

March 19, 2009 (Computerworld) The number of workers that IBM employs in the U.S. declined by about 5% last year, but the company's overall head count is increasing because of overseas hiring.

IBM finished 2008 with 115,000 U.S. employees, down from the 121,000 it reported at the end of 2007, according to its most recent annual report released this month. Overall, IBM finished 2008 with 398,455 employees worldwide, an increase of nearly 12,000, or about 3%.

In 2007, IBM said it had 98,000 employees in Brazil, China, India and Russia, but that number increased by 15% to 113,000 last year. Most of those employees are in India.

IBM continues to cite the U.S. as the country with its largest workforce, but it is not providing a breakout of head count for India, which may well be the second-largest country for employment. In 2007, IBM said it had 74,000 workers in India.

IBM's head count could change substantially if it buys Sun Microsystems Inc. or another company this year.




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I'm shocked....shocked I tell you. :sarcasm:

[Deja Q]

1. Strange they won't admit a simple numerical statistic...

What's so scary about not revealing something so pedantic?

(Edited: removed chance of any unintended miscommunication)

[ihavenobias]

2. It never ends. n/t

[antimatter98]

3. The Computer Sci. and Engineering grads in India are superior to the US grads and cost less.

That's why IBM is moving offshore. Quality of the staff and the cost
of hiring and retention.

The US has no business plan for the 21st century, other than to make education
extremely expensive to get, and moving jobs off shore as fast as possible.

[OhioChick]

4. "Cost less?" Of course. "Superior?" BS.

It's all about who will work for the least amount of money.

Cheap ass labor...

[Deja Q]

23. 1000% correct.

And it's cheaper only because the $10/hr for programmers goes a lot farther in India than it does here.

When it comes to "flat Earth", some so-called "analyst" forgot the obvious: Cost of living in the various countries.

Oops.

[ChromeFoundry]

6. Such a vast amount of new, commercial grade software packages

coming out of India these days! I can count them without any fingers!

Back up your lame ass statement with links to studies that prove this BS you are shoveling... or move along.


Pfffft, "antimatter" - seems to be an excess directly above your shoulders.

[Deja Q]

22. Windows Vista, Microsoft _____________

:hide:

Well, maybe it's an international effort - I don't know who does what in that company. I worry that they don't either...

(Having looked under the hood, Office 2007 slops a pretty interface over the same old bloat and adds even more bloat. Never mind the spaghetti known as the Registry... Microsoft was on crack when they developed the registry, but it's a real piece of smelly arse these days.)

[ChromeFoundry]

25. The most frustration I have...

when forced to use Microsoft's "Orifice" 2007, is that damned Ribbon Toolbar as a replacement for the menu items. That is the worst bastardization of a user interface known to mankind.

Both products were an international development abomination (...er, effort)... from what I was told by an employee, the majority of Service Packs and KB fixes were developed here.

If you think the products have received a black-eye from the press and public... you should listen to the people internal to the company talk about it (while outside of the office, of course)!

[2Design]

7. not true - not from my experience n/t

[eridani]

9. If they're so damned superior, why would they require training by the people they replace? n/t

[high density]

21. Superior??

Yeah right. Cheaper.

[mitchum]

27. What utter horseshit

[Sultana]

32. STFU, you don't know shit

dumbass

[defendandprotect]

5. Personally, I think we should slam the door on corporations who have left . . .

renew tariffs and end trade agreements and let new business rise in America.

With new jobs -- let IBM harvest slave labor in India --- fine -- but let's not

let them force American workers to compete with slave labor!!

[WriteDown]

12. Would be an interesting experiment....

but we'd have to do without our iphones, ipods, and flat screen TV's.

[w4rma]

16. We'll build them here. Entire industries would grow in the U.S. overnight. (nt)

[OhioChick]

17. They surely would. n/t

[Deja Q]

20. Intel opened a CPU plant in the US back in August of 2008...

32nm manufacturing process and all. :9

I don't give a shit about iSlop either; something that *only* plays music is a waste of silicon; that counts all MP3s that have no secondary function (e.g. note taking, alarm reminders, et al -- PDAs are so much better. Newton was ahead of its time, like how Xerox was wit the GUI and mouse...)

[Double T]

8. 'big' blue, go get screwed!

IBM also has their sights set on Africa where they can harvest a fresh crop of slave wage workers. Hey IBM, all that is missing is the molasses and rum.

[UndertheOcean]

10. Well , IBM has an international market , so it makes sense for it to have

an international workforce , no ?

[ChromeFoundry]

11. If that is the case...

Then India can add to the bailout funds...

Sam Palmisano: IBM CEO begs Obama for bailout
http://gawker.com/5078804/ibm-ceo-begs-obama-for-bailout

[OhioChick]

13. Screw Sam....

He should go and live in India like he wanted his US employees to.

[mitchum]

28. I think all corporate executives should be required to live in the third world hellholes...

from where they draw their workforce

[OhioChick]

30. They damn well should...

Pack up their families and move.

[UndertheOcean]

14. Well, it should .

[Deja Q]

18. Agreed, 100%. "Global economy" and all.

[defendandprotect]

15. Couldn't have anything to do with "harvesting slave labor" by any chance . . .???

[Deja Q]

19. I don't think it's slave labor -- $8/hour for programming goes a lot longer in India than in America

Everyone is taking advantage of a poorly implemented system. It's called "abuse".

Tax cuts TO companies THAT offshore - it's ridiculous.

[defendandprotect]

26. The question isn't how cheaply foreigners can live on down-scaled wages . . .

the question is why should Americans compete with them?

Meanwhile, what of the up-scale profits by these companies who still want

access to our markets?

We need to renew tariffs and overturn the trade agreements --

[4_TN_TITANS]

24. When are these dumb ass business going to learn?

If there's anyone in the world that will buy their products, it's Americans - but not if you take away their jobs.

[antigop]

29. Why should it matter to them? They got their money. Sam will retire w/ a huge pension on top of all

the compensation he has received. If there's nothing left of the company after he retires, do you think he really cares?

[OhioChick]

31. He doesn't give a rat's ass...he's got his. n/t