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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 04:23 PM
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The Next AIG Scandal? (firm's problems may extend to its 'healthy' insurance side)
Source: Newsweek



The firm's problems may extend to its 'healthy' insurance side.

By Michael Hirsh | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Mar 18, 2009


Outrageous. It's the preferred adjective used by Barack Obama and Ben Bernanke to describe AIG, the crippled giant that has turned into a national money pit. AIG has swallowed at least $170 billion in taxpayer money so far while funneling $165 million of it onward in bonuses to its incompetent executives, along with tens of billions more to equally privileged "counterparties" like Goldman Sachs.

But I suspect that—with apologies to a famous American patriot—we have not yet begun to get outraged. At least if some of the insurance experts I've been talking to are correct.

Thomas Gober, a former Mississippi state insurance examiner who has tracked fraud in the industry for 23 years and served previously as a consultant to the FBI and the Department of Justice, says he believes AIG's supposedly solvent insurance business may be at least as troubled as its reckless financial-products unit. Far from being "healthy," as state insurance regulators, ratings agencies and other experts have repeatedly described the insurance side, Gober calls it "a house of cards." Citing numerous documents he has obtained from state insurance regulators and obscure data buried in AIG's own 300-page annual reports, Gober argues that AIG's 71 interlocking domestic U.S. insurance subsidiaries are in hock to each other to an astonishing degree.

Most of this as-yet-undiscovered problem, Gober says, lies in the area of reinsurance, whereby one insurance company insures the liabilities of another so that the latter doesn't have to carry all the risk on its books. Most major insurance companies use outside firms to reinsure, but the vast majority of AIG's reinsurance contracts are negotiated internally among its affiliates, Gober says, and these internal balance sheets don't add up. The annual report of one major AIG subsidiary, American Home Assurance, shows that it owes $25 billion to another AIG affiliate, National Union Fire, Gober maintains. But American has only $22 billion of total invested assets on its balance sheet, he says, and it has issued another $22 billion in guarantees to the other companies. "The American Home assets and liquidity raise serious questions about their ability to make good on their promise to National Union Fire," says Gober, who has a consulting business devoted to protecting policyholders. Gober says there are numerous other examples of "cooked books" between AIG subsidiaries. Based on the state insurance regulators' own reports detailing unanswered questions, the tally in losses could be hundreds of billions of dollars more than AIG is now acknowledging.

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/id/189917
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 04:53 PM
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1. Ah, $h!t. n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 04:55 PM
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2. That's All, Folks!


Shut that sucker down. NOW!
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Xolodno Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 04:55 PM
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3. oh boy....
This could be a big problem....

If the Property and Casualty unit was NOT doing as well as initially stated....

1. Anyone insured by AIG or one of its subsidiaries and has a claim may have to go to their state guaranty fund. Which is paid in by all insurance companies...and if they have to up their ante because of AIG....they will have to up your ante on the policy.

2. Wonder if they were propping up the P&C side in order to get someone to buy it? And that insurance company suddenly has a mountain of red ink.....speaking of....

3. How many other insurance companies used AIG as a re-insurer?

If an insurance company was counting on them in the case of a major catastrophic event....they could be insolvent as we speak and not know it.

If an insurance company placed a significant amount of business with them in re-insurance....they may be forced to cancel those policies and leaving a lot of people uninsured and jockeying for coverage. Those companies will be forced to raise rates by law when taking on a lot of new risk. They can't cover anyone without significant reserves in place.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 04:58 PM
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4. Time to look for a new car insurance company
I've had AIG for years and a fairly good price, but renewal comes up in May and me thinks it's time to go somewhere else.


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Xolodno Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 05:13 PM
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6. Thats another thing....
How many just like you are going to take their policy to someone else? Just because the don't feel "safe" with AIG? Or due to the recent bad press? The "run" on the insurance side could leave them exposed in a bad way. Those who have few losses if any may run now so they can get a decent rate at another company before they raise them. But those who have had some serious losses or have the propensity to have serious losses are going to have a harder time...and of course eat into AIG's reserves.

I've seen a net decrease in the number of policies at the company I work for....but for the life of me, I can't understand why its not more?! With this economy it should be a lot worse and its not. How much of it is from people leaving AIG?
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 08:07 PM
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9. Well,
If AIG's insurance business is in fact a house of paper shuffling and I have not done my own due diligence to provide insurance for the automobiles in my family, then I am at fault should I get a nice note along the way "Gee, sorry we are out of business and you have no auto insurance". It is my responsibility to provide coverage to legally drive within my state and in order for my spouse and myself to commute, earn a living, pay our mortgage, pay our taxes and contribute to the economy we must drive, therefore the possibility of AIG's failure is a very real concern.

I have had reasonable rates with AIG through the years and have not had an accident or real need to utilize the coverage of my policy, but my responsibility dictates that I seriously look elsewhere.


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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 05:07 PM
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5. The mess is compounding... daily! (n/t)
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 05:48 PM
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7. I'm Not Sure We Have Heard The Last Of The Bonus Scandal
Because 73 people got at least $1 million in retention bonus money yet 11 have already gone elsewhere. What kind of additional compensation did those 11 former employees receive and how large was that compensation? We may only be seeing the tip of the compensation iceberg.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 06:12 PM
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8. I read about this earlier in another post and the first thing I thought
was that AIG is another Enron-like scheme. nothing but smoke and mirrors. paper shuttled between and within its own subsidiaries with little to no real money/value behind any of it.

So who is going to be the next 'Kenny-boy'?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:25 PM
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13. CNBC's Maria Bart was indignant that the Insurance employees should keep their bonuses
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 08:41 PM
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10. Enron on steroids.
This will only get uglier. No one has a solution and the so called brain trust--Geitner and Bernanke certainly have no perspective. They are too steeped in the culture that brought us to this point.
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global_traveler Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:48 AM
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11. Democratic Underground Mission to AIG-UK
The American International Group’s financial products unit, which brought the firm to the verge of collapse with bad bets on credit-default swaps, is being investigated by British prosecutors for possible criminal conduct. AIG London office 'ground zero' of financial crisis

Address:

AIG
Building, 58 <------------This is Ground Zero for the World's Financial 9/11
Fenchurch Street
London, EC3M 4AB

Reference Link:
http://www.aig.co.uk/About-Us_354_74160.html


I'd encourage anybody in our "club" to contact their buddies in the UK. Have them go "visit" the above address. It is ground zero for the end of the World. Absolutely. If anyone needs a "tune up," it is those at the above office. They need to be arrested and brought to the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity. Make a citizen's arrest of the fucking cocksuckers. Handcuff them to you, and bring them to the Hague. They are the executioners of the biggest and likely the finale of the Western World's Financial Well Being. I would go there myself if somebody wants to put up the "bounty" money to cover my expenses. I've got a valid U.S. Passport, and know my way around London. Let's mount up and go!
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 05:46 AM
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12. Too big to fail, they said.
What a royal clusterfuck!
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