China 'will not have democracy'

[Coventina]

Source: BBC

China will never adopt Western-style democracy with a multi-party system, its top legislator has said.

Parliament chief Wu Bangguo said that China would draw on the achievements of all cultures but would not "simply copy" the West.

Communist Party leadership should be strengthened and "the correct political orientation" maintained, he said.

Mr Wu made the comments in a speech to the National People's Congress, China's annual parliament session.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7932091.stm

[closeupready]

1. So then revoke their Most Favored Nation trading status.

We were told that giving China that status would lead to democracy. Since it is clear that this was a lie, we need to respond in kind.

[tanngrisnir3]

2. It's just one dipshit talking; there is no way to definitively predict this...

one way or the other.

Besides, history has a way of showing up those who say, "X will never......"

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. So they maintain the state structure, while adopting and adapting capitalism.

doesn't that make them Fascist, rather than Communist?

[Lucky Luciano]

4. pretty much....I am not sure why people call the Chinese Communist

when, as you state, the obvious correct word is fascist.

[derby378]

5. Fascists hated capitalism, too

Neither fascists nor communists believed that the free market was an ideal form of economics - they both wanted control of the financial structure of the nation, albeit for different purposes.

China is evolving into a syndicracy more than anything else - a corporate state.

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. Which fits with Musollini's definition of fascism as being 'corporatism'. nt

[sutz12]

8. I think fascists loved monopolistic "capitalism"

In line with socializing the losses and privatizing the profits.

[PatrynXX]

7. don't think we are asking it to change political systems.

we're asking it to change it's human rights abuse.

[rollingrock]

11. While turning a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's?

Oh, they have oil so its all good.

Saudis order 40 lashes for elderly woman for mingling


CNN
By Mohammed Jamjoom and Saad Abedine
March 9, 2009


A Saudi Arabian court has sentenced a 75-year-old Syrian woman to 40 lashes, four months imprisonment and deportation from the kingdom for having two unrelated men in her house, according to local media reports.

According to the Saudi daily newspaper Al-Watan, troubles for the woman, Khamisa Mohammed Sawadi, began last year when a member of the religious police entered her house in the city of Al-Chamli and found her with two unrelated men, "Fahd" and "Hadian."

Fahd told the policeman that he had the right to be there, because Sawadi had breast-fed him as a baby and was therefore considered to be a son to her in Islam, according to Al-Watan. Fahd, 24, added that his friend Hadian was escorting him as he delivered bread for the elderly woman. The policeman then arrested both men.

Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam called Wahhabism and punishes unrelated men and women who are caught mingling.

The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, feared by many Saudis, is made up of several thousand religious policemen charged with duties such as enforcing dress codes, prayer times and segregation of the sexes. Under Saudi law, women face many restrictions, including a strict dress code and a ban on driving. Women also need to have a man's permission to travel.


www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/09/saudi.arabia.lashes/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

[pampango]

9. And Richard Nixon was "not a crook." Sometimes when a public official feels the need to "spin",

there is something going on that scares him. China's "top legislator" could be whistling in the dark. His assessment of the future conveniently leaves him and his buddies in the party in power. I'm sure a few years ago Bush thought the repubs would still be in power today. Sometime things don't work out the way you want, Mr. Wu.

[Vehl]

10. Even as we speak Tibet is being colonized by chinese

Even as we speak Tibet is being colonized by Chinese immigrants thanks to government sponsored projects. The Chinese government plans to totally alter the demography of Tibet by making the Chinese the majority. This way; china ensures that even if the Tibetans revolt; the revolt would not succeed. For all our talk about freedom; liberty and blah blah blah..we stand by and do nothing when a sovereign country and its people were invaded and ,made slaves in their own land


but oh yeah..we would go to "war" to "liberate" countries even when we don't have any valid reasons if that would help our fat cats though!


x(

[Lucky Luciano]

12. I thought this happened long ago. Lhasa is far less Tibetan today

than it was 60 years ago.

[rollingrock]

13. Just as Europeans colonized America

and displaced/killed off the natives in the process?

I don't think westerners have the moral high ground to speak on the issue.

We need to mind our own business and take care of far more pressing issues here at home.

[Vehl]

14. then why be selective?

what you say is true(about native americans); but if that is the reason that America is not intervening in the Tibetian issue; then pray do enlighten me as to why it did intervene is man other conflicts abroad? i can name a dozen from the top of my head..to begin with.


why be selective? the reason is that the American economy is tied in with the Chinese one to such a degree that if China decides to do something negative about it; America would go bankrupt.


but that was not the case with Serbia or Sudan..hence all this talk about the human rights abuses by those countries.


its pure hypocrisy.


Ps: oh and also the fact that the poor Tibetians do not have anything of economic or strategic value does not help either.



this is a dangerous trend that shows how powerless the United Nations is...its almost as Powerless as the league of nations that preceded it...


who thinks any country would respond militarily/economically if say for example china takes over the spratly islands?

[unkachuck]

19. did you mean China or Israel?....n/t

[ConcernedCanuk]

15. Well, when ya think about it - this so called "democracy" ain't working so swimmingly in IRAQ

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Iraq only has a little over 20 million people, and removing their dictator has caused more death and destruction than Saddam could or would have accomplished

now

let's put the "democracy" Western-style into a country with over ONE BILLION people

Militarily China has minded it's own business for centuries

maybe the USA could learn something there

SOME call China a paper tiger

I disagree -

It's a sleeping tiger, but with one eye WIDE open . . .

when the USA stumbles,

watch out.

[Coventina]

16. "Militarily China has minded its own business for centuries"

I think the Koreans and Tibetans would disagree with that....

[ConcernedCanuk]

17. OK - I'll qualify it then - "Compared to the USA"

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I thought that was a given . .

sorry . . .

[David__77]

18. The headline is midleading.

No one said "will not have democracy." Wu said china will have "socialist democracy" with "multi-party cooperation." Though misleading, he did not say what the BBC implied he said. I'm just sick of editorializing headlines by supposedly neutral news agencies.