Schwarzenegger orders attorney general to halt gay marriages

[tritsofme]

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered California's attorney general Friday to take legal action to stop San Francisco from granting marriage licenses to gay couples.

In a letter to Attorney General Bill Lockyer, Schwarzenegger directed the state's top lawyer "to take immediate steps" to get a definitive court ruling declaring the city's actions to be illegal.

"Our civilized society and legal system is based upon a respect for and adherence to the rule of law. The City and County of San Francisco's unfortunate choice to disregard state law and grant marriage certificates to gay couples directly undermines this fundamental guarantee," Schwarzenegger wrote. "As Attorney General, you have the authority to take legal action to require the City and County of San Francisco to comply with the laws of the State."

<SNIP>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/02/20/state2325EST0245.DTL&type=printable

[slinkerwink]

1. fuck.

:-(

[saigon68]

70. GROPEINATOR HOMOPHOBIA

Looks like the Thug is showing his true colors.

[mhr]

2. If Anyone Thought The Gropenator Was A Moderate, This Settles The Debate

eom

[slinkerwink]

4. once a repuke, always a repuke.

[Bertha Venation]

3. Dear Mr. Governor:

Up yours.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. Heh!

This fucks Lockyer good...asswipe says he voted for Arnold....we'll see what he does.

[shanti]

36. if lockyer stops stops this

his political aspirations in california are over.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

43. He doesn't have to but since he has his own eye on the governor's

mansion, he will do whatever will get him closer. I've supported Lockyer his entire career going WAY back into the 80's but he came calling for a fundraiser right after the recall and I sent the notice back with a note that said..invite Arnold..He can give you MY contribution.

[shanti]

47. ha, good one

that's what you have to do to get the message to them. like you, i always supported lockyer, but his pandering support of the ahnold disgusted me, so he can no longer count on my support.

[MisterP]

55. guess Treasurer Angelides is the runner-up;

he's complaining about Ahnuld's shunting deficits on the next generation and his budget stupidities

[dfong63]

52. hope he gets the message

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

53. Oh he's getting his ass kicked by his traditional constituencies right now

He's gonna have to grovel.

[Endangered Specie]

6. The Groppenfuhrer has spoken! Only now does he tell us where he stands

[BootinUp]

7. Ha ha ha ha

What a shock /not

[NewYorkerfromMass]

8. I think there's a good chance Arnold will begin to discredit the GOP

I hope his negative coattails extend well into the surrounding region.
Maybe turn some red states blue.

[Endangered Specie]

9. IF I hear "sanctity of marriage" come out of his mouth...

if you exist, God help me.

Of all people who oughta know about such things.

[David Dunham]

10. Ca DUERS: VOTE NO ON ARNOLD'S BOND PROPOSAL

[Piperay]

34. Don't worry, this Californian

intends to vote NO. :thumbsdown: I don't know why I should help bail his sorry ass out when he claimed he could solve all the problems. :argh: :mad:

[shanti]

37. right on!

i'm voting no on everything but 56. PLEASE VOTE YES ON 56!

[The Zanti Regent]

48. NO on 57 and NO on 58

Make Arnold raise taxes on his millionaire pals Leno and Millken!

[twilight]

77. NO on 57 & 58; NO on Measure F (RECALL) in Humboldt county!

Vote no on these two gropenazi spending sprees! VOTE NO ON MEASURE F! They are trying to recall the District Attorney that won by a landslide in Humboldt county because he's had the nerve to take on the timber industry! NO ON F!!!! Paul Gallegos, the District Attorney must keep his job to save our environment. He was recently elected in a landslide victory! :grr: :grr: :grr:

I'm fed up! This whole thing makes me wanna :puke: :puke: :puke: !!!

:dem: :kick:

[InhaleToTheChief]

99. True that...

This attack on Gallegos seems to be just another example of how the right wing feels that it no longer needs to win elections to sieze power. SCOTUS, voting machines, celebrity candidates, recalls...why bother winning elections?

[Darth_Kitten]

45. So true........

Arnie finds sexual expression between two consenting adults offensive. :evilgrin: After all, sexual expression to him means asking young women to do things to his privates when his long-suffering wife's back is barely turned. :eyes: Mr. Family Values. :eyes:

Repulsive jerk. Ick. :puke:

[Darth_Kitten]

46. So true........

Arnie finds sexual expression between two consenting adults offensive. :evilgrin: After all, sexual expression to him means asking young women to do things to his privates when his long-suffering wife's back is barely turned. :eyes: Mr. Family Values. :eyes:

Repulsive jerk. Ick. :puke:

[CHIMO]

11. Does

The guy know what his authority is?
God, I think they must need a new Attorney General. Someone who knows what he is supposed to do.

Wonder if the boss knows what he is supposed to be doing? How long has he been there?

"directly undermines this fundamental guarantee,""

Life, Liberty and happiness, or something like that.

[Beetwasher]

12. How Does This Jibe w/ The Judge Who Just Refused the Stay?

Anyone know how the two events affect eachother?

[cindyw]

13. What's he going to do? Send the national guard in. The workers

giving out the licenses know that they are doing something that might be against the law. Will they stop? Will Arnold, my governator, tell them to use force? That will look real good on the news. Like Wallace in the school room door. Just try it Arnold. I dare you.

[diamond14]

19. bush* has got the entire National Guard over in Iraq...so arnold

doesn't really have that option....

bush* is an idiot...and maybe this whole thing will expose all these bigots and lead to their downfall...it's such an stupid fight to undertake at a time when the economy is tanking, people have NO jobs, and TWO wars are KILLING our troops, and costing $167 BILLION just in one year....

does anyone think that bush* did this on purpose?....just to distract people from the ongoing criminal acts of his whole cabal...

[Ron_B]

74. "What's he going to do? Send the national guard in. The workers"

No, he should issue a arrest warrant for the mayor of SF. Just like any person that breaks the law, they need to answer to the people.

[foreigncorrespondent]

84. Then someone needs to issue...

...an arrest warrant for that thing you call a preident, and his band of thugs ASAP, because, mate, they have broken more laws than you could count using all the digits on your hands.

[truthisfreedom]

14. yeah, ahh-nold? so the rule of law applies to gays in SF, but not to you

and your violation of campaign laws?

[Ron_B]

75. violation of campaign laws

one of our own guys broke the law in the recall, the LT. Gov (Cruz) violated campaign laws.

[mitchtv]

88. our guys?????? Newsom is our guy

I doubt it:mad: Besides Lockyer just called gropenator "Conan the barbarian of conservatives" and he doesn't take 'orders from ahnold

[saltpoint]

15. Der Gropenfuhrer will have his hands full --

-- if that's the phrase I want -- when he has to account for the long-term impact of the gay marriage spree in San Francisco. He won the goddam recall vote state wide by something like 55-45 (?) but lost in the Bay Area something like 80-20.

If anybody has the exact stats, I'd love to see 'em.

If the Governor of Texas can commit homosexual adultery, it seems to me that women and men can pledge to same-sex vows.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

51. HEY!

I've been hearing scuttlebutt about Rick "The Rat" Perry, too. Specifically scuttlebutt that his wife wants to divorce him for his sexual hijinx, both of the heterosexual and homosexual variety.

Is this even REMOTELY true?

Because, I hate to say it, but I would laugh so hard I would have to change my pants. A few times.

[saltpoint]

60. Hi, Moonbeam_Starlight. I've been following --

-- posts on blogs such as Daily Kos and Burnt Orange Report.

www.burntorangereport.com is out of Austin.

Evidently rumors down there are about the way you have them in your post. I don't know if it's true, but if it is, it would shut the Far Right up about gay marriages in a hurry.

One of the rumors is that Anita Perry's, the Gov's wife, has retained the services of Becky Beaver, a reputedly tough-souled divorce lawyer. Beaver's office would "neither confirm nor deny" that Anita Perry is a client.

I'm waiting to see what's next. If you follow it on Burnt Orange's blog site, you'll probably keep current on it.

It might be a huge story.

[LiberalFighter]

92. What I want to know is when a law firm refuses to...

deny or confirm that a person is a client... doesn't that mean that they are a client?

Wouldn't the appropriate statement to make be "'Person' has not retained our legal services" or "'Person' has not sought our legal services."

[jburton]

16. What a crock

Schwarzenegger, defender of Sanctity of Marriage.

:eyes:

[diamond14]

17. bush* is getting every state to fight every city with OUR money

what a waste of taxpayers money....I just hate it when ONE part of OUR government SUES another part of OUR government and uses OUR money to do it with...it's just so insane...

bush* has now got every part of OUR government paralyzed with lawsuits against every other part of OUR government....it's crazy...
read recently that one of asscrofts' offices in Detroit has brought a lawsuit against asscroft for 'total incompetence in the war on terror'....

all these different parts of OUR government fighting each other...it doesn't do anything for a team approach to meeting the needs of WE THE PEOPLE....it's just a incredible waste time and resources, and all the while, OUR various government agencies are totally BROKE..hemmoraging money everywhere...


what we need is a 'COMMON SENSE' Presidency....

vote for Kerry
http://www.johnkerry.com

[Journeyman]

18. I worried this issue would cloud the GE . . .

and it may yet, but irony of ironies, it may confound Herr Gropenfuehrer's campaign for selling the bond issue, if he finds himself caught up addressing this issue instead of pushing for mortgaging the future to pay for the past.

[meti57b]

20. ahnold schvantzenagger ... what a putz!

[boobooday]

21. Watch the right wing implode

Over this one.

Culture war -- they can't win. They make a lot of noise, but they are the minority. Most of us think government should stay out of people's bedrooms.

What is the Perry scandal that is brewing going to do to all this?

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[foreigncorrespondent]

22. Now, didn't the Attorney General of CA...

...swear to uphold that states constitution when he took office? Am I wrong? If I'm not wrong, then the Attorney General has to abide by San Francisco's wishes.

All this is, was the gropenator passing the buck to someone else.

[proud patriot]

23. Exactly

:thumbsup:

[Occulus]

25. Can you explain that a little better?

Maybe I'm just overly dense tonight, but I don't understand how taking an oath to uphold the state constitution affects this. Is there a provision in the CA Constitution defining marriage as a contract between two adults; ie a 'gender neutral' marriage clause?

I'm just curious as to where you're coming from. :)

[foreigncorrespondent]

29. It is the wording used...

...in the CA constitution in Article 1 (the Declaration of Rights):

Article 1 (DECLARATION OF RIGHTS)

-SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

-SEC. 7. (a) A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws; provided, that nothing contained herein or elsewhere in this Constitution imposes upon the State of California or any public entity, board, or official any obligations or responsibilities which exceed those imposed by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution...

--(b) A citizen or class of citizens may not be granted privileges or immunities not granted on the same terms to all citizens. Privileges or immunities granted by the Legislature may be altered or revoked.

Hope you understand where I am coming from now. :)

[Occulus]

42. OK. I understand now.

Thanks for the clarification :)

[saigon68]

72. kick

[yella_dawg]

62. Gee. That pretty much says it all...

A citizen or class of citizens may not be granted privileges or immunities not granted on the same terms to all citizens. Privileges or immunities granted by the Legislature may be altered or revoked.

[Clovis Sangrail]

30. It's relevant.

The California constitution states:
"A person may not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due
process of law or denied equal protection of the laws"

California also has a _law_ which says marriage is defined as between a man and a woman.

Obviously, the law is in conflict with the constitution, and the courts will have to work this out.

In the meantime:
The AG 'upholding' the state CONSTITUTION _should_ result in him condoning the mayor of SF's actions.

[Name removed]

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[foreigncorrespondent]

82. Ohhhhhhh!

I GET it! You are telling me that a public official who takes office, doesn't have to abide by the written rules in the constitution of the United States, or the constitution of the state they are holding office in?

BTW, if the people of San Francisco don't make the laws, then neither should the people who voted for prop 22 be making laws. Especially laws which discriminate against a group of people.

Go back and try again, mate.

Oh, and what is constructive and positive for the good ole US of A? A renegade pResident and his band of thugs creating wars on soveriegn nations for oil? I don't think so. Especially a president who went AWoL during war time.

[LiberalFighter]

93. Gee you must be an attorney...

or person of sufficient understanding of the constitution and the laws.

I doubt it!

[roguevalley]

24. rule of the law. sexually abusing women is against the law. what

a stupid meat head.

[Lindacooks]

97. Yep, typical Repuke

Always ranting and raving about the law, but it sure as hell doesn't apply to him. Self-centered asshole schmuck. I hate his effing guts.

[hunter]

26. We all knew there was a red-eyed robot under that skin...

Arnold's just following orders to terminate this rebellion.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

27. Over 70% of San Francisco didn't vote for Arnie, what does he care?

Meanwhile, what's he done so far as governor besides raise the deficit, insult needy people, and try to terminate gay marriages?

[CHIMO]

28. OK

Just join Vancouver.

[AndyTiedye]

31. Can you say RECALL? Time for Another

[LiberalFighter]

50. I'm all for dumbell doing what he is doing...

All the better to make it easier for his defeat.

[w4rma]

32. The Groper doesn't have the authority to order the AG around.

If I was the AG, I'd be insulted.

[TheWhitneyBrown]

68. The California AG appear to BE insulted.

On another thread, a post says he made some pretty funny remarks about the directive, to the effect that the governor can direct all he wants, he can direct the Terminator 4 for all he cares, but he can't direct the AG in such a manner. Sounded kinda pissed, really. Pretty funny

[Ron_B]

79. The Groper doesn't have the authority to order the AG around

Can you please back your statement up. Post the link for all of us to understand your conclusion.

[foreigncorrespondent]

85. Why don't you post links...

...to show us why you are disputing what w4rma says?

[mitchtv]

89. Ask bill Lockyer

he just said he was elected by the people of CA, not appointed. He cannot be fired by Gropenfuhrer. Apparently you and Arnold think differently- AG DOES NOT answer to the Governor's office. Kinda logical isn't it?

[LiberalFighter]

95. da Groper might be able to order you around

but not other elected officials. you probably would like to have da Groper to order you around. Groveling at his feet and kissing his boots.

[LiberalFighter]

94. Groper doesn't have the authority to terminate the AG???

Someone must had told him that he could... or da Groper must had had one of his Terminator flashbacks.

[Zhade]

33. I'd love to hug every progressive that voted for this man...

...right after I jab them in the eye with a sharp stick.

Gee, maybe it was a bad idea to believe the Rove-backed, Ken Lay-friendly, pro-Nazi sexual predator?

[mondo joe]

35. Can this be done? Separation of Powers?

If anyone canshed light on this I'd be appreciative.

Since this has already entered the judicial system, shouldn't it be resolved there?

Can the governor instruct the courts to do anything????

[Oilwellian]

38. That's what it boils down to

The separation of powers and who has the ultimate authority in this case. If I remember correctly, the republicans had no problem accepting the Supreme Court's decision to annoint Chimpy as being the ultimate authority. I wonder how they would have reacted if Clinton usurped their decision over the 2000 election.

[imax2268]

39. whatever ahhhhhhhhnold...

your bought and paid for...

[moondust]

40. Or else he'll blow up some buildings and smash some cars.

Maybe even crash a burning helicopter into the Golden Gate bridge at rush hour.

Beware the Gropenator!!

[Skittles]

41. Rule of law? Coming from a piece of garbage who gropes women for fun??

:puke:

[saltpoint]

44. Governor Schwartzenegger is such a --

-- hypocrite that it defies belief.

Some Republicans thought electing him would give Bush California in 04. I sort of doubt that.

I hope the Attorney General reminds the Governor that opposing gay marriages in San Francisco is akin to Axhandle Maddox barring black students from schools in the 1960s.

And I wonder why Governor Perry of Texas has been so reticent on this issue?

[Frangible]

49. The comments in this thread are illogical

First of all -- let me say I support full equal treatment of all people, including gay marriage. Let me also say I don't think Schwarzengegger was the best choice for governor.

But....

1. Can we please not call someone who disagrees with us a "Nazi"? It's as silly as the republicans calling us "commie pigs". Damn, how many times can we invoke Godwin's law in a single thread?

2. Arnold's stance on this issue is the same as most every democrat guys. I know, I know-- sad but true. A lot of democrats, especially the presidential candidates, do not share my view of fairness and equality for gays, and support civil unions instead.

However, to rip on Arnold for supporting civil unions and attacking him, while not the democratic candidates, is illogical and even hypocritical.

If the major democratic candidates don't support gay marriage, why would you expect a Republican governor to?

Let's settle the "problems at home" here before taking the fight for equality to the other party. How can we expect a republican to support something when most democrats don't?

[Dr Fate]

54. And he did it in his Hogan's Hero "Nazi Voice" too...

"I AM TO BE ORZERING YOU TO SHTOP IT!! SHTOP IT!!! SHTOP IT!!!!"

[WillyT]

56. Anybody Catch The Video Of Him Giving His Announcement ???

He reads his prepared statement, the says something like, "... and that's all I have to say.", and then stifles a smirky grin as he looks sheepishly at the reporters in the room.

My fucking god! He looked just like a kid who hasn't done his homework, called to the head of the class to answer a question he was unprepared for.

IOW - He looked JUST LIKE BUSH!!!

These are some dark days for democracy.

:bounce: GO SAN FRANCISCO!!!:bounce:

:kick::kick::kick:

[ParanoidPat]

57. Does anyone else have a problem with......

.....this line from the story?

"In a letter to Attorney General Bill Lockyer, Schwarzenegger directed the state's top lawyer "to take immediate steps" to get a definitive court ruling declaring the city's actions to be illegal."

Now I can understand Governor Gonad requesting a legal resolution to this situation however requesting a 'pre-defined' outcome to a legal decision seems to me to be somehow wrong. Is it just me? :shrug:

[WillyT]

58. No, It Ain't Just You !!!

And that line is VERY telling.

:grr::nuke::mad:

[saltpoint]

61. Nope -- not just you. I felt the same way.

I hope the Attorney General has a spine and tells GropeDude to seek legal action if he feels so strongly about it.

The trend on the issue does not favor the Far Right.

I think your post is right-on.

[Ron_B]

80. Does anyone else have a problem with

His statement is the same as yours, the deference is that Arnold has a LAW that states a marriage is between a MAN and a Woman. For now

Your login said it all....

Edit > Your changed to His

[knight_of_the_star]

59. What a fool

Take a look at this section:

Schwarzenegger's directive to the attorney general was prompted in part by a Superior Court judge's decision Friday not to impose a temporary restraining order on the city that would have halted the weeklong parade of 3,175 same-sex weddings.

At the state Republican Party convention Friday evening, Schwarzenegger personally announced the directive to a cheering crowd of activists.

"We rely on our courts to enforce the rule of law. But you see, in San Francisco, the courts are dropping the ball," Schwarzenegger said. "It's time for the city to stop traveling down this dangerous path of ignoring the rule of law. That's my message to San Francisco."


Sorry Arnold, but the courts interpret the law as THEY see it to need be done. To say that the courts are not upholding the rule of law by not ruling the way he wants to is total hypocracy to say the least.

[demgrrrll]

63. Supposedly in his early days of body building Arnold had

male "benefactors" who assisted him in getting his career
started. In the article linked below he calls gay men "fags".
Nice guy. Great choice, California.
The article was from the Houston voice but is no longer on line for links. you can google the houstonvoice + arnold if you want to read the whole thing.

[still_one]

64. I hope he order the attorney general to also

or a stop to his gropping

[ithacan]

65. but the law is unconstitutional....

so it's the legislators who acted illegally and disrespected the rule of law.

But I guess that's just too hard for Ahnuld to comprehend.

[Ron_B]

81. but the law is unconstitutional....

it may or may not be, the only way this will be resolved will be through the Fed Superior Court.

You and I are not going to change it, Law is Law Stop acting like you know something about it because you and I don't.

Lockup the Mayor of SF

[foreigncorrespondent]

87. If you have no idea if the law...

...is unconstitutional or not, then I suggest you go back and read my post # 29 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=376738#376947), I have given the actual wording from the CA constitution.

BTW! Lock up the pResident of the United States!

[mitchtv]

91. california Supreme Court

you are wrong again

[donco6]

98. What?

We know as much about it as most people. What are you saying?

[mitchtv]

100. Ron B should speak for himself

that much is obvious. Also obvious is , espousing locking up the mayor of SF is hardly a progressive position and more approriate to another well known site,initials FR

[donco6]

101. No kidding.

Something smells funny, that's fer sure.

[RMJ]

66. Hmm...This is interesting.

<snip

Lockyer, an elected Democrat who is a potential candidate in the 2006 governor's race, already has said that he plans to vigorously defend the state in the lawsuit San Francisco's city attorney brought Thursday that challenged California's marriage laws on constitutional grounds.

"By virtue of the city and county of San Francisco having sued the state of California, we need to respond to that lawsuit in the next 30 days," said Nathan Barankin, a spokesman for Lockyer said Friday. "It will be squarely before the courts."

snip>

"In the next 30 days."

Does that mean that Lockyer could wait 29 and 9/10 days to file with the court? IOW, do what the governor asks, but do it verrryyy slloooowwly?

[fortyfeetunder]

67. I just read the AG blew Ahnold off

Good for Lockyer.


"The governor can direct the Highway Patrol. He can direct the next 'Terminator 4' movie if he chooses. But he can't direct the attorney general in the way he's attempted to do," Lockyer said, adding that Schwarzenegger's written directive "was a statement designed for consumption at the Republican convention."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/02/22/SAMESEX.TMP

Spank 'im Mr. AG! :spank:

[Laughing Mirror]

69. San Francisco's actions to wed gay couples

"present an imminent risk to civil order," Terminator stated in his order to the Attorney General.

Well we know about "imminent risk" and danger, don't we?

I'm trying to imagine what kind of risk same-sex couples with a marriage license present to civil order. I just can't think of any.

[Robb]

71. No kidding.

"Now that we've got out license, let's riot!"

You know that's exactly how Mrs. Robb and I felt as we left the courthouse. :eyes:

[saigon68]

73. imminent risk Terminator stated

Evil idiot

[donco6]

83. Imminent risk my ass.

The only risk is going to occur when he gets a favorable ruling to forbid the marriages. What's he do then? Send in the National Guard? Will the city continue to defy the state?

[LiberalFighter]

96. Is that the same as "imminent threat" of WMD?

[Hailtothechimp]

76. Arnold doesn't have the political chops to end this.

We all know it, and he may even know it as well.

[plaguepuppy]

86. But has anyone considered

...that he might actually be an evil cyborg sent back from the future to destroy us all?

Not that he'll succeed of course - especially not with all those rioting newlyweds peeing in his grease fittings. Terrible threat to public (or is that pubic?) order, mutter mutter...

[TeeYiYi]

90. I'm SO sure of it . . .

"The City and County of San Francisco's unfortunate choice to disregard state law and grant marriage certificates to gay couples directly undermines this fundamental guarantee," Schwarzenegger wrote."

Who really believes that the governator wrote that? NOT. He may have signed it . . . :eyes:

TYY

[JoFerret]

102. The BIG question is Gov Perry of Texas

What will Perry do if his alleged affair with Geoff Conner is shown to be true? And who would care if it were not for the hypocrisy factor?