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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:21 PM
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Conservative exile leaders unveil plan for post-Castro Cuba
Posted on Fri, Feb. 20, 2004

Conservative exile leaders unveil plan for post-Castro Cuba

BY OSCAR CORRAL

ocorral@herald.com


Hoping to prod the Bush administration in the right direction, top conservative Cuban exile leaders unveiled Friday the most comprehensive plan to date of how to proceed with a transition to Democracy and free markets in a post-Castro Cuba.

The sweeping proposal is a clear indication of the vision powerful exile leaders have for the island that they fled from years ago. It addresses everything from property rights to wages to political parties.

The plan calls for the privatization of ''joint ventures'' between the government and foreign investors, endorses the right of urban property dwellers in Cuba to remain in their homes, as long as old private owners are properly compensated, and suggests that social classes be officially reintroduced with defined roles and rights.

The plan is also a clear rejection of dissident Osvaldo Paya's Proyecto Varela, a referendum singed by tens of thousands of Cubans to effect change on the island by working within the communist constitution.

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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/breaking_news/8001417.htm

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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:27 PM
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1. And open some whore houses
and gambling casinos and a friendly place to hide more corporate monies. Just like Batista wants it. Hahahahaha!

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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:34 PM
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2. You said whore houses?
Shit, I'm there. I just have to call Neil and Jeb. Maybe even Poppy will want to go once they've established that paradise. I can't forget Bob Barr, Newt and the rest of the crew.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:36 PM
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3. As someone who has worked with a Cuban joint-venture...
I would welcome the privatization of joint ventures.

The Varela Project (for which dozens were arrested and sent to long prison terms) is like Solidarity movement in Poland in the early 80's. In Poland they talked of reforming the communist system, rather than overthrowing it. It was only after further advances in union power, and Gorbachev's reluctance to send armies, that Solidarity moved, in effect, for the overthrow of the government.

I think the Varela Project will ultimately be seen as the beginning of the end of Castro's dictatorship.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:40 PM
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4. as long as they're compensated....
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 02:42 PM by higher class
Some of these people haven't even been able to replace a door on their house.

So we will now have a new class of exiles from Cuba, but they won't be welcome in the U.S. because the Republicans are not going to assist them and the Democrats are beholden to the Republican Cuban-American Assns for their payola.

So, will the new exiles of Cuba seek refuge in Haiti or Jamaica or the Dominican Republic or Mexico or Honduras or Belize?

And will it happen before the hurricane season?

We knew it was coming...why don't humans evolve?
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:43 PM
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5. And Also To Make Sure This Plan Is Implemented...
And to make sure that this right-wing plan is implemented, I'm sure that the right-wing exiles would want a clause inserted in a new Cuban constitution denying the electoral franchise to any Cuban who has voted in a Cuban election between 1959 and the present day. Otherwise their little scheme couldn't help but tank when put to Cuban voters in a fair election.

Clearly these right-wingers learned nothing when the Berlin Wall came down and the Warsaw Pact collapsed; the Eastern European nations who ended their Communist regimes' economic and political structures had better sense than to adopt such a reactionary agenda. I suspect that the only way the Jorge plan could be implemented in a post-Castro Cuba is at gunpoint with a large US occupying army with troops in place from one end of the island to the other.

It's going to be fun to watch these right-wing exiles get a long-overdue reality check in the coming years. The ratio of Cuban social democratic to pseudo-Republican voters is at least ten to one, and in a truly open and fair election would be even higher.



:P :eyes: :dunce: :nopity:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:00 PM
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6. Good points.
They'll learn they aren't NEARLY as popular as they had hoped.

Cuba has moved on.


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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:06 PM
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7. Does the U.S. military have the spare capacity
to help out this latest bunch of Chalabis? Note to "conservative exile leaders" - make sure to dream up some pretend weapons of mass destruction in Cuba first. Then it will be smooth sailing. You can pin the blame on some sad-sack intelligence agency later. See Richard Perle for details.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:09 PM
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8. Haven't you heard?
One of the principal Cuban exiles involved is named Ricardo Perla. Coincidence? I think not.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:15 PM
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9. Wow! Ricardo Perla!



Desi Arnaz: 'scaped when 'scaping wasn't cool.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:26 PM
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10. Small world, huh?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:48 PM
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11. It's uncanny......
photos of the older Ricardos:

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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:06 PM
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12. WTF is this????
"...suggests that social classes be officially reintroduced with defined roles and rights."

What are these troglodytes advocating??? An hereditary nobility lording it over a bunch of serfs and villeins???

They're FUCKING NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hm... well, maybe they're just taking their cue from the BFEE.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Osolomia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:35 PM
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13. Meanwhile, "aren't we all yahoos?"

The Grammy's Most Revealing Moment

by Larry Blumenfeld, Special to SF Gate
Friday, February 20, 2004

... Jackson and her much-discussed body part wasn't the only notable absence. When guitarist Ry Cooder accepted his award for best pop instrumental album, he did so alone -- despite the fact that he was honored for his collaboration with Cuban guitarist Manuel Galban. Cuban singer Ibrahim Ferrer, who won for best traditional tropical album, was likewise not present. In fact, all five nominees in that category, including lute player Barbarito Torres and percussionist Amadito Valdes, were back in Cuba. As Cooder commented backstage, some 45 Cuban musicians who had planned to attend the Grammy Awards had their visa applications rejected.

... For those who stay abreast of such matters, this latest travel blockade was one of a series of such occurrences connected to Grammy events. In 2001, the Latin Grammys -- a Recording Academy event affiliated with the larger national show -- was to have been held in Miami. Owing to conflict stirred by the protests of a powerful anti-Castro Cuban community there, the show was moved to Los Angeles. That ceremony never took place; it had been scheduled for Sept. 11. The Cuban musicians who had traveled to the United States instead spent that day giving blood and performing benefit concerts for terrorism victims. But Cuba-based musicians were denied entry for the Latin Grammys in 2002 and 2003, as well as for this year's national show.

... As Bill Martinez, a San Francisco-based attorney who worked on this year's Grammy-related visa applications puts it, "This was an affirmative act, clearly meant to send a message. It was not just a matter of the typical delays that often sink a visa application. It was an out-and-out denial, stemming not from the Treasury Department but from other agencies and individuals in the executive branch." He's referring to the invocation of Section 212F of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Law, which states that the president can deny entry to any foreigners deemed "detrimental to the interests of the United States." According to a U.S. State Department spokesman, "The proceeds from the work of these artists are considered enrichment for a Communist dictatorship."

... Fernandez wrote that, in the light of all this, our government and the Miami Cuban exile community "look like yahoos." Granted, the issues surrounding U.S. policy toward Cuba are complex. But since our post-Grammy coverage focused solely on a breast-baring publicity stunt and ignored the body politic, aren't we all yahoos?

More...
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/02/20/cubangrammy.DTL
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