Discussion of Bush's Abortion of K Lowman dropped by AU'sSundayTimes, but

[papau]

continues to be carried by UK's Mirror, and AU's Herald Sun.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13961727_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-ABORTION-CLAIM-HITS-PRESIDENT-name_page.html

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,8722518%255E663,00.html

Bush abortion smear as mud flies

Phillip Coorey19feb04

PRESIDENT Bush faced an extraordinary claim last night that he once paid for a girlfriend's abortion.<snip>


Bush Abortion/new Flint Book in media in Aus(SundayTimes)&UK(Daily Mirror)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13961727_method=... ABORTION CLAIM HITS PRESIDENT Feb 18 2004 By Mark Ellis, Foreign Editor

PORNOGRAPHER Larry Flynt says he has "nailed down" his claims George Bush, a pro-life campaigner, arranged for a girlfriend to have an abortion in the 1970s.Flynt, 61, a failed California governor candidate said: "I've talked to the woman's friends. I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, and the Bush people who arranged for the it. I've got the story nailed."He said he would publish his claims in a book at the height of the election season.<snip>Kerry, 60, has survived two failed smear attempts. Last night he launched a scathing attack on Bush's treatment of September 11 emergency workers. "I'm tired of these politicians who show up when the bagpipes are wailing. And then go back to Washington and forget," he said.

http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,8722518%25
(This has been scrubbed from the web site as of Noon EST 2/19)
... Bush abortion smear as mud fliesPhillip Coorey 19feb04

PRESIDENT Bush faced an extraordinary claim last night that he once paid for a girlfriend's abortion.<snip>While Mr Bush and Senator Kerry have so far steered clear of personal attacks, their unofficial supporters are stooping deep into the gutter. <snip>Now paralyzed porn king Larry Flynt is preparing to publish equally dubious claims that the pro-life Mr Bush once made a girlfriend have an abortion. <snip>Now Flynt, whose last political foray was a ham fisted run for Californian governor, plans to publish the abortion as fact in an upcoming book. "I got the story nailed," he said. "I've talked to the woman's friends, I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush people who arranged for the abortion." The trouble for Senator Kerry is the Republicans, who have their backs to the wall at the moment, seize on such material as sanctioned mud-slinging by the Kerry camp. <snip>

And an old web reference from 2000

http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/elec22.htm
STORY ON BUSH ABORTION LOOKS FOR LEGS -- OFF MAINLINE MEDIA RADAR, BUT CHOICE ISSUE COULD BE HOT AS ELECTION NEARS (from 2000 election)

[stepnw1f]

1. I have one issue with this

While the article labels this story as a smear, this story is another eye-opener of a man's lack of honesty and integrity. The message is mired as reactionary tit-for-tat to Drudge, before it even gains momentum. Maybe that was the plan from the beginning from Matt.

[smiley_glad_hands]

2. Maybe its bound to make it over here into the Mainstream?

[Cooley Hurd]

3. The only problem I have with this...

...is that the abortion and AWOL issues are both over 30 years old. And with both, all Chimpy has to do is say, "youthful indiscretion - I found God and a good woman, I'm a changed man, blah blah," and make either problem go away (he's done it before - especially to answer the cocaine use questions in 2000). At best, it's a flimsy flank attack.

However, we have literally TONS of recent examples to illustrate his lack of fitness to be president. We should be focusing more on that, than what happened 30 years ago.

Of course, gossip CAN be fun, especially when it involves Repug hypocrites!:D

[0007]

7. ...I don't think time has anything to do with it alg0912

The attempt to hide these fact and cover 'em up is telling enough about the man's character. How long had junior known Ken Lay? Why won't junior turn over his Harken dealings, when he told the nation he had nothing to hide.

I have no problem exposing a lying pimping thug that attempts to pass himself off as a visionary, and the leader of this country. Anything less would be shameful. Nothing flimsy about 540 soldiers dying.

[Cooley Hurd]

8. I agree - there's a pattern of behavior that stretches...

...his entire life. But, out of everything we have to work with, things that occurred 30 years ago are the weakest. I agree 100% that we should talk about Harken, and Kenny-Boy, and the AWOL file cleansing that Lt Col Burkett said he was privy to in 1997. We should really focus on more recent instances of his scumbaggedness.

Hmm, scumbaggedness isn't really a word, isn't it?;)

[LiberalFighter]

17. At the same time demonstrate that he has not changed for the better.

They may not commit the same type of crime as they did early on. But through time they develop a network and gain expertise in other types of crimes that may be more violent or involve a higher level of technique.

[0007]

22. Logically your sensibility rules over the aversion I have toward

this man. All I'm saying at this point let it be known for the world to know the counterfeit authenticity that junior brings us as a leader.

Let me buy you a drink - :toast:

[Pale_Rider]

4. Love this photo of our Dear Leader ...

... from the Herald Sun article ... caption this ...

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,322194,00.jpg
Say what?: Bush denies the allegations

[kutastha]

5. ugh

Nice lipstick George.

[Pale_Rider]

12. Is he man or beast?

[Silverhair]

6. What about the woman's right to privacy?

And aren't medical records supposed to be confidential? Do we need this kind of mud slinging coming from us? When you try to sling mud, you are always going to get your own hands pretty dirty.

And calling Larry Flynt a failed candidate for governor? He was about as serious a candidate as Gary Coleman was.

[9215]

9. I bow to your wisdom

"When you try to sling mud, you are always going to get your own hands pretty dirty."

Brilliant little metaphor! :eyes:



I guess we should apply the privacy standards to Skilling, Lay, Bush himself and everybody else.

[demdave]

10. What privacy, release her name and park the TV trucks in the front yard

Then if we are lucky we might be able to get an exclusive interview with her current family, or even children :bounce:, and ask them if they knew their wife/mother had had an abortion when she was young. Who knows, maybe it will cause such a stir that her current marriage could break up and we could blame Bush for that also.

I mean, it really doesn't matter what kind of harm we could possibly do to this woman's family and life by bringing up facts from her past, right? I figure she has it coming just for having slept with Bush.:puke:

Go get her Larry. <sarcasm>


BTW, in reply to this exact post on a similar thread, I got a reply with her married and maiden name and a link.

I guess basic privacy rights take a backseat to some peoples political agendas.

[mistertrickster]

11. She deserves the same right to privacy that Clinton and Monica got.

Am I saying two wrongs make a right?

Yes, when you're dealing with someone as evil as Bush, sometimes an innocent person may have to suffer some emotional pain so that an entire country can be freed from tyrrany.

[demdave]

13. BURN HER, BURN HER!!!!!

It suits our purpose. Rights be damned!! We can be as ignorant and misdirected as the next man and WE WILL PROVE IT! Shoot the innocent if they get in our way because we fight for what's right and for the rights of al....er....some. Yeah, that's it ...the rights of some, when convenient.

Quick, everone get behind our moral compass, Larry Flynt.

P.S. I refuse to even label this sarcasm anymore.

[SOS]

16. Flynt has had this story for years

Now why do you think he hasn't published it?
Because the woman does not wish to come forward.
Without her permission, Flynt will not identify her. (Unlike Drudge).
He would be sued out of existence and he knows that.
There is no way Flynt will name her without permission.
Flynt seems to have higher standards than people like Drudge and Scaife.

[Zhade]

14. Um...are you endorsing the idea of "collateral damage"?

See, that's not a progressive stance.

I pretty much almost never agree with "Dem"Dave, but I do here. I'm stunned that some think it's okay to drag an innocent woman through the mud for something that may have happened 30+ years ago, which could backfire, and which requires violating the principle of the right to privacy, which so many of us (yourself included, I'm certain) have defended over the years.

b*sh is giving us all the rope we need to electorally hang his treasonous ass. Let's try to keep our ethics intact while we bring him down, or else we're not much better than the freepers and rightwing nutjobs of the world.

[mistertrickster]

15. That's why Dems got their asses kicked in the last two elections.

"We aren't going to stoop to their level." Well great, how do we like losing? Because we better get used to it.

Besides, the woman can write a big tell all book and make a million dollars . . . it's the American way.

And lastly, her identity need not be revealed for the story to go forward--what we're talking about here is not abortion and who got one, which should have always been her or anyone's right, we're talking about BUSH HYPOCRISY (do as I say, not as I do)and his rightwing fundamentalist base that sees him as more MORAL than the Democrats.

[demdave]

18. What world are you living in?

You think this story will last 2 minutes before every detail of her life is exposed? I already had a reply with her married and maiden name and a link. People are more than willing to throw her and her family to the wolves.


We are not talking about BUSH HYPOCRISY (do as I say, not as I do), we are talking about our hypocrisy. Either you believe in the right to privacy, especially the right to medical privacy, or you don't. This is not something you can waver on when it is in your political favor.....that IS hypocrisy!

Interesting how quickly you are willing to sacrifice her "emotional pain" after admitting she is an innocent in this matter. Who or what will you be willing to sacrifice next for your short term political agenda? Maybe you can interview her children about their mother's previously unknown abortion. That should be a real heartstring puller.

[0007]

23. Deleted for morality

[TankLV]

26. Wow! Demdave and Silverhair are for letting another good example

highlighting bunkerboy's hypocrisy and lies go unchallenged or get buried.

I am shocked!

Didn't take long, did it?!

Can you guys ever offer anything other than a losing strategy?

With all your "advice" over the past few months, we might as well put on our jammies, sit on our hands, and just send the repukes love notes.

Oh, and sit home instead of vote, because our great, war time pretzledent surely deserves re-"election"!

If we don't give back everything they dish out, and more, we WILL lose.

If that's the rules they are playing by, we had better play better than them and play to win.

Nothing less.

[demdave]

27. We will lose crying about things that MIGHT have happen 30 yrs ago

AWOL and a pregnant girl? Is that what we are about? How about job loss or an economy going into the tank? These are topics that resonate.

As for sitting at home and not voting, get real. Find someone who is more ardent about everyone voting than I and I will shake their hand.

But you go right ahead and keep screaming about AWOL and invade some woman's private life and medical records. I am sure that you will be comfortable wallowing in the mud trying to get traction on those "issues".

Oh, remember, when the insignificant issues let you down and drain the real resource, time, then you can always cry in your beer the day after the election and complain about the voting machines being fixed.

[Mushroom]

19. I'm with you Silverhair

As for Larry Flynt, what's that saying, something about sleeping with dogs and waking up with fleas?

[9215]

20. What about the imperative to prosecute rapists?

Those supercede privacy rights.Is it better to allow a rapist to run free so that a victim can maintain their privacy?

[Robb]

21. Ooh, weird area.

It's like the devil saying "If you strangle this puppy, Bush is out of the WH on Friday."

Do you strangle the puppy? Maybe. :shrug:

[9215]

24. No, seriously. What is the normal process for prosecuting

a rapist? If Flynt's story is true it is alot more than just a titillating story; it is crime.

[demdave]

25. It is a difficult question. It differs from state to state.

Most of the states have statute of limitations for most sexual offenses, other than rape. http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/sexual_assault_statutes.pdf
I haven't heard any claim that the woman was forcibly raped. If you are saying that she was underage then that would fall in the sexual assault area for most states. In this area there is usually a statute of limitations unless it is an aggravated assault, that is with the use of force,coercion or a weapon. (as an aside...I would consider this rape also)

So all in all, I wouldn't think this would be actionable in most states. Do you know what state it was to have occurred?