Dean's Campaign Chairman Departs

[MoonAndSun]

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At an appearance here on the eve of the Wisconsin primary, Dean said Grossman was no longer with his campaign. "I absolutely don't feel betrayed by Grossman. I consider him to be a friend," Dean said, without elaborating.


A defiant Dean had said earlier that he would remain in the race despite a zero-for-16 record in the presidential primaries and caucuses.








Let Grossman go and continue working for Kerry, I suspect but have no proof that he signed on with Dean to help Kerry.

[liberalhistorian]

1. Unfortunately, I think it will be only a matter

of time, say a few days, before Dean finally gives up and throws in the towel. I don't see how it could be otherwise. Even if he wins WI, which is very doubtful at this point, it won't be enough to overtake Kerry's lead.

It's too bad, he had such energy and hope. And, while I haven't yet made up my mind on a candidate, I had hoped to have more of a choice for my own primary on March 2.

[Fenris]

2. I agree

It is unfortunate that the nomination has already been decided, but if he loses WI and more people jump ship, he'll have to exit the race or run the risk of looking very desperate and delusional. Which, like I said, is unfortunate, given that the whole idea of primaries is to rack up delegates to send to the nominating convention. Those things have turned into pointless rallies, as the race is over months in advance.

[sallyseven]

3. Dean had a message to get out

and he has done it. I admire him for his tenacity. I will vote for Kerry however because I like him best. I want bush our of the white house. I want his gang of thugs out also.

[Just Me]

28. Howard, You Are the Galvanizer!!! Charge Forward - Win/Lose/Draw!!!

You stay in ALL THE WAY!!!

Dean is the "strength"!!!

He must go forward!!!

[buckeye1]

4. Ita timme for HBDIII to quit.

What a loser.

[buckeye1]

5. Its time for HBDIII to quit.

What a loser.

[MrsMatt]

12. Wow, you were so

impressed with your two cents, you had to post it twice.

I think calling anyone a "loser" is demeaning and immature.

[JNelson6563]

22. this is the stuff of GD04

Why don't you jsut scurry on back down there, eh? Buh-bye now.

[Le Taz Hot]

23. (Sigh)

LBN was the last forum I could stomach to read on DU. I see that's now been ruined as well.

[aquart]

6. What Grossman did was despicable.

Why would anyone hire him after this?

[Rowdyboy]

7. Grossman forever demeaned himself

What a cheap ass punk

[jsw_81]

8. No, Grossman's decision was perfectly reasonable

When a candidate loses sixteen contests in a row and runs out of money, it's expected that some of the campaign leadership will start to jump ship.

The only one demeaning himself is Howard Dean; his campaign is rapidly becoming a joke at this point. If he cares about his future political viability, he'll leave the race as soon as possible after Wisconsin.

[hippiechick]

9. When a campaign loses 16 in a row and runs out of money...

it's time to FIRE the 'leadership' or at least ask it WTF it has been doing for the candidate it's supposed to be spearheading ....

it's not Dean's fault that the so-called 'experts' pissed away the money and guesstimated the wrong strategy.

Dean's job was to campaign and get his message out. he's done that, more than well enough. how the back-office was -or was not - run, falls directly on the shoulders of the campaign managers.


:hippie:

[diplomats]

10. Blame the leadership?

The candidate hired these people. We always blame Bush for not being accountable. How about Dean? These excuses are growing old.

[jamesinca]

17. And that is why changes are being made

He knows there have been mistakes and he is trying to fix them.

[Ramsey]

14. Classy Kerry supporters abound

Dean is a loser? Dean is demeaning himself? Wow, did you say that about Kerry when he fired his campaign manager in November?

Dean has the second most delegates to Kerry, more than Edwards (Kerry: 577; Dean: 188; Edwards: 166), so why shouldn't Edwards quit, why isn't he a loser?

Dean has raised more money overall than Kerry and more than Edwards since the beginning of this year. Since January 1, 2004, Kerry has raised $7 million, Dean $5 million and Edwards $3 million. So again, why shouldn't Dean stay in for the inevitable two-man race and Edwards quit? I am not advocating that Edwards quit personally, I don't mind seeing both he and Dean stay in a while longer. I agree with Edwards and Dean that this is an election, not a coronation.

I am just curious as to how on earth Dean can be perceived as a "loser", a "joke" and as demeaning himself. He was for a brief time the unexpected front runner, because he had a bold message that fired up the Democrats and those who are fed up with politics as usual. You Kerry supporters better hope those people don't fade into the woodwork again, you're going to need them.

[jsw_81]

16. Edwards has actually won a primary; Dean has not

Dean has lost SIXTEEN in a row. Edwards took South Carolina and came within a few hundred votes of taking Oklahoma. That's why Edwards remains a credible candidate at this point.

And you really shouldn't brag about how much money Dean has raised. It only makes his 0-16 record look even worse.

[Ramsey]

30. Vermont hasn't voted yet

Neither have 75% of the delegates been awarded.

[Voltaire99]

20. You're right

Alientating Dean supporters is an unwise move for a party establishment that is getting ready to run a status quo candidate.

If the election becomes close - as it almost surely will - then the Dems will desperately need the reform vote. Dean can hardly be expected to happily deliver it after his savaging, and Dean's supporters may not feel like playing along, either.

[He loved Big Brother]

26. And Dean's record is nothing to be disdainful of

I agree. People calling for Dean to drop out don't seem to be doing the same for Edwards, despite the facts you stated regarding said candidate's support. Edwards won his home state. Well golly, who saw that one coming? And it's the only victory the media paid attention to that day. Edwards won his home state, Edwards won his home state...like it was some big surprise. And?

I don't care what people say, it is far too early to firmly decide that Kerry (or any other candidate) is absolutely 100% deserving of being the Democratic nominee.

[jamesinca]

18. Money

John Kerry is $2.2million in debt right now. Dean has 9 million on hand ( candidate financial profiles on the CNN home page). As far as the joke goes, he is the one that is against NAFTA, IWR, Bush tax cuts, Leave no child behind. Kerry supports these issues. The difference between Kerry and Bush is Kerry is taller by I believe 3 inches. Kerry has supported Bush 70% of the time on votes. He supports Bush measures then says that is not the proposition that he voted for, or he liked the side issues that come with it. John Kerry is a 6'4" Bush republican from MA when it comes to voting. If he would take the time to read and understand the issue and not the side bar crap, if he would have studied the IWR and not taken it so lightly maybe we would not be there now.

Vote your issues. Mine is the IWR. Mine is the environment. I watched an 18 y.o. die from an asthma attack, she was the person who should have been class valedictorian this spring. I watched a 3 y.o. give grandma her teddy bear to make her feel better. Grandma has inoperable metastatic cancer that they think has been caused by the ground water out here in this part of CA. I am tired of watching people die from the polluted stuff we live in. I am tired of the politicians that won't do anything about it. I am tired of the politicians that are to busy to do their job. The late Sen. Paul Wellstone said in his book that he was appalled by the special interest and the hold that they have on congress. We do not have health coverage in the U.S. because of special interest and senators that vote the campaign money, not the interest of the people. John Kerry is one of those senators he referred to. The only two people in this race that are in it for the people and not the corporate money are Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich. Corporate America can buy a lot of love and that is why John Kerry is winning, he has been bought and he will vote their issues not ours. Just like he did on health care, he voted for corporate America. So the next time a three year old has to give up their teddy bear to a dying grand mother I will gladly send John Kerry a thank you note.

[Oreegone]

11. Hey Hello Reality here

The reality is Howard Dean is the only candidate that even comes close to having any delegates......what if Kerry has a scream moment....or an intern.....the convention is still months away and only 25% of the delegates are committed...

[Tansy_Gold]

13. Yes, but most of those 25% are committed to Sen. Kerry

Super-delegates are not bound the way primary-won delegates are.

I think the reality that needs to be faced is how many delegates are committed to Gov. Dean as a result of his primary/caucus performances and how many are committed to Sen. Kerry as a result of his?

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

15. Dean Bashers

suck

[BuelahWitch]

19. I Agree

:hi:

[RememberWellstone]

24. Don't give up!

Never give up..never give in! Dean is in for a reason. His message has/is resonating. This is why I will support him until the end..noone gave him a chance 12 months ago. He is still my candidate until it's over.

[newyawker99]

25. Hi RememberWellstone!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[RememberWellstone]

27. Thank you.

I have been gone for over a year (out of the country)..got back just in time for the fireworks and dawning of a new Democrat POTUS and Congress. I am ready for winning!

[Guaranteed]

21. Later, asshole. nt

[Ripley]

29. How would Kerry have a leg, if not for Dean?

Dean brought thousands of Americans up and out to the party...Kerry better not disappoint.

We need opposition, not soft-core wishy-washy.

Beat Bush or else folks.