John Kerry girl tells all

[karnac]

From BRIAN FLYNN
in New York
THE beauty said to have had a fling with presidential hopeful John Kerry has recorded a bombshell tell-all interview.

Journalist Alex Polier taped a talk with a US TV network at Christmas.

The former Washington intern, 27, told all about an alleged fling with the 60-year-old super-rich senator in spring 2001.
<snip>

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004072203,00.html

This doesn't mean anything till it hits the states. UK is a rumor mill. But usually right.

Karnac

[Sagan]

1. the line about no one believing her shows this whole thing is a farce

The press would LEAP to believe someone with this kind of story.

[knight_of_the_star]

2. Uh oh

I hope that this is wrong.

[Sticky]

3. This sentence:

"The channel is sitting on the tape until it has enough evidence to back her story. If the sex claims are true, they would shatter his White House hopes. Kerry, a married dad of two, has denied the fling. But Alex told pals she fled to Kenya on his suggestion."

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I hope to God this isn't true!

[still_one]

10. If it is true it is better if it comes out now

however if it isn't true, I wish she would come out, and set the record straight.

[Atlant]

130. But he hasn't quite got the nomination yet.

That's probably what "The Powers That Be" are waiting for.

Atlant

[aquart]

39. So the Sun hasn't seen the tape? Only heard of it from a TV source?

They would have seen the tape if it was Fox network. Who would show scruples? ABC? CBS?

[ithacan]

4. taped at Christmas?

sitting on it until enough evidence?

This whole thing is sounding very smearish and Rovian...

I think the story about Perry in bed with another guy is MUCH more interesting anyway.

[lancdem]

15. Why would they do an interview

and then hold it until more evidence shows up? Wouldn't they get the evidence and then do the interview? BTW, the Sun is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

[MrPrax]

26. Maybe ...

because Kerry wasn't the frontrunner at Christmas?

Now he is...?

So he had an affair...big deal
(I assume most tall, hunky rich guys have affairs..don't you?)

[LosinIt]

125. Hunky?

perhaps in a Herman Munster way. Eeeewwwwwww!!!

[MrPrax]

144. Well...

I don't see it, but I am from Canada...and he's tall, got broad shoulder's and plays hockey!!...so that (and the speedboat, ski lodge, the AMEX Centurian card) would get him much more attention than say...well...nevermind

Heh...herman munster (now you mention it)

[aquart]

35. She fled to Kenya before or after taping the interview?

She left the country at his suggestion but wants to tell the world she effed a married presidential candidate? And she's engaged?

I'm so old school. If you eff a married man, it's polite not to talk about it, because the wife is not your enemy and, hopefully, neither is the guy who was nice enough to have sex with you.

This is just rude.

[revree]

5. Isn't THE SUN a UK tabloid?

wonder how much Rove paid her to go along with HIS story...

[daveskilt]

22. the sun has more boobs than a superbowl halftime

home of the page three girl...not just any tabloid...rupert murdochs soft porn far right wing for the British 5th generation welfare class tabloid.

[sushi]

85. Yes, it is.

A Rupert Murdoch paper, well-known for its bikini-clad girls on page 3. I read somewhere that his mother was surprised he bought this not highly-rated paper, and his answer was that it is what the masses want, and he's right. It's making a lot of money.

[DODI]

6. Who owns the Sun?

[Pale Blue Dot]

8. Didn't I read last night that Perle sits on the Board of Directors?

nt

[mitchtv]

36. Henry Kissinger ,too

.

[DoYouEverWonder]

124. Wrong paper

Perle and Kissinger are part of Hollinger Int'l which owns the Telegraph, the Chicago Sun and the Jerusalem Post.

[karnac]

9. Murdock

I am sure of it.

Like I said, it has to come to the states, and for that tape to be aired to be believable.

But it isn't looking good folks.

Karnac

[aquart]

41. Karnac, it's already in the states, but not aired.

The story says she made the tape for an American network, right?

Which has been trying to corroborate it for over a month?

BTW, welcome to DU.

It's always good to have someone giving us first crack at the latest slime.

[loudnclear]

68. Exactly why Dean and Edwards should not quit the race!!!

People who were supporting Kerry will support either one of them.
ABB!!!

[54anickel]

140. Maybe that's why they are being pressured? Once they are out,

Kerry is the nominee. That might answer the question above asking why now, you'd think they'd wait until he was nominated.

If you believe in the "grey suits", perhaps this broke earlier than they wanted. Hard to control rumors once you start them.

[still_one]

11. Mrudock owns the Sun

What do you expect

[DODI]

14. That's pretty much what I expected.

[Taeger]

45. The Sun Times too

Is every paper with a sun in it owned by Murdock. Is that some weird Jesus symbolism for him :shrug:

[Carni]

7. WTF?

"The former Washington intern"

I am confused- what do they mean by the above? I thought she worked for the AP. Since when do political interns jump into journalism?

[karnac]

12. Allegedly in 2001

she was still a grad student at Columbia. I've read her writing. very good but mostly fluff. with an assignment in Kosovo.

Karnac

[still_one]

16. If she comes out and says it isn't true

the republicans are screwed!

[aquart]

43. You've read her writing?

At Columbia? Is this someone you know?

Any chance you're the "friend" who keeps pushing this story?

[karnac]

54. Not I said the butterfly

But if you do a search on google for Alexandra Polier instead of just Alex, you will come up with just as much writing as I did. Weddings, shoes, Teens, And of course Kosovo.

Karnac

[0007]

86. Hey perhaps you can tell us if she's in to writing love novels?

[movonne]

13. Yes....this is much worse than dimwit going AWOL or going

to war on a lie. I think we ought to get a grip and see how it plays out. I would of thought this would have been taken care of before his run for president.

[JoFerret]

17. And if they are not true

there is nothing to worry about

[DODI]

18. Clinton survived it -- Jennifer Flowers, etc. Hope for the best.

Please don't take this to mean that I believe any of this or care about it.

[still_one]

21. Kerry only said it was not true

For that reason alone it better not be

If she comes out and denies it the republicans are screwed!!!

[Piperay]

122. Arnold the Groper survived worse

than that and went on to become Governor here in CA. Of course the groper is a repuke and they can get away with that kind of thing while Democrats are held to a higher standard. :argh:

[Screaming Lord Byron]

19. I'll believe it when I see it. I can't see a network sitting on it for

two months. And I wouldn't call the Sun usually right. You may want to get rid of John Kerry, but be careful about who you pick as allies. The Sun is the worst den of scum and villainy out there in Tabloidland. They have been wrong before. Just ask Elton John.

[loyalsister]

126. Can't see a network sitting on it?

Not even if there was an ulterior motive in the mix? If this story does happen to be true, don't you think we would be in much better shape as far as candidate selection if it had come out before the Feb. 3 Primaries? Don't you think even if it truly isn't some Puke might think so?

[Screaming Lord Byron]

136. The other side of the argument is this.

Your network has the story. You don't know what the other guys have got. Every day that goes by increases the chance of someone else scooping you. Would you sit on it?

[bluestateguy]

20. Busy weekend over at Karl Rove's workshop!

First they "produce" the people who claim to have served with Shrub, now this.

[markses]

23. Have some posters on this board taken leave of their senses?

Have they failed to notice the complete lack of journalistic integrity exhibited by the mainstream media over the last few years?

And yet we are to believe that young Ms. Polier is cooperating with the press on these allegations - and that the press will not go forward without independent confirmation (!!!) - and yet all the Sun has to show for it is a high school yearbook picture? The Sun, a right wing tabloid in Britain!

Remember now, this is the US press corps, supposedly sitting on a sex affair allegation by one of the parties involved, relating to the obvious front-runner for the Democratic nomination as President. They're "waiting for corroboration," we're told! That's simply absurd. Absurd.

[daveskilt]

29. for those with NO journalistic integrity

it is better to wait for corroboration....if that means waiting to break the story on the actual nominee...much bigger story...then they get 4 more years of scottie mac feeding them juicy lies instead of the more mundane truth.

[Taeger]

33. The accusation ...

The press went gaga over Jennifer Flowers. It turns out she was a serial liar. There was ZERO independent confirmation, only an accusation and a person willing to go on the record. The Arkansas Project (Troopergate (also a fraud)) came much later.

If they have the tape, they would have played it by now.

This is PURE PLOY to get the press OFF of Bush-AWOL and onto some alleged tawdry affair.

However, if it IS true and this woman HAS made allegations, I want to SEE THEM. I don't want them sitting on it and teasing everyone.

[nolabels]

84. Yea, but the problem with the story about AWOL is its not sexy

They have to go for the lowest common denominator to change the cue. After the satiation of a whole lot of worked up nothing diminishes interest they hope to have AWOL off the fold.

The story about the republican who was the doctors son who said he heard the doctor tell him a different story than the doctor originally told the press is really getting rich.

Where are these people who served with *, a few came forward, turned out their stories were bogus. Such a great way to Honor your country, lie for an appointed AWOL.

[oldcoot]

38. That is a good point

If Polier is cooperating with the press, the Sun should definitely have a more recent photograph. I would think that Polier would want them to use a more recent and more flattering photograph.

[vision]

56. No they are waiting for the "right" time

True or False, I don't care, but the corporate media is not on the side of most Democrats. As a result it if they plan to use this tape or "reports" of the tape they will not use it now. They will keep their "powder dry" so to speak until Kerry is the nominee or Bush is in serious trouble.

Truth doesn't mean much to the Rightwing that are in charge so I expect this allegation and maybe others, since "if he has done it once he has done it before" Will Kerry be able to ride the rough waters? I don't know but I do know that I do not count on the Press Corps to do their job most of the time. And if they do it is buried on page 64 in 12 point type. :)

[JohnOneillsMemory]

60. Remember the LA Times sat on the Gropinator stories until researched.

And the fact that atleast 16 women came forward to say that Arnold Schwarzenneger groped or assaulted them has gone absolutely nowhere since he became governor of CA.

This smells like an effort to knock down the Kerry candidacy because he can definately knock W out of office.

Unfortunately, not much would change with a Kerry win. Maybe better court appointments and some coattails in Congress.

But he's a corporateer through and through. Little difference. Shit.

[daveskilt]

24. if it IS true (doubtful but...)

then now is a good time for it to get out with 80% of the primaries still to come....go EdwardsDeanKucinichandohallrightsharptontoo!

[stevedeshazer]

25. C'mon, guys, this is The Sun

In the same issue:

<snip>

Elle Macpherson: Apology

IN an article published on 21 October 2003 headed “Bikini Model Elle In Rehab After Wild Party”, we published allegations concerning Elle Macpherson’s private life.

We now accept that these allegations were untrue. We apologise to Ms Macpherson and her family for the distress and embarrassment caused to her.

As a mark of our regret we have agreed to pay Ms Macpherson damages for libel and to pay her legal costs.

link: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004072236,00.html

[kittykitty]

27. This reeks of shit

1. "noone believes me"
2. interview taped in Dec but story breaks in Feb?

Yeah, right...

[aquart]

49. I thought that "friend" believed her.

You know, the one who said it was worse than it was being reported?

Has anyone ever met a girl who had an affair without at least one friend knowing every single detail? I remember being waylaid in Penn Station by one who tracked me there because the details were so fresh and juicy and she couldn't keep them to herself for one more minute.

Really strange they can't corroborate with the devoted friend to vouch for it.

[bushisanidiot]

146. Maybe Ken Starr Can Get Linda Tripp To Testify As Much Under Oath

$$$$$ can make people say whatever you want them to say..

[Emillereid]

28. Kerry is not my first choice but I don't want him brought down this way --

this is too cheap and sleazy. What's with the young girls these days anyway -- I mean 'in the old days' we did not kiss and tell all. There was a generally accepted 'code' between a man and a woman that what happened between us, stayed between. Isn't intimacy supposed to be, well, you know, 'intimate?'

[koopie57]

30. Something about this doesn't make sense

After watching what Monica Lewinsky went through, why would another woman who must be somewhat intelligent want to get herself in such an ugly mess. This is just driving me nuts. And the words these people use....sleeze bag, nastier, super rich. It sounds like my friends and I in junior high school.

[mth44sc]

31. There are moments when I think

I stumbled into the freeper web-site by mistake. This is one of them...

[stevedeshazer]

32. And in other news...

[still_one]

34. The Alien Skulls found on Mars I believe

[karnac]

37. Damn!

What happened to BatBoy? He was my favorite! ;)

Karnac

[PartyPooper]

46. Skulls and bones on Mars?

Does that prove Junior came from Mars?

:evilgrin:

[stevedeshazer]

50. Ouch.

That one stings.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

40. Why are all these articles in the UK press. Someone check out UK libel law

I have a funny feeling that may have something to do with it.

[0rganism]

57. UK libel law is much stricter than US libel

The UK press has to hold back on what they print, because there's no explicit freedom of press in UK law. You can get sued for hurting someone's rep, even if the story could be true. That's why they have to dance around inflammatory allegations.

OTOH, the American press is free to say anything about a public figure, so long as it's not blatantly false and "malicious intent" cannot be shown.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

58. But can you slander a foreigner? There must be some reason the UK

press is all over this.

[hlthe2b]

73. The UK media is NOT all over this--just these tabloids owned

by the same group of ilck...

[Screaming Lord Byron]

137. Yeah. Fair Enough. But it's been in the Sun, the Telegraph, the Guardian

seems odd for them to concentrate on this.

[Taeger]

42. Kerry has lots of reasons not to cheat

Precisely, he has $800,000,000 reasons not to cheat on Theresa Heinz.

I don't think that Kerry would screw anyone who wasn't rich or important. This story is obviously false ;-) That is, unless Ms. Pollier has a brother or father in Skull & Bones.

[demoman123]

65. But cheating isn't based on reasons.

It's a passion.

[Taeger]

78. Passion, Kerry ?????

Really, your assigning an emotion that I don't think applies to Kerry. I don't think Kerry takes a shit without looking presidential in the process.

Basically, I think he might be the most ambitious man on Earth. He's been posing to be president for the last 40 years. His associates are the rich and powerful. Those soldiers are only useful on the campaign trail.

Do you REALLY think that John Kerry has ever hung out at a biker bar with some Vietnam Veteran biking gang?????

Sorry, but when people brought up Kerries "flings" in between his Skull & Bones related wives, they were famous actresses. No one brought up some anonymous Cyndi Sherman from Southie.

Do you see Kerry's pattern??? Regular folk are only useful during campaign season.

I do think he'll fight for the working poor. But only in exchange for their votes. I don't think he really cares one way or another.

[demoman123]

80. Um hmm, "passion."

Clinton also wanted to be President since Junior High School and focused on it with singleminded purpose.

But, as we know, he also had time for passion for a quite ordinary, rather chubby, intern.

[MasonJar]

44. Who cares except the born-agains? They are not going to vote

Dem in any case. It is noone's business. What matters is what is going to happen to our world. Rove better cool it. Yheresa Heinz Kerry said she was only going to get out her funds if the press and the Pugs started attacking her and her family.

[karnac]

47. Actually Theresa has an interesting opinion

Her views on marital fidelity:

"I don't think I could have coped so well" with a mate's philandering as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has. "I used to say to my husband, my late husband, 'If you ever get something I'll maim you. Not kill you, just maim you.'

...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A17760-2003May5¬Found=true

It better not be true. Otherwise he is going to be talking with a very shrill voice from now on.

Karnac

[gimme a break]

70. I don't think you'd want to make Theresa mad

She strikes me as a tough woman.

How did he end up with her anyway? They seem like an odd match. Not that they're not in love with one another. Just curious.

[Roon]

48. If this is true

Kerry is an idiot for running. What a waste of everyone's time.

[aquart]

53. After the difference between Clinton and Shrub

You still think this is a legitimate issue?

Cripes.

[Roon]

67. only time will tell n/t

[Merlin]

51. Another reason this doesn't make sense.

I have spent time with Kerry and do not have the impression that he is a lightweight when it comes to political judgement. Knowing he would run in '04, why in god's name would he risk everything--in the light of zippergate--to bed a not particularly attractive daughter of Republican fanatics?

This smells.

Another thing. She supposedly went to Africa because Kerry asked her? Nonsense. She went there because her fiance' lives there.

And another thing. Didn't she turn down Kerry's request to work on his Senate campaign? Wasn't that in '72? Wasn't that during the time they supposedly had this fling?

I don't buy it. Sounds like a right wing dirty trick to me.

[karnac]

59. Um 72?

Where did you get that campaign date? Polier wasn't even born yet!

Karnac

[Screaming Lord Byron]

62. Dude, Kerry's Skull and Bones. They have time machines y'know.

Sheesh, some people.

[karnac]

69. Ok Ok!

My Bad. :evilgrin:

Karnac

[Merlin]

91. Ooops. I meant to type '02. n/t

.

[NNN0LHI]

52. What does this quote tell you? It tells me her story didn't add up

>>>She has talked at length about her relationship with Kerry. But no one is believing her.”<<<

[vision]

61. not yet

You know that the truth doesn't have to matter when dealing with the corporate media. Look at Max Cleland, look at Howard Dean's scream, look at JFK's murder.

So often in the past four years I have seen lies repeated endlessly by the press "Gore said he invented the internet" So if there is a belief by Rove and others that this will hurt Kerry I expect it to be brought out when he is alone against Bush.

[ButterflyBlood]

55. a Murdoch-owned British tabloid

eh sorry, need better sources.

[0rganism]

63. OK, here's the GOP strategy as I see it

Let's posit, for a moment, that Kerry actually did have a fling, or strongly attempted to have a fling, with Polier, and she dumped this story to the press in a taped interview. Think for a moment. You are Karl Rove, on the phone with your friends who own the press. What do you do?

You can encourage the press to cover the story in its entirety right away, and demolish Kerry's reputation during the primaries. Result: Kerry loses support, goes down in flames at the convention.

OR

You tell your media mogul friends to bury the story in the mainstream press, but prep the fanatics with some rumors in the tabloids. This sets Kerry up for a victory in the primaries, after which you conduct an adultery media blitz. Result: an endless personal attack on Kerry for the duration of the GE campaign.

Think about it. We're not going to see major coverage of this story until June, if John Kerry wins the nomination.

[demoman123]

71. Good analysis, but....

This is a little early to start breaking the story. Too much foreplay might wear us out for the main event.

[0rganism]

77. Not too early for the tabloids

This gets the idea into the public, without really saying anything in the mainstream press. That way, when you break out the big guns in June, there's already widespread acceptance of the matter among the bloggers and tabloid readers.

[demoman123]

81. I still think this is too long for a tease.

They drop off the boa in February, then one glove in March, the other glove in April, and finally get to the dress in June?

By then everyone's erectile tissue will have been worn out. :)

[0rganism]

104. These guys have investigated the Clintons for 12+ years now

Give 'em some credit. By any honest reckoning, the Clintons are among the least corrupt administrations to inhabit the whitehouse for 30-odd years. But you wouldn't know it from popular opinion.

ANY allegation can be floated in a tabloid. Reactions are measured to see if it sticks with a minimum of actual evidence. Later, you can release the evidence (real or fake) and push the story at a time when it does the most damage.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

127. You missed one very vital factor... Dems defending Kerry.

Think about it, float the rumours now and what happens? Dems sit back, wondering whether they might be true. However, given long enough, Dems eventually assume it is all a lie, and start backing Kerry all the way, denying he did it, and accusing the press of lying.

Then Kerry wins the nomination, and guess what? Suddenly there is proof positive that Kerry did it. Now The Dem nominee for President can be attacked relentlessly, AS WELL as the Dems in general for having supported a liar, even though they knew the truth.

Kerry is defeated, and the rest of the mainstream Dem politicians can do NOTHING about it without having their support of a "liar" thrown in their face - remember its not the sex its the lies - as the Repugs said during the Lewinsky scandal.

Oh, by the way, The Dems can say "Bush Lied!" and the Repugs will answer "So did Kerry!"

[eagler]

64. Hold onto your hats kids. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Do you remember a couple years ago when larry flynt did the interview on Crossfire about Bush's abortion story and they refused to show the program and even removed the transcripts of the show from CNNs archives? There are transcripts out there and now I'm sure its time to start asking questions.

[brentspeak]

66. Notice how they are teasing this one out

A little bit at a time. Trying to hint at this, hint at that. In other words, there's nothing there. But I'm sure Freepers are getting all excited about it.

brentspeak

[-..__...]

72. As much as I dislike Kerry...

and he is my elected representative in the Senate, I find it hard to believe that any post Hart/Rice, Clinton/Lewinsky candidate would be this stupid. Even if true, it's not the infidelity I have a problem with (word up... yes Dorothy, guys will do these sort of things), it's the lack of intelligence and "what were you thinking... that you're not going to get caught" mindset. The average wife/husband/spouse/SO, may or may not get nailed for it, but their life isn't under a microscope. Taken that into consideration, only an idiot would even think about screwing around. A 50 something-or-other married guy laying the pipe to a 20-something-or-other female I can understand. Taking a chance on ruining your relationship and/or marriage is one thing; ruining your career and reputation along with that is another matter.

[ozone_man]

75. It seems to be worse for Presidents,

movie stars, and other wealth and power figures. I suspect Kerry fits the profile well, married for money twice, playboy in between, ...

[dd123]

76. Affairs are always stupid.

You think anybody thinks having an affair is smart?

Clinton is a brilliant man, as is Gary Hart.

That didn't seem to prevent their problems.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

74. UK Sun = US National Inquirer. If they had the goods,...

...they would have unloaded by now.

[Walt Starr]

79. It's over for Kerry

That's it, stick a fork in him., He's done. There is absolutely no way Kerry can win now.

If Kerry is nominated, the Democrats will lose everything in a landslide and the Republicans will have a filibuster proof Senate.

I am so pissed off at Kerry right now I cannot see straight.

Why can't Democratic leaders keep their peckers in their pants?

[demoman123]

83. We don't know if this is true yet.

Maybe it's just tabloid nonsense.

[Merlin]

92. Wait a while. This story stinks. Based on her parents, I think it's false

I honestly don't think it's true. There are too many unrealistic aspects to it. Not the least of them is that her parents say Kerry called the house and asked her to work on his SENATE campaign and she REFUSED. That was in '02. That's when the affair was supposedly going on.

[mike1963]

97. Jeezus, Walt...you must know something none of us do, that it's "true"...?

Got a link?
:eyes:

No I was shitting about the 'link'...but I am one who doesn't believe this bunch of crap for now. Not that it's impossible, but I just can't imagine JK being that stupid. On second thought, I'm sure he isn't.
:eyes:

[FlashHarry]

128. Excuse me??? It's a little early for hand-wringing, dontcha think?

Here's the deal:

If it isn't true, it will blow up in the GOP's face.

If it is true, hopefully Kerry will be smart enough to issue a mea culpa immediately, so the press and the people can move on. Clinton and Condit failed to do so, and we all know what happened there.

[Walt Starr]

141. It's too late for a mea culpa to save him

If true, he has already categorically denied it. Nobody wants to relive Clinton.

I'm 75% certain it's true.

[cspiguy]

138. if true - I agree with you. But it may not be

and even if so, she may be bought off and the story will die. And he would not do it again, I'll wager.

[Enraged_Ape]

82. I wouldn't care if Kerry banged all the Spice Girls in his own jacuzzi.

I am sick to death of this infidelity crap, but I am even more sick of this stupid fucking job outsourcing, these stupid fucking terror alerts, and this stupid fucking war. Maybe Kerry's not the guy to end any of these, but someone's got to at least try to apply the brakes to all of the Bush administration's crazy shit. And whoever this person is, it matters not to me who they're screwing.

[LostInTheMaise]

95. You may not care but his very-rich wife might care

Without her he is broke unless contributers bail him out for the second mortgage he got to take it all from Dean.

[Enraged_Ape]

102. Maybe she might

But it's sorta between them anyway.

[cspiguy]

139. I just hope JFK did not oursource his wife...

It would be hard to imagine Dean doing that. For now I say it's a smear but hold onto your shorts it's gonna be a long year.

[mobuto]

145. Hell, I'd care if he did that

Kerry's, what 61, and not the most attractive man in the race. If Kerry still managed to bang all the Spice Girls, he's clearly a very accomplished man.

Solving the health-care crisis would be easy for a man of such talent.

[dd123]

87. Anyone get the feeling this is turning into he said she said?

Even if she comes out and talks about everything, I think Kerry will still deny it.

Lets face it, if Monica didn't have the blue dress, Clinton was planning to smear her and discredit her anyway.

[yellowcanine]

93. But there is NO she said!

All we have is a tabloid saying there is a she said. Also - I have been trying to track something down. The Sun story said this "tell all" was supposedly taped in December. But she was also supposed to be on a honeymoon in Israel recently and she has supposedly been in Kenya for several weeks. The time lines are starting to scrunch up a little here. Note also that the Sun "story" is very vague and they are careful not to claim anything for which they could be be sued for libel. I still think there is nothing to this. No friends have been willing to be quoted by name that could verify any of the details. If the story were true, there would be some girl friends who would be spilling details for the record by now.

[dd123]

96. Supposedly she was trying to talk but nobody was listening

Well now they're camping out on her parents doorstep and she's hiding out in Kenya.

If she comes back and wants to talk, people will listen.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

110. Right. And to whom was she supposed to be talking?

[Yavin4]

88. They Have Nothing

This is an attempt to get the press off of the AWOL story and the Iraq story. If a US network has her on tape and her story was credible, they would have played the tape immeadiately after Kerry's N.H. win.

Why do I say this? The Flowers story came out well in advance of the N.H. primary when Clinton was the favorite. As soon as a candidate emerges as a favorite, the media would have gone with the story.

Also, note that no other mainstream media is going with this story. It's just Drudge and his right wing cronies. They have absolutely nothing.

[fumetti]

89. Kerry screwed an intern, but Bush screwed AMERICA!

We gotta keep these things in perspective.

[mth44sc]

94. No

I get the feeling this is made up shit from the get go and folks are reduced to reading the Sun to keep it alive. But hell - that is how it starts. That is what they did to Clinton. You know - he was a coke dealer and all that happy horse shit.

Why is this thread still here?

[ratlover]

105. It's just sex

Yeah, it's just sex. We all know that a President having sex with an intern has nothing to do his character.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

108. What does going AWOL mean while a war is still being fought?...

Any insights on the character of a man that would do that?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

115. There is no prrof of that (eom).

[iamjoy]

90. Rovian Plot

I don't know if Senator Kerry really had the affair or not; if so, he should gracefully bow out now for the sake of the Democrats, for the sake of the country. Yeah, President Clinton got away with being a scoundrel, but we can't count on the same luck again, especially since Kerry doesn't have the same charisma.

I do believe they have the "evidence" and are hiding it until after the convention - the better to torpedo the Democrats' chances of gaining influence in Washington.Rove's plan is to turn American into a one party country.

[Beaker]

98. If there is even an OUNCE of truth to this-

Kerry should drop out I-M-M-E-D-I-A-T-E-L-Y, if not sooner, and he's a total asshole for even running in the first place.

Anybody with a potential BimboGate in their background should just give up on any possible aspirations to the Presidency that they might entertain...unless they're a Repuke- then by all means, go for it.

[ratlover]

99. cheating is good for Democrat presidents

Are you kidding? According to Clinton supporters, infidelity is a resume ENHANCER! I think Kerry may have leaked this himself. I mean look at all the great support Clinton got after the Monica scandal came to a head. It made him seem so much more human - he makes mistakes like the rest of us. He said he was sorry and I believed him. I think this would help Kerry's "stuck up" image. Look at JFK, he's thought of as a STUD because of his affairs.

[stevedeshazer]

112. The word is "Democratic"

I say "Republican", not "Republic" when referring to members of that party.

Thanks, um, ratlover.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

116. Ratlover obvious Freeper

Democrats = "rats" on that site

[snippy]

134. Lots of coprophagic freepers posting on DU about Bush's claims

that Kerry had an affair.

[yellowcanine]

120. I think you are busted ratlover. Good catch Stevie D.

Using "Democrat" instead of "Democratic" as the adjective is a well known Conservative Republican tactic. So - I guess that means....

[Matilda]

133. Bye Bye

n/t

[PartyPooper]

100. "Kerry Girl"...Does this headline offend anyone else besides me?

[yellowcanine]

113. Yeah it's offensive but it is a tabloid.

The manufactured sleaze in the article is more offensive. Tabloids sell papers by being offensive.

[yellowcanine]

101. Ok - it's not proof but certainly reason to doubt the story

From a classmate of Alex Polier:

"at the time my former journalism school classmate was supposed to be sharing intimate moments with the senator, she was working up to 80 hours a week on student assignments and dating one of our classmates."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8693388%255E2703,00.html

Furthermore the student was at the Columbia School of Journalism. Isn't that in New York City? She apparently graduated in May 2002, based on the linked story. Does John Kerry hang out in NYC a lot? A long distance affair with a U.S. Senator (who is planning to run for prez) while dating a classmate and working on school assignments up to 80 hrs/week? And none of her classmates knew or did know but didn't breathe a word? Journalism students!!!!

This story has more holes in it than Bonny and Clyde's car after the ambush.

[meisje]

103. Kerry Lied, Our Hopes For The White House Just Died!

Who is up next...Edwards??

Christ on a cracker, we're in some serious trouble if she talks

[demgrrrll]

107. Kerry would have to be certifiable to go on Imus and tell him he

didn't have anything to worry about and that Imus could
support him without fear of being hurt.

I'm no huge fan of Imus but he does have an audience.
Why would anyone in their right mind go on radio with
a national personality and set themselves up like that?

I sincerely hope this is false. If it is then I will
assume that Rove and the boys are truly desperate and we
are almost home. Trying for blow back from the UK lets me know that no one is grabbing the story right now, probably for good reasons.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

118. Why do you say Kerry lied, there is no proof of that.

[Onlooker]

106. Nothing to worry about

Sun Newspaper Online (U.K. Tabloid)
- "The beauty said to have had a fling with presidential hopeful John Kerry has recorded a bombshell tell-all interview."
- "Kerry, a married dad of two, has denied the fling. But Alex told pals she fled to Kenya on his suggestion."

Points: (1) She tells all and then flees to Kenya at Kerry's request? That makes no sense. (2) The Sun is tabloid with about as much integrity as Drudge

London Guardian (U.K. liberal newspaper)

- "Mr Kerry's former communications chief, Chris LeHane, was also cited as a possible source for the rumour. Mr LeHane was sacked last autumn when Mr Kerry shook up his campaign machine, and later joined the Clark campaign"

Point: This theory would explain the supposed story that Clark predicted Kerry's campaign would implode. Several websites report that Lehane is regarded as a vicious political campaigner, best known for damaging Bradley in his campaign against Gore.

Various sources

- Polier's father called Kerry sleazy, but said he didn't think anything happened between Kerry and his daughter. His daughter simply turned down the opportunity to work on Kerry's campaign.
- Saw on some website that Polier's boyfriend lives in Kenya, so she's there to be with him, not to flee
- Kerry denies everything in unambiguous terms

Conclusion: Doesn't seem likely that he had an affair. The right-wing is going after Kerry in every way it can: the affair, in the pocket of lobbyist, ally of Hanoi Jane, and so on. They're doing the same thing they did with Clinton: digging, digging, digging, hoping to find something that sticks.

[scarface2004]

109. if the blue dress isn t gunkd...

then all the tabloids they are punkd!!

[daleo]

111. If it turns out to be true

It would indicate a lot of hubris in Kerry's character, to run for president when he should have known this could come up. The Greeks always went on about hubris being a bad thing in a leader.

That being said, this is not a very reputable source. However it wouldn't surprise me if the corporate media was building Kerry up recently to sandbag him once the general election came closer. After all, they are called the corporate media for a reason.

The media is showing some conflicting signals. I get the feeling that powerful elements of the status quo would like a return to Clinton-like economic normality, while equally powerful elements like the Bush/PNAC approach.

[zbird]

114. I'm confused....

Kerry was front-runner for the Democratic nomination to take on George Bush in November.

His hopes were hit as hints of a scandal emerged.

Isn't Kerry STILL the front-runner? Didn't he just win two more caucuses?

Sounds like wishful thinking on Rupert's part.

[yellowcanine]

119. It's called "shaping the news"

The story becomes the story. Hmm, that is pretty much what is going on here, isn't it? Drudge printed a rumor, the British tabloids picked it up. Then Drudge reports on their reports of his rumor and more tabloids pick up the "new" reports by Drudge. That IS what is going on here, folks. Welcome to post modern "journalism".

[Cush]

117. Why would a UK Paper have it

if it was recoreded for a US TV station?

[karnac]

121. Interesting question

If you have noticed, the writers of ALL the polier items have invariably been Americans Or Brits based in New York City. But writing for English papers. Very wierd. It's almost as they are sharing info as it is coming in.

If this is true, count on the Polier interview to have been done in New York City too.

Karnac

[Voltaire99]

123. Not worried at all

If Kerry's guilty of infidelity, he's out. And we get a more progressive front-runner. No problem there!

But, inevitably and unenviably, Kerry has to answer to Heinz. And she once famously promised to "maim" her first husband if she caught him cheating...

The odds of that happening are unknown, but I would guess an admission of infidelity would pretty much end any chance of her dumping her Wal-Mart stock. ;-)

[JawJaw]

129. Connecting the dirty dots

Not all the RW british papers are falling for this shit.

The Sunday Express (normally pretty reactionary RW pro-war fare) has quite a flattering double page article on Kerry with the headline:

"Dirty Tricks Prove Bush Rival Kerry Is A Threat"

So they are framing the whole allegation as a dirty trick

Can't find the article online (the Express website is hopeless), but here's just one quote:

"Most mainstream media in the US has not repeated the allegations, which were first made on the internet, through Michael Sneed, a columnist with with the Chicago Sun-Time"


Chicago Sun Times...
Daily Telegraph....

2 words: Perle,Disinformation

[nolabels]

143. Did they also come out with the facts on WMD?

You know, all the effing lies Blair and * told about Iraq. Just wondering, truth is such a rare commodity in newspapers today.

[sendero]

131. I sure hope...

.... this is not true. Because if it is, it will come out and it will sink Kerry, and perhaps the hopes of Dems everywhere. The country could forgive Clinton, but I believe there is compassion fatigue, the country does not want to go through this mess again.

Based on what we're hearing - who can say? I could easily believe it, or not believe it. I don't see how anyone with a Y chromosome can dismiss it out of hand :(

[nibbana]

132. FREEP FRAGRANCE

Dean or Edwards people would have brought it up to see if it had legs...FOX news is spiking the story....yeah that's it...

[snippy]

135. This story is Bush's idea of campaigning on the issues.

It reminds me of Bush spreading the rumor that McCain had what Bush called a "nigger daughter." Just one more example of Bush's record.

[Name removed]

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[Moderator]

147. Not a valid LBN source

We realize this story is big in the tabloids, but let's keep LBN reserved for real news.