3 arrested in N. California lesbian gang rape case

[Adsos Letter]

Source: AP

RICHMOND, Calif. (AP) -- One man and two teens have been arrested on suspicion of gang-raping a woman last month in the San Francisco Bay area while allegedly taunting her for being a lesbian, police said Thursday as they searched for a fourth suspect.

Officers arrested 31-year-old Humberto Hernandez Salvador at his Richmond home Wednesday night, Richmond police Lt. Mark Gagan said. The suspect is being held without bail on gang rape, kidnapping and carjacking charges.

Police also arrested a 15-year-old Richmond boy and a 16-year-old Hercules boy Wednesday. Their names were not released.

Investigators are still seeking 21-year-old Josue Gonzalez, who had prior addresses in San Rafael and Richmond, on a $1 million warrant for gang rape, kidnapping and carjacking, police said. Gonzalez was called by the nickname "Pato" during the attack and is considered armed and dangerous, Gagan said.




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[carlyhippy]

1. Jerks....why can't people just leave one another alone....

Carly

[IndianaGreen]

2. Because of all the homophobia spewing from the pulpits on Sunday

coupled with cultural homophobia endemic in certain ethnic communities.

[Sultana]

4. Certain "ethnic" communities?

Wut, is that a code for black?

Homophobia happens in every community!

[Tab]

19. Actually I'd think it's a reference to the latino culture

Homophobia does exist in every community, but some cultures are more heavily into machismo. Ironic, because (and I apologize in advance for the stereotyping) take two heavily machismic (?) cultures - Mexican and Italian - and yet they're also the ones to revere mothers more than is done in other cultures. So you have a situation where the male dominates and yet the mothers (and sisters and daughters) are held up as symbols of purity. It's a weird dichotomy.

[soleiri]

26. agreed

These individuals are sick disgusting sociopaths. End of story
Latino Machismo has nothing to do with this.
This hatred of women which can be expressed by men of any culture and tradition.
If it was Anglo men who had perpetrated this horrible crime, would DUers attack an entire culture?

[Gwendolyn]

32. Sure they would. Especially if they were anglo men.

[soleiri]

33. I just don’t think bringing race or ethnicity into this discussion is necessary.

[Gwendolyn]

34. I don't either. They are disgusting swine essentially for what they did.

But you asked the question about anglo saxon men, so I answered. It's the only group acceptable to slam.

[soleiri]

35. Not the only group

If it had been Michael Davis or John Simmons or another non-ethnic name the outrage would be towards men in general, not a specific ethnic group.

But I think we are basically in agreement.

[Gwendolyn]

37. Yes, we are in basic agreement. Lol, except that if it were a 'non-ethnic" name,

such as you mentioned, the outrage would be aimed specifically against loathsome "white trash" or "white rich men who are above the law" or white men "who create the laws that encourage vile treatment of women."

Parts of the thread would trail off into "rethuglicans are the root cause" land, with George Bush being personally responsible for every rape in the last eight years, as well as all those in the next twenty to come. The thread would be three miles long.

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[Marrah_G]

52. I hope you enjoy your tombstone asshole.

[racaulk]

53. Well homophobes repulse me, so I guess we're even.

See ya.

[Zuiderelle]

54. Homosexuality repulses you and your profile reads like .... well something not very progressive.

So, let me get this straight, you don't like immigrants, you don't support a woman's right to choose, and you're homophobic (because if homosexuality REPULSES YOU, that's pretty much the definition of homophobia).

:eyes:

ASSHOLE SHITBAG FREEPER

[LostinVA]

57. What a homoiphobic sockpuppet troll -- I do hope you like granite countertops

[cboy4]

61. Who was it.

!!

[LostinVA]

64. cboy4 -- hehehehehhehehe

[yardwork]

40. No, it's generally ok to slam gay folks around here, too.

Probably not in this thread, or not immediately, anyway. But elsewhere, sure.

[Zuiderelle]

55. LOL! Yes, poor white men are the only group acceptable to slam!!!

:rofl:

What-the-fuck-ever.

[Gwendolyn]

56. Not in the world at large... but on DU that seems very much to be the case.

It's not a big deal.

[Zuiderelle]

58. Funny, it seems to me that slamming gays is perfectly acceptable.

As evidenced above, and many, many other places.

I really don't see ANY slamming of white guys. Not as a group. If anything, that's the one group where we tend to treat people as individuals and not as a monolithic group.

[Gwendolyn]

59. I agree with you. Sometimes what I read about gay people makes me cringe.

Sadly, it's fairly obvious that some people make remarks without even having a clue that what they're saying is insulting.

It's just my personal opinion of course about the other, but it's what I've noticed. Maybe people who've been here longer than others don't see it anymore. Perhaps people don't think of it as slamming because white men are the majority rule in this country so they're all fair game.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

66. Certain ethnic communities...

[Milspec]

9. Not in my Church

ever

[defendandprotect]

28. Well . . . that's something to brag about . . . which church is it?

[Le Taz Hot]

43. Shhhh.

We're not supposed to talk about that. :eyes:

[hughee99]

60. They're still looking for a guy

who has previous offenses for "gang rape, kidnapping and carjacking". Somehow, I doubt he finds his direction in life while attending Sunday services.

[Regret My New Name]

72. That was my thought too...

[ismnotwasm]

3. This is a direct result

Of the hate that spews from the pulpits of disgusting asses like Warren. And the Pope. Yes, I understand people are responsible for their own actions. But if we didn't have so-called "religious leaders" and politicians actively promoting hate, these crimes would be far fewer.

I can't begin to express my disgust.

My heart goes out to that woman. May she get all the loving support and healing she needs, after that torture and terror.

[WriteDown]

5. Call me crazy....

Or maybe I missed it. When did the Pope give his speech supporting rape? Sounds more like Hispanic machismo to me.

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[WriteDown]

7. Don't think that's exactly what he said.

Ha.

[IndianaGreen]

8. That's exactly what the former Hitlerjundgen meant

and if I had to choose between my life and the Pope: Off with his head!

[WriteDown]

13. You should really put your telepathy to better use.

Vegas should be your first stop. :eyes:

[bettyellen]

11. it's easier to rape someone who you've been told is damned to hell... than it is

and lots of churches are vehemnetly abti gay.
ha indeed.

[WriteDown]

14. Must be why prison rape is so common...

Then again, doesn't the church also say that rapists go to hell? Wrap your brain around that one.

[LostinVA]

17. Prison rape ISN'T nso common

[High Plains]

20. You're sadly mistaken. Read and learn:

http://www.justdetention.org/en/factsheets/Problem%20of%20Prisoner%20Rape.pdf

[LostinVA]

74. Nope, I'm not sadly mistaken

[bettyellen]

22. except on cable!

people seem facinated by it though!

[TheWraith]

27. Um, yeah, it is.

According to Human Rights Watch, at least 140,000 inmates are raped in the US each year,<1> and there is a significant variation in the rates of prison rape by race. Stop Prisoner Rape, Inc. statistics indicate that there are more men raped in U.S. prisons than non-incarcerated women similarly assaulted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape

[riverdeep]

42. Define 'common'.

If you mean ninety percent then no. But it's the norm with prisoners that have no protection or are vulnerable. They might call it 'coercion'. But it's really just the victim choosing how and when to be raped, because getting raped they will.

[bettyellen]

21. if they repent and find jesus,, no hell can claim them. you don't seem to know about christianity

wtf church are you talkig about?

[TCJ70]

85. I'm fairly certain God's gonna know...

...who's sincere and who's using it as a "get out of hell free" card.

[LostinVA]

16. First you demonize, which margializes, and then makes a group less than human

Less than an ANIMAL. Like vermin, or a disease.

Some are just out and out sociopaths and use this all for an excuse, but some are taught.

[Tab]

62. It's common in war to impugne the sexual prowess of your enemy

or otherwise demean them. Thus we fought "krauts", "slopes", "gooks" and others. Dehumanizing makes you question it less.

Rape is also a tool of war. In some cultures the effect is incredible - particularly in the middle east where often women are shunned from the community for being raped, as if it was their idea. Many women who are raped won't return to their home village because they'd be ostracized. It's wrong on so many levels.

[whathehell]

30. I guess a lot of churches tell soldiers to rape the local women

in war too...:eyes:

[defendandprotect]

31. The Pope doesn't have to ....

give a speech in support of rape . . .

All he has to do is cast women as "inferior" and aid their oppression.

The circumstances then deliver the results.

And -- if I recall correctly, the last Pope - the CIA Pope --

"appealed to young girls who have been brutally raped in Bosnia as a tool

of war not to have an abortion." In fact, I believe it was issued as an edict.

And, these are the same circumstances for homosexuals . . . the religious

preaching against them as an "abomination" sets the stage every Sunday for

increasing hatred and intolerance for homosexuals. Should we be suprised at

the results?

This is nothing new for the RCC which has for 2,000 years preached vile

propaganda against Jews, as well. They continue to be called upon by the world

community to sign a Confession of Guilt and Co-Responsibility for the Jewish

Holocaust in Germany.

Yes -- creating hatred for a class of people encourages violence against them.




Toll of Bosnian Rape and Death Camps Increases Steadily
... of the women in Bosnia-Herzegovina who are raped by Serbs are later murdered, ... been raped at the brothel, one by a U.N. officer, one by a Bosnian Serb soldier, ...
www.washington-report.org/backissues/0194/9401008.htm - Cached

[WriteDown]

46. Where do you get this stuff?

Your saying that the Pope's stance against all abortion makes him cast women as inferior? Ridiculous. The Pope, regardless of how you feel about him is against anything that he believes to be killing. That is why the Catholic church is against war, the death penalty, etc. I see now that you are one of those people who blame the Holocaust on the Catholic church. I saw a guy giving out pamphlets in a parking lot in TN saying that a couple of years ago...

[defendandprotect]

68. How do you not know this "stuff" . . ..

No . . . the Vatican/Popes continue to not acknowledge the full personhood of

females as they acknowledge the full personhood of males. They bar women from

ritual and authority within the church.

Maybe you've also heard of the Bible and the "Hammer of Witches" . . . ???

Witch Hunts?

Against abortion? No, the RCC is against all reproductive freedom.

Again -- how do you not know this -- or are you simply in denial?

No . . . it is the INTERNATIONAL WORLD COMMUNITY which blames the Jewish Holocaust

in Germany on the RCC and their teachings --- their vile propaganda against Jews,

and their 1,100 year oppression of Jews in Papal ghettoes barring them from

society, careers, education -- forcing them to wear YELLOW STARS--!!!

Obviously, you're one of those people who when you get a clue to reality about

organized patriarchal religion, you walk away fast.

[Dorian Gray]

48. It is at this point in the thread

where I have to ask....

HOW IN THE HELL DID THIS become an anti-religion thread?

Three or four men gang raped a woman. They have Spanish names, and we assume that it is because of Catholicism that they GANG RAPED A WOMAN?

Give me a break!

[defendandprotect]

69. The oppression of women begins with patriarchy and organized patriarchal religion ---

and those patriarchal anti-female "values" have not changed --

[Dorian Gray]

77. Or maybe these men

are thugs. They would be thugs no matter what type of societal "values" are expressed in this day and age. Whatever the situation, they are not expressing any "values" of a society that I know.

[defendandprotect]

81. Homophobic thugs . . .

And, really, you've never heard any homophobic "values" expressed in your church or

in society?

I suppose you've never heard any racist or anti-female comments ---

check you Bible -- !!!

[ismnotwasm]

36. Ok

You're crazy

[McCamy Taylor]

15. It doesn't say anything about these people going to Church. Stop being prejudiced.

[bettyellen]

23. we're talking about cultural reasons that cntribute to hatred of gays and the church contributes

[defendandprotect]

70. Only "church goers" harm women and batter gays---?????

That's like saying only church goers are racists --- ???

See Papal Bulls on enslaving the African in America -- and on

enslaving or murdering the native American.

[defendandprotect]

29. Right....preaching intolerance and inferiority of any class of people encourages violence . . .

against them --

this is true of their first enemies - women --

and it is true of homosexuals --

as it was true of Jews --

There are long, long trails of RCC VILE propaganda directed against Jews,

women, homosexuals --- and the resulting oppression cannot be laid at

anyone else's door.

[Dorian Gray]

49. Who says that these

men are church goers or religious?

What the hell?

[defendandprotect]

71. Again ---

who says that you have to be a "church goer" to harm women or

beat up gays?

Patriarchy and their underpinning --- organized patriarchal religion --

has long influenced society and government -- and created environments

unfriendly to their enemies.

Women are one of their most avowed enemies --

Homosexuals, Jews -- long history of all of this --

[Madison knows]

50. This guy doesn't look like he spends too much time in the church.

[defendandprotect]

73. And, of course. . . he's not part of society/community . . .

influenced by church teachings?

The oppression of women rests with patriarchy/organized patriarchal

religions and governments which have carried out their dirty work

for them.

The "inferiority" of women and homosexuals -- and Jews -- has long

been taught by the RCC and other organized patriarchal religions.

See Papal Bulls on Africans enslaved and native Americans ---

"enslave them or murder them."

[Dorian Gray]

78. You know

sometimes people are just thugs, no matter their background.

[defendandprotect]

80. And very often they are racist --

and homophobic -- anti-Jewish - and/or anti-female

Look up Byrd, Jr. -- was that the first "lynching" of a black man . . . ?

Now where did "thugs" get the idea that they could lynch blacks and not pay

a penalty for it in times gone by ?

Where did the Witch Hunts and "Hammer of Witches" spring from -- ?

Anti-Jewish preachings and propaganda --- ??

These males are part of society which has been taught these hatreds ---

often by "religion."


James Byrd, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Numerous aspects of the Byrd murder echo lynching traditions, including ... defendant Shawn Berry led police to the chain used to drag James Byrd Jr to death ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Byrd - Cached

[JerseygirlCT]

10. Gotta love that headline...

make it sound like the victim is the perpetrator...

Doesn't it sound like a marauding band of lesbians was raping people?

[AngryAmish]

12. yes

[bertman]

18. Not to me. I knew exactly what it was referring to.

[marshall]

38. Extremely confusing headline

Is should read "lesbian's gang rape" or "gang rape of lesbian".

[yardwork]

41. No coincidence. Rush talks about marauding bands of lesbian rapists.

[Le Taz Hot]

44. Yest it does.

My first thought: What kind of sick right wing yellow journalism are they throwing out now?

[Gwendolyn]

24. Excellent news! Hope they get locked away for a lonnnngggg time! Pig-dogs!

[Starry Messenger]

25. I hope justice is swift.

Thank you for the update.

[SeattleGirl]

45. Good. I hope they lock the assholes up and throw the key away.

And I hope the woman this happened to finds some peace and healing.

[Dorian Gray]

47. If they did this

I hope that they burn. What scum sucking assholes.

[SKKY]

51. I'm not religious, but I have spent a lot of time in Churches of various denominations...

...and I can't ever, ever, remember once hearing the pastor, priest, iman, or any of the members say, "Go rape homosexuals!" If anything, it's been just the opposite. Either way, these guys have changed this poor woman's life in ways that I can't even pretend to understand. I hope the rapists dealt with accordingly, but more than anything, I hope this poor woman is able to find peace after this horrific experience.

[TrogL]

63. They merely devalue homosexuals until they're no longer "people"

...and reduce them to be objects to be hated and destroyed.

[defendandprotect]

75. What makes you think . . .

a direct order has to be stated?

When you oppress a class of people -- call them an "obomination" ---

teach that "god" is oppossed to homosexuals, what do you think is going

to happen?

Tell me you never heard the preaching of intolerance for homosexuals in

your Church--- or that you believed it never happened in any church ---

We must all be concerned with female equality not only when something like

this happens, but always.

If you church does not fully acknowledge the full personhood of females as

it acknowledges the full personhood of males, then I'd say you have some work

to do in your church.

[TNOE]

65. I suspect their asses will be raped

in prison. Karma.

[LostinVA]

76. And, if that does happen, that is as much a crime as what happened to this poor woman

Rape is rape, and I HATE seeing it advocated as prison punishment. Rape is a violent crime, and teh rapist is a criminal, no matter who the victim is.

[Yavin4]

67. What Ethnic/Racist Group Did The Men Who Raped and Killed Teena Brandon Belong To?

Funny, no one cast apersions on their race/ethnicity.

[ohio2007]

79. You seem to have forgotten to mention their gang colors

They may have passed an initiation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYNEhQSLwM

respect and celebrate cultural diversity
:sarcasm:


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=15e_1230982293

lets ignore the ugly side of the story and focus on the PC hate crime angle

[noiretextatique]

82. the entire story is ugly..fuck your bullshit "pc" label

it doesn't really matter if four men kidnapped and gang raped this woman just because she was a lesbian or if she was targetted because she was a lesbian because of a gang initiation. it's still a hate crime.

[noiretextatique]

83. apparently they didn't vote yes on prop 8 eom

[Gwendolyn]

84. Sure they did. White trash trailer people all the way!