'This won't go away. What happened is much nastier than is being reported'

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/15/wus15.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/02/15/ixportaltop.html

Alex Polier, the twenty-four year old journalist who could end Senator John Kerry's hopes of becoming the next president of the United States is alleged to have had a two-year affair with the front-runner for the Democratic nomination. Last night the rumours were in danger of becoming a full-blown scandal.

Alex Polier, 24, is alleged to have had an affair with John Kerry
"This is not going to go away," one American friend of Miss Polier said yesterday. "What actually happened is much nastier than is being reported."

The allegations come at a crucial time for the senator. Polls showed him leading Mr Bush by 52 per cent to 42 per cent, and aides will be anxious to see if the apparent scandal affects his standing among voters.

Miss Polier, a former intern who also spent some time in 1998 doing work experience at the Houses of Parliament in London, is in Kenya staying with Yaron Schwartzman, her fiance and a member of the country's fashionable young set. The couple have refused to make any comment on her alleged links with Senator Kerry, who is married to Teresa Heinz Kerry, an heiress to the food empire.

[meisje]

1. Kerry will be out in 2 weeks

if this sticks and it will

[Renew Deal]

38. If what sticks?

What specifically did he do wrong?

[Born Free]

112. What specifically did he do wrong?

The most important thing is being a democrat, the corporate controlled media loves to make scandals out of personal affairs when it involves a democrat, whereas with republicans such as the bush in the white house they just leave it go, no sense in getting into personal affairs. Bring back "Mean Dean", the press can't beat him down with scandals, they can ridicule him for speaking out but they can't fault him for his policy or personal life. It's not too late....

[CabalBuster]

143. If the man really uses women, this will question his morality and fitness

to be president. This is how the media and BushCo. will portray it. Kerry should come clean NOW, don't wait until after the nomination.

[jsw_81]

148. BS

Kerry has denied the story, and the young woman has denied the story. Unless you find a blue dress or some evidence that the senator may have lied under oath about the situation, it's over and Kerry will continue his march to the White House.

[mbee]

154. Good - calling Al Gore, calling Al Gore! Sorry, but Kerry

isn't a good candidate and whoever thought he was doesn't know what in the world they are talking about!

[demgrrrll]

2. You know what, if this is true and this was in recent history then I will

have to say he is a complete fool to have attempted to
run a campaign for President. I truly hope
this can be put to rest very very soon and I hope that
he is telling the truth about this issue.

[RamboLiberal]

12. This next week may be the media feeding frenzy and where

it could go mainstream. I damn well hope Kerry is telling the truth on this. If he is not this could doom him and unfortunately the Dems as well.

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/7953102.htm

A global media scrum descended on the Chester County suburb of Malvern yesterday because of a furor over a rumored romantic link between a 1995 Great Valley High School grad and presidential hopeful John Kerry.

Despite the frenzy, little information was forthcoming yesterday, and there was no confirmation of any relationship between Kerry and the woman.

Several news trucks and assorted gawkers loitered outside the home of the parents of 27-year-old Alexandra Polier after her dad was quoted in a British tabloid that Kerry was "a sleazeball" who'd shown an interest in his daughter.

[lancdem]

17. This is the key

"There was no confirmation of any relationship between Kerry and the woman."

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. Another key is reading Post #25...does the name Perle ring a bell?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

41. The owner of the Telegraph is Hollinger International...

<http://www.suntimes.com/geninfo/hollinger.html>

Take a look at the list of media holdings. Very interesting.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

48. And here is a page showing Perle listed as an officer of Hollinger...

Hollinger International Inc (HLR)
<http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=hlr>

"Richard Perle, 61
Co-Chairman of Hollinger Digital Inc."


More info...

Richard N Perle
<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/FromPersonIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedPersonId=222534>

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

163. Also a Colson, Kissenger, and Taubman.... the old cast of

characters just keeps on going.

[IndianaGreen]

55. Hollinger International used to be run by Conrad Black--not anymore!

Hollinger International used to be run by Conrad Black, an ex-Canadian rightwinger, but he was canned after stories came out about Black's mismanagement.

Hollinger is selling some of the newspapers that Black had bought, including The Jerusalem Post and the Chicago Sun-Times.

Black has gone to court trying to block the sale:

Black Moves To Block Sale Of Hollinger Newspapers

By GERALDINE FABRIKANT (NYT) 1057 words
Late Edition - Final , Section C , Page 1 , Column 5

DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 1057 WORDS - In the escalating battle between Conrad M. Black and Hollinger International, Lord Black moved yesterday to stop the company from selling any of its newspapers, which include The Daily Telegraph of London, The Chicago Sun-Times and The Jerusalem Post. ... Hollinger Inc., the company that holds Lord Black's controlling stake...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50A13FD345D0C778EDDA80894DC404482

[Virginian]

149. Is the father already a registered Republican,

or was he paid by BushCo to say all of that?
Was the girl an Intern for Senator Kerry?

[Woodstock]

97. Agree, why on earth did he run if it is true?

and why did he put us through it? We needed a squeaky clean nominee this time, since 1) Clinton let us down by being indiscreet about who he unzipped for and where he did it and 2) the American public is more interested in people's sex lives than their qualifications for office.

What is the deal with these old guys? They can't find a discreet 40 year old mistress who doesn't work for them? Out of the whole damned world, they have to choose to have affairs with their 20 year old employees?

[SemperEadem]

147. Clinton didn't let me down---so redefine "WE"

Clinton and his affair with Lewinsky was the biggest non-issue to become an issue because the repukes are masters at pimping the Puritanical, fear-based mentality that weakminded Americans love to give themselves over to.

[Cronus Protagonist]

144. I think that just about every last senator has skeletons in the closet

Which would explain why almost all of them act like Bush's lap dogs most of the time. The BFEE doesn't just stop at political assassination.... they go all the way.

"ANYBODY BUT BUSH" Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

[muchacho]

3. I give Alex Polier two weeks

to come out in support or to torpedo Kerry.

[Robb]

124. FOX "news" reported yesterday she sent a letter

to the Kerry campaign. I know, I know, but there it is.

[muchacho]

127. and what was this letter assumed to say?

Happy Valentines?

[lancdem]

4. Who is this "friend"?

Yawn.

[madmax]

6. Lucianne Goldberg?

n/t

[lancdem]

9. LOL

Notice there's still no evidence of anything, just some anonymous person trying to keep it alive.

[Blue_Roses]

11. I thought the same thing

n/t

[Renew Deal]

43. Someone should start a thread that says: Matt Drudge is friends with Alex

Polier

[Blue_Roses]

8. exactly

and why is the "friend" so persistent in pursuing this? A two year affair, come on this is ridiculous.

[lancdem]

14. The "friend" seems quit a bit more interested in this

than the alleged paramour. Perhaps Alex doesn't have a comment because she simply wants to be left alone.

[bahrbearian]

27. Linda Tripp

though I'd rather see DEAN as Prez

[mouse7]

49. With "Friends" like Lucienne Goldberg, Linda Tripp, and Drudge...

...who needs enemies.

[Blue_Roses]

5. who cares...this is so ridiculous

she has a fiance, so why would someone continue to push this matter. It's stupid and old news. Move on...

[David Dunham]

7. This is an unfounded and false rumor.

[cally]

10. This is a test for Kerry...

He should be prepared for this type of attack. If he's not and stumbles, then go Edwards. Kerry had to know this was coming. If true, then just go now. I'm not willing to excuse this behavior this round. This election is too important. Show your stuff Kerry, whether true or not, or just get out of the way. We all knew these attacks were coming.

[keopeli]

13. The news here is that a "friend" of the alleged girlfriend of Kerry is

"not going away" and that the truth is "much nastier than what is actually being reported."

The trouble is that nothing is actually being reported. Noone has said anything substantial at all. Let's have the facts before we point fingers, please.

Keo

[lancdem]

35. Notice, too, the "friend" feels compelled to say

this is not going away. Perhaps because it IS going away and the RW is desperate to keep it alive?

[Devlzown]

15. At first I thought Alex was a guy.

THAT would be interesting. This is rather dull.

[bahrbearian]

32. I did too !

[R Hickey]

138. If Alex was a guy, we'd have problems.

I don't think this will be much of a problem for long. The Republicans had no problems with the Gropenator, so everyone knows they are morally bankrupt.

[yellowcanine]

16. More second hand information innuendos - slime rumors

Notice that this "friend" does not specify what happened? Also the "friend" does not give her name. Why not? Who is to say this "friend" even knows Miss Polier? Sorry folks, I think the Telegraph is printing trash here.

What do we have?
A Drudge rumor.
Several Telegraph stories, mostly rehashing the Drudge rumor.
Some anonymous quotes from alleged friends.
Some quotes from the parents that are equally non specific and that do not allege an affair.

Nothing there.

[lancdem]

18. The telegraph has been known to be tabloid-ish

at times.

Edit: Notice the Telegraph article says she's 24 and the Inquirer says she's 27. I suspect the Inquirer is correct.

[yellowcanine]

24. No kidding - Remember Chris Ruddy and the Ron Brown "murder"?

The Telegraph was all over the Chris Ruddy "story" about the "murder" of Ron Brown, Clinton's Commerce Secretary, who died in a plane crash. The "story" went nowhere, of course, despite the efforts of Chris Ruddy and the Telegraph.

[lancdem]

26. I knew they were right-leaning

I didn't know about the Ruddy/Brown thing. That is bad.

[yellowcanine]

40. Would i lie to you - here is one link

http://www.dickgregory.com/dick/9_ronbrown2.html

[calimary]

110. Well, shit then, why don't we start some rumors about some of them?

You know, they're always out there flinging stuff at our guys. If they wanna do the whispering campaign, how 'bout WE DO IT, TOO? Give THEM some more fires to put out.

[bearfan454]

128. We don't need to start rumors about them, they

are fucked up and it is true like AWOL, WMD, exporting jobs, etc.

[Virginian]

150. Keep to the truth, starting rumors would make truth seem to be a rumor.

Keep everything the truth.
You don't want to dilute the truth with rumors because then the uninformed wouldn't be able to tell what was true and what wasn't. They might believe the White House that none of it is true and support Dubya.
There are a lot of things that people do when they are drunk that they are not too proud of the next day. I'm sure if people looked carefully enough, there is enough that is true that rumors would be unnessary.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

82. That would've been Black, he was known for influencing Editors

and Conrad Black is one of the most loathsome traitors alive.

On Edit - I meant Editors, not Edwards. Freudian, moi?

[Nederland]

165. Yes, and I also remember Monica Lewinsky "story"...

Fact is, right now we don't know anything.

If this story turns out to be false, then things look good for Kerry because he can claim he is being unjuestly accused. If the story turns out to be true, who knows where it will lead. At this point however, I wouldn't stick my neck out and claim that this story is going nowhere unless you have information the rest of us don't. Democrats have been burned defending guys who were guilty before...

[yellowcanine]

51. Telegraph was big on the Vince Foster "murder" also.

Reporter by the name of Ambrose Evans Pritchard carried the ball on that one I believe - as well as on the Ron Brown "murder".

[IndianaGreen]

58. The Telegraph is for sale--its owner was fired by Hollinger

Conrad Black, a notorious rightwinger, used to run Hollinger. He is the one that brought all those rightwingers like Richard Perle to the board of The Telegraph and The Jerusalem Post.

Black was fired by Hollinger after mismanaging the company. Hollinger is now selling all of the newspapers that Black had bought, including the Chicago Sun-Times. Black is suing to prevent the sale.

See my post above on this topic.

[T Bone]

70. some news about Hollinger on pg2 of Saturday NYTimes Business Section

today. I saw it and gave it a quick read, but you know what? I forget what it was. Seems like it was a lawsuit of some sort or another.

Didn't realize at the time that it was parent to the Telegraph.

[IndianaGreen]

75. I think the collapse of Conrad Black is a riot!

He is more fascist than Rupert Murdoch!

I am also hoping Hollinger is able to go through the sale of the Jerusalem Post, and that Murdoch does not buy it, and a liberal buys it instead. It will be nice to see the JP abandon its rightwing editorial slant.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

85. Conrad Black may be held responsible for subverting Democracy

He certainly took on a one-man crusade to destroy Bob Rae's NDP government in Ontario, back in the 90's. Who's to say how much he contributed to that.

[yellowcanine]

19. Also there is the prostate cancer......

If this were true, John Kerry would have to be the first man to sucessfully carry on an affair while being treated for prostate cancer.

[madmax]

29. My husband said the same thing.

last thing on a guy's mind is sex when they're going to cut anywhere around his ...er penis.

[yellowcanine]

37. Not to mention...uh - erectile disfunction

One of the less than pleasant "side effects" of treatment for prostate cancer. Not too likely someone is going to be larking about if they know THAT might happen is it?

[aquart]

68. Giuliani did.

I'm just saying.

[yellowcanine]

77. I believe the timing was a little different in his case, no?

Didn't he have prostate cancer after the split with his wife?

[kanrok]

129. Here's a tin-foil hat theory for you:

Repubs are behind this to get the dems to argue that sexual indiscretions should be off-limits in the presidential race. Then they trot out Giuliani as Chimpy's running-mate (since Cheney is seen as a liability) and then we cannot attack St. Rudy for cheating on his wife while Governor. Remember, you heard it here first.
:tinfoilhat:

[amandabeech]

137. The "affair" supposedly took place '01 to '02 or '03

I thought that Kerry had prostate surgery early in '03 or '02. That would mean that he was okay before that, maybe with the help of Viagra.

I'm not saying that anything happened. I'm just pointing out how some of the allegations out there fit together.

However, if he had a recent affair or almost affair, I will be very unhappy. I'm ABB and I expect to help out at the local level in the fall. I don't want to be running around having to defend an otherwise good candidate who doesn't have the sense to keep it zipped after the disaster of the Clinton/Monica business. It's dumb to give the repugs any ammunition at all.


Amanda

[Gaffer]

158. Not true

They don't cut "there", but believe what you will. (try the anal route)
They don't even remove the whole gland anymore, if at all; treatment these days is chemical. kerry isn't old enough to have had any serious prostate surgery, so that a poor excuse as well. If anything, he takes pills.

[frustrated_lefty]

64. Sexual intimacy may be accomplished

without coitus.

[nolabels]

76. So can pregnancy, making love in a test tube, how romantic !!!!

But what's the point. Yea I bet Mr. Kerry's libido is so Waaaaaaaaaaaay out of control. Probably does all kinds of lurid things that he didn't want the light of day to see. This such a bunch of crap, what next he has a secret dungeon that he uses to do his devil worship every so often

[slackmaster]

132. Sexual intimacy is not necessary for an affair to have occurred

Some, no, many affairs are accomplished without intimate contact. All that is required is an emotional alienation of the spouse or primary partner.

[Jade Fox]

23. Yes, thank you.

Rumor commented on by anonymous sources (and Mom and Dad) based on
unsubstantiated info from a known corrupt right-wing source.

Ridiculous.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. Richard Perle sits on the Telegraph's board of directors

Need I say more about where all this is coming from? It's got Karl Rove's Dirty Tricks stamped all over it.

[madmax]

Really? Man, these people have their fingers in everything!

n/t

[lancdem]

31. Thanks for pointing that out

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. Bingo! Excellent research on your part!

[IndianaGreen]

60. The information is out-of-date

See my post above about Conrad Black being fired by Hollinger, and the newspapers that Black bought being put up for sale by Hollinger. Black his suing his former company.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

66. But Perle is still on the board, is he not? Isn't that who we're really..

...discussing here?

[IndianaGreen]

72. Henry Kissinger is also on the board, and they are being sued

this is the biggest publishing scandal in years!

Check this out!:

Hollinger crisis 'a great tragedy', says Perle

Chris Tryhorn
Friday January 9, 2004

One of Daily Telegraph owner Conrad Black's highest profile board members at Hollinger International has admitted the crisis-hit publishing company should have responded sooner to shareholder "misgivings" about payments to executives.

Richard Perle, a former chairman of the US defence policy board, said what had happened at the company - which is facing a shareholder lawsuit and an investigation by financial watchdogs in the US and Canada - was "a great tragedy".

The Hollinger board - which along with Mr Perle contains other big names such as former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger - has come under fire in a lawsuit filed by Hollinger shareholder Cardinal Value Equity Partners.

Cardinal's suit accuses directors of being "totally quiescent" as Lord Black and other executives "looted $300m" from beneath the board's nose.

http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,1119564,00.html

[Media_Lies_Daily]

83. Nice! Thanks!

[DoYouEverWonder]

71. I believe Perle is still on the Board of Directors

Conrad Black got fired by the Board of Directors but as far as I know, none of the current board has resigned has a result of this scandal. Besides, even if he did resign when did that ever stop Perle from exerting his influence?

[IndianaGreen]

73. They are being sued by shareholders

Cardinal Value Equity Partners is suing them (see my other post).

More:

Mr Perle, who joined the Hollinger board in 1994, has been involved in Hollinger deals that have come under the microscope in recent weeks, although there have been no claims that any of the investments were illegal.

Hollinger put £8m into UK firm Cambridge Display Technology, in which Mr Perle has a stake, and invested £1.5m in Trireme Associates, the partner of venture capital fund Trireme Partners, which is co-managed by Mr Perle.

http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,1119564,00.html

[IndianaGreen]

65. More info on the Hollinger vs Conrad Black lawsuits

Black blocks Hollinger newspapers sale

TORONTO, Jan. 24 (UPI) -- The battle between Conrad Black and Hollinger International has taken a new turn to block the sale of newspapers in the United States, England and Israel.

The move would block any potential sale of the publishing firm's newspapers that include the Chicago Sun-Times, The London Daily Telegraph and the Jerusalem Post.

Black is trying to stop Hollinger International from selling individual properties as he tries to complete the sale of his controlling interest in Hollinger International to a company owned by the Barclay brothers of Britain for $178 million in cash.

Hollinger International filed suit last week contending Black, a colleague and two companies Black controls had received more than $200 million in questionable payments. Fearing it would not be able to recover those payments if the sale to the Barclays went through, Hollinger also created a corporate review committee and gave it the power to sell assets without full board approval.

http://www.softcom.net/webnews/wed/ap/Ucanada-hollinger.RTUN_EJO.html

[koopie57]

20. if these people who are speaking for her are real,

for a smart woman she sure has stupid friends and idiot parents. He is a sleeze bag, it is nastier than it sounds ... why would they want to spin her life like this? If it were my daughter or my friend, even if it were true, I would not want her dragged through the mud in the papers, in front of the world. What are her fiance's parents thinking?

[lancdem]

22. That is strange

[KoKo]

47. I agree that her parents were "out of line" talking about this..and think

this story is quite strange. BUT....strange and "untrue as it probably is," we just need to know that Kerry has been faithful to Theresa and that will be all we need to know, or the American public who might still be interested in all this.

Unfortunately any Dem Candidate is fair game for Repugs to go after on "sex stories" because it's all the Repugs think about night and day 24/7.

Any candidate, knew this would come up. So, they should have been fully prepared.

Kerry has been through a divorce so he of all the candidate should have been even MORE prepared that something like this or worse would come up.

I had assumed he already had his answers lined up. :shrug:

[nolabels]

59. Thats why the groom and brides party sit on opposite sides of the aisle

Sometimes parents can be the worst enemy one can have.

[Woodstock]

98. True, even if it was Bush, I'd not say that

If they asked about my friend or kid, I'd say, "No comment." Because the only person whose business sex is between consenting adults is the two consenting adults. Totally classless parents and friends (if their comments are accurately reported.)

[alcuno]

21. Is Teresa Heinz Kerry an heiress?

I guess so because she was related to the guy by marriage. Did they refer to Ray Kroch's wife as an "heiress?" It seems weird. Oh yeah. That's not what this story is about.

[stepnw1f]

28. Funny.... maybe too many dots

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2004/02/15/cnberry15.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2004/02/15/ixcity.html



The consortium has made its offer on the basis of a sale memorandum sent out by Hollinger International's financial adviser, Lazard Brothers. This shows that the Telegraph Group has made a provision of £14.9m in its 2004 budget largely to cover the possible launch of a tabloid edition.


"We're ready to do a tabloid," said an executive. "But I don't think we'll push the button till it's clearer who will end up owning us."


The Independent and the Times already offer a tabloid version. However, the Guardian announced last week that it would not be doing the same for reasons of cost.

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36. Won't fly!

[fishnfla]

39. Reporting nasty sleaze

the oldest profession of the fifth column.

[rooboy]

42. The same paper that "discovered" the George Galloway docs in Iraq...

I wouldn't wipe my ass with their newspaper for fear of contracting a nasty rectal disease.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

81. Yeah. Haven't heard much about George recently have we.

That was a bullshit story, and I should know. I've met George Galloway a few times. The guy may be a bit of an arse, but he's dedicated to his causes, honest and real. Three things you can't say about the Telegraph.

[Manix]

44. Let's face it, this charge would be against whoever the front runner is.

If Dean was winning then Dean had the affair, if Edwards
then Edwards was guilty. Welcome to Rove World. Expect
more to follow.

[MikeG]

45. There are so many holes in this story.

1. The supposed fleeing of the country. Now we find out she is staying with her fiance in Kenya.

2. The age of Alex Polier, is it 24 or 27?

3. Where and when did the alleded affair happen?

4. If the father called Kerry a sleazeball, wht isn't his face on TV?

5. Kerry has friggin prostate cancer, just the thing a 20 year old wants.

6. Who was a witness to the alleged affair?

7. Where is this tape of the girl accusing Kerry, that Drudge talked about?

8. Which reporters overheard Wesley Clark?

9. Where are the stories from Time, Newsweek, etc., who were supposedly pursuing this for months?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

50. I would like to hear Clark deny that he said anything...

...remotely similar to the quote appearing in the media.

[MikeG]

53. If Clark comments on it, he gives it another day of life.

The girl's in Kenya and isn't talking. Remember the alleged affair of George, Sr. and Jennifer Fitzgerald? She worked for the State Dept. The story had no legs because we didn't see Jennifer Fitzgerald's face on TV either confirming or denying it.

[Terran]

152. Yes, that was extremely suspicious

Why would Clark say that about Kerry "imploding" than then endorse him the very next day? I don't believe he ever said it.

[TrogL]

52. prostate cancer is not transmittable

especially across gender.

Females do not have a prostate.

[MikeG]

56. I meant a 20 year old is unlikely to want a 60 year old with a bad schlong

[Media_Lies_Daily]

67. No kidding! Really? I did not know that.

Yikes.

[rooboy]

74. Females do not have a prostate? I bet Ann Coulter's got one. n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

86. I bet "she's" got something else...

...we don't want to know about either.

Blecchh!

[0007]

125. ....and hangs down to her knees like a wet paper sack

[yellowcanine]

93. In fairness - the poster said FEMALES. Is Ann Coulter female?

Females also don't have Adam's apples.

[OilemFirchen]

61. And another...

Explicable, I guess, but funny as hell:

Alexandra Polier, a tall blonde known to friends as Alex...

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2004071010,00.jpg

"Pic of 'JFK' sex storm girl"

Can't tell how tall she is from the pic...

[aquart]

87. Kerry's a sleazeball because he offered her a job?

Is Alex constantly embarrassed by her dad?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

88. Of all the ways Kerry's been described by people he's had dealings...

...with, the term "sleazeball" has been noticeably absent.

[OilemFirchen]

92. I'm thinking of three possibilities

1) He thinks Kerry is a sleazeball 'cause he didn't have an affair with his daughter. "What? She's not good enough for you?"

2) He's a Republican. 'Nuff said.

3) The reporter slipped him a Bennie.

[TorchTheWitch]

101. this is too funny

My guess is that the father is a far right repug. Malvern is a hotbed of wealthy repugs. It's only a few miles away from me (I grew up around these turds). I was actually in Malvern today. Took a detour and buzzed down the Polier's street... no reporters... no nothing... big fizzle. Stopped at 7-11... nobody knew anything about it... neither did anyone at the Sunoco when I gassed up the car. Nobody saw any reporters... nobody knew what the hell I was asking about. They probably thought I was nuts.

Oh, now THIS is funny!

EAST WHITELAND - Township resident Marylyn Calabrese surveyed her quiet little street Friday. "This is more excitement than we're ever used to having," she said.

Calabrese was scanning the crowd of 20 or so media members who had gathered on Madeline Drive outside the home of her neighbors.

"The story here is the story behind the story," said Calabrese, who has lived in the neighborhood outside of Malvern for 11 years.

She said she had received telephone calls from reporters at the Los Angeles Times and a Washington, D.C., paper - she could not recall the name - the night before.

http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10968863&BRD=1673...

The country club Calabrese family... Marylyn is quite the lil tennis buff. Doesn't it figure they interview a member of one of the wealthiest and influential rethug families in the area about this??? What a CROCK! No wonder she got calls from reports she conveniently can't remember the names of about this... Rove probably has the numbers of every member of the Calabrese family in his personal lil black book. GOOD GRIEF!

[nolabels]

103. Thanks for the Update

Could we say that their fake news is so weak that they are even having to make up some fake excitement about it?

They would never do that, would they?

I keep on loving this place, so great to keep in-tuned to what's happening

DUers :yourock:

[TorchTheWitch]

111. talk about weak!

Could we say that their fake news is so weak that they are even having to make up some fake excitement about it?

They would never do that, would they?

What the hell were they thinking printing that "Jane Doe Neighbor" crap... like they couldn't find a neighbor that doesn't practically own the whole area???? And how the hell would reporters in LA and DC even have this "Jane Doe Neighbor's" phone number handy??? Damn, Rove... a CALABRESE????... you're getting REALLY bad at this! HAHAHAHA! My, my... transparent as a window pane.

This is even more amusing for a personal reason. I got this old friend that somehow managed to marry a rich Malvern snot (I couldn't resist driving by his big fancy "hot damn I married money" house... holy cow, did he ever luck out!). Anyway... the dude is an alcoholic and he met this rich chick in AA. Before they got hitched, he fell off the wagon for a bit, drank himself stupid and got arrested for whacking golfballs off the roof of his snazzy house into the picture window of his next door neighbor's house while he was stark nekkid and singing Frank Sinatra at the top of his lungs. Damn pity the Calabrese's live a few streets over and it wasn't their custom made etched glass picture window. :evilgrin: Always wondered how much his in-laws had to pay to keep that one out of the papers... they'll probably punish him forever for that one.

Thank God I don't live around there anymore. Can you believe it?... $1.06 for a dinky lil bag of m&m's at the 7-11 out there!

[OilemFirchen]

90. And another another...

From the "article":

"Miss Polier, a former intern..."

Curious how this has become sorta central in this gruesome mess of a non-story.

Drudge sez she was an intern. Clark supposedly sez Kerry will implode over an intern somethingortheother. And, of course, the right-wing rags include this as part of her resume'.

But where was she an intern? The AP? She wasn't a Kerry intern, but that, of course, is the implication. Moreso, to the gutter monkeys who eat this shit three meals a day, intern = slut. Thereby slurring her as well as Kerry.

They really are masters of the language, eh?

[Catherine Vincent]

46. They mentioned this thing briefly on our local news

and they also talked about it for about 30 minutes friday morning on Washington Journal (CSPAN). I'm surprised that put air time on it but they both referred to the Drudge Report, as if everything that right wing hack writes is truth and fact. He may have been right about Monica and the blue dress but that's because right wing shills were talking among themselves trying to set the president up.

Plenty of repukes brag about Drudge but bragging about someone that gained fame because of semen on a dress is not so great, imo.

[Sticky]

57. Story links Kerry with ex-Chesco woman

Here's a link to a newspaper that quotes a different intern.


Begin Quote:

Missy Keehn Ritti of Pottstown, a former intern for Kerry, was skeptical of the allegations.


"Obviously, it is impossible for me to say," she said in a telephone interview. She is a former Daily Local News reporter.


However, she said, during her tenure in Kerry's office, he acted professionally and gave no indication that he would become involved in an extra-marital affair.

http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10968863&BRD=1673&PAG=461&dept_id=17915&rfi=6


On Edit: Sorry, meant to reply to original posting. Always seem to get that part wrong.

[MGKrebs]

91. Wow. A memorable day for me.

The Phoenixville paper linked to from DU. That's the little town I grew up in.

[NeoConsSuck]

54. Remember one thing..

Even if it is true, Clinton's approval ratings were never higher than when he was being attacked by the neocons over the Lewinski affair.

So exactly what constituency is Kerry going to lose over this? The Christian fundamentalist? Like he was really going to get them anyway.

[rooboy]

63. Good point. n/t

[JoFerret]

62. Hold on. Keep calm. Don't panic.

.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

69. ??? Who's in a state of panic?

[metisnation]

78. This story is bogus

we have bigger fish to fry than this..like the lies that Bush told us to go to war or the fact that the GOP has completely sold out Americans right to liberty by trading our good jobs away to foreign countries that have NO labor laws.

[janx]

79. More from The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1148524,00.html

[metisnation]

80. rumors and gossip

Please don't send me another enquirer type link.

[Nevernose]

84. It is a long-standing Republican strategy...

"It is a long-standing Republican strategy to leak stories to right-wing websites which are picked up by mainstream media."

Notice nothing is mentiononed about "truth," only "stories."

[metisnation]

89. this one is a gimme

If it was CMB who got nomated they would be leaking that she was a prostitute...come on folks you are much smarter than to believe this.

:dem:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

95. Just curious, but how many posters do you see believing this story?

[seventhson]

107. This is Kerry's Modus Operandi and had been for a long time IMHO

I think he is a sleazeball too and, frankly, I believe this story and am GLAD it is coming out now rather than after the "coronation" of Kerry.

Democrats are stubborn and pissed off -- so they may deny the significance of this because they do not WANT to chanmge their minds or rethink their priorities for November.

But we'd better be prepared to because Kerry will get crumpled and discarded like used toilet paper if this story is true.

I also accept that the possibility exists that it is totally false. I believed that about Clinton because I WANTED to believe him. I WANTED to believe it was a vast right wing conspiracy.

But I got burned then by an ego-driven cheater.

Once bitten, twice shy.

I have always believed Kerry was a man with NO principles whatsoever except opportunism, since I learned of his cheating on his first wife in the 1980's.

Nothing has changed.

You all can do what I did with Clinton and refuse to believe it.

I am not so easily fooled nor convinced by people like Kerry who I believe will do or say anything to get what they desire - whather it is sex, power, the ultimate in fame or money.

[notbush]

108. Gotta say

I think it is very possibly true.....He's always tried to be on both sides of the isseues....I DON"T TRUST HIM....I' a Deanie.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

115. And I have to say, put up the facts or back away from the keyboard.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

156. Forum warp? I'm pretty sure I clicked on LBN, not GD2004. (nt)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

114. I'm sure Kerry's prostate cancer made him especially attractive...

...since it was taking place at the same time.

Additionally, quit making allegations about Kerry that you can't support with anything other than your personal opinion. If you have any facts, bring it; if not, back off.

As far as Clinton is concerned, lying about Lewinsky was stupid. But what law did he break and why was he brought up for impeachment on non-crime charges? I bet you've also never heard of the Arkansas Project or the book "The Hunting of a President". Maybe you ought to get a copy of the book and start your reeducation process.

[Onlooker]

146. It is part of the vast right-wing conspiracy

The Clinton scandal was part of a vast right wing conspiracy, don't you understand that? Didn't you wonder why the Repugs were so quick to forgive Livingstone, Hyde, Barr, Gingrich, and others of their dalliance? Didn't you understand why the Repugs released the the Starr report without performing their constitutional duty to review the material first? Don't you understand that the motive for releasing this kind of crap has nothing to do with morality and everthing to do with power? Didn't you understand that the motive behind using this kind of crap to defeat people like Clinton and Kerry was to advance the agenda of the right wing?

The fact is, in the course of living, most of us do some really dumb things, unless we live really sheltered lives. The Repugs try to use those dumb things to their political advantage. The Dems are finally learning and going after Bush full steam on the National Guard issue when, in fact, the National Guard issue is simply a distraction as is the rumors of Kerry's affairs. The Republicans have mastered the art of sleazeball politics, and you've fallen for it. The Dems are learning the art, and hopefully will triumph.

[joeunderdog]

141. What's hilarious is that Bush is the #1 offender in this category.

Kerry is dead last!

Saw this on the news last night. They went beyond the headline and dealt with the facts. Bush camp looked sleazy.

The media is pushing Shrub out the door. What they say goes. That's why the Kerry story hasn't gone mainstream yet.

[karnac]

94. I will maim you....

No, I am not convinced it's true about John Kerry. But what if it is? what are the ramifications?

Check out this snippet..

Teresa Hein Kerry's view on infidelity
Tuesday, May 6, 2003

Her views on marital fidelity: "I don't think I could have coped so well" with a mate's philandering as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has. "I used to say to my husband, my late husband, 'If you ever get something I'll maim you. Not kill you, just maim you.'
...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A17760-2003May5¬Found=true

Hmm, If Kerry starts talking with a higher pitched voice, we should start calling John Wayne Bobbit Kerry. ;)

Karnac

[metisnation]

96. please

and there is water on Mars too. lol biggest waste of money ever!!! lets get food and water to starving people on this planet before we spend billions on dangerous and costly space exploration.

[demgrrrll]

100. I just looked up an old story that I remembered from a few months ago.

Does anyone else remember when the press started circulating some unflattering stories about Theresa Kerry? I think at that
time she shot back that she might invest some of her money in the campaign if the personal attacks didn't stop. Then the word went
out to cease and desist, supposedly directly from K Rove.
I think that the thought at that time was that it would still be
legal for her to pay for issue ads.

My point is that if they have decided that to move forward with
this story then they have either been fooled into doing it and
will wind up with egg on their faces or it is in fact true.
If they are at all worried about pissing off THK then I do not
think they would move with this story. You better not just wound this guy personally, they better have this one down cold. Too much risk.
A delicious thought would be that they have fooled K Rove into biting the bait and have inoculated Kerry from further attacks. We will see.

[0007]

126. You can bet your sweet ass that Lucian Goldberg

is salivating & drooling over each and every post on this thread that favors suspicion of this absurd rumor, while an idiot son struts around playing with his mother's gun with a woody.

[OilemFirchen]

99. From C-SPAN Booknotes, 1/11/04

And courtesy of http://counterspin.blogspot.com/2004_02_08_counterspin_archive.html#107660639853294159">Counterspin Central

" LAMB: Former Congressman Guy Vanderjack (ph) did something you thought was a slanderous lie.

MEARS: In the final -- absolute final phase of the 1992 campaign when Bush was going down the tubes, he with -- with, I think some push from some of the people around the Bush operation, he was at the time -- he`d been defeated in his primary but he was still the chairman of the House Campaign Committee in him name, and using a statement that he put out at a press conference that he had. They accused Clinton of having an affair with a woman wire service reporter covering his campaign, which was not so. There was only one woman wire service reporter covering his campaign, a very hard working and very attractive and talented reporter. And I thought it was just slanderous.

LAMB: And working for AP?

MEARS: An AP reporter, and so I would have thought it was slanderous if she worked for UPI, but because I knew a good bit about this woman and her work, I thought demeaning her journalism that way just was totally unfair. And I seldom got angry at politicians, but I remember being very angry that time.

[rocktivity]

102. The copy doesn't pay off the headline, as they say in the ad business

"This is not going to go away," one American friend of Miss Polier said yesterday. "What actually happened is much nastier than is being reported."

Well, then, this so-called friend should REPORT what happened instead of making "nasty" insinuations, complete with a way to back it up. Monica had a semen-stained dress; Kobe Bryant's victim had his DNA. It's time for someone to put up some evidence NOW, or shut up!!!


rocknation

[scarface2004]

104. i heard kerry went down on monica...

and jennifer, and paula....yawn, i ve already marked my ballot for kerry!

[David Dunham]

105. If this false story is the best Rove can do, Bush is toast!!

[seventhson]

106. But if this story is true, then Kerry is TOAST

There is an alleged witness who is talking to the media. All of this hangs on her credibility. Her story and identity will come out, you can be sure.

And Ms. Polier, who is clearly hiding out and who STILL has not denied the story, will eventually say something.

It may finish Kerry yet.

I hope you all are prepared to rally behind Dennis, Howard, or John Edwards when that happens.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

116. If, maybe, possibly. You provide no links but continue to stir the pot.

[Speed8098]

122. No Legs

This story will die the death it deserves.

Move along, nothing to see here.

[notbush]

109. Why is it that people with power

seem to have the need to have their masculinity affirmed?
Clinton,Ginrich,Livingston....all powerful people that let their little head do the thinking.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

117. You forgot Nixon, Poppy, and Junior. Why is that, exactly?

[Fight_n_back]

119. As Chris Rock says

a man is as faithful as his options.

the majority of people in marriages cheat. When humans started being monogamous you were old if you were thirty.

[Fight_n_back]

113. The affair stuff sure derailed Clinton

if it wasn't for his affairs he probably would have been elected President twice.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

118. Yeah...and he may have had to preside over the most robust economy...

...ever seen in history.

Good thing those stories hurt Clinton so badly.

[mallard]

131. Re: Next Stop Nairobi

Does anyone else notice the striking physical similarity with an earlier Democratic leadership downfall persona(?):

http://www.shorthairstylesphotos.com/monica-lewinsky-hairstyle.html

And about Mr Schwartzmann, et al (of the renowned Kenyan "fashionable young set"):

What the heck is the deal with THAT?

[GoBlue]

133. Duh!?

eom

[dd123]

120. I understand that rumor has her being paid off w/$500,000

If so, it would be easy to prove. Just check her bank accounts.

Remember...follow the $.

[opihimoimoi]

121. A Funny thing happened to Kerry while on the way to the Convention?

Lipstick on the collar?

The Pubs have a way to destroy their political opponents. They use anything they can get their hands on.

Nevermind their own transgressions.

Never mind whats best for the Nation/Planet.

Never mind Kerry is a war hero and Bush is a lip gimp.

Come, we go drink

[farmbo]

123. Kerry's Viacom, AOL/TimeWarner support paying off: they've Spiked it

...and will not run with this story domestically until after Wisconsin...when Dean and Edwards can no longer challenge him for the nomination.

[nolabels]

130. Viacom, AOL/TimeWarner investment paying off, Kerry in lead

This plausible title that floats idea of a Potus being picked out by these folks does come to mind though. It sure seems like they tried to do it last election. The funny thing is that it almost worked for them.

I bet Viacom, AOL/TimeWarner probably could run stories if they wanted to but plowing the crop under before you go to harvest wouldn't make much sense.

Btw farmbo how do they put this spike thing on anyway? Is it some kind of company memo? or word of mouth by being in this particular corporate click?

[suegeo]

134. This is probably nothing, but...

The story says Polier graduated from Columbia University.

I read a book about the rise of the neoconservatives that described the history of the new kooks of the American right. Many neoconservative "leaders" were also belched out of Columbia University.

Is there something in the university's water system that produces people who are toxic to the democratic party?

[karnac]

135. Verrrrrry interesting..

I can't say if Columbia is running rampant with neocons. Most conservatives would say they are underrepresented at academic institutions but there ARE pockets of refuge for them.

Lets suppose it IS true for the moment. If you read her writings as a reporter for AP or Columbias graduate program you would have to conclude Pelier is NOT one of them.

But what of her friends? This alleged affair started two years ago. while she was STILL at Columbia. Obvious that's where her friends were. And a *friend* is the one who blew a whistle this affair. The friend could have been a neocon.

Karnac

[amandabeech]

136. She did graduate work in journalism at Columbia,

according to miscellaneous internet posts that I've read.

From the same sources, she got her Bachelor's at Clark in Massachusetts. While she was there, she interned in Kerry's Worcester office.

Take it for what it's worth.


Amanda

[suegeo]

142. The book I read...

Unless I've got my books confused (I read many books!), the book that I took the "neo-con hotbed at Columbia University" information from is:

The rise of neoconservatism : intellectuals and foreign affairs, 1945-1994 by John Ehrman. New Haven : Yale University Press, c1995. Description xii, 241 p. ; 22 cm.

This book describes prominent neo-cons like Jeane Kirkpatrick (the woman who ate Nicaragua for lunch) and Elliott Abrams. The book also describes how Daniel Patrick Monyinhan (sp?) was in the movement, but eventually went back to his Democratic roots because other neo-cons were just crazed about communism, making it a bigger threat than it was. When the lunatic at the NYT (David Brooks??) claims that the con=conservative and neo=jew, he SIMPLY DOESN'T KNOW HISTORY. Jackass, know-nothing, so-called journalist.

The book also describes how the current neo-cons have their roots in "anti-communist liberalism", but then they went completely berserk-o and are now like a charging elephant, intent on stamping out democracy.

They got riled up back in the 1960s, because some African-American students at Columbia started fighting for their rights (THE GALL!)

Anyway, the book was a pretty good read...

[Lucille]

139. Polier's classmate: No time for affair with Kerry

No time for affair with Kerry
By Misha Schubert
February 16, 2004
SHE has the perkiness of a cheerleader and the ambition of a Hollywood starlet, but it's hard to believe Alexandra Polier ever had an affair with US Democratic presidential frontrunner John Kerry.

For one thing, at the time my former journalism school classmate was supposed to be sharing intimate moments with the senator, she was working up to 80 hours a week on student assignments and dating one of our classmates.

If she had time to manage an affair as well, that would have made her one hell of an overachiever.

The former Associated Press reporter, a 27-year-old brunette, made headlines around the world yesterday after the story of an alleged affair appeared on the website of conservative Matt Drudge.

Drudge suggested Polier had "recently fled the country, reportedly at the prodding of Kerry" after a two-year affair that began in early 2001. But no hard evidence has emerged that Kerry cheated with Polier, who is reportedly in Kenya, or with anyone else.

--
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8693388%255E2703,00.html

Please note also the time the affair supposedly begain: "early 2001."

Kerry had his prostate removed February 2001.

Maybe reporters misunderstood Polier's dad. Maybe he didn't say "sleezy." Maybe he said "geezy."

[amandabeech]

140. The date looks like Feb. 12, 2003

according to the Boston Channel:

http://thebostonchannel.com/middaycallin/1972650/detail.htm

and other sites found by a quick Google search.

I didn't completely trust my memory on this one, so I did a check.

Doesn't Viagra and its clones help guys who have had prostate problems?


Amanda

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

145. My analysis of this "story" on a different thread: Rove prints

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1124614

[karnac]

151. All she has to say is it didn't happen

I, for one would believe her without question. Afterall, who wants to start out on a journalism career on a lie?

So why hasn't she? Why is she avoiding it?
I have no answer.

Karnac

[Teaser]

159. She has denied it...

according to wonkette...

http://www.wonkette.com/archives/wonkette_world_exclusive_must_credit_wonkette_012973.php

[karnac]

162. Thanks!

Interesting site. With gobs of tidbits.
What's wonkette's batting average? Is it as hig as drudge's?

Tree

[Crachet2004]

153. I don't think this is going anywhere.

It's just an almost complete fabrication. Just saw a Washington Post
coorespondent (I think, a coorespondent) who said she talked to reporters who were there when Clark allegedly said what he said-and he didn't. End of story.

Sheesh!!

Let's forget this stuff and play pin the Cocaine on the horses behind.

[Name removed]

160. Deleted message

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[Mayberry Machiavelli]

164. Freeper agitator LOL mouthing Coulter platitudes

Get a life

[RapidCreek]

167. How can you tell? He can't spell?

That affliction is a badge of honor over at Freeperville.

RC

[RapidCreek]

166. do you mean Gigolo?

You don't spell very well, do you? Interesting.

RC

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

155. Why does she have to respond to anything?

All she has to say is it didn't happen


I, for one would believe her without question. Afterall, who wants to start out on a journalism career on a lie?

So why hasn't she? Why is she avoiding it?
I have no answer.

Karnac

Kerry is the one forced to respond in some fashion to such sleazy rumors because he's running for president. Just because someone is named in such a rumor puts no obligation on them to put their face into the cameras if they don't want.

[karnac]

161. Kerry is a politician

He said what I expected him to say. Truth or not. I've learned my lesson.

You are right, she doesn't have to answer. It IS her right let this rumour float. I don't deny her that.

As far as I am concerned, it's irrelevant to his quality as a president. Only electability.

Karnac

[Randomthought]

157. An Australian Paper

has this story.

No time for affair with Kerry
By Misha Schubert
February 16, 2004
SHE has the perkiness of a cheerleader and the ambition of a Hollywood starlet, but it's hard to believe Alexandra Polier ever had an affair with US Democratic presidential frontrunner John Kerry.

For one thing, at the time my former journalism school classmate was supposed to be sharing intimate moments with the senator, she was working up to 80 hours a week on student assignments and dating one of our classmates.

If she had time to manage an affair as well, that would have made her one hell of an overachiever.

More here:


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8693388%255E2703,00.html

I maintain a small private message board and one of our Oz members posted this link. She describes the paper as reputable.