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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:51 PM
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Rove: Bush hardly worst president
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 01:06 PM by sabra
Source: WashTimes

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Mr. Rove and Mr. Kristol were paired against Jacob Weisberg, editor in chief of the Slate Group, and British columnist Sir Simon Jenkins, of the Guardian.

...

"We've won the war," Mr. Kristol said.

Mr. Rove was incredulous at Mr. Jenkins' assertion that the Vietnam War was better managed than the Iraq war.

"We ended Vietnam in defeat, for which the families of 55,000 fallen heroes had reason to ask themselves if their sacrifices had been made in vain," Mr. Rove said.

...

"To suggest he's not interested in ideas is a peculiar form of Bush hatred that causes people to lose their rational senses," Mr. Rove said. "This president has been on the receiving end of this kind of attitude from the moment he took office."

"I will defend the president," said Mr. Rove, who added that Mr. Bush will be vindicated "over the long scope of history."

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/03/rove-tells-critics-bush-is-not-worst-president/
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:55 PM
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1. Will it include his designation of Rove as "Turd Blossom". I think we should
be told. Who better than Rove to enlighten us?
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:02 PM
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2. what war did we win?
invading a smaller country and killing thousands of their citizens

Vietnam was NOT defeat, we were not at war there either, as no war was declared
you cant win something when you fight for a hill, or land area, and then leave the area
and keep doing the same thing, that is what they did in Vietnam
over 50,000 brave US Soldiers were killed there for what

Bush IS and will always be the worst President in History
he makes Nixon, Buchanan, Harding, Hoover look like Jesus............
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:20 PM
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19. I never thought there would be one worse than Nixon but GW did
as much as he could to harm this entire coutry except the very rich and corporations. He hates America and hates the common people.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:02 PM
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3. What was won in Iraq?

The country is in worse shape now than when Bush invaded.

And the Green Zone was just bombed.

http://en.aswataliraq.info/?p=104113
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:05 PM
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interesting though that the only media source reporting the bombing is an Iraqi based source
so no news is good news...
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:04 PM
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4. Goebbels: Hitler hardly the worst dictator
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:05 PM
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5. He isn't qualified to decide. 1. biased, 2. didn't live in real America.
The bowels of the white house is not real America in anyone's book.

The worst attack in U.S. history and the worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression. What else does one have to do to become the worst?

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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:07 PM
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7. didn't you hear both of those were Clinton's (and Obama's) fault
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:45 PM
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15. By GOP standards? Get blown by a chubby, adult intern.
That's worse than messing around with underage interns of the same gender, as we all know.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:06 PM
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6. oh geez, these neo cons are truly delusional and sick
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:07 PM
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8. He's never finished anything in his life, is totally preoccupied with revenge, wrecks everything he
touches.

Never finished military duty, never finished running any of his businesses without cheating and running away, never finished any of his wars even though they've both far outlasted WWII. Ran the country into the ground just like he ran his businesses into the ground.

Totally bent on revenge, he illegally invaded Iraq as revenge for Saddam "trying to kill his daddy" and when the US people made a point of not re-electing him in 2004, he cheated again and then punished them (revenge again) by driving the entire country, and the world, into the ditch. "That'll teach 'em to fuck with gw bush."
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:12 PM
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9. Hardly worst president, hardly a president at all.
He probably couldn't have been impeached because he wasn't really the president.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:19 PM
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10. There are, in this vast universe, certain universal truths,
one of them being that the opinions of karl rove, and or bill kristol are not worth the time it takes to either read, nor listen to them.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:22 PM
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11. They have to say that because he was implementing their plan!
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:26 PM
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12. What F'in war is he talking about????

Turd Blossom is too kind a name for this jack-off.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:53 PM
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28. The one he sold
Rove is a joke
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:27 PM
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13. Historians beg to differ
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:27 PM
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14. If not for advances in field medicine, our casualty figures would be 4 to 8 times higher
than they already are. :cry:

12 to 24,000 more fallen heroes would be more than enough to justify yet another long, bleak, black granite wall on the National Mall.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:02 PM
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16. Not in my lifetime Karl.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:04 PM
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17. In a related story, Rove has already been booked
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 02:44 PM by foxfeet
to judge the piles of shit contest at the Texas State Fair.

Edit: Misspelled Turd Blossom's name.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:18 PM
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18. I can't wait to see how Rove is judged.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:59 PM
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20. Rove being "Rovian"
For Karl Rove to admit the truth about George Bush would mean that Karl Rove would have to admit to HIS involvement in the worst and failed presidency of all time. Therefore, he continues to defend Bush, but it is very apparent that Rove is defending Rove.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:22 PM
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21. With Reagan, Carter, Clinton, and his father preceding him, he's got some stiff competition for
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 03:25 PM by ryanmuegge
that distinction. Not to mention Nixon being in the not-too-distant past...
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:51 PM
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22. If we've "won," can the troops come home?
We'll just send Bill and Karl over to keep an eye on things. Since we've won and everything. Shouldn't be too difficult a job, and it's not like either one of these twits has a real job to report to. I suggest they go first to Fallujah. Then to Haditha. Then--aw, never mind; their itinerary won't make it that far.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:23 PM
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23. Rove's right about one thing...
Bush was hardly president.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:25 PM
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24. Washington Post today
Bush, however, has had three. He misled us into a nearly endless war of choice to disarm a threat that never
really existed. He let a great American city drown. And now he stands by while the economic security of tens
of millions of Americans is vanishing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:24 PM
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25. Hmmm. Let me check that scope.
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 06:32 PM by sofa king
Pausanias. Caligula. Nero. Commodus. Vlad the Impaler.

Nope. They're still assholes. And in two thousand years, George Bush will still be an asshole, too.

Edit: While we're at it, let me check the scope on eminance grises: François Leclerc du Tremblay. Potempkin. Diego Portales. Tojo.

Nope. You're still gonna be an asshole, too, Karl.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:42 PM
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26. Nero: Caligula hardly worst emperor.
:rofl::rofl:

Has Rove been reduced to "we aren't the worst" now?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:46 PM
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27. He sucked Rove. End of story.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:57 PM
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29. the man is touched in the head
no one in their right mind can lie so much so often and be so wrong on so many issues, yet still claim to be right, while at the same time, exhibiting so much arrogance. He is not ok in the head...
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 07:00 PM
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30. Hopefully
Mr. Rove will write his Bush positive memoirs from his prison cell.
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