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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 09:41 AM
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Impeachment spot to run in California
Source: Raw Story

The National Impeachment Network is planning to run an advertisement on California television during the months of December and January 2009 which advocates for the impeachment of President George W. Bush.

Headed by Ralph Lopez, diarist at the left-leaning Daily Kos, the National Impeachment Network is supported by grassroots groups such as Code Pink, Veterans for Peace and Republicans for Impeachment.




Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Impeachment_spot_to_run_in_California_1201.html



Full article and video of the ad at the link.

-Diane
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 09:47 AM
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1. Well if they are calling for it, it must happen! nt
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:06 AM
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2. This is a moral and ethical debt we owe to the world, especially Iraq and
Afghanistan. It is imperative that we follow through as one step toward restoring honor or dignity to our beloved country.

Thank you for posting this, MiaCulpa. :hi:
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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:08 AM
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3. thanks
I know I was pretty jazzed to find out about the commercial this am. :) Amazing work by a grassroots movement.

-D.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 09:52 PM
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16. I appreciate your enthusiasm. It needs done. n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:11 AM
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4. That's a waste of money.
:dunce:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:25 AM
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5. better than doing nothing and it will stimulate the economy n//t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:49 AM
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8. Better to give it to charity.
Than waste it on something pointless that will never happen.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:56 AM
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10. We could say the same about the 700 billions bailout
charity would be a good star for the 'compassionate conservatives'
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:05 AM
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11. Two wrongs.....
You know the rest.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:40 AM
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:51 AM
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9. I see that you don't plan on being here long.
It's not your money either, but it would be better spent on helping the needy such as yourself.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:26 AM
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6. The worst thing it can do is raise awareness of the issue
...so why not? Can't hurt, might help. Glad to see them doing this!
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:06 AM
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12. ITS TOO LATE!!!
Come on people, its too late for this now, the guy is almost out of office. And Obama will likely pardon him as soon as he is sworn in.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 01:09 PM
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15. There won't be any pardon...
For there to be a pardon there must first be an "officially recognized" crime. The powers that be will not accuse Bush of any crime so there will be no need for any pardon. Sorry to point out reality, but thats the way it is.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 12:13 PM
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13. I appreciate the sentimate
But too little, too late, IMO. :shrug:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 12:46 PM
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14. Tears for our dying republic! Cheers for the new emperor! Hail, Caesar!
That's how I see the failure to impeach Bush & brethren. It is the end of the Constitution. Now we have an emperor--young, kind, intelligent and pleasant-looking though he may be. And should he fail our real rulers--the global corporate predators and war profiteers who have now fully seized power in the U.S. unto our very voting machines, run on 'TRADE SECRET' programming code, with virtually no transparency--they will, without hesitation, bring on Hitler II, to keep looting and abusing the people of this former democracy.

Odd that I would say this, huh? That Obama getting elected is the death of our republic and the end of our democracy. And me a big Obama supporter. I am, truly. But I have said here--and I have never doubted--that Obama, Clinton, McCain and the others were running for emperor, and the question was, who would the global corporate predators who rule over us permit to become 'president'? And the second question probably is, what did the chosen one have to promise in order not to be Diebolded (and/or character-assassinated) in the 'election'? I think our votes--and the awesome activism of Obama supporters--helped them decide on a more kindly emperor, and a period of consolidation of the enormous global corporate predator gains under the Bushwhacks, rather than a quick march to a full-on nazi regime. But they could have easily decided otherwise, and we would have been helpless to prevent it. Our only recourse would have been easily smashed street protests, with all of the architecture of brutal repression having been put in place by the Bushwhacks and collusive 'Democrats.' We have lost control of our vote counting system. That is the core problem--and the final coup d'etat of corporate rule. And we MUST get vote counting back into the public venue. We MUST.

I said it is the death and the end of our Constitution, our republic and our democracy. And I believe it is, in official circles. They were able to shift to a nicer emperor without changing anything--with no reform whatsoever, with no accountability for the most heinous crimes, with our Constitution in tatters, with our coffers looted unto the 7th generation, and with the Forever War still raging, now being shifted to Afghanistan, always with more "troops" (and billions and billions and billions of our tax dollars) needed, and maybe shifted for a while (some resources) into economic warfare and corpo/fascist 'diplomacy,' but essentially all the same war global corporate predator imperial control of other peoples and their resources. We may be a better empire for a while, under Obama. We will not be a Constitutional republic based on the sovereignty of the people and the rule of laws not men.

This is what the failure to impeach the Bushwhacks means. And those who pooh-pooh the idea of putting an ad on TV about it really don't have much historical perspective or understanding of what just took place, these last eight years--a fascist junta, that ripped the ideals, and the democratic institutions of this country, to pieces, often with the collusion of our own party leadership. Impeachment was heretofore our ONLY remedy for a tyrant in the White House. It has been thrown out as a remedy by the Diebold II Congress and our political establishment. Impeachment is no more. They might as well have taken a royal pen and scratched it off the hemp paper upon which it was written, as the KEY--along with the sole power of Congress to declare war and budget funds for war--to control of executive tyranny. Control of executive tyranny is gone--fini, kaput. That fundamental law was scrapped, without a vote.

I cannot possibly object to our having a nice emperor, for a while. Our people and other peoples have suffered much from our bad emperor. I will be as joyous as anyone else at the end of the Bush Junta, and the empowerment of better royalty, on January 20. And I believe that it IS a victory for the people, in that the corpo/fascists who now rule over us became just a bit scared of our latent power, and decided to back off with the nazi boots--just a bit, for a time.

But beware: Without the power of impeachment, even for the most heinous crimes, and with the vast plague of 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting, we are very vulnerable to another outright junta, and those who hold that power are watching Obama very closely for any signs of real reform. I do not want to see this country ripped apart like Germany in the early 1930s, with the 'center-left' unable to rule (the conditions for Hitler's rise), and have often cautioned against it. That is the other side of the danger we face. We must pull together, it's true. But it seems to me that the people who have put this impeachment ad on TV are going about dissent in exactly the right way: educating people on what we have lost (control of the executive) and how dangerous that is. I applaud them. And maybe their education of the public will one day bear fruit in later prosecution of this gang of war criminals and future restraint of presidential powers, in law or at least in practice.

The critics of the ad also don't understand how movements begin--the anti-slavery movement, the labor movement, the women's movement--and generally all great social/political movements--begin small, with a few passionate adherents, and sometimes take centuries to fruition. You have to start somewhere to restore the rule of law in the USA. It may take time and more suffering before what we have lost sinks in, and people find a remedy for it. Kudos and laurel wreaths to those who have begun that process!
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