Pakistan blames 'non-state actors' for attacks

[Coventina]

Source: Associated Press

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — The terrorists who attacked India's financial capital had no links to any government, Pakistan's president said Monday amid claims that at least one of the gunmen belonged to a banned Pakistani militant group.

President Asif Ali Zardari called the attackers "non-state actors," and warned against letting their actions lead to greater enmity in the region.

Tensions between Muslim Pakistan and Hindu-majority India flared after the attacks last week in Mumbai that killed at least 172 people and wounded 239 others.

"Such a tragic incident must bring opportunity rather than the defeat of a nation," Zardari said in an interview with Arj television. "We don't think the world's great nations and countries can be held hostage by non-state actors."



Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i_THH84S9bUIhGGUr1Hqcm5ssBVAD94PU5MG0

[balantz]

1. Not to worry

Condi and the FBI are on the case. Surely they will get to the bottom of it. :sarcasm:

It won't be long before we know in which direction the PTB want the "war on terror" to go.

[cosmicone]

2. Typical of Pakistan....

first say no one from Pakistan had anything to do with it, then say independent groups did it. This is all while the Pakistani ISI is the main sponsor, trainer and funder or terrorism around the globe.

[EFerrari]

5. Tariq Ali says that after the bombing of the embassy in Kabul

the Pakistani military leadership has clamped down on ISI. The political leadership has made overtures to India. He says it's highly unlikely that this was ISI and he's not shy about calling them out.

[cosmicone]

8. Duplicity

ISI gives the government plausible deniability and the front groups like Laskkar e Toiba give the ISI plausible deniability. So Paki weasels can keep claiming to know nothing and claim themselves to be victims while continuing all sorts of nefarious acts.

By the way, no civilian government of Pakistan has ever been able to rein in the military or the ISI. They are the real authorities in control. The civilian governments are puppets.

[EFerrari]

10. Funding to that group was cut off some time ago -- a falling out with ISI.

Tariq is a very smart analyst. And he pulls no punches.

[cosmicone]

14. And of course you have looked at ISI's books and

can state for sure that funding was cut off? :sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

16. No, I've followed Tariq for some time. He generally gets things right. n/t

[cosmicone]

17. Has Tariq inspected and audited ISI's books?

You are making statements based upon idol worship? :rofl:

[EFerrari]

18. Idol worship? You may be surprised at this but

there are actually people who work hard to get these things right. And even you could figure that out by attending to what they say and seeing if they are right over time.

On the other hand, since you believe Pakistanis are, by definition, duplicitous, I'm probably wasting mine right here. :)

[cosmicone]

19. Your predicate was that

"ISI has stopped funding for LeT since the Kabul embassy bombing." It was a fair question to ask if you or people whose opinions you worship had actually examined the books to say such a funding had indeed stopped. Your answer was "Trust me, Tariq is right" which is not proof that such funding has stopped.

Do I have to make myself clearer?

[EFerrari]

22. It's doubtful you could make yourself any plainer. n/t

[cosmicone]

23. I c-a-n t-y-p-e s-l-o-w-l-y f-o-r y-o-u

Just kidding ... no offense intended.

[EFerrari]

24. Especially funny considering my grad study and career is in reading and writing.

Carry on.

lol

[cosmicone]

25. don't tell me you'll graduate in 2024 hahaha n/t

[rainbow4321]

11. ISI/LeT

Found this entry on a supposed gov worker's website..there is no permalink and the entries drop off after a while but I still am adding the link to the site below. Interesting thing is, the entry was from this weekend and CNN-IBN livestream just a few minutes ago was throwing around the same names (Dawood, ISI connection, etc..) so I thought I'd share the entry.

Here is the CNN-IBN livestream link, they may repeat the report..but even if they don't, it is a good site to follow the local news about the attack and it's political fall out.
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/video_streaming.php


http://home.pacbell.net/amerhero/daily.htm


30 Nov 2008, 12:29

Several years ago DEA looked into information regarding drug trafficking by the Taliban/Al Qaeda in the Afghan/Pakiskan tribal area. DEA's focus was an Indian born Muslim named Dawood Ibrahim and his criminal organization, "D company", which relocated from Mumbai to Pakistan following the 1993 Mumbai bombings and their new found relationship with elements within the ISI. DEAHQ wouldn't fund the case and it died on the vine. Fast forward to 2007/2008, D company affiliates with Laskar-e-Toiba (LeT) in Pakistan and the new Pakistani government plans to purge the Political Wing of the ISI. Result are the old Pakistani handliners could be out and drug trafficking organizations lose a safe haven and a lot of money. Rekindle mistrust between India and Pakistan and the hardliners get a reprieve and the drug business continues unmolested. My money for the recent bombings is on Dawood and his rogue ISI contacts.

------------
on edit:
CNN-IBN is now scrolling across the screen "India demands Pakistan hand over Dawood"

[cosmicone]

15. India has wanted Dawood Ibrahim extradited to India

and Pakistan has always sheltered him and refused to hand him over, even though he is an Indian citizen.

Reason? Dawood is an ISI asset and would spill the beans.

The same reason Pakistan won't hand over AQ Khan who had been scapegoated for nuclear trade which ISI was engaged in.

Pakistani military and ISI have to be downsized significantly and Pakistan balkanized into Sindh, Baluchistan, Punjab and Pakhtoonistan to reduce Pakistan's threat to the world.

Israel, India and the US can denuclearize Pakistan and accomplish this easily.

[NeoConsSuck]

12. You sound more knowledgeable than me on this topic

but I cannot believe the ISI would be involved in this.

This article states it has the footprints of the Lashkar-e-Tayyiba.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/01/bergen.mumbai/index.html

While they have wide support in Pakistan, they are certaintly not government sponsored.

[cosmicone]

20. ISI funds

Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad, using them as fronts while staffing them with army regulars and giving them training, weapons and cover.

Why do you think Daniel Pearl was killed? It was because he was close to finding this connection.

In other words, ISI, LeT and JeM are synonymous.

[Odin2005]

27. As far as I'm concerned the ISI should be labeled a terrorist organization.

I would not be surprised if they are ultimately behind the shit in Bombay. Obama needs to play hardball with Pakistan. If that requires military incursions into Pakistan so be it.

[legin]

3. What perhaps Rice is worried about

India finds some Pakistan involvement in attack.

Troops start massing at borders.

Pakistan have to back down (take a political hit).

President Asif Ali Zardari, made to look very weak, is dumped out of power and the u.s. lose a puppet which they put a lot of work into shoe-horning into power.

(maybe)

[Odin2005]

28. Good riddance, then. Pakistan is not a country I want as an ally.

The ISI, the folks that really run Pakistan, coddle AQ and related groups. Fuck Them.

[JonQ]

4. I'd be surprised

if Pakistan had nothing to do with it.

[EFerrari]

6. Amy's segment on this story today:

Toll From Deadly, Coordinated Mumbai Attacks Tops 170, Two Top Indian Officials Resign, Tensions Rise Between India and Pakistan

We host a roundtable discussion on the attacks in Mumbai, India’s financial and entertainment capital, that has left nearly 200 people dead and hundreds wounded. Indian officials claim that as few as 10 gunmen coordinated attacks that began late Wednesday night on multiple targets including a crowded railway station, two luxury hotels, a popular cafe, a Jewish center, a hospital, and a movie theater. India’s top domestic security official, the Home Minister, Shivraj Patil resigned Sunday over his failure to contain the attacks. The State Chief Minister and his deputy have also offered to quit. We speak with South Asian History professor Vijay Prashad, New York City-based activist Biju Mathew, veteran journalist and commentator Tariq Ali and award-winning activist and journalist from Mumbai Teesta Setalvad .


http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/1/toll_from_deadly_coordinated_mumbai_attacks

audio, video at link.

[marshall]

13. Presient Obama will be dealing with them shortly

They can't hide from the next administration.

[aldo]

7. Probably, maybe Hindu extremists using a false flag incident to forment war with Pakistan

Of course there are also other forces that want war with Pakistan. Who benefits from this attack? How would it serve Pakistan's interest to attack westerners and Jews? It doesn't add up, imo.

[varun]

9. Just like the Christian extremists in US staged 9/11?

What are you smoking?
Whatever it is - I dont want it.

I dont want my brains fried.

[cosmicone]

21. It serves Pakistan's interest aplenty.

Pakistan has always wanted to internationalize the Kashmir issue while it is treaty-bound (Shimla Treaty 1972) to keep it bilateral between India and Pakistan.

Pakistan hopes to get a lot more mileage by making it a multinational issue and I believe that Obama's recent soundbites about "appointing a special US envoy to solve the Kashmir issue" precipitated the Mumbai attacks to give impetus to such an internationalization.

India will refuse to accept any mediation and will refuse to meet any such envoy if appointed. India does not want to internationalize the non-issue of Kashmir and will point to Pakistan's treaty obligations.

Pakistan just needs to get over Kashmir. It is an integral part of India and India is never going to part with it. Will the US ever part with Southern California because it has a majority hispanic population?

[Odin2005]

26. Right, And I'm sure Pakistan doesn't coddle such "non-state actors", uh-huh...

:eyes:

[ohio2007]

29. Taleban fighters battling Pakistani soldiers volunteered to fight along side those same soldiers if

Taliban vows to join Pakistan in war with India

Taleban fighters battling Pakistani soldiers near the Afghan border volunteered Tuesday to fight alongside the army if war breaks out with traditional foe India over the Mumbai attacks.

snip

The government, which is appealing for calm, has not responded to it.

snip


Pakistan's army have been involved in a brutal war with the Taliban on the Afghan border. Photo / AP

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10546287

they ready to fight a two front war against crusaders and
the Hindu hordes?

they are doomed to fail