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winggirle Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:09 PM
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Russia in U.S. sights once again
Edited on Tue Nov-25-08 04:22 PM by winggirle
Source: Voice of America/Russian TV

Russian warships have arrived in Venezuela for joint naval exercises meant to demonstrate the two countries' deepening ties.

Officials from both countries say the upcoming maneuvers involve two Russian ships, including the nuclear-powered cruiser Peter the Great, Pyotr Veliky.

Their arrival Tuesday marks the first time the Russian Navy has sailed into the region since the end of the Cold War.
follow this link: http://www.russiatoday.com/guests/video/1823

another link: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i11j6_WMkX18YDuUlFGFn3Z8jfww

another link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27907501/#storyContinued

Read more: http://www.russiatoday.com/guests/video/1823



My thoughts about this Russian warships in the sights of U.S. once again is the U.S. is not prepare nor are they equip to fight a war homeland nor three wars. Whatever makes South America safe guess what, they hate Bush...

Happy Holidays...

taff...
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:11 PM
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1. Palin should have warned us about this
since she could see them from her front porch.
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winggirle Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:14 PM
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2. haha that's so funny...
Gov. Palin doesn't care about Americans after all...
taff
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:38 PM
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9. LOL....best comment evah nt
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:18 PM
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3. So what...we've been conducting joint exercies around russia for a long time
its amazing how quickly people jump on some news stories while ignoring long term trends...

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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:26 PM
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4. It *is* a change in a trend though
Russia's starting to (pardon the pun) test the waters further abroad in the last few years, pretty much for the first time since the Soviet Union collapsed. Until recently they've been pretty introverted. This one here, pretty close to US waters, is particularly significant for the unsubtle hint they're sending, but if the naval exercises were with, say, South Africa or New Zealand it would still be interesting in terms of the Russians starting to project again.

Note that I also think the "zomg Russians massing on our borders!1!" reactions are ridiculous (even though I'm not terribly fond of Russia these days). I mainly think things like this are interesting as a hint of Russian rebounding back onto the world stage, or at least attempting to hobble back up the stairs.
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:36 PM
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8. I think its normal
I am not fond of Russia either, but like you mention in your second paragraph, stories like this are often food for the right and their america-is-constantly-threatened phony paranoia

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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:16 PM
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11. Of course they are
I'm just saying that it is a relatively new - for the last few decades - event and interesting for a variety of reasons that go beyond the Foxmuppets' propagandizing.
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winggirle Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:26 PM
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6. Knowing what the U.S.
did just 3-days ago...Many people surrounding the area have
spoken out agains the U.S. and their Aggression procedures
when taken against Russia...

Come on...how can America support another nation, when we are
losing two (2) war and we have a failed economy...it just
doesn't make sense for U.S. to be chary or childish with any
country right now.  Putting Americans at risk because of lies
is not something America is prepared for, plus the U.S. will
not fire at Russia because than the U.S. has enemies
surrounding them in a second/ minute tops...
taff
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:26 PM
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5. You know what's next...
Edited on Tue Nov-25-08 04:26 PM by IanDB1



"Nobody puts Baby in the corner- shoot 'em!"


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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:14 PM
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7. two warships,a supply ship and...... one tugboat
just in case.
They hope to head around Africa and patrol Somali waters but
that may be pushing the limits of their endurance in a show of force.
but honestly, with the falling price of oil

http://russiatoday.com/news/news/33762

they don't have the horses
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHvE2zvwkZUbF3qqvLMu7g5-H2XQD94JETKO2
But they do have a tugboat escort
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:11 PM
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10. Hopefully NOW we have statesmen to deal with the rest of the world
instead of jerk off dick and bush ! Bush has backed US into a corner, maybe talking to Russia, China, Iran, Syria,Iraq, Pakistan and India wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. Sure beats staying the course, and staying the course, and staying the course...

http://www.wisecountyissues.com
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 10:00 PM
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12. is Russia....
....positioning herself as the global counter-weight to US hegemony?....with China and India tied to us economically, with their populations needing employment, it looks like Russia could profit from a world tired of US domination....

....we and the world both need this counter-weight before the next fascist repug administration arrives for a new round of global war-mongering....
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:30 AM
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13. I don't think China will not become a "global counter-weight to US hegemony"
just because it is tied to us economically. With their population and rising industrial economy their prospects are much better than Russia' whose economic prospects are tied to its exports of oil and natural gas.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n22/gess01_.html

"The rouble, for the moment, is the biggest problem facing the government. If oil prices fall too low and the rouble fails, as it did in 1986 (though this was kept secret) and in 1998, and if the coal miners go on strike again because they haven’t been paid and block the trans-Siberian Railway, savings will be wiped out. This would be a national humiliation – something more destabilising to regimes, as the Putinists know, than mere economic collapse.
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