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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:31 AM Original message |
California to investigate Mormon aid to Prop 8 |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. Out of state groups cannot be allowed to just invade a state and manipulate THEIR political process |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Actually, California was a big settlement area for the LDS church at one point. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Mormons are only 2% of the population of California, yet something like 40% of the money for Prop 8 |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. And that's the way it should remain |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
60. Thank you. You understand this perfectly. It's about minority rights. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
61. You rule. That is all. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
81. Then use that argument. Mormon bashing should have nothing to do with it. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
104. There is no bashing in the post you replied to - NONE. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Did the money used in the campaign come directly from the Church of the LDS |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Mormons were told by the church to donate |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. There are more details in this article from a Utah paper: |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. As I stated several weeks ago in another post, the church is more involved in |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. As I stated several weeks ago in another post, the church is more involved in |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
102. I believe the actual dollars came from individuals |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. I can't argue with that at all. I think they should keep their noses out of Prop 8. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Actually, they have NO right to take away others' rights. Period. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. They do have a right to individually vote for and lobby for the passage of a bill. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #79 |
91. Those who brought the bill forward have no right to attempt to strip others' rights. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 04:37 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Thanks for the concern. You can be assured that I am not a troll. |
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jhrobbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. I do understand your argument even though I am against (obviously) |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #92 |
105. I never thought you were a troll. That's your assumption, not mine. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. That is your right. |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Any time I see religion infringing on politics |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
59. My point wasn't regarding religion interfering with politics. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Saying that Mormons should keep their bigotry out of our politics is bigoted? |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Did you even bother to read my post? It's not difficult. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #78 |
90. Uh, you really should take your own advice on reading. The "stupid crap" is their bigotry. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 04:48 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Calling all Mormons bigots seems to indicate bigotry in and of itself. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. That's not what the poster said. At all. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. whatever, they probably would support prop8 back then too |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Interestingly enough, not so, due to their own early persecution by the majority. See quote... |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. So, I'm Mayflower and living next to an Indian Reservation n/t |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. I grew up in Southern Arizona and a very strong mormon family... |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Same here, my mother's entire family is Mormon |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. We are COMPLETELY on the same page! |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. Your point is historically accurate. Still, bluestateguy's point is correct also. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. Since when does it have to be a magical indigious movement? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Yes, that's what happened when we got Shitzenegger for Governor. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. Governator was opposed to Proposition 8 |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Big deal. He only opposed it because it was politically safe for him to so. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. Enron took down the previous governor. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Don't forget, there's documents out there that prove schwarzi met with eneron before running. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. As Gore Vidal has said, there was a coup in the U.S. in 2000. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
31. As California goes, it is often said, so goes the nation |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. I would like to use that to keep them out but have to realize they have members in California. |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
47. First of all, there ARE Mormons in CA, |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. It happens all the time |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. Hope so--!!! |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
3. Good |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
7. If the Mormon Church is FOUND to have violated 501(c)3 conditions, could an 'undue influence' type |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. You have a good legal point there but this should have been addressed |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
46. 501c3 orgs are allowed to do this type of advocacy. |
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machI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Use the RICO statutes to take down the Mormons |
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prostock69 (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Some Religions in this Country want to replace the Constitution |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. The current arguments aren't equal protection and privacy |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I'm surprised that a ballot issue would not be considered legislation |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. legislation is |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
41. Hey, if the Mormons lost their tax exemption, |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. It isn't likely. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
35. Hypocrisy on tax code violations runs wide and deep |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
45. The law just simply isn't being enforced... |
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madmadmad (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
8. let's hope something comes of this! |
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moonbatmax (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
9. For Some Strange Reason... |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 04:22 AM Response to Original message |
10. Tax the fuck out of them |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Exactly! n/t |
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DUlover2909 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. TAX THE MORMON CHURCH! |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Damn right. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Yes! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
36. The prohibition against partisan activity by non-profits is one of the least enforced provisions |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
74. What about state income taxes? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I believe they are, also from property taxes but not sales taxes |
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racaulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
44. Hell yes!!! n/t |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
22. Rec #20 |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
23. no 501 (c) 3 for you! (said in my best soup Nazi voice) |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
27. Good. The Mormon cult needs to be shown as a bastards they are. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 04:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
95. Uh, slavery was part of America's creed at one time... |
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LincolnRepublican (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
28. Since when do we put human rights to a popular vote? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Amen! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
69. If you're really a republican, you make more sense on this issue than some Dems on this board! |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
103. THIS is the problem. |
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Maryland Liberal (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
29. Kinda makes you wanna not vote |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Which of your rights would you like to have up for a vote today? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I'm thinking we should deny Mormons the right to marry. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. I wouldn't do that, but if Proposition 8 stands, nobody's rights are safe. |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
76. That's actually rather brilliant |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
82. Alas, you cannot discriminate on the basis of religion. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Well, we'll just have to declare it's not a religion first. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Huh? You can't just declare something not a religion. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #88 |
97. My hyperbole is showing. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Really? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. California ballot initiatives are overturned due to constitutionality issues pretty frequently. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
57. Yes, and we're all going to die one day. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
58. The point is that the courts must review and determine the constitutionality of such amendments. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
70. Do you support GLBT equal rights? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
73. Well, when dumbfuck, bigoted idiots like the mormon church champion electoral trash like this... |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
86. Well that's the bigot calling the bigot black, isn't it? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. He said the mormon church - which is full of bigoted assholes. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 04:56 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. The same could be said of the Democratic Party. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Don't even start with me. I was raised mormon in a prominent Arizona mormon family. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. OK then, I must have had a different experience with my Mormon family than |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. My immediate family--those that have parted with the church--are caring and accepting. |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
100. I should kinda make you wonder why civil rights are ever put up to vote. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
101. No votes are being overturned, no allegations of wrongdoing being advertised... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
110. Pfft |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
77. ANY church that preaches politics |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Uh, most religious institutions ARE political systems. |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I have and I do understand the "system" |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Heh, yeah. |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #83 |
98. Yes, but it is not allowed to be a "substantial activity" nt |
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