Jane Fonda tears into Bush Administration

[Dr.Phool]

Just caught Fonda on CNN. She said that she, Donald Sutherland, John Kerry, and others spoke at the anti-war rally in the photo. She also said that the Bush Administration is trying to smear Vietnam Veterans Against The War as communists, and the American people aren't going to fall for it.

Also the rally was held 2 full years before her controversial trip to Hanoi. Also that she and Kerry were only passing aquaintances then.

[Mistress Quickly]

1. Um, I bet the American people

WILL fall for it, after it is drummed into their heads for 9 months!

[CO Liberal]

2. You'll Never Hear This From Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity

They've been too busy trying to portray John Kerry as some sort of Viet Cong sympathiser lately.

[DemoTex]

5. Remind me again ...

Where was Ru$h? Oh yeah, sitting back on the block picking at a boil on his butt. Jody.

[scarface2004]

11. kerry killed viet cong..

now whatcha got?!

[liberalnurse]

15. It amazes me what level of

deception the will elude tooo. What really is scary is that people follow their message.

[DenverDem]

3. Jane and John were right!

Fonda and Kerry were the real patriots of their time, attempting to save the country from sinking into the moral morass that the wrong wingers of today would have us deeper in.

That war was wrong, just as our middle east adventure is today.

Jane and John were/are heroes. Any other characterization is idiocy.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. A point not to miss about then and now:

Back during the Vietnam era is was unfathomable to believe that the U.S.A. could ever be wrong. The motto was, "My country right or wrong, my country." That's why it took this country twenty years to even produce one movie regarding the Vietnam War.

But today is different. We not only know that the U.S.A. was wrong about the Vietnam War and also for its reasons for attacking Iraq, but the whole world knows. We must suffer the consequences of Bush's mistake. Our world soccer teams have to face jeers of "Osama, Osama, Osama" and now when we travel, Bush has made it a little less safer for all Americans.

Today, criticizing the actions of the administration is not only expected, it is warranted. That's the difference.

[Ernesto]

40. As far as I'm concerned, the people that went to Canada where heroes.

And I served in Nam 67-68, USMC. The more people with principle, the better we are as a nation. Sure I went along with the deal & got my GI bill bennies. The real heroes are the ones who helped to stop the insanity.

[molly]

4. Welcome back, Jane!

[Jack from Charlotte]

10. John Kerry was a hero Twice..........

with regard to Viet Nam. Once for his military service and once for his actions trying to get us out of that absurd war.

I've often said, had not many spoken out against that war, Americans would STILL be fighting and dieing for nothing over there.

As a college boy from '68 through '74 let me tell you The VVAW (Viet Nam Vets Against The War) were very respected. It was very hard for the right wing to call them traitors for their efforts to stop the war.

[Gasolinedream]

7. I just hope...

people are not so stupid as to associate a guy who has been in war, been wounded, saved people's lives, been through hell and back, with people who protested without that expreience. Don't get me wrong, it's OK to protest and stand up for what you beleive in, but this guy went through the Hell. Don't tell me he didn't have the right to come back and try to get his fellow soldiers the hell out of there by whatever means he could. I hope the enough of the dittoheads can at least show one shred of intelligence for once.

[underpants]

8. Whoo boy here we go

Good for her. This one photo thing is being carried as the banner by the RW'ers. This will of course add fuel to their fire-GOOD they are convincing anyone but the already convinced anyway.

How about a photo of W in Alabama? How about a photo of W other than the first day he was in TANG?

[CO Liberal]

14. How About a Photo of W With His Coke Supplier?

I'm sure there's one out there somewhere.....

[bearfan454]

18. He got free CIA coke when his Daddy ran the CIA

Remember when the CIA plane crashed in the 80's full of cocaine ? They couldn't hide it that time.

[scarface2004]

9. jane...

we still love you!!!

[Ganja Ninja]

12. You Go Jane!

What gall these republicans have! Bush who used family connections to hide safely in the national guard from the Viet Cong now has the audacity to declare Viet Nam Veterans Against the War as unpatriotic.

[liberalnurse]

13. I'm not the one who will have to forgive Jane for

Hanoi, it was bad anyway you look at it. Now that said, I applaude her speaking out against this administration! I don't think it is anyway near significant that Kerry went to an anti-war rally. I'm glad he did!

It's a free country...at least it was then.....


This is a big back-fire for the AWOL administration.

[Jack from Charlotte]

16. Here's a picture of Bush........

fighting for his country during the Viet Nam War.........

[Terran]

29. Is that really him?

What's the source? It definitely looks like him, and the bubble gum is a nice touch! The very picture of boredom and mental dullness.

[DenverDem]

21. Hanoi was bad how?

Saigon was wrong.

[9215]

17. As a Vietnam Era Veteran all I have to say to Jane Fonda is

Thanks!!

Also a big thanks to all the people who protested that war. If it wasn't for the protesters we could still be there watching our kids fighting.

[bearfan454]

19. Another Vietnam Vet here 9215

They are messing up with cutting down Veterans.

[Jacobin]

22. You are soooo right

We would STILL be in Vietnam if the people hadn't taken to the streets.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

20. somehow

Kerry in the background of a picture of Jane Fonda is a bigger deal than a picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam. Some people never will fucking get it.

[wetbandit2003]

24. Hmmmm

Jane Fonda huh...
A chick who posed on vietnamese anti-aircraft guns that shot down OUR
Pilots!!!!!!! The Vietcong made POWs pose with the woman for propaganda purposes. Perhaps you might want to study military history more closely and see what kind of damage this woman is going to do to John Kerry's campaign and this party......A Vet running for COMANDER IN CHIEF of the US ARMED FORCES being endorsed by a Treasoness..... I think a handshake with Saddam is a minor issue.....

[gimme a break]

28. Absolutely

Remember the story of the POW that tried to slip her his social security number so his family would know he was still alive and she squealed on him?

I don't know or care what type of person she is now, but then she should have been jailed for treason. Protesting is one thing, but aid and comfort to the enemy is quite another. Protest all you want, but when you spread the enemy propaganda while our troops were still in danger, that's quite another.

This is only going to cause a LOT of problems for Kerry. If she wants to help Kerry she needs to keep her mouth shut.

[Love Bug]

30. Get your facts straight

This is from www.snopes.com:

The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above -- that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result -- are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda."

Link: http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.htm

However, I agree that because of the amount of disinformation that is still out there about Jane Fonda (and the stuff she did do) any Dem. candidate should run as fast as he can from any kind of an endorsement from her. Most people still believe the worst about "Hanoi Jane" and no amount of explantion is going to change their minds.

[Dr.Phool]

34. Get your facts straight

The photo was taken 2-repeat- 2years before Janes trip to Hanoi. And BTW, about 8 years ago she had enough balls(?) to go in front of the VFW Convention, and apologize for her conduct. She knows she was wrong.

And, she wasn't endorsing Kerry, just clearing up a White House smear job.

I'm a Viet Nam era vet (USN '69-71) and though I didn't like here performance in Hanoi. She's admitted she was wrong, and I respect her for that.

[DenverDem]

39. The treason was perpetrated by LBJ and Robert Macnamera

Lied about the reason to escelate.

[absyntheNsugar]

42. Think what you will of Jane

but there is no Fonda/Kerry connction

[shanti]

35. never underestimate

the ignorance of the american population!

[Mika]

23. Kerry sold his failing oil company to Jane

Oops.. my mistake.. that was W Bush who sold his oil company to Bin Laden.

[wryter2000]

25. Listening to her on Doug Basham right now

I have a feeling that the press has made this a useless issue for the Repugs in the general election. They've shown the picture, followed by the picture of Kerry getting a medal. By the summer, this is going to be last week's news.

[prodigal_green]

26. Good golly

If this is the best they've got, we're facing a paper tiger here.

[Barkley]

27. Bush is trying to make Jane Fonda the 'Sister Soja' of 2004

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[onehandle]

32. She needs to shut up...

She should stay far away from politics until after the election.

Sorry, but even her "help" will remind folks of the "connection" between her and Kerry.

[donsu]

33. Go Jane - we knew you were right about Vietnam

and keep speaking out now.

[dawn]

36. Go Jane!

I wasn't alive when this happened, so I don't know too much about it.

I'm just so tired of Republicans slamming everyone.

[belle]

37. Yeah, don't most people think of her as that aerobics chick these days?

I mean, really, unless you're already a die-hard John Birch or freeper type, this looks ridiculous. He protested because he knew what it was like, hello. If anyone has a right to voice critcism of what they were doing over there, it's someone who actually saw action. Which Gee Dubya, no matter how many pay stubs they produce, whether or not he "did his duty" (a phrase that always makes me think of potty training, at least in this context)--did *not.* Never saw fighting. Never had to walk through a jungle not knowing whether he'd step on a land mine. Never had to deal with a buddy wounded or dying in front of him. Never pulled a trigger--except to shoot little birdies in the woods. It looks incredibly bad no matter how you try to spin it, and we know it, and they know it, and they know we know it. I'm actually starting to look forward to more of Kerry; this is making them squirm like no amount of criticism on the economy, deserved as it is, would be. Work it good, boy.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

38. She can remember all that, and Bush can't remember his NG days?

[RainDog]

41. Let's talk about the history of Vietnam

If the repukes are anything other than whores to the military-industrial complex (which, as Eisenhower warned, has become the greatest threat to democracy today in the form of Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, bin Laden/bin Mahfouz, ad nauseum), people should read conservative Kevin Phillips' book, American Dynasty.

Phillips details the ways in which the Bush family is the epi-center of just such a military-industrial (oil) regime, and every generation stinks of money laundering, black ops and war profiteering.

Let's talk about the history of Vietnam and Henry Kissinger's little trip to Paris before the Humphrey/Nixon election. It is now widely known that Kissinger talked South Vietnam into backing out of the peace treaty at that time, because he would get them "better terms."

Nixon won. The war continued, unnecessarily, and twenty-thousand...TWENTY THOUSAND more American soldiers died in Vietnam until Kissinger "brokered" a peace deal...with the same terms for South Vietnam that they were ready to agree to before the Nixon election.

Let's talk about the Gulf of Tonkin, when our govt lied in order to pull our nation into a war.

Let's talk about the illegal bombing of Cambodia, institgated, again, by Kissinger and Nixon.

Jane Fonda was an actress.

Kissinger was the architect of war crimes. Kissinger was also the man Bush wanted to appoint to head the 9-11 commission.

So let's talk about Vietnam, and Kissinger, and Bush, and let's not forget the stunning revelations of stonewalling now occuring in the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and let's ask why an awol little prick sat in a classroom and read about a pet goat for twenty minutes when he knew this nation had been attacked.

Isn't it funny how repukes can talk about everything but the real issues?