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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:17 PM
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Leahy Becomes First Senator To Demand Lieberman's Ouster From Homeland Security Committee
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 02:20 PM by halo experiment
Source: TalkingPointsMemo

We now have our first Dem Senator who has come on the record and called for Joe Lieberman to be booted from his plum spot on the Homeland Security committee.

In an interview with Vermont Public Radio today, Senator Patrick Leahy left no doubt whatsoever: He believes Lieberman should be given the push.

"Every Senator will have to vote the way he or she believes they should," Leahy said, in a reference to the upcoming vote on Lieberman's fate in the Dem caucus next week. "I'm one who does not feel that somebody should be rewarded with a major chairmanship after doing what he did."

"I felt some of the attacks that he was involved in against Senator Obama...went way beyond the pale," Leahy continued. "I thought they were not fair, I thought they were not legitimate, I thought they perpetuated some of these horrible myths that were being run about Senator Obama."



Read more: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/leahy_calls_on_lieberman_to_be.php



EDIT: There is an audio clip on TPM websites about his exact comments on Liebermann
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:20 PM
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1. Yay for spineage!!
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:03 PM
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61. Yay indeed! I sent Leahy a THANK YOU email and will also call his office Monday.
Leahy's contact info:

email webform: http://leahy.senate.gov/contact.cfm

snail mail: 433 Russell Senate Office Bldg
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510

phone: (202) 224-4242


Let's hope he's the first of many!
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:21 PM
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2. Bravo, Senator Leahy
Not that it changes anything, but THANK YOU for doing the right thing.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:28 PM
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3. I'm so proud of my Senator.
He really represents me well. Couldn't be happier with the Vermont delegation.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:30 PM
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4. I am very jealous of your delegation,
here in Florida we can't get anything related to democracy right :(
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:31 PM
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5. Well, you got Wexler...
He's pretty great!
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:07 PM
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47. You have the best two.
Sen. Boxer is great; Feinie is not so great. She needs to go the way of Lieberman.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:19 PM
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48. We do have a good delegation
not a bad apple out of the three.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:32 PM
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6. Bush kiss did it for me
He is a traitor
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:49 PM
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15. Bush kiss?



Yeah, it looks like Bush is licked Holy Joe's toes... from the inside...
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:48 PM
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27. that is disturbing footage! eom
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #15
44. dear god man, my eyes!
i didn't deserve that :(
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:01 PM
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45. I think Bush was whispering that LIEberman is now a made man.
They both need to go as quickly as possible. Sooner would be better than later!
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Omegaman Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
92. looks more like Judas...
kissing Christ before he was taken away to be crucified.  No
honor among thieves it looks like. 
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:32 PM
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7. Now that's change I can believe in !
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:33 PM
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8. Go Leahy!
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:34 PM
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9. Go PAT!
:toast:
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:36 PM
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10. We need about 30 more like him
in fact, we deserve it
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. +1
:applause:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:38 PM
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11. thank you Senator Leahy.
you take no BS.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:38 PM
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12. Lieberman is a proven traitor. That makes him a serious threat to our National Security.
Lieberman should not only be barred from the Homeland Security Committee, but from any other Committee that is significantly involved with National Security issues. He's double-minded, bitter and vindictive, and he may deliberately cause us serious harm.

Seriously: Do you trust Joe Lieberman to have knowledge of sensitive National Security issues?

I sure don't.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
103. He is a fucking traitor!
He's an agent of the brutal fucking shit-hole known as Israel.

He couldn't care less about this country. And if that wasn't bad enough, he likes to lick on the fucking chimp all the time.

What a dick! :thumbsdown:
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jerryster Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #103
123. Excuse me??
Israel... brutal fucking shit hole? Jeez, maybe Lieberman will do us all a favor and leave for some remote deserted island... and take you with him.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #123
125. Fuck you, asshole!
I guess I know a brutal fucking shit hole when I see one. :thumbsdown:
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RayStar Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #12
117. Kick Joe Out
I am so angry at JL. I hope they demand he resign ASAP!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:45 PM
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13. Would that be a way of saying they don't want the AIPAC governing Homeland Security?
I don't know....but a thought.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:51 PM
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16. Just called Feinstein and Boxer to request they boot him off Homeland Security
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:03 PM
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17. to me, lieberman's betrayal is particularly offensive because he accepted the 2000 vp nomination
it's not just that no democrat, or democratic senator, or democratic committee chair, should campaign against the democratic presidential nominee.

i think that anyone who has previously accepted the presidential or vice-presidential nomination has a special obligation to the party that nominated them. the entire party united an supported lieberman in 2000, withholding any particular issues with the candidate in particular, in the name of the party.

he benefitted from the party; then, when it was lieberman's turn to return the favor, he bolts for the other party.

not cool.


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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #17
34. Excellent point
Thanks for bringing that up.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:16 PM
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18. thank you god. n/t.
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DeadManInc Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:16 PM
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19. It's about time someone grew a pair!
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:21 PM
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20. Good for Leahy.
As others have said, it's less about punishment and more about suitability for the role. He's pretty aptly demonstrated his lack of the latter.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:34 PM
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21. Yea for Senator Leahy!
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:40 PM
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22. knr
nice to see somebody actually put that out there.
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New Mexico Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:40 PM
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23. Joe Lieberman
I think Sen. Lieberman knows it is coming. He can't be surprised, not after what he has done. Maybe he will still caucus with the democrats.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. What's coming...a pat on the back?
According to his pal Harry he's still a 'great' senator. :puke:

Grow an f'n spine for once Majority "Leader". He's a mole for the Repukes anyways, no big loss.
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. many DUers..
Think practically every Democrat is Republican lite. I have yet to hear anyone say how Lieberman differs from Democrats on Homeland Security policy.

Committee chairmanship shouldn't be removed because of revenge for not supporting Obama.
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ZeitGuy Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:04 PM
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46. It wasn't about Lieberman "not supporting" Obama.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 05:07 PM by ZeitGuy
It's about him perpetuating the lies and myths propogated by those inbred, bottom-feeding mouth-breathers in the McCain/Palin camp, and about him not saying jack when Caribou Barbie was stirring up the seething racism in the GOP base just for shits and giggles. It's about turning his back on his caucus and on the party who nominated him as its VP pick in 2000. It's about piss-poor judgement, and his endless and exasperating display of the same.

I could continue.
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Justess Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #46
121. Well said, ZeitGuy....
And, let's not forget that, at least in my own opinion, it's also about his showing such contempt for the will of the voters when he lost the primary, as a Dem, to Ned Lamont. The voters made their choice, but Lieberman refused to accept *their* choice. Feeling such a sense of entitlement to his seat that he thumbed his nose at the voters by, instead of accepting their choice of nominee, choosing to run as an Independent, instead. Since the Republicans had such a lousy candidate, it was through *their* financing and votes that he won reelection. What a snake!

Of course, no one ever said he couldn't become an Independent, for real. But it was just a means to an end for him. Now he's seeing the truth of that, for real, with his chairmanships being threatened. I said long ago that he should just at least be honest about where his true alliances lie - and join the Republican party. He's about as much of an "Independent" as I am.

He's really sunk his own ship with his latest, scummy tactics, though. The Dems don't need a mole, nor a traitor in their midst. He needs to go!

Peace &

Justess


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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #35
62. OMG!
Have you ever heard Lieberman on Hannity's show?? It's disgusting! He turned his back on his the Democratic party every way possible! Joe is no Democrat and don't you forget it.
Mr. "I'm Independent" Lieberman is on his own!
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #35
76. Didn't you get your answer to post 29?
How many times does it have to be explained to you before you get it? Or the rest of us get that your not interested in listening?:eyes:
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:57 PM
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81. The committee is also in charge of executive branch oversight
It is called the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. The reason Lieberman needs to be replaced is his complete dereliction of duty on that front. There is plenty that needs to be rectified regarding previously issued no-bid contracts to FEMA and Dept. of Homeland Security, and the performance of the Federal Reserve, for starters. His counterpart in the House, Rep. Waxman conducted a number of serious investigations into the performance of the Dept. of Homeland Security and the failures of regulation re: Wall St. with the hope of instituting important reforms*, Lieberman has not. It is not a matter of revenge, but of getting someone who shows the inclination to behave with the proactive integrity a Democratic majority will expect from the person with such a crucial oversight position.

*http://oversight.house.gov/investigations.asp?ID=234 and http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/house_oversight_committee_will.php
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #35
112. Welcome to DU.
Hope you're enjoying your stay.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:41 PM
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24. Thank you Senator!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:45 PM
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25. Great news!
Liebermann's response...."Go F Yourself, Leahy"!
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:47 PM
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26. Good on you Leahy
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:55 PM
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28. Way to Go Sen. Leahy
I would expect nothing less from a man who had the chutzpah to stand up to the Joker in TDK. LOL!
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:58 PM
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29. I'm not sure about this..
I think being on a committee like Homeland Security should be about more than just whether or not you support your party's presidential candidate. The question should be your ability to perform the task. I'd hate to see the running of a national security committee become more about politics than securing the nation. I see little reason Lieberman would oppose a Democratic agenda on Homeland security given that his disagreements are on foreign policy.

I just hope this is based on his ability to chair the committee and not just revenge for not supporting Obama. If most DUers had their way even moderates couldn't chair committees so there's no objectivity here.

Lieberman should only lose chairmanship on committees he can't or won't institute a Democratic agenda on.
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ZeitGuy Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #29
50. He supported the invasion of Iraq, not with any reservation, but with enthusiasm.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 06:14 PM by ZeitGuy
He also not only campaigned for McCain/Palin, but also for down-ticket Repugs. He went on the record to say that he was "fearful for this nation" if Democrats won control of the White House, Senate and House. He did nothing to investigate the disastrous handling of Hurricane Katrina. He's done nothing to exercise oversight of the White House, Defense Department or Dept. of Homeland Security.

In fact, given his bootlicking support of that freak Bush and the Repugs, and his criticism of and opposition to Democrats on many of the most important issues that we face, he has shown nothing but contempt for the "Demcratic agenda." There is a substantial risk of this @sshole going completely off the reservation and staging an anti-Obama witch-hunt.

There is no guarantee that, should he retain his chairmanship, that he will side with Democrats--on anything. He should be kicked to the curb, con brio...60-seat veto-proof majority be damned.

Inferior service and treason should not be rewarded. It should be roundly punished and Lieberman needs to be hung in the wind to twist, as an example of what happens when you f#ck your buddies for a percentage.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #50
85. Well said, but there is also no reason to expect him to reliably
provide the 60th vote for cloture against a filibuster, especially when law the Dems are trying to pass concerns withdrawing from Iraq, even if we let him keep his committee chair. We're hoping that getting a 60 vote Democratic majority to override an Obama veto will not be an issue.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #85
109. He Has Already As Much as Said He Will Vote With the Repigs on Cloture
He said having 60 Democrats in the Senate is a Bad Thing. We KNOW he will be voting AGAINST us on cloture every time.

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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #50
119. so all I'm hearing is..
1.) you want him removed as revenge for campaigning for McCain

2.) you want him removed for siding with Bush on certain issues

By the second standard no Democrat who supported the Patriot Act or Iraq war could be on committees.

Nonetheless you keep saying this is about punishment of Lieberman, thus admitting this is about revenge not his ability to be chairman.
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #29
68. The committee also handles Government Oversight
When he was running as an "Independent Democrat" Lieberman promised to vigorously pursue any and all complaints against the Bush administration. He didn't do squat! This is the guy who would be responsible for investigating any and all charges brought against the Obama administration by the Repugs -- and you can count on there being a LOT of charges. Is there any doubt that he'll hold hearing after hearing, keeping the administration tied up in testimony and producing documents.

It's not about revenge. It's about common sense. You have an apple and two men want that apple. One has worked his tail off to support your efforts, the other has stabbed you in the back at every turn. Which one gets the apple?

Leaving Lieberman as chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Government Oversight would be a major mistake on so many levels. Bye-bye, Joe -- you made your choices, now live with the consequences.
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enpassant Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #68
79. Senator Bernie Sander has also issued a statement
It's a blockbuster:

"To reward Senator Lieberman with a major committee chairmanship would be a slap in the face of millions of Americans who worked
tirelessly for Barack Obama and who want to see real change in our country," Sanders said in a statement.

"Appointing someone to a major post who led the opposition to everything we are fighting for is not 'change we can believe in,'" Sanders continued. "I very much hope that Senator Lieberman stays in the Democratic caucus and is successful in regaining the confidence of those whom he has disappointed. This is not a time, however, in which he should be rewarded with a major committee chairmanship."


"Slap in my face", it's the perfect line to send to those 16 Democratic senators voting on whether oust Lieberman from the judicial chair.

PS Where's the list of their names and when do they vote? Time to write. Wish one of them was in my state.




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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
82. He's clearly shown exactly that.
See my post #81 above.
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Libertyfirst Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #29
90. Has it occurred to you that foreign policy is related to national security?
With whatever respect is due, even Sarah Palin would recognize that connection. He has chaired the committee for the past two years and has done nothing. Furthermore, the rest of the name of the committee is governmental affairs. He did not choose to investigate one illegal activity of the Bush administration. Does that meet your criteria of lacking the ability to chair the committee. It certainly meets mine.

You sound as if Lieberman merely went on a talk show and endorsed McCain. Do you remember him speaking at the Republican Convention and standing there with McCain and Palin? He embraced McCain's decision to attempt to put Palin one heartbeat from the Presidency. Do you not recall his campaign trips with McCain? His lies about Obama? His lies about a democratic majority? Give me one good reason why any Democrat- conserative, moderate or liberal- should expect Lieberman to be anything other than the self-centered egoist that he has proven himself to be.

And just in case you didn't know, the senate is a political body, not a sunday school. Get the point?
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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #90
120. think again..
The committee on Homeland security isn't concerned with foreign policy but with securing the Homeland. So Mrs. Palin is the Homeland a foreign nation?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #29
98. If "instituting a Democratic agenda" is the criterion, he should be stripped of all posts.
He CAMPAIGNED FOR McCAIN- what could possibly show more
opposition to instituting a Democratic agenda?


Your CONCERN for DU's objectivity is duly noted. :eyes:
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PittDem Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:13 PM
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31. Kudos! The party needs to stand for something! Drop Lieberman!
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:14 PM
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32. Yay!!!
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:20 PM
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36. I agree
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 04:22 PM by florida08
Lieberman should have been doing his job instead of out campaigning for McCain. In Florida we do have a few good men. Congressman Wexler is one and so is Senator Nelson.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:21 PM
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37. Thank you Senator Leahy!
We will not accept low expectations of our new administration or Congress. We need to move the people's agenda forward and not protect little fiefdoms. Joe has been his own worst enemy.


:woohoo: for Senator Leahy!


Sonia
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:23 PM
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38. K&R Kudos, Senator Leahy. We are hungry for Dems with spine ...
... who will finally stand for something.

We have long memories. The Dems who cave in the name of congressional collegiality may find themselves in company of some Republicans who are getting their resumes together.

And although I am still basking in the glow of our electing a smart black man for President of the U.S., Mr. Obama is not immune, either, to facing a disillusioned electorate four years hence. Make us proud, Mr. Obama. Govern from the "Right," not the muddled and compromised middle, and not from any extreme.
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n0nesuch Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:38 PM
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39. Email Leahy and Thank Him
I just did.

senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:42 PM
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40. Now if the rest if congress
Can grow some backbone, maybe he will see that being a jerk doesn't pay! I wrote both my senators today and told them what I think, so now it's in their hands.
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:42 PM
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41. Please President-Elect Obama, send out a signal. . .
. . .to convey that "I may not hold any grudge BUT, fellow Democratic senators, Lieberman does not deserve A CHAIR . .

TWEAK THE SITUATION, PLEASE!"

Are you hearing us, dear President-Elect Obama???


It will set a definite tone of party control and principles.



Puleeeeeze, Sir!


:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:47 PM
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42. SPOT ON!
:kick::evilfrown: <-Lieberdunce
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:50 PM
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43. HUZZAH! for Pat Leahy. K & R!
n/t
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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:33 PM
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49. This is exactly what should be done.
Let us not have two more years like the last two from the Dems.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:46 PM
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51. Way To Go Leahy!
K & R!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:04 PM
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52. At least there is one sane and patriotic American Senator left.
Joe Fucking Lieberman spread the lies, fanned the fires to make war with Iraq.

What was the point of electing Obama if Lieberman remains over Homeland Defense in the Senate?

What was the fucking point?
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:05 PM
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53. As much as I would like to see him go
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 06:08 PM by Incitatus
Yes, he did some fucked up things, but if he will do what we tell him to from now on will it be worth keeping him?

If we need him to prevent filibusters, should getting our agenda through be more important than revenge? Should we see how the undecided seats turn out first?

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:08 PM
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54. We have Snowe and Collins who will not filibuster with the GOP.
And what makes you think for one second Joe would not join their filibuster.

He needs to go.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:09 PM
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55. That is my only conern. If we can't be filibustered, fuck him.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:26 PM
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78. He said he was "fearful of a filibuster proof Democratic Majority"
He said that while he was campaigning for Repugs and McSame.

I think we know EXACTLY which side he will take if he's the 60th vote, and it won't be for cloture.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:55 AM
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113. Thank you. This is a no brainer.
He's already made his intentions clear. He won't be supporting any Dem filibusters.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:17 PM
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56. Big Ole K & R !!!
:kick:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:21 PM
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57. Leahy has been fighting for good fight on the Senate Judiciary Committee while
Lieberman has been protecting * on Homeland Security Committee. We need fighters.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:38 PM
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58. I hope he is not alone n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:43 PM
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59. Gotta K&R this! I want the little
bastard gone, too.

Boot him out, boot him out, waaaaay out! Rah! Rah! Rah!
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:59 PM
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60. Here's to hoping he is the first of many. nt
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:08 PM
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63. Thank You Senator Leahy.
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hangman86 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:20 PM
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64. Finally someone grows a pair!
And by the way, Senator Leahy has two left testicles.

GET IT!
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Danchi Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:32 PM
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65. Conundrum
I understand why some Dems what to keep him in the fold, because they probably will need a majority to break a filibuster set forth by the republicans and his vote could be crucial. On the other hand, he's a traitor. He trashed his soon to be boss in the worst way. How do you work with someone who has done that? The Dem's are always going to have to have "eyes on" him 24/7 so I guess the question is: is he worth it? You need a good astrologer or psychic to figure this one out. My position is to find a way to strip him of power, render him valueless to the republicans and than send him on his way. If he tries to run for the Senate as a Republican, run a Bama Ram on him for any Democratic candidate that runs against him.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:42 PM
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71. Lie berman is going to continue doing what he has been doing...
voting with the dems on things that he would vote on anyway no matter where he is and being an obstacle on things that really matter to the dems. The dems are crapping in their hats and all of ours if they think Lie berman is going to all of a sudden become loyal to our side and the US of A ahead of Israel. He has proven exactly where he stands on most issues and he will not change, spending our blood and treasure to prop up a right wing in Israel. He will continue to vote and grandstand with the dems on cosmetic issues all the while trying to undermine us on everything else and that will be the extent of his loyalty. The dems who vote for this jerk are fools in fools clothing.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:04 PM
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122. No he isn't worth it.
We can find other people to vote with us. And he might anyway to keep his seat next time around. We should kick him out completely.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:35 PM
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66. Definetly, Senator Leahy!
I love your mind!:loveya:
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:37 PM
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67. If only there were more senators like Leahy.
The people who think Lieberman should keep his homeland security chair blow my mind. De-chairing Lieberman isn't even a risky stance, it just common fucking sense given that Lieberman is going to use his power to stab Obama in the back.

How many more knives do these people need in their backs before they decide to disarm their traitor?
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mattfromnossa Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:33 PM
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69. oust him!
good for you Senator Leahy.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:40 PM
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70. This is a perfect example of why I love Leahy.
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davefromqueens Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:50 PM
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72. Very Simple
If Lieberman wants to caucus with Democrats, then he has to play by certain rules.

He can be chair of a meaningless subcommittee where enough Democrats can overrule him if he sides with the republicans.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:54 PM
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73. thank you Senator Leahy, you are an honorable man....n/t
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:01 PM
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74. Senator Leahy, now that you some momentum
how about calling out, and pointing out, and calling for imprisonment of the crooks behind this banking bailout scam.
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enpassant Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:06 PM
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75. Lieberman holds no cards
Why can't the Democrats see this? Switching openly to Republican almost surely ends his Senatorial career. It's too risky to caucus with the Republicans and expect to win in New England and switching parties almost certainly kills his chances.

Vote him off this judicial committee where he is not aligned with the Democrats and where he is not aligned with the American public which voted overwhelmingly for change. He represents "more of the same" on this committee.

Offer him some other chairmanship in some other area where he is aligned with the Democrats. It's the pragmatic thing to do, it's a friggin no-brainer. Joe may not be happy about it, he might even turn it down (doubtful, remember he holds no cards) but at least, in the spirit of bipartisanship and forgiveness, the Democrats bent over backwards trying to reach across the aisle by offering him another chair.

Damn this is easy. Why are the Democrats so weak?








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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:22 PM
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77. I hope they kick him out. Time for him to become Republican.
He's been a Republican too long.
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penndragon69 Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:56 PM
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80. May all the Libercrates
burn in republican obscurity!
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:07 PM
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83. I'm Torn
Yes, Lieberman is a traitorous asshole. Yes, he's a regular on Hannity and every other thing I despise. But what will booting him accomplish other than firing up our base (DU) and flipping his vote to the other side? Personally I hate the motherfucker but I don't really get how we're going to have 60 votes to actually accomplish something unless we keep our enemies close. Someone educate me.

:beer:
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:13 PM
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86. See my posts #'s 81 and 85 above
And thanks for keeping an open mind.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:49 PM
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96. links? n/t
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:36 AM
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102. Okay, here
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:35 AM
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126. thanks for the links--here is one for you (not that you need it)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4443694

rachel had evan bayh on the other night--he said he just wants joe to apologize (kiss, kiss, all will be forgiven. blah!)and if he doesn't behave the dems can remove him from chairmanship once everything gets underway.

the following night she said something about (having been told, read, i forget) that if lieberman opens an investigation on obama and the dems try removing him it might have to go up for a full senate vote which could be filibustered! so, basically, if that asshole starts the session as chair he'll probably get to keep it throughout.

joe must go!
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:18 PM
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88. Oh yeah, and there's also my journal entry on the subject
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zelta gaisma Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:09 PM
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84. I actually had to ask my husband..
if Lieberman was Dem or Rep . He acts like a rep but he ran with Gore so I was totally confused of course the 3 glasses of wine that night had *nothing* to do with it :D
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kmdemqueen Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:15 PM
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87. gee some good news
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:44 PM
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89. Schumer & Durbin want him off it too. .
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:09 PM
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91. If lieberman has illegitimately attacked Obama, he's not fit to be in Homeland Security.
He's a risk.
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russ1943 Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:31 PM
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93. It's not holding a grudge,
Removing Lieberman from his chair position (and I would add preventing him from assuming any other chair) isn’t holding a grudge, vindictiveness or vengeance but appropriate.

There’s a difference.

This is a leadership issue.

PE Obama can go on record as requesting and supporting Lieberman remaining in Democratic caucus and saying nothing else.

A committee chair in the US Senate has too much power, influence and resources. He’s not being investigated, censured or kicked out of the Senate or even off of those (3 that I know of) committees. He’s still an elected Senator who has turned his back on the Democratic party, won office as an Independent and campaigned for the Republican candidate and said some less than kind things about our President elect.
Lieberman has made his decisions, taken his actions and can continue to do so.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:33 PM
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94. Pat don't take much shit, now do he.
I truly hope he can somehow get Chaney before him in sworn testimony.

Priceless.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:34 PM
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95. kicked heck yeh! Lieb doesn't want Dems to have fillibuster proof Maj
Lieberman commmitted an act of betrayal.

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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:56 PM
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97. Yes !
It's payback time Benedict.Give this weasel the kick in the butt he deserves!
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:14 AM
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99. 'Nuff said. Now show Traitor Joe the door!
He stabbed Obama in the back, and added insult to injury by campaigning against our downticket candidates on the campaign trail. And now he wants his knife back. What possible benefit is Lieberman to the Democratic party? Forget about the value of having 60 seats if Lieberman is counted as one of them. He cannot and should not be trusted or relied on. Excise this cancer, NOW!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:17 AM
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100. Bernie Sanders is calling for Lieberman losing the Chair
Sanders is a socialist but he caucuses with the Democrats.

Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, said he hopes Lieberman will remain in the party caucus and work to regain the trust of those he has disappointed.

"To reward Senator Lieberman with a major committee chairmanship would be a slap in the face of millions of Americans who worked tirelessly for Barack Obama and who want to see real change in our country," Sanders said in a statement. "Appointing someone to a major post who led the opposition to everything we are fighting for is not 'change we can believe in.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/leahy-first-dem-senator-o_n_143912.html
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jerryster Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:43 PM
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124. Check out reply 103.
I suggested that Lieberman leave the country and take this guy with him.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:56 AM
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101. Vermonts Senators get it!
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 05:29 AM
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104. Thank you, Senator Leahy.
Lieberman should suffer the consequences of his despicable actions and if he decides to slither to the other side, good riddance.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:35 AM
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105. Thank goodness. Lieberman should be gone- enough is enough. nt
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:46 AM
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106. Hooray for my Senators! Leahy and Sanders! Vermont rocks!
I love my state.
I can only hope that when (and I don't want him to) Leahy retires, HOWARD DEAN steps up to the plate!

What a great place to live, with awesome representation!

(and everyone keeps asking why we have a Repub governor -- because a very strong independent keeps running along with a strong Dem and the votes are split -- nobody seems to want to explain on t.v. -- but that's the problem here... hope somebody works on it ... soon)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:51 AM
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108. Gaye Symington a strong dem? NOT. She ran a for shit campaign
and anyway Douglas won with 56% of the vote in a 3 way race. People here like Governor Milquetoast. Not sure why, but there it is.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:44 AM
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116. You're right. I was being kind to say Ms S was 'strong' and I do NOT for the life of me understand
understand anyone voting for The Governor Who Isn't

I don't have t.v. and I only listen to VPR, so I missed all the ads and such.
I heard Symington on VPR. She's always seemed OK.
I heard the Gov touting "privatization of Social Security" and I about fell off my couch.
What a boob. Oh well, the best I can say is... he doesn't do anything, so perhaps that will work for us?

Anyway... hoorah for the best 3 votes in the US Congress!!!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:49 AM
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107. I propose a 21 gun salute to Mr. Leahy fired directly into Lieberman's fat ass.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:13 AM
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110. Put him incharge of licking envelopes for a job well done!!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:52 AM
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111. Glad I saw this in time to rec it.
Let's hope most Dem Senators agree with Leahy.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 10:25 AM
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114. YES, YES, YES!!!!! Let's hear it for Pat Leahy!!!!!`
Bravo....:applause:

K&R for Sen. Leahy!!! :hi:
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:22 AM
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115. Joe must go!
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:07 PM
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118. May the Lord bless and keep Liarman... FAR AWAY FROM US !
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