CNN NOW - VOTING MACHINES ARE VULNERABLE TO FRAUD

[Pallas180]

crediting Johns Hopkins University with the find after
they found computer code posted anonymously on the net

[Pallas180]

1. also showed Cindy Cohn of Electronic Frontier, Inc saying same

thing..

but not our Bev Harris

Bev. Call up CNN with your info. The time to strike is
now!

[Eloriel]

14. Bev is behind the whole thing, Pallas

See some of the threads from yesterday in GD.

Eloriel

[Pallas180]

15. Oh good. Thanks Eloriel-hope they do more detail re fraud committed

:hi:

[DUreader]

20. EVERYBODY TAKE ACTION NOW!!! HERE IS HOW!!!

GO TO THIS LINK AND FOLLOW AL'S SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=84234&mesg_id=84234&page=

[0007]

26. Please put the link on this threat, 'eh?

thanks

[goobergunch]

2. The CNN folks said there was "no evidence" of voting fraud...

yeah, right. :eyes:

[spotbird]

3. Has anyone looked for evidence?

If their waiting for confessions it may be some time until there is evidence.

[DUreader]

5. CNN part of the VNS consortium? I think they are/were

No Evidence of exit polling for sure

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence as the whores love to say

[Pallas180]

6. I think/though Bev Harris has evidence - can someone find her?

.

[Eloriel]

19. Pallas --

Chill, baby. ;-)

The whole thing is going to come out little by little. I promise you. Bev's on top of it.

Eloriel

[blm]

9. yes, they were.

I don't know what the current situation is since VNS was disbanded.

[stickdog]

24. CNN was very much a part of the VNS failure SCAM.

And I still haven't gotten a straight answer from either them or VNS about why the VNS data has never been released.

They collected the exit polling data, but said they had a problem analyzing it to predict outcomes. That said, the data has always served another important purpose -- to analyze trends among different voting groups long after the results were in.

But almost 9 months later, this data still hasn't been released.

I've been asking for this data for 8 1/2 months and NO ONE has ever given me a straight answer about why it has never been (and almost certainly will never be) released.

[goobergunch]

29. Yes (n/t)

[bvar22]

That's the COOL THING about electronic voting fraud....

....NO EVIDENCE.

If it can happen, it will happen; and probably already has happened.



On Edit: Kudos to Bev.

[FreakinDJ]

4. The repukes are being cornered on every front now

How can anyone be so stupid as to support thes theives. They have beem systematicly taking away our rights and freedoms one by one

[Pallas180]

7. FREAKIN-are you calling and faxing that to your REp & Dem reps?

if not talking to the choir does no good

I dont e mail them they dont read it, you just get auto
responder back. I call or Fax. FAX best.

[DemBones DemBones]

12. True! We must be the squeaky wheels if we want them to hear

this. Bev Harris, DemActivist and others (nostamj ? TruthIsAll?) have brought this issue to the attention of the people at Johns Hopkins who did the study and now to the media.

In a way, it doesn't matter if past election fraud is proven, but it matters a great deal that these machines are not used in future elections. In 2004, I want to be given a paper ballot at my Georgia precinct . My precinct had, by the way, always used paper ballots prior to 2000. . .

[nostamj]

8. they *mentioned* the Saxby Chamblis "victory"

that was sweet.

as for anyone who's concerned about Bev not being interviewed... DON'T

she's getting major attention and when the book is ready AND when the majors have had time to complete their homework AND when Diebold has dug their pit deep enough... I'm sure you'll see and hear her. VERY sure.

[Trajan]

10. Direct evidence of fraud isnt very important ....

.. unless you are trying to convict a criminal .....

(Lets not discount the possibility of "Rob Georgia" and the other known system files combining into an observable fraud case ..... it hasnt been positively and absolutely discounted yet ..... )

Since Democracy is ONLY as safe as the integrity of the ballot box, only the mere POSSIBILITY of Fraud is enough to EIGHTY-SIX those systems .......

HUGE Kudos to Our Bev: ...... it was HER diligence, and that of a number of DUer's amongst others, that propelled this HUGELY important story to where it is going now .....

THANK YOU BEV ! ! ! .......

DU directly helped in developing this story .....

I stand in sincere awe of the power of this medium ........

[spotbird]

11. Tell me about the "Rob Georgia" file

this is all new to me. Did the folks at Johns Hopkins look at it also?

[0rganism]

13. it was the name of a patch directory on Diebold's ftp site, iirc

Dunno if the JH folks know about it.

The tale of the ftp site merits its own thread, and you'd want Bev's take on it.

[Pallas180]

16. how original. "Rob Georgia"- as good as the Nazis keeping records

of everything they did.

[DEMActivist]

17. Rob Georgia

Here's the interview explaining the RobGeorgia file in depth.

Put a pillow under your jaw before you start reading....

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/robgeorgia.htm

[Trajan]

18. I would recommend a visit .....

to

http://www.blackboxvoting.com ... Which is Bev's website ...

I found these on google 'rob-georgia.zip'

Bev's reference ... http://www.blackboxvoting.org/robgeorgia.htm

and another reference here ... though THIS site is more generalized about the whole issue .... http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/dieboldftp.html#whatweknew

Note that in the ending paragraph, the writer explains that SINCE the Diebold system wasnt 'connected to the internet' and was instead updated by hand-carried and loaded PCPMIA media, that THIS 'fact' somehow refutes the possibility of fraud .... This is Diebold's official position .... yet it is weak for these reasons ...

1) ANY file that is designed or altered to defraud an election tally can EITHER be transmitted directly through an internet connection, or through a 3rd machine interface: since IT may be connected to the internet, IT can download the questionable update files, and then transfer them to the portable media, which is then moved and loaded by hand into the touch terminals or central vote tabulators ....

WHICHEVER mechanism is used: . the problem is the loss of custody control of allegedly 'certified software' ... the mere fact that the system 'isnt connected' doesnt mean it isnt being altered with files from the FTP site without federal and state oversight ..... Apparently: Georgia WAS updated with new files the day of the election ......

2) Another weakness is Diebold's contention that the files used in the study are an 'older version' ..... or that it isnt proven to have been used in actual tallies .... well: a) SHOW us the software that was 'actually used', and we would GLADLY scrutinize the REAL code used ... problem is: that want to hide their code .. and in a true democracy, this simply cannot be allowed anymore ....and b) the specific structure of the software, as it is designed .... inst 'fixable' without a major restructuring ...... there are no easy fixes to the problems revealed by Johns Hopkins ... They are lying if they imply such a thing ......

Have fun reading ..... there is TONS of this stoff ....

Google "Black Box Voting" "Voting Machine Fraud"

[spotbird]

22. Thanks everyone!

My head is spinning already.

[Epoch]

21. Holt's bill

Hey all,
Now is the time to act. A professor at my college and I are going to team up and get signatures to get our representatives to cosponser Rush Holt's bill (NJ-D). I go to school in Steny Hoyer's district and if we can get him, I expect more democrats to jump in as well...we already have Van Hollen and Wynn on board. Let's each do this in our states/districts.
In the next few days I will create a cover letter and petition sheet and post here for people to copy. My goal: 600 signatures from each district in the state of Maryland. If I can get a few more people with this goal with in MD, we are golden. If you can do this in your state, we will win. First Steny Hoyer and Ben Cardin, then the rest. I know we can do it. I'll get back to you all with more info in the coming days.

Epoch

[Pallas180]

23. EPOCH post it on ACTIVISM so we can copy for our states, the machines

are all over the 50 states.

[Epoch]

25. will do...

Will do. Give me a 2-3 days to get this thing created on my day off from work. Then I'll send it to my professor and let her read it. Then onto DU and then onto victory!

In the meantime everyone should call their representatives independently and let their voices be heard about supporting Holt's bill.

thanks!
Epoch

[goobergunch]

30. Good idea...

remember that the bill is H.R. 2239.

[peabody71]

27. Excellent news!

Don't be fooled thinking that just because Bush may be defeated that the American public ultimitely chose the Dem candidate via their Vote.
Fraud in the primaries is a very real possibility.

[Jester_11218]

28. Great coverage of this topic here

http://whatreallyhappened.com covers this vital topic very well.

FYI,
Jesse

[undergroundrailroad]

31. Fraud potential found in e-voting systems

Fraud potential found in e-voting systems


By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Posted: 26/07/2003 at 07:46 GMT

If ever there were an application where open-source software should be mandated by law, electronic voting has got to be it. The benefits of a simple user interface for a populace confounded by the intellectual demands of punch cards are obvious.

A well-designed and transparent touch-screen ballot system with proper cryptographic protections and a robust auditing mechanism would go a long way to avoiding recount debacles like the one in Florida that made the 2000 elections so intriguing. Unfortunately, the systems that state and local governments have been throwing taxpayers' money at are closed, poorly protected against fraud, and lacking in adequate auditing features.

Such is the conclusion of a group of university researchers who got their hands on some of Diebold's e-balloting software. A recent study by Tadayoshi Kohno, Adam Stubblefield and Aviel Rubin of Johns Hopkins University and Dan Wallach of Rice University finds that the Diebold system lacks basic fraud prevention features.

The team examined unencrypted source code from the Diebold AccuVote-TS voting terminal which was recently posted on the Web, apparently leaked inadvertently by the company in an unprotected FTP directory. The terminal software runs on Microsoft Windows.

[goforit]

32. Well what do ya know CNN?.,.....WOW!!!!....Can't believe this!!!

This is unbelievable that that would place this on the news!!!

Can the Voting machines really be rigged????

We need a fingerprint with every vote documented!!!!!!
That way there will be less rigging!!

[kayell]

33. Are Johns Hopkins researchers connected to Bev?

or did they start researching this seperately? I know I should know, but haven't followed the story as closely as a should.