Sarah Palin Blamed by the US Secret Service Over Death Threats Against Barack Obama

[CoffeeCat]

Source: UK Telegraph

The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.



Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html

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I'm stunned. Just stunned by this. Before this article came out, and before "Newsweek"
reported that Michelle Obama was terribly concerned about the level of hate instigated
by Palin at these rallies--I told my husband that Michelle Obama looked different. She
looked stressed and like she had gained weight. I thought she looked as if she had been
'stress eating'--but I attributed this to the stress of the campaign. As it turns out,
in October, the Obama family was given several warnings about increased death threats
to Barack--that were in part catalyzed by the hatred and rancor incited by Sarah Palin
herself.

Damn. Just damn. We all heard Palin's venom. We all witnessed those rally audiences.
They acted like animals. McCain finally had to tone down the vitriol.

This makes me so sad and so disgusted. Michelle Obama deserves a medal. She so graciously
allowed her husband to run for President, and has agreed to share him with the nation. It's
obvious, from her appearance and her demeanor that she was troubled to her core. However, she
never complained, and never gave a hint to her pain and fear. She soldiered on--for her
husband and for the country. I'm just so sad that all of that pain was because of
Palin--a horrible, selfish, vacuous woman--who I hope is shamed into the darkest corners of Alaska
for the rest of her life.

[baby_mouse]

1. Well, I'm relieved that the US Secret Service are taking this kind of thing seriously.

Gives me some hope.

[DUlover2909]

22. Those guys are the best of the best. They take their jobs VERY seriously.

I have no doubt that they will protect him better than any other security crew in the world, and they will go to their graves before they let POTUS or the 1st Family get hurt. No worries here.:patriot:

[ngant17]

34. They didn't do so well for JFK

in fact, most of them were at a drinking party the night before they were scheduled to protect the President in Dallas, Nov. 22, 1963.

[eShirl]

41. most if not all of those agents would be retired or dead by now

[RollWithIt]

45. Actually, all of them were gone within 10 years...

I watched a documentary on the JFK assassination that talked about what happened to the secret service afterwards. It was turned upside down and completely reformed.

[defendandprotect]

113. Many of them seemed to be cooperating co-conspirators ....

but THAT Secret Service clique were never held responsible --

they helped open the door to full throttle fascism as their racist instincts were

were appealed to. At the time, the Dallas police force was 50% KKK...

[leveymg]

281. Most of JFK's personal Secret Service detail left in the months leading up to Dallas.

I recall an ABC special report aired a decade ago based on Sy Hersh's The Dark Side of Camelot that interviewed several members of JFK's personal Secret Service detail. One of them remarked that most of the guys who had been guarding Jack asked to be reassigned in the Summer and Fall of 1963. While it didn't connect the dots, the same documentary also went into Jack's womanizing, which the Service officers facilitated, particularly the President's affair with a East German woman, Ellen Rometsch, below, who the FBI believed was an intelligence agent.



Jack was accused of sharing secrets with this woman, and the affair became a scandal in Washington inner circles. See FBI Memo, 10/28/63, below. The woman was bundled off to Germany by Jack's political operatives when the story started to leak. See, http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E3D91239F93AA35752C1A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

If the Secret Service actually believed there was "pillow talk" of that kind, that would explain the fact that JFK's most trusted bodyguards left him. We all know the result.

At the very least, the Rometsch accusation was an integral part of a cover-story for the many, and more complex, motives for killing him.

[RollWithIt]

43. Most of the current ones weren't even born yet!!!!

Gees.

[defendandprotect]

116. The long-held lesson is that the "guards" are always open to conspiracy ...

corruption --

[quaker bill]

44. Not so good for Reagan either

as I recall it

[democrat2thecore]

49. They only saved his life and took bullets for him...that's all.....nt

[JI7]

92. Reagan would have been killed without them

[quaker bill]

287. and from all reports

was nearly killed with them. I hope for better results.

[defendandprotect]

117. Chapin also is shaping up as another patsy/Manchurian Candidate ....

[ngant17]

132. Who is Chapin? never heard of him/her

is this someone in the Secret Service?

[1monster]

Perhaps he meant Mark David Chapman, John Lennon's assassin.

Never, ever to be confused with Harry Chapin, one of the best songwriter/story tellers ever.

[defendandprotect]

193. John Hinckley, Jr. -- apologies -- can't edit --

Chapin was a Nixon aide, I think-???

[kayakjohnny]

46. They were told not to do so well for JFK, by some or many people in our gov at the time.

Have you ever seen the tape of the agent running next to the car who gets called off to stand down, and he shrugs and makes gestures, like WTF? And how can you compare this to something that happened all those years ago?

[Joe Chi Minh]

51. And an SAS expert said that the body-guard who should have been right at Reagan's side was way

out of position, much too far from him. Strange level of amateurism for a pro. And Reagan is said to have never been "his own man" again; playing golf or something like that most of the time. If I remember the article I read correctly.

[Dennis Donovan]

181. Reagan was hit by a bullet that ricocheted off the limo...

Timothy McCarthy did put himself between President Reagan and himself, and took one in the abdomen, so the system worked in that case.

[Joe Chi Minh]

293. Well, I can't imagine what that SAS expert was talking about then.

[raysr]

330. My therory is Reagan wasn't

doing enough of the BFEE's bidding so he needed a little "shaking up". Hinkley's and Bush's,long time pal's. Neil was supposed to have dinner with them the following evening. Or was it Jeb?

Secret Service have their "little demon's" in their heads just like the cops.

[Jim Sagle]

52. The trouble with videos like that is that we never know if they're real.

[Submariner]

54. FYI: JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

[kath]

324. That video is chilling, to the max. What the HELL was going on there??

creepy.

[Joe Chi Minh]

55. I think things have changed a lot lately. I'd be surprised if they weren't 110% on

Obama's side now.

[man4allcats]

76. Re: "how can you compare this to something that happened all those years ago?"

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

[defendandprotect]

119. ...because the "guards" are corruptible ... not once, but always to be

considered possible.

Little can be done UNLESS you first weaken the protection ... turn the "guards" --

[democrat2thecore]

48. And things changed A LOT after 11-22-63 --nt

[ngant17]

118. as the French say: "the more things change...

the more they stay the same."

Yet, I would like to think that there is adequate protection for Obama above and beyond what he gets the Secret Service, but after 9-11, I would think that we need more than a "reinvigorated" Secret Service for his complete protection.

For example, we know that the almighty Pentagon is not even capable of protecting itself from a direct attack by a conspiracy of terrorists (whoever they were) on its own backdoor in Washington DC. There was a serious amount of indecision in critical seconds by responsible people in government when those hijacked planes were circling Washington DC and adjacent areas.

So really, after the incredible lack of security evident from the 911 attacks, it is not unthinkable that there could be an inside job/coup against Obama, and could it come from compromised Secret Service agents or DHS agents?

Perhaps what's really protecting Obama is the thought of VP Biden (and Pelosi) taking over, if he was suddenly assassinated by something more than your usual lone nut with a lucky shot or two. We won't be left with some dopey Texas hick (and faithful servant of the military industrial complex), as we got from LBJ after Kennedy was taken out. In our case today, it ought to be "out of the frying pan, into the fire", if there is another internal conspiracy this time. At best, the smart conspirators might end up in a sort of stalemate this time, they would not be turning back the clock, at worst there would be a serious backlash against the right wing extremists and any renegade CIA black ops who would likely be behind some of these shenanigans.

[defendandprotect]

120. They'll be trying to control him immediately .. getting the word to him probably

even by now as to who is really in control --

[CoffeeCat]

138. You've hit on a note that I wondered about...

What really goes on behind the scenes? Who really is in control, and how
much power does the President really have?

And if it's true, that the President is taken to a room and told "This is how
things are going to go down", how do they control that President?

It sounds like the stuff of conspiracy movies. However, when you see the Dems
and Reps working in tandem to pull off what has happened in the past eight years,
it really makes you wonder just what in the heck is really going on.

Imagine...being a true patriot and a Constitutional scholar, and being led into
a room and told that it's all an illusion--in which you will be playing the
starring role.

If it's not a movie...it should be.

[defendandprotect]

191. "..how do they control that President?" ...

From what I've read/noticed .... Carter could tell us a lot ...

he tried to and they pulled the sound for 20 mins as he talked w/no words coming out --

Obviously, they used the heat of hostage situation to "swiftboat" him ...

And put on new NIGHTLINE/Koppel show every night to keep it going...

Few topics are as incendiary among public as hostages/POW's and that's why

governments don't usually admit to their POW's still held when a war ends.

The hostage situation echoed those feelings.


THEN .. there's the question of the failed Carter rescue attempts --

Ollie North and another like him (was it Secord?) headed them up--!!!!


AND then the pretty much proven "October Surprise" -- which, btw, Gates played

a major role in...


Additionally, it's suggested that Carter was sent a strong message in regular and repeated

reports to him of planned assassination attempts -- until he pretty much had to consider

them suggestions of what they would do to him if he persisted ...

I think he stll tried and was repeatedly betrayed--!!


CLINTON -- you probably lived thru --

How many crazed gun nuts firing into WH from sidewalk area--?

A small plane actually flying into WH close to bedroom areas --

Helms' comments/threats in Senate --

Limbaugh inciting to violence --

They were attacking him before he took office -- and then it NEVER stopped--

"Christian" right was more powerful then -- a bit weaker now, I hope!


REAGAN ... some say after attack on him Bush became president ...!!!


NIXON was a vicious and murderous man who evidently thought his handlers/owners

wouldn't act against him cause he knew too much -- whether they needed to get

rid of him -- (he seems to have been psychotic) --or whether his own arrogance

and not well-hidden criminality caused his downfall, I don't know ...

The Dems seemed to have been gaining info on '63 coup on government/JFK --

and the plan seems to have been to PLANT info that Dems were taking $$$ from

Russian Communists ---

and, too, back up scandal of Dems using prostitutes --

[ngant17]

211. I suppose the "Mighty Wurlitzer" can turn off the sound

as they might choose. I vaguely remember the audio going dead on Pres. Carter's speech, although I've forgotten the details of that story. Anyone recall the specifics?

"...the CIA "uses far more resources in its propaganda operations than any single news agency.... In fact, the CIA propaganda budget is as large as the combined budgets of Reuters, United Press International and the Associated Press."

Sean Gervasi. CIA Covert Propaganda Capability. Covert Action Information Bulletin, No. 7, December 1979 - January 1980, pp. 18-20.

[CoffeeCat]

220. That's all very interesting...

...and seriously--it sounds like the backdrop of a good movie.

With what has happened in our government--it gives a person pause
and room for a lot of doubt about what is really going on.

The questions is...who are "they?" Who are the behind-the-scenes
people who are controlling things? How in the world could a decent
person not collapse under the weight of being President--and discovering
that all of the Americans you just met and made promises to--are the victims
of a massive coup and fraud?

I didn't know that about Carter's 20 minutes of silence, in which the sound
was pulled. I never heard about that. I was pretty young and not
paying attention to politics at that time. Any other info on that, would
be greatly appreciated.

It's interesting that you identify Republicans (Nixon, Reagan) as Presidents
who are victims of these people, not in cahoots with them. I've always been
under the impression that the nutjob wing of the Republican party (neocons)
are the real devils who have their claws inside the powerful groups who
control much of the corruption and profit from it. I've always seen the
neocons as being at the epicenter of all of this--with Progressive Dems
and some Republicans being victims.

Who knows...it's hard to decipher it all.

Thanks for the interesting post.

[defendandprotect]

244. Let me correct ...

It's interesting that you identify Republicans (Nixon, Reagan) as Presidents
who are victims of these people, not in cahoots with them.


quickly any impression I gave you that Nixon or Reagan weren't deeply involved
--absolutely knowingly as in Nixon's case ... or simply a dishonest man as
REAGAN moving to the side of $$$/power because he could early on not stand up
against it, or felt threatened by it, himself --- one way or another...
The Reagans -- personally -- seemed to have wide eyes on wealth/comfort.

But Reagan was no Altar boy ... I think he would have defended 'n supported
a coup on JFK as a "Commie" ... I think he may have at least been sounded out
on sympathy for such a plan. May not have been presented in other than terms
of JFK being a threat to nation. Remember, Reagan also worked for the ultra
right-wing/fascist GE -- his bread 'n butter.


In NIXON's case, I think he misunderstood his power to blackmail those elites
he did murderous work for and their willingness to act aggressively against him --
and I think he knew pretty much ALL of the most recent history because he was an
active participant in it --
and I think he also didn't recognize in time he was becoming vulnerable to losing
control of those underlings who had done dirty work for him and capable of blackmailing
him ... Howard Hunt, for instance.

At that point we still had something left of liberal courts
-- not positive about press -- whether story was actually arranged to be given
to Woodward to unseat Nixon or whether WAPOST was out there alone on story--
oddity of McCord involvement and his "confession" -- not really sure.


The question is...who are "they?"

THEY are the same people/gene pool Founders dealt with - elites --
and the hand's on gangsters who serve them - those with the know-how.
Large corporations ...wealthy who control our natural resources --

THEY control the secrets and wealth/power .. obviously, much wealth/power comes
from phoney drug war. This is an old game/enterprise.

What secrets are higher than that ...?
Reality of Global Warming one danger for them they've been busy hiding --
ET's .. ? IMO ... yes.

"Information is power" ...controlling and hiding it provides a way to control
and manipulate public.

Re this ...

I didn't know that about Carter's 20 minutes of silence, in which the sound
was pulled. I never heard about that. I was pretty young and not
paying attention to politics at that time. Any other info on that, would
be greatly appreciated.

I actually watched it happen ... and given the propaganda that so successfully made
him look like a fool, the fiasco of the sound loss simply looked to me at the time as
ANOTHER Carter administration failure and Immoved on rather than truly questioning
how this could be happening. I didn't wake up until 1988--!!!
Check memories here, but I don't think press ever challenged idea of such a thing happening--???

Re this ...

I've always been under the impression that the nutjob wing of the Republican party (neocons)
are the real devils who have their claws inside the powerful groups who
control much of the corruption and profit from it. I've always seen the
neocons as being at the epicenter of all of this--

Yes -- current identity of those controlling the highest hill agreed -- neo-cons/PNAC.
But for 50,000+ years it is patriarchal violence which turned world upside down...
and gave authority to their "male superiority" with underpinning of organized patriarchal
religions. They used Bible to cement patriarchy.

M8ch power came from derived oppressing the MAJORITY gender --
Patriarchal religion has had numerous enemies -- women, homosexuals, Jews, pagans,
native peoples, Africans -- all to be exploited.

"Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion over Nature" are the religious licenses to the
elite to exploit nature, natural resources, animal-life --and even other human beings
according to various myths of inferiority.


PS --

Read about attempted coup on FDR ... elite/corporatists, including Prescott Bush-
Nixon's mentor.

(Also see "Brig. Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler/"War Is A Racket!!"
He was also whistle-blower on FDR coup.)

AND, If you watch "All the President's Men" be sure uncut --

[democrat2thecore]

274. And if you believe all this - you're crazy -nt

[kayakjohnny]

288. Good point there. And one could only imagine his reaction.

Yes, what does go on behind the scenes?

[jhrobbins]

335. I read that some government official(perhaps someone here knows)

said that if an assasin was willing to give up his life in the attempt, that thwarting an assasination would be very difficult.

[Imagevision]

360. And things changed A LOT after 11-22-63 - right, they then did MLK then RFK...

[democrat2thecore]

362. Excuse me? Neither one were protected by the Secret Service!

In fact, it was Bobby Kennedy's assassination that brought about giving protection to candidates in the primaries.

[rambler_american]

75. because they were ordered to stand down

See this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022

[sandrakae]

96. They learned a lot from that. I can't see us ever going through something like that again.

Heck one through himself in front of Ronald Reagan and took a bullet for him.

[defendandprotect]

121. Dream on ....

[lunatica]

166. I saw a documentary on the evolution of the Secret Service

If you recall JFK was riding in an open air convertible down public streets that weren't guarded by SS. You'll also notice that it was the last time that has happened. Presidents travel inside bullet proof special made cars that are like armored tanks. They actually have a chasis that can withstand a minor bomb blast as well as solid steel sides and roofs. Those cars travel with the President to other countries too, and they weigh so much it takes a crane to put them into the transports that carry them.

The SS has always grown and learned and evolved based on the last assassination or attempt at one. What we don't see at those public rallies is the incredible security around them. There are SS on all the rooftops, and on every floor who have checked out every single room within eye shot of where the candidate will be. That's why it's such a hassle when the President travels to any town. Whole Avenues and neighborhoods are shut down and controlled during the visit.

[backscatter712]

182. Yep, I've seen some of their security measures.

It's not only Secret Service, but hundreds of local cops. Everything from beat-patrolmen walking the crowds to cops on horseback, K9 units with bomb-sniffing dogs, SWAT teams with enough weapons to arm Bolivia.

There is a hell of a lot of security around Obama events, and Obama himself I've seen riding in a big black tour bus, probably highly modified with window glass that's six inches thick and enough armor to withstand anything short of a nuclear blast. They don't fuck around.

[jxnmsdemguy65]

221. yep, just finished reading Abraham Bolden's book...

"The Echo from Dealy Plaza".... about a black Secret Service agent who complained about the lax security around Kennedy and was convicted on trumped up charges and sent to federal prison and damn near destroyed in retaliation... interesting book that came out this year.

[Realityhack]

355. Don't forget that open topped car wasn't the idea of the SS. even at that time. n/t

[haydukelives]

169. that was then

this is now, things are different.
President Obama (say that out loud, sounds so good!)
will have the finest security anywhere.

[Merlot]

203. That was definatly a different era

Can you imagine any president now being allowed to ride in a convertible?

Things are very different now. They have much better tools to fight any attempts at the presidents life.

Personally I'd rather believe they will keep him safe.

[bertman]

216. There were two agents who were supposed to run alongside the Kennedy limo, who were

there to shield him from assassin's bullets or to give physical cover to him, but both were ordered to stay beside the car following behind Kennedy's. Several accounts say they tried to do their job and had to be ordered back to the following car after protesting to their superior.

No doubt there was complicity with the assassins by someone in the Secret Service that day. Who ordered it and why is still not known or has been kept as another state secret among many related to the JFK assassination.

On edit: Oops. I hadn't read down far enough to see the videos showing those incidents.

[kestrel91316]

226. Things have changed in 45 years.

[rucognizant]

302. No they haven't!~

GHW bush is deeply involved, he's still with us.........and marvin, jeb, & neil are brighter than their brother & still there, ( Not to mention uncles & cousins) With the support of Rev Sun Moon, convicted for tax evasion filthy rich ( his company may have been the distributer for the last seafood you ate!: big money maker seafood distribution; like BEER!) crowned King in the Senate Dirkson Bldg in the summer of '04!

[Spiffarino]

276. Kennedy insisted on having an open car

There wasn't a lot they could have done once that decision was made. They couldn't have swept the entire route by the time the motorcade began.

[Realityhack]

353. Very good reply.

Had things gone as planned the secret service service would have prevented that assassination with the use of the armored glass.

[rucognizant]

301. They were probably handpicked!

A lot of powerful men were involved in that asassaination!
It is saod that one of the RFK gunmen WAS a secret service man!

[mentalslavery]

311. Contact the media

contact the media, click on my journal to find out how

[Imagevision]

359. JFK was an inside job

[SpankMe]

352. Why aren't they arresting Palin, then?

There have been at least a half dozen stories over the last five years of young teens (14 and under) passing in homework assignments (or posting to their MySpace pages) with artwork or creative writing that contained references to violence against Pres. Bush. The Secret Service was all over these.

It's great that they're catching on to these white supremacist assholes whose actions appear to be motivated by over-the-top Republican rhetoric. The USSS remains one of the "cleanest" and most effective security agencies in government.

But, if you can get arrested for merely using the word "bomb" in an airport - even when referring to a bad night club act - then why can't Palin be charged with inciting violence? Where can I get this kind of deferential treatment?

[ngant17]

364. Best of the best? What about that SS agent soliciting DC prostitutes

you know, the one who just got busted by Metro police today, I wouldn't qualify him as having the calibre and judgement to protect Pres. Obama.

I'm starting to really worry about his safety in the White House now.

[Faygo Kid]

95. They better be good. The reich wing continues to whip up a frenzy.

Somebody on the reich has got to condemn Limbaugh. It's never happened, but he's out of control with his hate.

I don't care who it is, but maybe Gingrich can take him on. Hannity won't, nor will the coward O'Reilly, by name.

[bulloney]

142. If they're going to hang the increased threats on Palin, Limbaugh, et al deserves their fair share

of the blame, too and need to be reprimanded.

Poor little Sarah. Seems like everyone's unloading on her now that she's of no value to the McCain campaign and the Republican party.

My question is when will it be Joe the Plumber's turn.

[lunatica]

194. A friendly visit by the FBI would tone down a lot of the vitriol

Maybe they'll make a few house calls in the next weeks. That would tone it all way, way down. The screaming banshees Limbaugh is really a coward.

[lib_wit_it]

255. Oh, that's something I'd love to see. Though the Rs would have

a field day of I-told-you-soing about Obama's plans to be a dictator (along with Socialsit and Marxist and Communist and Constitutionalist and all those other -ists.) I'd say, "Good, let 'em worry," but with them stocking up on firearms and all, I don't know what to think. But, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Palin, and McCain, too need to feel some of the fear they are manifesting with their hate and lies.

[1Hippiechick]

334. No, no, no, no, no. McInsane chose her or, if his handlers did, the end result is the same:

he couldn't "handle" his handlers, nor Sarah's, nor Sarah. Speaks VOLUMES about his INABILITY to lead or take control of a situation, IMO. It makes them touting themselves as 'mavericks' that much more laughable.

And think how it looked to the rest of the world. THAT, "my friends", is a reflection on the good ol' USA. ANY chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Not only is the RepubliKLAN party the weakest link, they FOUND the missing link in Sarah Palin and JtP, imho.

[1Hippiechick]

336. Have you seen this 2-part film on YouTube about the consequence of Hate Speech?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTmsHe36do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs5hUsrlUck&feature=related

[fasttense]

284. Did you notice the glass surrounding the Obamas at his acceptance speech?

I suspect it was bullet proof glass or some kind of shield. I think the SS is working hard to protect our new president.

[mentalslavery]

310. Contact the media

Contact the media, click on my journal to find out how

[mentalslavery]

313. let the media know

that they are have to take responsibility for what they have started. This is how I am going to handle the treats and false accusations. Hopefully the MSM will fill obligated to pressure McCain/Palin to make a formal statement.


Like me, some of you are trolling RW-blogs and are aware of the on-line hate speech directed toward Obama.

We must let them know- The world is watching-They can affect history

First, please collect the hate comments everyday, everyplace you find them, and include as much information as you can, permalinks, site managers/editors/and any relevant information. Please organize the information by blog as well as post or comment section and put it in a word document attached to an email.

Second, Lets create a non-stop righteous flood of emails to every media outlet possible.

I am including this statement (welcome to use it or get some inspiration);

Over the course of this campaign the world witnessed a man who promised to help us come together. He traveled almost non-stop, inspiring people all over the nation, fostering a new spirit in America and abroad. What we witnessed on Election Day has never occurred in human history-global celebration and unity.

For that reason, it saddens me greatly to inform you that the disturbing pattern of hate and violent rhetoric towards Obama still exists, and might be growing. This attachment contains the offensive websites and comments found. Please read through this and make some type of live announcement.

Despite hopes to the contrary, it seems many people are convinced that this man is the enemy and a terrorist. It seems clear that such reckless and frequent use of strong labels during a time of war against our commander and chief-elect has the potential to disrupt the chain of command. Undoubtly, it is possible that family members of the deployed armed service members might hold such beliefs and quite possibly the deployed themselves.

During the election season, the self-interested justified the discussion of lengthy narratives that invoked imagery of terrorist acts or foreign subversive identity merely for the sake of recounting and creating fear. False questions, stated as a means of implying the existence of unknown plans, as well as �associations� have served to distort some about how this country might change. In addition to fears about war and economic crisis, new fears are emerging about those who might be un-American. However, he did not fail us but we are failing him.

Despite the slanderous tone, demeaning references to previous service, this leader demonstrated restraint, patience, and forgiveness during his acceptance speech in which he reaffirmed his commitment to the care and protection of one American.


I had the instant feeling that things were going to get a little better and that the first crack in a significant barrier opened let a little light through. Like a gravitational force pulling me off my couch transfixing me to the screen, a celebration broke out that electrified the globe. People were dancing and crying and hugging, masses in the streets of large cities, an international moment of collective joy and peace emerged, and I could not believe what I was witnessing. I never realized that level of unity was possible, to share a moment of �global closeness� like that, was powerful

The dancing and joy was the celebration of the long journey to a different type of politics, one virtually none of us initially believed in, a type about us and not the power of a leader, one more kind and honest, in which we over come cynicism and doubt, and say yes we can. There has been much discussion about race and its significance in this election and also evident is the realization that an inspirational figure promised us that if he could run a campaign that treated everyone with respect and dignity then the American people would elect him as the next president, and we did.


Former non-believer

[Kurovski]

2. K&R. (nt)

[the blues]

247. Love that sig pic

:headbang:

[Xipe Totec]

3. Prosecute

I'm not kidding. She should be prosecuted.

[Happyhippychick]

9. I agree 100%

[lib_wit_it]

12. I completely agree. Prosecute her for hate speech. But then, we

can't even get Bush, Cheney, Rummy, etc., prosecuted, so good luck with that.

Arrrggggggghhhhhhh! I guess she's inspired a little hate in me too--I hate her. She's an equal opportunity bile factory.

[Xipe Totec]

17. We're going to have a real Attorney General come Jan 20th n/t

[defendandprotect]

123. It could have been Elliot Spitzer --

[Xipe Totec]

128. Not bloody likely!

I'd go for Patrick J. Fitzgerald

If not as AG, at least as independent prosecutor.

[defendandprotect]

177. I mean Spitzer BEFORE the scandal --

His head has always been screwed on very well re government/Wall St corruption --

Spitzer was headed towards saving us from a lot of stuff we're going thru now re economy ...

WH stopped him --

[JDPriestly]

213. Not Fitzgerald. He failed to call or to indict Cheney in the Plame matter

although he knew very well that Cheney was behind it. He could have called Cheney as a witness at the very least.

[JPettus]

263. He wanted to

But was blocked by lack of testimony from people like Scooter Libby. Hence the charges of obstruction of justice and perjury on Libby (who was then pardoned by the criminal Bush admin.)

Fitzgerald went as far as he could obtain compelling evidence.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

346. Commuted, not pardoned.

Just sayin'.

[catrose]

139. could have been John Edwards

[Lena inRI]

171. And that should be Vincent Bugliosi. . .

. . .CARPE DIEM !

http://youngturks.wmod.llnwd.net/a591/o1/7-14-08Bugliosi.wmv

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bugliosi

With just this one selection, President Obama says he is serious about upholding the U.S Constitution and the unequivocal pursuit of justice.

Of course, Obama should announce this appointment as close to 1/20/09 as possible.

:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

[Xipe Totec]

176. Not a bad choice!

:thumbsup:

[Occulus]

257. Seconded

Manson prosecution

As a Los Angeles County Assistant District Attorney, he successfully prosecuted Charles Manson and several other members of his "family" for the 1969 murders of Sharon Tate and six others. He lost only one of the 106 felony cases he tried as a prosecutor, which included winning 21 out of 21 murder cases. He later authored (with Curt Gentry) a book about the Manson trial called Helter Skelter. The book went on to be the biggest selling true crime book in publishing history with over 7 million copies sold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bugliosi

[ToolTex]

331. Announce Bugliosi for AG today and watch how fast W gets his a@@ to Paraguay.

[MessiahRp]

217. Personally I want Jonathan Turley

He would kick ass and take names.

Rp

[rwenos]

15. Hard to Win these Cases

The test is did Palin advocate "imminent lawless action." By "imminent" the courts have historically meant "RIGHT NOW."

The classic case I read in law school was where some rocker screamed at a crowd at a street rally "After the concert -- let's take the streets later!" Advocacy of lawless action, certainly. But not advocacy of IMMINENT lawless action.

On the other hand there may be federal statutes with particular reference to presidential candidates, which I would not know. I defer to experts out there.

[JetCityLiberal]

23. Yes

:thumbsup:

Paul

[Delphinus]

24. And it should be front page news.

Everyone should know what she's done - have it spelled out in plain, simple English.

[Doodler71]

74. I agree. I hope they would, but dout it will happen.

[zonmoy]

178. I agree

I wonder why she isnt sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial for incitement to murder or conspiracy to commit murder.

[MNReformer]

267. Absolutely. It is a hate crime.

Why should they be allowed to get away with this? If it isn't prosecuted and made unlawful, they can continue to instigate violence.

[Catamount]

277. She should be forced to tell her 'pals' from her rallies that she was wrong

and that she now realizes it. If she had the power to drive those yobbos that crazy --she has the power to reverse it too. She could have her redemption that way. I'd say prosecute and jail her if she doesn't comply. Inciting violence is a crime isn't it?
It's disgusting, she's disgusting, but I'm trying not to dwell on all these negatives too much right now.
I've lived through all the assassinations and attempts...and can't do it again.
For what that's worth.
K&R

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. They knew exactly what they were doing

They knew it, and they didn't care. The hate-mongering, the incendiary language, the challenges to Obama's "patriotism," all the code language used, they knew what they were doing.

People yelling out "Kill him!" at rallies, and their rather pallid denials that they hadn't heard them. The simple fact that not once did John McPOW come public and say, "Stop this. Stop the namecalling, stop the rabblerousing, stop the hate language."

Not once.

Palin might be taking the heat right now, and she fucking well deserves it, but McPOW is just as culpable.

Thanks, Karl Rove. What a beautiful legacy you've left, along with the stench of your presence in all those campaigns.

[Raschel]

40. I agree they knew exactly what they were doing. From picking Palin to

campaigning in mostly White areas. They had it planned all along. Appeal to the bigot vote.

It was as plain as day from the beginning and I have posted over and over as such.

[glinda]

249. I can see what you mean

and that would be the beginning to build up the basis for the next election. They also will have time to dig up all sorts of garbage. I think it a HUGE mistake to not pursue taking Palin down politically. She will be used and she is dumb as a rock and wacko. She needs to go even when she is in Alaska. She needs to go.

[Overseas]

98. That's why I was so mad at the corporate media for covering it as just politics as usual.

They'd just cover the Palin rallies as though it was no big deal. They'd cover the snarling and stuff but wouldn't denounce it in no uncertain terms.

All reporters should have been condemning the hate inducing speech she was using at her rallies. They should have condemned McShame as well.

All reporters should have at least told audiences-- there they go using the Ayers thing even though Ayers has been vetted by the ANNENBERG FAMILY, prominent Republican donors and found to be worthy of their investment. Unless Republican legislators are going to return all the contributions they received from the Annenbergs, Palin and McShame should drop that line of attack.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

144. Absolutely

It was like I was living in a parallel universe. I could see the wrong that was taking place, but the press just passed on everything.

There's a book you might want to read. It's called "So Wrong For So Long," by Greg Mitchell, who's editor of Editor & Publisher, and it's a master compendium, with commentary, of how the "press" collaborated with Chimpy Fucknuts in the Iraqi invasion, pretending that there really was a reason for it, instead of calling it the unilateral invasion - INVASION - that it was.

It's really a brilliant book.

[Overseas]

318. And "What Liberal Media?" shows how deliberate the campaign has been

to push the public media to the Right. It has been a deliberate, coordinated campaign for decades, involving right wing think tanks and funders. www.whatliberalmedia.com

A more fun romp through right wing world is "Blinded by the Right" by David Brock. That's an exciting trip with David as he worked with right wing groups to smear the Clintons. Then why he left their fold.

I WATCHED THE PRESS COLLABORATE with the Bush administration to push the war. I knew from all the articles in the international press that the war was being falsely promoted. That's why I was so mad at the Democrats that went along with it. I knew there were no WMD from what I was reading. I knew Sadaam was supposed to be our bulwark against Iran. I knew Osama hated Sadaam because he didn't follow fundamentalist Islam but allowed people more freedom, especially women-- they could work and drive and things they could never do in Saudi Arabia. So it was indeed astonishing to see all the networks pushing the war. And I've read studies of the pro-war vs. anti-war guests and commentators on the TV news chat shows-- it was a huge disparity. The Bush Administration has used the now-conservative-owned broadcast media as its own propaganda arm for seven years now. I'm sure Greg Mitchell had a lot of material to choose from.

I'll check out this interview with Greg Mitchell on Democracy Now to learn more about his book
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/24/so_wrong_for_so_long_greg

[Tangerine LaBamba]

327. Excellent interview

It's inspired me to read the book again. I need my sense of outrage, which has been rather dulled by the events of last week, recharged.

You know, I take a lot of cabs, and I always talk to my drivers. Most of them are from Iran, Pakistan, or Afghanistan. They all agree that the US was mad to invade Iraq, that we're deathly hated for it (and quite rightly, I might add), that Americans will never understand the Middle Eastern mentality, and that Saddam Hussein was doing a necessary job in the only way his people would understand. He did what he had to do, and was the only secular buffer between Iran and the rest of the Middle East.

What Chimpy Fucknuts and his thugs have done is beyond criminal, beyond immoral. I don't know the word. I only know my outrage.

Thanks for that link. I hope you read the book.

[defendandprotect]

126. It was the ONLY way the had left to win--!!

Very ugly idea but in another sense, it should help us see that we've

done them a lot of damage --

Let's keep at it --!!!

;)

[Haole Girl]

5. What people should not forget is how much McCain was a part of this, too

That being said, Sarah Palin's karma is already coming back to bite her... you betcha. ;-)

[Believing Is Art]

6. What if . . .

What if President-Elect Obama had not won on Tuesday? What would have happened if he'd lost his Secret Service guard the next day?

[lib_wit_it]

18. OMG, that was visceral. Wish you hadn't brought that up. Now I'm going to vomit, cry, or both.

Probably both.

[denverbill]

7. It's not just Palin. It's the whole right-wing hate machine getting geared up.

Just reading FreeRepublic in the days leading up to and just after the election was scary. Those fuckers were seriously coming as close as you can get to conspiring to violently overthrowing the government.

I seriously think Congress needs to hold hearings on this shit. How is Rush Limbaugh de-humanizing liberals and Obama any different from what Goebbels did to the Jews?

It's one thing to question your opponents policies and have a civil discourse, but it's another matter altogether to call your opponent a terrorist, and Limbaugh, et al, have gone even further, saying that liberals were a BIGGER threat to the US than terrorists. We've already seen one right-wing nut gun down innocent, liberal church goers for nothing more than the crime of being liberal, and he was loaded to the gills with right-wing books from Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. When screeching propagandists like Limbaugh dehumanize and demonize Obama and Democrats/liberals generally, why should we expect America's right-wing crazies to act any differently from the right-wing crazies in Nazi Germany?

The public airwaves are supposed to be used for the public good. Inciting violence and hatred is as far from the public good as it's possible to be. Either Limbaugh and his ilk need to reform, and stop their hate-filled rants, or they need to be taken off the air.

[The Wielding Truth]

It was obvious that releasing the hounds was an ill willed act.

McCain himself was guilty of fanning the flames of bad intent and should also be held responsible for the ratcheted and frantic worry and fear during this campaign.

I am sickened as you by the lengths the republicans have gone to undermine our President-elect. They are not worthy now of trust or credibility.

The lies that they perpetuated have harmed our Democracy and our unity as a nation. It is counter to our Constitution to follow any of the spokespeople from any Republican Party who gives no accountability for their actions.

[denverbill]

62. Quite honestly, I think McCain surrendered to a lot of pressure from right-wingers.

I honestly don't think he wanted to start campaigning dirty, but he was losing and needed to motivate the types of people that get roused up by hate-mongering. He did it out of desperation. That doesn't absolve him of his guilt though. And he is one of the people that needs to get out in front on this to end it.

But when people start buying up guns and talking about saving their country from a Marxist terrorist (meaning Obama, somehow), it's gone way beyond too far. When Shrub stole the election in 2000, did you see a run on guns? Did you hear threats of violent revolution or assassination? I sure as hell didn't. I heard some talk about protesting and complaining to Congress, but AFAIK nobody on the left went over the top, and if there were any, they were in a tiny, tiny minority. But that kind of talk is commonplace among the right-wingers now, and it's being whipped up by Limbaugh and his ilk because there is nobody to stop them.

[The Wielding Truth]

71. Is it the pressure that is guilty, or does a man have a choice?

When does someone become responsible for their actions? Their bad judgment and their decisions?
How much damage to the have to do?

Harm was done and how many have already paid, and how many will continue to pay for his recklessness?

I hold him accountable. Whose campaign was it? Who was it's leader?

[xochi]

190. I agree. If McCain wasn't in charge of his own campaign,

then who was? And what does that say about what kind of "leader" McCain would've been in the White House? The Rovian and PNAC warmongering RNC puppetmasters who got Bush into power are the same individuals who took over McCain's doddering campaign in July and reshaped it into the racist, divisive, fearmongering campaign it became. People keep saying that McCain is a "good and honorable man," that Palin is being unfairly victimized, etc.--but if they had won the election, do you think that the real power base behind Bush would really have shifted into something substantially different? The "hope" that Obama talks about rests in his belief that his election is not about him but, rather, the American people. His win represents an enormous shift toward a more democratic government, which is a 180 degree turn from the last eight years.

[The Wielding Truth]

214. We are really on the same page. Palin is also not blameless.

McCain plucked her little ambitious soul out of nowhere, but she showed herself as mean and vicious. If she had a Christian spirit she would have not done and said the things she did. If she had been a true woman of the people she would have not hurt our country with her divisive rhetoric. She worked hard to make many people very angry and that is not helpful when the argument is based on loose associational relationships and half truths.

The residual anger that both of them left in their wake will take a long time to dissipate. If they really put country first they would write public statements and email all their supporters and tell them that what they led them to believe was all negative guess work with no basis in reality. That their ill thoughtout words should not lead anyone to doubt the quality and leadership that Barack Obama can bring to our American Democracy.

They should do this alot now and progressively less as time goes on until inauguration. That would really help heal the wounds and fear they have promoted.

[kath]

326. When anyone tries to tell you that McCain is "a good and honorable man", have them read this:

Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

You might also have them check out the website of Vietnam Veterans Against McCain

The man has ALWAYS been a scumbag asshole.

[sabrina 1]

39. Congress was made aware of

the results of hate-speech from the rightwing noise machine by Tom Daschle during the election in which he lost his Senate seat to Coleman. He made a passionate speech on the floor of Congress regarding the death threats he and his family were receiving as a result of Rush Limbaugh's endless attacks on him. Threats that involved 'bombing' his home airc. He had every reason to fear having been one of the Dem Senators to receive Anthrax, coincidentally during the time when he was questioning the Patriot Act.

All that happened after his speech to Congress that I am aware of, was that Limbaugh and his online ditto heads mocked him even more for 'whining' to Congress and circulated pictures of him in baby clothes.

Of course that was a Republican Congress. With this report, maybe it's a good time for the new Congress to take up the issue of hate speech against Liberals or people perceived to be 'liberal' in the context of whether it fits within the hate-speech laws, especially when it results in physical threats as it did with Obama and Daschle.

Also, is it possible to file a class-action suit by 'liberals' against hate radio hosts who engage in the 'dehumanizing' of their political opponents and also for false charges of 'treason' against those they disagree with? Taking their money might be one way to stop them ~

[Webster Green]

81. Their hate filled crapfests go beyond freedom of speech..

They should be taken off the air! :thumbsdown:

[llmart]

133. May I ask a question?

Isn't it the sponsors who in reality keep him on the air? If no one would sponsor the program, would there be a program? Would boycotts help? Obama won by a huge mandate so couldn't organizations such as Moveon.org or even DU get the word out who to boycott?

I have never once listened to this blowhard - only have to overhear it sometimes when my ignorant neighbor has it blaring in the summertime.

[RamboLiberal]

192. Yeah I for one would like to see lists of who sponsors these

programs. When the jerks like Rush go over the top and rabble rouse to the point they are threatening the safety of our president (or other members of the government) IMHO emails/letters to advertisers and station managers can't hurt. As well newspapers should be written to as well.

[intheflow]

93. I'd like to see that, too.

These are the people who are creating a terrorist society, not anyone on the left. The irony of it all gives me a headache.

[defendandprotect]

130. This is the violent r-w becoming visible ...and they're the people McCain/GOP actually represent--!!

[alarimer]

145. And all the stories about these people buying uo guns frightened me too.

Because it says to me that some of them at least are planning something. But a lot of the extreme right-wing (NOT Republicans in general, some of the fruitcakes are libertarians) is a threat. They are fascists in nature. If Hitler were here, these guys from Free Republic and other places would be the storm troopers. Palin is a demagogue.

[Frustratedlady]

163. Amen!

[lib_wit_it]

8. Alaska is too good for Sarah Palin. Let her go far, far, away, to

some country that lets religious fanatics like her control the government. Perhaps she'd be happy in Saudi Arabia. Oh, wait, if she'd be happy, it's too good for her.

I'm new here, so I'm trying not to get all foul-mouthed right off the bat, so I guess I can't really say what ought to be said about that egomaniacal one-woman hate spew.

And she has the nerve to call the press "mean spirited"! Why, I oughter...

[Wapsie B]

20. Well no one here will blame you for going off on her.

She needs to be arrested. The Secret Service needs to have a full investigation.

Welcome to DU!

[lib_wit_it]

245. Thanks! It's good to be here. n/t

[drmeow]

32. Actually, Saudi Arabia is a GREAT

place for given how their religious fanaticism causes them to treat women. Give her a little taste of the flip side of what she advocates.

[Jackpine Radical]

33. Welcome to DU.

I think you're gonna like it here.

[lib_wit_it]

250. Me too. I've been reading DU for months now. Just never got around to signing up. n/t

[pnorman]

57. "Saudi Arabia"! Funny you should mention that choice!

n/t

pnorman

[lib_wit_it]

258. Ha--I've been meaning to get me a copy of that Saudi Arabia travel poster!

Such a perfect table-turn on the old rw "Love it or Leave it" dismissal. Man, that would be so cool if they would all fuckin' choose "leave it."

[pnorman]

266. I spotted it here on DU yesterday.

I CAN'T spread it around enough!

pnorman

[TommyO]

112. I wonder how many burqas $150K (or more) would buy?

welcome to DU!

[lib_wit_it]

261. Now would that be a Sears Burqa or a real burqa (Zappa for the

21st century.)

Thanks for the welcome.

[B3Nut]

300. Who's Palin jivin' with that Cosmik Debris?

Right on man, right on!

Welcome from another Zappa fan!

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

[lib_wit_it]

366. Thanks! I can't take credit for being a huge Zappa fan, though if

only by ignorance and omission. I've had some friends who've turned me on to what I do know--Suzy Creamcheese and the Sears Poncho bit always come to mind first, but I've heard enough to know that I love his spirit and fearlessness. My husband has a pretty strong background in Zappa, though. I'll have to get him to drag some out of the basement stash of thousands of LPs!

[tclambert]

155. Afghanistan. How many burkhas will $150,000 buy?

[lib_wit_it]

251. Depends--from Neiman Marcus or "Out of the Closet Upon Threat of Death"? n/t

[WritersBlock]

296. I'll say it for you if you want. She's a vicious, hateful, spiteful, arrogant, ignorant bitch.

Btw, welcome to DU. :)

[lib_wit_it]

367. Well, I was thinking of a lot more words my mother would be

offended by, but you described Palin very accurately. I used to be infuriated that Repukes didn't seem to mind how smirky Bush was, but this one, they cheer her vicious, hateful, spiteful, arrogant, ignorant bitchiness! I'm sorry that I am not above this, but I must admit that I wish horrible things upon her. HORRIBLE things.

[tekisui]

10. It was obvious. She should suffer an arrest for this.

[MichiganVote]

11. K&R

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Those rallies were race baiting

pure and simple. Palin is the most vicious and open hater I have ever seen on a major political stage in this country.

[lib_wit_it]

262. Exactly! The brazen disregard for the fact that "real" Americans don't

engage in that shit. Of course, she's claiming she's not really like that.

"If there's a role for me in national politics it won't be so much partisan," Palin, 44, tells the Chicago Tribune while waiting in line for coffee at a Wasilla café. "It will certainly be a unifier-type of role."
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20238438,00.html?xid=rss-fullcontentcnn

I know!! Can you believe she would even try to act like we didn't see the "real" Sarah Palin in her hate-filled rumor mongering?! Please, please, please let a moose "field dress" her!

[jwirr]

14. McCain may have told her to tone it down but I do not remember her

listening and McCain did his share of this shit.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

16. When you drill down into what she was saying...

And if you even casually follow the ins and outs of the hard right and white supremicist movements(and there are several strains of that scabrousness out there, cross-pollinated but with certain unique aspects all their own), and if you followed that up with the ever-reliable reportage of David Neiwert, the true expert on racism and right-wing radicalism, especially in the Pacific Northwest, then you would have known that much of what she was saying, presumably off-script, was dog whistle words to the really virulent and most radical and potentially violent members of the right. The real crazies.

Neiwert predicted much of what would happen in this election on the right, if Obama got the nom, and he really hit his stride with Palin. Neither she or her past associates were unknown to him, nor was their doctrines.

These are bad people. Very bad people. Do not make the mistake of thinking that now the election is over, they will just fade away. The genie is out of the bottle, and Sarah Palin did it consciously and with malice aforethought. What will be interesting, in the fullness of time, is whom, in the McCain heirarchy, gave htheir approval for this, wither actively or tacitly.

A lot of them knew exactly what they were doing. We headed them off at the pass this time. We have to remain vigilant.

[lib_wit_it]

28. Absolutely. I'm sure you know about the cross that was burned on the Obama supporters' lawn the day

after the election. It was in New Jersey. I guess I'm ill informed on this stuff, because I was surprised it happened in Jersey. I think I got that off HuffPost, so I'm assuming reports from anywhere else in the US would have been noted as well.

I guess it's not just the deep south anymore. Hell, are there any AAs in Alaska? I'm thinking not many or we'd have heard more about the racism up there.

[frogcycle]

67. correction

"I guess it's not just the deep south anymore."

It never WAS "just the deep south"

The crap in Boston and many other northern cities over busing in the 60's proved that.

The Klan was founded in Indiana.

Oh, and welcome to DU. You'll find that people nitpick a lot. :)

[Athens30603]

80. Thank you for saying that

I'm so tired of "The South" being a scapegoat.

[defendandprotect]

136. True about Boston ...absolutely ...

however, think we have to recognize purposeful division and exploitation in using

busing as an issue in impoverished neighborhoods in order to successfully harm that

method/tool of creating integration --

[lib_wit_it]

252. Yeah, I knew that might be asking for trouble, but it is the impression

I have, so, though I'm a nitpicker myself and so can't complain anyway, looks like this is more substantial than a lil ole nit. I guess I'm pretty clueless on the KKK. But then I was shocked when Ohio went for Bush back in the bad ole days. I've never paid as close attention to an election as this one and I've got a lot to learn about more than just the KKK.

[AllentownJake]

292. Klan wasn't founded in Indiana

It was under total control and the greatest Klan "success" if you call bigotry success in the 1920s. It also brought down the downfall of the Klan when the Klan leader there brutally raped and murdered a woman (white) and the news hit. It than went about killing the Klan because the chief "virtue" :puke: the Klan expressed at the time was protecting white protestant women from the others :puke:

The second coming of the Klan came from Georgia.

[frogcycle]

304. I stand corrected

Pulaski, Tn. initial founding
Nashville, Tn. first "Grand Wizard" appointed (N.B. Forrest)

This site is clearly spinning like mad on the "why" (unruly Negroes, Carpetbaggers, and scalawags forced this 'innocent club' to take defensive action) but may have the "where" and "when" correct.

http://www.kkklan.com/briefhist.htm

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

97. Yes I am.

That occurred quite near where I live and I have met the couple in the past, at Dem events. Up in that neck of the woods, and it is close to Sussex County, there is a rather healthy population of real right-wing hardliners, as there is in Warren County and in Hunterdon County.

Trust me: I was not surprised. We may be close to NYC, but the dog-whistle words are heard here, distressingly, especially amongst the young, although hardly exclusively.

[enough]

29. Thanks for the headsup on David Neiwert. Just checked out his blog.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/

[puebloknot]

31. We need a dictionary of "dog whistle" words so progressives ...

... will get it! Because liberals pride themselves on being high-minded, they often don't see what is going on right under their noses.

[RoyGBiv]

280. It's not just the words ...

Focusing on individual words gets you off track because the words used, in and of themselves, are either innocuous or have multiple meanings. Further, the words change.

This is intentional.

What one has to learn to notice are the images conveyed by the use of certain words and phrases, images that invoke deep seeded prejudices to varying degrees depending on the group targeted. The images themselves often have multiple meanings, which is, again, intentional.

Let me use an example:

Inner-city.

What image comes to mind for you?

When I hear "inner-city" I see decaying infrastructure, poverty, and crime, and I think this is where our efforts in education, development, and assistance for various things needs to be focused.

When, for example, an Aryan Nation disciple hears "inner-city" he or she sees black people, crime perpetuated by black people, drugs bought and sold by black people, riots by black people, etc. This is what the disciple fears, and this person is convinced what needs to be done is some variation of walling it off into a ghetto reminiscent of Poland in the 1940s.

Studies have been done on the use of various words and phrases such as this in news stories, editorials, etc. over the years. They've become code that means different things to different people. It's a "dog whistle" in the sense that a certain targeted reader/listener "hears" a certain message.

"Inner-city youth" is code for "roaming gangs of minority kids bent on killing or otherwise harming decent members of society." However, it is also blandly descriptive, used by the left, right, and middle for various purposes.

Having said all that, do either of the above images accurately reflect the "inner city"? What, in fact, is the "inner city"? Is it downtown? What is downtown? You see where I'm going, I'm sure ... Inner-city can also mean areas like downtown Oklahoma City that were once largely abandoned, rotting structures that were rebuilt and commercialized. This was accomplished by a coalition of business and social community improvement organizations actually trying to do something good. Mission accomplished.

But, the "inner-city" remains, but it has gone elsewhere. Where?

Per the dog whistle, it's wherever the minorities are.

[CitizenPatriot]

69. can I copy what you wrote and post it on Digg? nt

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

102. Sure.

I don't care, Point them for more good stuff to the site Tace and I run: http://worldnewstrust.com

[CitizenPatriot]

106. thanks - I will do! nt

[CoffeeCat]

154. You have to wonder then....

...just what in the hell is going on in the Republican party. A contingent of the party
is trying to destroy Sarah Palin via the media. They're leaking all sorts of disparaging
information, and they're not letting up.

It's supposed to be the McCain camp, but I would put McCain and his ilk in alignment with
the rest of the Fascist neocon gang.

It's difficult to understand what is going on. If Palin is such a water carrier for the
sociopathic contingent in the Republican party (Kristol, Bush family, Cheney, Wolfowitz,
George Schultz, Baker, etc) then why is she being destroyed? Isn't McCain part of that
gang? He wasn't a signator on the PNAC documents or letters, but he seemed to toe the line
for their every idea in the Presidential election.

Evil is complicated. I need flow charts and colored pie graphs.

[OnyxCollie]

174. Thom Hartmann was speculating that Romney and the Mormons

are trying to take down Palin so that Romney will be the candidate in 2012. He cited the big financial support of Prop 8 by Mormons as an effort to "legitimize" Mormons in the eyes of the religious right.

Sounds plausible.

[lib_wit_it]

265. Another thought, however, is that they're getting it all out in the open now

so that when they run her in 2012 she'll be bullet-proof to any surprise attacks. But then, I'm just now getting familiar with this game. I was so naive as to be shocked that Obabma wasn't winning in a landslide from day one after his nomination. I really thought my stupid hillbilly relatives and co-workers were a pretty much the exception to the general rule in terms of what most Americans believed in the 21st century! Those subterrainian Bush poll numbers had me fooled.

[brindis_desala]

201. She's just too dumb to run ... but the wingnuts luv-er.

Mucho problemo for the globalists...

[liberalhistorian]

205. Wow, your last line

is sig line material. I never quite thought of it that way, but it really is true in a lot of cases. Especially with the nutball supremacist haters and bigots. That world is a multilayered hell all its own.

[xochi]

279. Yeah, it 's not clear to me either.

That Romney idea sounds plausible, and he's a team player. But he's a Mormon, and Palin DID get the extreme right-wing racist fundy base all worked up, which is what the Repugs wanted, but she then turned out to be too ignorant, too personally ambitious, and too much of a loose cannon, a "mavrick" (sic - sign seen at one of her rallies) even for them. Her drawbacks turned out to be greater than her advantages, but I think at least some of the Repug strategists feel that she can be trained/coached/controlled enough to be a viable figurehead in 2012. For now, though, they need a scapegoat, and they need to punish her and put her in her place. They need someone who's popular with the fundies, with a low I.Q.--like George W.--to retain their evil control. I dunno--I'm just speculating....

[foxfeet]

19. K&R

Hate speech is hate in action.

[graywarrior]

21. She needs to take full responsibility for this

[McCamy Taylor]

25. Palin calls it sexism....I call it fascism. She is a Hitler wanna-be. Read's MeinKampf

for inspiration. The Classic Comics version, that is.

[bjobotts]

56. Totally agree.She was making Obama an enemy traitor deserving of hate

[bjobotts]

58. Like it would make you a hero to kill this "secret terrorist traitor"

[bjobotts]

61. And she still says it.She cultivates hate and violence as being patriotic

[bjobotts]

64. She's dangerous in that she just wants the applause and attention no matter how.

[newtothegame]

26. Is Palin seriously still our front page story? n/t

[Haole Girl]

She's made enemies with the press....

not the smartest move on her part. Then again, she never did seem like the sharpest tool in the tool shed. ;-)

[defendandprotect]

141. No --r-w/GOP hatred and violence is our front page story --

[AngryOldDem]

283. Yes. She bears watching.

2012 is no joke. The far right is pissed. Crazy pissed.

[brer cat]

27. They can't run on issues...

it's all fear, terror, hate. I'm disgusted that American politics has degenerated to this point. The contrast with Obama couldn't be greater...he debated issues and strongly shut down booing directed at McSame & Failin at his rallies. How horrid that he and his family will live in fear because of this piece of trash!

[bulloney]

159. That's one of the benefits of Bush leaving office. I forgot how positive and inspiring a president

can sound until I've heard recent speeches from Obama.

With Bush, all you get is, "Be afraid. Terrorists wanna kill us and destroy our way of life. They're everywhere and they want to attack us any time."

Cripe, he was saying as much in his presidential address today.

Seven years of this kind of talk gets you fed up with this pall Bush and his Republican enablers have cast over this country.

[Ken Burch]

30. Once again...why did it take a FOREIGN paper to break this story?

Has OUR press still got any reason at all to be intimidated by the GOP(or, for that matter, by the "Sarahcens"?)

[hvn_nbr_2]

38. Our press isn't intimidated by the GOP. It's owned and controlled by the GOP.

Functionally, it is part of the GOP.

[Window]

90. Exactly. Our press is a sorry bunch.

[defendandprotect]

143. Wow... didn't notice that -- UK report---!!!

[Princess Turandot]

290. The article appears to come in its entirety from the Newsweek 'inside' serial

from traveling with the campaigns over the last year. Unless I missed something, no one is quoted independently of that article.

[JohnnyRingo]

35. I remember when she toned it down a bit with the terrorist crap

It was right around Halloween. I Mentioned to someone that "I bet the SS told her that she could look culpable if something happened".

I forget what she started attacking him for then.

[hvn_nbr_2]

36. At some point, the Secret Service is going to make a very public example...

of some wingnut incitement tool. Said wingnut incitement tool is going to have a very unhappy life for awhile, and I'm hoping it's a long while, on the order of twenty to life.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

209. It'll be a re-invigorated newly non-partisan Justice Dept. that will do it. . . nt

[ebdarcy]

37. Is there anything she can be charged with? What an asshole.

And yet, there are posters on this board who rebuke others for what they think are unfair,sexist attacks on Sarah. It boggles the mind. She is a horrible person and needs to be marginalized. The right wing can't be allowed to get away with this.

[Raschel]

47. I don't understand anyone feeling sorry for McCain or Palin. They are horrible

racists who tried to win by dividing our country.

[BlueMomInSanDiego]

109. Agree with that 100%! /

[Dappleganger]

42. words MATTER. Hate speech opens up the floodgates

of racism and bigotry, and that is not easily closed.
Not just Palin, but the entire campaign need to deal with this.

[47of74]

50. I think we need some new laws...

Namely stating that a condition of getting Secret Service protection, the right to use any publicly owned venues - such as parks or schools - and the right to any Federal funding of a campaign is contingent on the candidates agreeing to the following that they will;

• Not engage in hate speech regarding their opponents or any member of their oppoenets family.
  
• Not publicly accuse their opponent, opponent's family of committing crimes or associating with crimes. If they have knowledge of their opponent committing crimes the only acceptable response is to notfiy law enforcement but make no public comments whatsoever.
  
• Cooperate to the fullest extent in any investigations regarding threats against opponents.
  
• Fully and without qualification denounce comments in violation of the first two items when they are made by someone working for a candidate's campaign or when comments are shouted out at a rally.
  
• And indicate their understanding that they will lose their rights to further public funding or venues if the violate any of these clauses and will be required to immediately pay back any government funds given to the campaign. They will not lose Secret Service protection but will be required to pay for protection out of campaign money going forward.
  

[fasttense]

286. Germany has so good anti-hate group laws. It's a difficult line to walk between

freedom of speech and preventing the incitement to violence. But I think there comes a time when we have to draw that line.

This is one reason why the repukes are so against the Fairness Doctrine.

[kywildcat]

53. David Duke in a skirt

And she's oblivious. This simpleton has no capacity for self reflection. She has marginalized herself and STILL can't keep her muoth shut.

as a side note-an AA friend of the family, who works for a hospital in Northen Kentucky over heard 2 white employees saying that they wished that O would be assasinated. Our friend went to HR, who blew her off. We told her to take this threat seriously-tell the FBI and if needed, tell the ethics board of the hospital and the media. There is no excuse of dismissing this kind of discussion and I am certain that the hospital would not want to be seen as passively advocating the assassination of ANY elected official.

[47of74]

59. Tell her to call the Secret Service

Then as soon as she gets off the phone with them she needs to blow the whistle on this piece of crap hospital with every news organization out there.

[kywildcat]

65. We did, and I'm not above nagging.

[blue neen]

66. You said it exactly right.

David Duke in a skirt.

:thumbsup:

[jmowreader]

87. Except David Duke wasn't as bad as Sarah Palin

David Duke is real bad. But the nice thing about him (if anything can be said to be NICE about a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan) is everyone knows he's racist slime. Sarah Palin, OTOH, can hide behind her nice little "I'm just a poor little Christian Hockey Mom" bullshit, and you have to look for the absolute hatred.

[llmart]

148. But isn't this what we all are going to have to do?

In our daily lives and interactions with people, we are going to have to be the ones who stand up for our principles. We cannot stay silent. I don't care who the person is or what the consequences are. Unless we ourselves take a stand on a daily basis and make it known loud and clear that what they say is unacceptable, then we are part of the problem.

For instance, I know there are racist jokes already circulating via email about Obama. If I ever get one from anyone, I don't care who, I will tell them in no uncertain terms that they are racist and I do not want them sent to me any more. I doubt I'll get any as I don't have people in my life who would do that to me, but you get my drift.

We can't sit back and say, "Oh, that's just old Uncle John who lives in the past and doesn't get that these are racist jokes" and then let him off the hook.

[CoffeeCat]

165. I think it's imperative that if anyone gets...

...a racist joke--than they hit "reply all" and send a very strongly worded email
back to that person--condemning their hatred and their ignorance.

That way, the person is humiliated in front of everyone.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

208. Right on. Condemn them and invite them to leave the 19th century and join the 21st. . . nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

215. What does Alchoholic Anonymous have to do with it?

as a side note-an AA friend of the family

Noting your martini glass avatar, is that the reason you referenced Alcoholics Anonymous?

[Tallison]

248. He means African American... n/t

[Joe Chi Minh]

60. It's a pity they don't charge her with incitement to violence or some such

reflection of her role in the murderous rabble-rousing.

[politicalmajority]

63. It Appears Sarah Palin Is the One Palling with Domestic Terrorists

In fact, domestic White supremacist terrorists are more dangerous than al Qaeda terrorists. Al Qaeda terrorists are enemies outside the country. White supremacist terrorists are enemies within.

[Mnemosyne]

223. Excellent points, politicalmajority!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Palin needs some shame, along with humility and a brain. Sociopath.

[Pacifist Patriot]

68. I want to comment on the last subject of the article.

She's whining about sexism while uttering sexist remarks. She is making the assumption that women are only on a par with men when they become like men. Gee, wasn't that the complaint about Hillary? She was too masculinized. Get it straight Palin. Oh, and while you're at it. Stay in Alaska and shut up already.

[CoffeeCat]

168. And isn't it a tad bit odd...

...that a woman--who would prance around in front of political advisors that she
doesn't know--IN A TOWEL--would now be screaming "sexism."

Yeah Sarah, put your clothes back on, stop acting like a twit and then you can
discuss the finer points of sexism on the global stage.

:eyes:

[mentalslavery]

309. Contact the media

Help me contact the media, click on my journal

[Doodler71]

70. I have a problem with the "unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further."

IMHO it was not "unintentional" she heard what was being said and she continued to say it rally after rally. She knew very well what kind of atmosphere she was creating.

She is a disgusting, ugly, stupid, moronic, hateful, power hungry, sleaze bag. If she is the hope of the Republican party then may they wander in darkness blind and trying to find their way for eternity.

[FLAprogressive]

86. me too n/t

[catrose]

140. I never thought it was unintentional

Sarah Palin comes from a tradition where preachers whip their congregations into a frenzy so that they'll go out and kill abortion clinic workers and doctors. And they do it very carefully so that they can't be charged with inciting. They didn't tell anyone to go kill anyone, after all. But that's their goal. I think it was her goal. On my more paranoid days I think it was why she was picked.

[xochi]

202. I don't think it's paranoid. The people who picked her knew that they could use her

to stoke up the racist, hateful Christian-fundy base, and that's exactly what she did. What they didn't count on was her Wasilla hillbilly ignorance, her personal political ambition, and her not following their coaching, although they're figuring that if they can control her better, she could be a RNC contender in 2012. Jeez...

[RedLetterRev]

232. I agree, though I do wish

folks would resist using "hillbilly" as she is nothing of the sort. *I* am a hillbilly, a true Appalachian, one of a vanishing culture, deeply Democratic, deeply "live and let live". It's said that "everyone is odd in the hills", lending to the live and let live attitude. The "Beverly Hillbillies" show didn't do us any favors, playing up on some pretty weird outsider stereotypes that still persist today.

Sarah Palin is no friggin' hillbilly. She'd be ostracized with three words out of her nasty little mouth.

So, please, folks, leave off the "hillbilly". We'd whip her sorry ass.

[xochi]

238. Ahh, my bad! Sorry, man!

And thanks for enlightening me. I have an deep respect for anyone living close to the land (having grown up on rural Kaua`i, in the middle of the Pacific), and appreciate what it means to be part of a vanishing culture, as the unspoiled island I painfully remember as a youth is now a playground for the super-wealthy and target for greedy developers from the outside who are buying and paving over (or otherwise making "off limits") most of the remaining natural, fragile landscape. I apologize for using that term so incorrectly and carelessly.

[RedLetterRev]

307. OMG, They did it to you too?

I remember green, forested-over mountains where ever stream was clean. If you went up high enough, the water was so crispy and crystal-pure, there was no taste like it. I remember looking up any summer night and seeing millions of stars, there being almost no light pollution and the coal-fired electricity plants were pretty rare.

Now, the mountains are being stripped for rich-folks' McMansions, sections walled-off like you described. There isn't a single clean stream anywhere stateside -- not one that's safe to drink out of. Creeks and rivers I remember fishing out of, there are warnings about mercury from effluents from the coal-fired electric plants and stars? there are so few as to what I remember seeing from the difference in smog.

Where my grandfolks are buried used to be so far out in the country it was like a day-trip. It was the most beautiful, green valley with a creek at the bottom and a tiny church on the hill. The most striking thing you could hear there was "nothing" -- absolute peace; a most respectful place for eternal rest. I recently went to visit their graves and was shocked to find the whole damn thing paved over with McMansions and gates.

So, yeah, friend, we feel us. Big money does what it wants and the rest of us just get shoved aside.

[xochi]

350. I truly believe that these vanishing wild places,

pristine and undefiled by the destructive footprint of man's capitalistic greed and delusion of "ownership," and seeing nature as merely a marketable commodity--these last remaining wild places are the sacred parts of who we are. I'm not very religious, but if there is anything that is "holy," it is these unspoiled ecosystems that reflect true peace and interconnectedness. Certain past cultures knew how to live as a part of this web of life. I share your grief, my brother, over what has already been lost.

"Man does not weave this web of life. He is merely a strand of it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself." --Chief Seattle

[defendandprotect]

147. Purposeful -- !!!

[nashville_brook]

189. i caught that too.

[Optimistic]

72. Isn't that a Capital Crime?

Seems to me Palin should be charged with Conspiracy of
Attempting to assassinate a Presidential Candidate!

[livetohike]

82. Welcome to DU!

:hi: and I agree.

[Realityhack]

356. NO.

Questioning someones loyalty to the US while absolutely despicable does NOT constitute a conspiracy to assassinate them.
Seriously... try to think a bit about things before you throw them out there. This kind of comment is exactly why whack jobs think we want to ban free speech.

[Fluffdaddy]

73. Damn

[superconnected]

77. I'm glad this made news. See they are mobilizing a hate base to

the point of instigating murder.

[defendandprotect]

149. They pretty much did this with Clinton ...using gun nuts ...

[Kalifornia.Kid]

78. Damn - overseas media picks up on this and not a peep from U.S. M$M.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

79. I wonder what cabinet position she is hoping to get in the new

administration. Bwahahaha.

[benld74]

83. McCain was at some of those rallies as well when the

people in attendence began to state 'their beliefs' as well. HE DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM FROM SAYING IT>

[Faygo Kid]

84. She's now gone. Rush Limbaugh is close to actively calling for harm to Obama.

McCain/Palin followed the Hannity/Limbaugh line. They set the strategy, with Steve Schmidt.

I don't know how far Hannity will now go, but Limbaugh is stirring up hate on a level that will result in assassination attempts. Clearly.

[defendandprotect]

156. WE ALL have to take immediate interest in this as a major subject --

Someone should start a thread off of this for reports of this behavior

and ACTIONS to counter these intentional calls by the r-w for violence

against this admin ....

[LesserFool]

85. Palin would have been too dumb to see the link

Palin would have been too dumb to see a link between her hateful and divisive rhetoric and inciting the hatred of right-wing racists.

[texastoast]

229. Don't fool yourself

She is one of those Pentecostal fundies who has witnessed the power of a person behind a pulpit or podium to whip sheeple into a lather. She purposefully used the technique and was "playing for keeps."

[davefromqueens]

88. Palin incited this violence

See Max blumenthal's tape from footage in Virginia Beach and other. (E/n - I filmed it)

[Divine Discontent]

89. makes you wonder why she wanted to chat with him after the election!

"oh noes, Barack, Steve Schmidt put me up to that! I told them it was negative but they insisted!"

or worse reasons!

witch!

[Raine]

91. I hope that EVERYONE hears about this

all us Obama supporters were concerned about this but it was just sluffed off like it wasn't important. I want EVERYONE to know what that DISGUSTING woman incited. :mad: :grr:

[GhostofRichardRorty]

94. Thanks for this citation: Will be sure it gets added...

to the website that 159 Communication professors signed that argues the McCain/Palin campaign were inciting racists: http://www.politicalcommunication.info/

The Southern Poverty Law Center has had some successful civil suits against hate groups who were held collectively responsible for violent crimes, including conspiracy to commit a violent crime (http://www.splcenter.org/legal/landmark/hate.jsp). It is not hard to see in McCain/Palin's campaign rhetoric an incitement to "protect America" by any means necessary...

[Lars39]

99. McCain was complicit...he knew and made a token protest just for show.

[zbdent]

100. hmm ... what was it someone in the Bush administration said?

I think it was "words have consequences" ...

or, it might have been ...

"Watch what you say, watch what you do ..."

[crossroads]

101. So true... k&r

[tpsbmam]

103. It was obvious when she was doing it, it was obvious from the many videos of

the insane mobs at her rallies, it was obvious! I'm so glad the Secret Service has publicly stated this and people might actually take those of us who've been saying this all along seriously.

Look at what McCain has done to his legacy -- he'll go down as running the worst campaign ever, bringing in Palin and allowing her to do this, joining in with it......he'll be lauded, for sure, by the right-wingers the day he dies, but he'll be remembered forever by millions of us for this.

[proud2BlibKansan]

104. Bill Ayres never intended to kill anyone

while John McCain deliberately dropped napalm on innocent people who lived in grass huts.

Now who is the real terrorist?

[Paladin]

105. There Should Be No Tolerance For This Sort Of Thing

The Secret Service is going to be busier than ever for the next few years, dealing with well-armed right-wing psychos angry about a black President. Any incitement of these knuckle-draggers, intentional or otherwise, should be dealt with immediately and harshly. I'm for bringing little Ms. Moosilini up on charges, right now....

[humbled_opinion]

124. Congress should get involved.

We need harsher hate crimes legislation.. and we need it now.. I think all Americans can agree to that. Why must they try to tear people down. We are about building people up... It sickens me.

[defendandprotect]

158. Right ... there should be Hearings on this ---

[Sheets of Easter]

107. Sarah Palin is a smiling, chipper, beautiful fucking monster.

I'm glad all this stuff is coming out against her. It needs to be said if she even thinks she has a chance in '12.

[defendandprotect]

160. Like Dana Perino ..."Beauty IS the beast"---!!!!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

271. Who does she want to throw into the chipper machine?

[yellowcanine]

108. I have an idea that the Secret Service told Palin directly to tone it down.

There was one point when things seemed to come to a head and after that there was no more talk about "palling around with terrorists".

They then switched to the Joe the Plumber spreading the wealth bullshit. Still dishonest but at least not as rabble rousing.

[grahampuba]

110. What is the definition of terrorism?

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

a lot of McCains camp was saying she went 'rogue' and id like to hope that there wasnt a directive that was handed down to Palin, but that she let her true light shine and was exposed for the un-American bigot that she truly was.
this was the ugliest politics has ever gotten for me, to hear these allegations and speech divisive to the point of claiming real Americans vs phony Americans come from the Vice Presidential candidate, sickening.

Welcome to your new job as mayor of Pariah-ville Mrs. Palin.

[xochi]

358. Stirring up the racist crowds, upping the hate level with that ugly rhetoric

about "pallin' around with terrorists," etc., was very much the strategy employed by the McCain camp, once it was taken over by the very same Rovian Repugs who handled Bush's campaign. McCain's campaign before that (pre-July) was a doddering, ineffectual, unorganized affair, remember? Palin "went rogue" only when she started doing her own thing, such as refusing to be coached before her Katie Couric interview, going off script during her speeches, referring to the campaign as "Palin/McCain" instead of the other way around, spending nearly $200,000 at high-end stores, etc.

I like it when anyone reminds us of the definition of "terrorism," because it makes one immediately think of Bush&co. You mean, like Abu Gharib? The invasion of Iraq? Its occupation by U.S.-paid lawless mercenary armies? Or were you referring to the aerial hunting of wolves, which Palin advocated in Alaska, or using an automatic rifle to hunt caribou, as she personally did?

[1776Forever]

111. Hate filled Righty Talk Radio can get in line here! I think Sean, Rush & Savage are just as bad!

They all carry the water, along with more, to the very depths of a deep hate filled abyss.

[New_England_Patriot]

114. Here's the way I see it...

...and I may catch some flak for this.

McCain & Palin should be applauded for exposing the white supremest redneck racism that is the Republican base. Okay, that aside... seriously, the only reason... that a person would've voted for McCain, is because Obama is an Arab, a Muslim, a terrorist, a black man, pals around with terrorists, and McCain wants to bomb Iran, he's more religious than Obama, start up more war and kill more people in the name of our freedom and way-of-life, and ...because Palin is "hot". And of course, taxes... but that seemed to be a secondary point to what was mentioned above.

As of today, CNN reports that 57,393,728 out of 122,787,086 total votes voted for McCain. And notice, on the electoral vote map, the Bible belt and Southern USA are all red states (amazingly excluding Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia).

So, roughly 57.4 million people voted for McCain, probably because of the aforementioned reasons I stated.

...we all saw the people at the McCain rallies, especially the one in Ohio, where the people were yelling "Commie faggots", "Go to Russia", 'Rape victims should die.' (Hey, isn't that what they do in Saudi Arabia?), the asshole with the monkey doll with the Obama bumper sticker, calling it 'Little Hussein', and lastly the old guy saying "There ain't no way I'm ever votin' fer a n---" then he drifted off and was illegible as he walked away. We can all imagine what the rest of that statement was. :eyes:

Racism is still a huge problem in this country. And now that Obama won, these people will act more crazy because of it! I heard a sound bite on NPR on Wednesday when some repig-idiot woman said over Obama's win on Tuesday, quote: "Is god mad with us?" So therefore, these crazies who want to get rid of Obama will probably think they're actually justified in their heinous actions in the name of a divine pursuit.

And before everyone says "This isn't possible", in Springfield Massachusetts, hours after it was announced that Obama won the election:

SPRINGFIELD -- The fire that destroyed a new church being built for a predominantly black congregation was intentionally set, law enforcement officials said today.

The timing of the fire at the Macedonian Church of God in Christ building early Wednesday morning -- just a few hours after Barack Obama's landmark victory -- has raised questions about whether it was a hate crime.

Source: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/11/arson_seen_as_c.html

[Bombero1956]

135. it should be mentioned

that the cause of the fire is still under investigation. Other motives are being looked at including arson for profit and because there was neighborhood opposition to the church being built there. I say this only because my department is actively pursuing the cause and no conclusions have been reached yet.

[defendandprotect]

162. It's always easy to teach hatred ....

[quiet.american]

115. This is exactly why I give McCain no quarter as being "funny" or "gracious."

Whenever I've been tempted to, I think of what his campaign unleashed, and how the American thugs Palin whipped up would have taken a McCain victory as an endorsement to rain hate, maiming and murder down upon anyone not like them.

And through all of this, Palin chirps around remorseless, with a "What? What's wrong with that?" smirk.

[humbled_opinion]

122. Well did she at least

Appologize, and take measures to ensure that her hateful supporters calmed down? Will she and the rest of the vile Repuke Thugs come forward and tell their pit bull mob to put the pitchforks and torches down?

I doubt it... Seems to me they are gearing up to run a hate campaign on President Obama as soon as he gets in office.

I think this is only the beginning.

[formercia]

125. Not all Secret Service agents are good guys

Poppy Bush used his Secret Service detail to go after political enemies.

Don't ask me for a link, it's from first-hand experience.

[Maccagirl]

185. Do tell

My best friend in high school had an incredible conversation one night back in '73 re Watergate and the national security community (CIA/FBI) with a retired FBI agent. Every one of his preditions came true.

[formercia]

298. Many get jobs as GOP operatives after leaving the service.

I know one in particular who I witnessed on TV in a lineup of GOP big shots. He was part of Poppy's crew.

[Porschenut1066]

127. Surely Palin should be charged with incitement, if the Secret Service can show

a link between her speeches and the hatching of assassination plots against our new President.

[bobd0]

129. If this whacko ever visits the lower 48 again we should all make sure she gets a suitable welcome.

Disgusting hillbilly fundie wacko. McCain should be ashamed. Palin should be behind bars.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

349. I hear she is going to attend a GOP governor's conference soon.

Don't know date or location, though.

[Stinky The Clown]

131. Is this a last gasp for the hatred of the right .... or a resurgence?

This is the result of a piece of shit like Palin hooking up with the unscrupulous campaign "consultants" like Steve Schmidt and his fat Daddy, Rove. They're not geniuses. They're lowlifes and thugs.

What they did can not be legal .... can it?

[bobd0]

134. What the people at her rallies did is definitely not legal, and Palin incited them.

§ 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(b) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 19 and 20.

I would like to know the outcome of the supposed Secret Service investigations into the threats made at Palin rallies and why the Secret Service hasn't questioned the instigator.

Edit to add link
http://www2.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000871----000-.html

[shanti]

253. i look at it this way...

there's more of us than them. some people need to be drug kicking and screaming in the future.

[always_saturday]

137. If they blamed her, why didn't they do something about it?

Like tell her to stop it?

Instead, they publicly claimed they could find no evidence (even though it was clearly heard on the video) of anyone yellng "kill him!" at a Palin event.

I have ZERO respect for the way the SS handled this.

Not only that, but they let protesters yell anything they wanted at Obama rallies, but they threw out people just for wearing Obama shirts at McKlan/Palin rallies.

[defendandprotect]

167. I think it's up to Congress now ... Hearings ...and if you're going to ARREST

liberals for "PEACE" T-shirts ... I think SECURITY should be arresting

anyone at rallies making violent comments ...calls for anyone's death --!!!

[jeff30997]

146. "near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him"

Isn't it a Federal crime to instigate hate crimes like that and even more so when it's

about a Presidential candidate? Will she get even a slap on the wrist for that? What a dumbfuck

criminal.Just like Chimpy and co.They get away with everything dammit!

[Kipepeo]

150. She should be ashamed of herself

And the entire McCain campaign is to blame for allowing her to whip up that kind of violent racist hatred at her rallies. It is absolutely unforgivable.

[Porschenut1066]

260. Palin was found by the Neocons(PNAC) and they have no shame!

[Richard D]

151. I call BS here

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

I don't think there was anything unintentional about it.

[Vattel]

152. Palin smeared Obama.

Could her smears result in assassination plots? Yes. Did they? I don't know. Did she do anything criminal by smearing Obama? No. Should she be ashamed of herself for her smears? Yes.

[Sparkly]

153. "Did she do anything criminal by smearing Obama? No."

Are you sure? I'm not.

[Vattel]

180. Yes, I am.

Saying that Obama pals around with terrorists at a political rally is a lie, but not a crime.

[texastoast]

231. No, she should be ashamed for being a fucking hypocrite

"Good Christian women" do not tolerate lies as someone shouts "terrorist!" or hate as someone shouts "kill him!" Good people speak out against it and do their best to straighten out the nutters. And all good DU'ers will report it to the Secret Service and or the FBI when they see the hate mongering and assassination threats anywhere.

[Vattel]

303. Too much hate-mongering to report it all

but otherwise I agree with you.

[Realityhack]

357. QFT. n/t

[Shardik]

157. Holy shit.

That's something I expected, but to see it in print...

With the Limbaughs and Hannitys of the world still spewing their hate, this kind of thing is going to get worse.

[Xipe Totec]

161. We're going to need a circus tent for Limbaugh's strait-jacket n/t

[Whoa_Nelly]

170. Then, perhaps there needs to be intervention by Secret Service or FBI

to tell those hose clowns to tone it down or lose their airtime permently.

It's illegal (I think) to incite that type of threat toward the President.

[Ispy]

164. more examples? Yes, there are plenty

Yes, I believe it. She only polarizes and propagates. She never encouraged her followers to think or to discuss, just spread hate. Here another example of her undifferentiated action: http://theworldspeaks.info/archives/165

[ngGale]

172. The UK hit the nail on the head...

It was going on from the the time Palin was chosen. I live in the south and was getting hate vibes off her rallies on a daily basis. Their whole campaign was a hate mission. They knew exactly what they were doing and McCain allowed it to continue. Kept telling my friends someone needed to use the "incite to riot" act. If it were Dems, one would have been in jail.

They pretend to be pro-life in order to control. McCain was never a far right person but he allowed them to control him and his campaign. Palin, on the other hand, is the real deal and I know it.
She scares the tee total living hell out of me. The average every day person has no idea how much hate these people are capable of.

They are the literal "Christian Soldiers." Probably getting ready for 1012. :scared:

[cayuga]

173. Sarah is the mirror reflecting what the repugs really are.

They see her for what they are and must sacrifice her to save themselves.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

175. Palin's Propoganda Parade

Surely in this republic of ours, there must exist a United States Attorney in one of the jurisdictions she gave that freakfest speech in, who would seek an indictment against her for hate speech, inciting to riot, threats against a government official, etc. Please, let one come forth.

[MadMaddie]

179. I call Bullshit on this statement

<snip>
her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.
<snip>

If you jokingly call fire in a movie theater you may have unintentionally caused a stampede that leads to injuries or even death - Guess what it is still a crime.

Palin is responsible for her actions and bullshit if she unintentionally didn't mean to - she has in fact incited mob like mentality.

[Vattel]

183. The headline is bull shit.

The Secret Service didn't blame Palin for any death threat against Obama

[Name removed]

228. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Vattel]

291. LOL

[Dennis Donovan]

184. Hate speech by public figures can, and likely WILL end in violent acts...

Palin was too stupid and naive to understand this. :grr:

[beachmom]

186. This is inaccurate. Her rhetoric led to angry mobs which led to more threats.

But the Secret Service did not "blame" her. People need to read the Newsweek article (just go to newsweek.com), and you'll see this is a bit inflammatory.

"I'm worried," Gregory Craig said to a NEWSWEEK reporter in mid-October. He was concerned that the frenzied atmosphere at the Palin rallies would encourage someone to do something violent toward Obama. He was not the only one in the Obama campaign thinking the unthinkable. The campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and very disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October. Michelle was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates. "Why would they try to make people hate us?" she asked Valerie Jarrett. Several of Obama's friends in the Senate were shocked by the GOP rabble-rousing. Dick Durbin, the U.S. senator from Illinois who pushed for early Secret Service coverage for Obama, called Lindsey Graham, who was traveling with McCain. (Graham scoffed at the call as "an orchestrated attempt to push a narrative" about McCain going negative. He said he told Durbin, "OK, buddy, but remember—that goes both ways.")

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167950/output/print

Hat tip Adam B on DailyKos.

[Faygo Kid]

187. LIMBAUGH. For 20 years.

There is the ultimate hater. There is the person who says it's OK to hate those who disagree with you, because if they disagree with you they are either stupid or evil or both, but they have no point of view you need respect.

It's Limbaugh, and less so his progeny (Hannity, O'Reilly, et al). I am the same age as Rush Limbaugh. He is a coward.

He hated Bill Clinton, as the "popular" kid Rush never was. But Obama - a black guy! - will have Rush explode, and end his career.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

196. He'd start another civil war

He's always been about divisiveness...and Coultergeist, too.

[Faygo Kid]

200. He's been underestimated here, and nationally.

He's gonna get our president-elect killed.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

206. I certainly am guilty of that...

When he first started spewing his hatred, I couldn't believe anyone would take him seriously....he was too obviously a nutcase.

I underestimated him, and overestimated the intelligence of the American people.

[Historic NY]

188. Lets just say Palin made the SS job more difficult, her trash talk was like..

yelling fire in a crowded theator. Is she guilty only if someone got hurt, ignorant you betcha.

[CJCRANE]

195. It seems the Repubs always have to stir up a hornets' nest...

with the GWOT potentially winding down, it seems they decided to stir up the domestic nutters instead.

[xochi]

212. That's all they have left, the white racist "Christian" fundamentalists

still living in some 1950s Jim Crow dream world. The rest of the nation and the world has changed around them, and for some reason they haven't woken up. That's the sorry state of the Repuglican Party base today. Just look at all the prominent, idealistic Republican intellectuals who have abandoned the McCain train in the last days of his campaign. Even Condi probably voted for Obama. As for the prominent haters such as Limbaugh and FauxNews who stayed on that train as it careened over the reality cliff, well, as Olbermann gloated, they're IRRELEVANT!

[lunatica]

197. If this story comes from the Secret Service then it's a message

That's the way I see it. when we find anything out about what the Secret Service says, it's because they want us to find out. All of us, including the idiots who are making threats. I think that's a wise move.

[ticapnews]

204. "The Secret Service doesn't comment on procedures"

If they're commenting it is absolutely for a reason.

[CoffeeCat]

230. I totally agree...

...and I'm not sure to whom the message is directed.

Is it for Palin? After all, she is the most damaged by this story. She is directly linked
to causing death threats to Obama. This story, combined with video of her incendiary and
reckless comments pretty much means that she'll never, ever gain officer higher than the
one she now holds in Alaska.

I don't care how many freaks in the Republican party thinks she's cute and like her
stance on taxes.

If the Secret Service is saying that her words incited assassination attempts and violence
against a man who is now our President--her career in national politics is absolutely finished.

[Lars39]

233. Seems like there has also been at least one article stating the Secret Service

went to some kids' house to see if the threats were credible. Just a sentence or two about it, iirc.
I think they're subtly putting out the word that they are taking these threats seriously. I'd like to see some prosecutions, too, though.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

198. We need to remember this!

Palin has made it clear that we have not heard the last of her. Her hate-filled, violence instigating accusations need to be bookmarked; and the reaction of her followers needs to be recorded to remind Americans how dangerous she is when she resurfaces to seek power again.

[RagAss]

199. They have no idea what they're fucking with here !

[krkaufman]

207. Still haven't seen any reporters confront Palin with this info from the Secret Service ...

... correlating the increase in threats to the atmosphere at McCain/Palin rallies. But I'm looking forward to her rationalization, when she's finally asked.

[northofdenali]

210. The Secret Service is very, very good, and their reasoning

is sound. This is mob mentality, whereby the words/actions of a supposed leader helps the mob cohere and act. I fully believe public figures, especially political public figures, should be held accountable for the actions that push their followers into action by allowing and encouraging hatred. This goes for ANY leader whose following is loyal to the point of mindlessness, whether political or religious or simply ideological.

That said, my ex-husband, a true son of the Old South (Alabama born-and-bred with an uncle who was at one time a KKK Grand Dragon in the state) is afraid this mob mentality would work both ways. He is a good man, a real "joe 6pack" redneck but intelligent. He voted for OUR GUY, in spite of the color of his skin. And I do mean in spite of - my ex still holds strong credentials in racial bigotry, but voted for ideas over fear and hatred. He said (after calling me when Alabama beat LSU in overtime, so we could cheer) that he's praying nothing happens to President Obama, because if something where to happen, the South could erupt. He firmly believes Obama is the best man for the job, and will move our country back into the respected, caring nation it was before the BFEE took over.

I can see his point, even though I am in disagreement that Obama will be adequately protected. I, myself, would take to the streets in the event of an assassination attempt, primarly because this behavior was NOT discouraged by the neocon wingers at all - in fact, it was encouraged.

Sarah, karma is going to bite you HARD on the ass. :mad:

[OwnedByFerrets]

218. Great Post....I agree with you.

[keepCAblue]

219. Perhaps Michelle Obama's weight gain was due to...

...having to wear protective armor under her clothes.

[dothemath]

222. Targets of convenience ..............

There is no doubt Palin was dispatched to specific areas, and told what to say, just as some posters have pointed out. The McCain campaign sent her to, and told her what to say when she got there, those places where hate speech is the most effective. If you do not know where those places are, take a look at the map depicting the source of many, if not most, of McCain's votes.

Rabble-rousers have demonstrated, time and time again, they can be horribly effective in fomenting mob rule. This would not be the mob rule of olden days - law enforcement and others have learned how to respond quickly and effectively in all but the worst cases. And there is a fundamental difference in a mob of thousands taking to the streets with deadly random violence on their minds and smaller groups who are more specific.

There is no shortage of individuals with deranged minds primed and ready to act on what they hear and see, or what they were pre-disposed to hear and see, as a clarion call for them to act. Deranged does not necessarily include stupid. As awful as it is to contemplate, is anyone ready to rule out the use in this country by people - whose behavior we don't understand - who are willing to commit suicide to carry out their misdeeds?

The communications media in this country has failed us. At the first sign of the kind of rabble-rousing that has become endemic in political campaigns, there ought to have been 2" headlines on the front page of every newspaper in the country denouncing that practice. Instead, the silence is deafening. It is made to order for people like Karl Rove and his ilk.

Last but not least, when those who are in power seek to hold on to power by denigrating their opponents, up to and including causing the death of someone who disagrees with them, one wonders if it ever crosses their mind pendulums swing in both directions and when that happens, and happen it will, the hunter becomes the hunted.

We are moving farther and farther away from civilly agreeing to disagree and moving on. Nowadays, when one hears "every one is entitled to their opinion", the following line is "and in my opinion, you are not entitled to your opinion". Bang.

[Doctor_J]

224. Are any US papers going to run with this?

:shrug:

I suppose Keith with cover it Monday

[kestrel91316]

225. "Unintentionally" MY ASS. She intended to whip up homicidal hatred.

She wants to be in the White House, and McCain stood to win the election if anybody killed Obama. We all know damned well that would have placed her literally a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Anybody who thinks she was naive about this possible scenario and not champing at the bit for it to happen needs their head examined.

I won't say what I think needs to be done to this woman. I'd get arrested, unlike her.

[Vattel]

294. Please crawl back under the rock

you came out from. Suggesting that you want violence done to Palin is disgusting.

[kestrel91316]

329. Don't put words in my mouth. Palin deserves the fate she wished

for Obama. It's called karma. You can think what you want about what I want, but you'd probably be wrong.

And don't you come in here to DU and support that bitch. Go back to FR where you freaks belong.

[Vattel]

338. So you are saying that she deserves to die

You are really creepy.

[CADEMOCRAT7]

227. We here at DU were very concerned and that is why we made calls and sent letters.

I want to thank all of us who took action on this. We were extremely disturbed and very worried by what Palin was doing, and we made calls and wrote letters begging for Obama to have more protection, begging for some one to stop Palin from instigating violence at her rallies. We were scared.
I hope there are repercussions for her irresponsible and dangerous behavior. Anything to win Sarah Palin, even inciting hate rage that could lead to death ? Is that the Christian thing to do ? In my faith, that is considered horrid.

[lovuian]

234. I think Palin lost it for the Republicans with her hate

this only backfired

I do still fear for Obama

[MrsCorleone]

235. McCain is ultimately responsible for incitement of violence.

He fully embraced those disgusting tactics. He wanted to win at any cost, even if the cost was Obama's safety and the safety of his family and supporters.

McCain's staff is trying to distance McCain from this ugliness by implying that the blame falls solely to Palin's disgusting speeches.

McCain is ultimately responsible.

This is his legacy. He relizes this now, and he is attempting to cover his tracks

He deserves the blame.

[CoffeeCat]

237. I think McCain was like a political pimp...

...who politically prostituted Palin to the worst and roughest neighborhoods.

Toward the end, I think McCain figured that he had lost, and all he could do was
try to avoid a shameful and mind blowing landslide. So, they decided to get the
base to the polls, and the made the decision that the best way to do this was
to whip them into a frenzy.

McCain made Palin do most of the dirty work. She's such a dumb box of rocks--and she's
so full of herself, she didn't realize that she was being used.

I think you're right--McCain knew what he was doing, and now--because he didn't like Palin
and never wanted her to be his running mate anyway--he's throwing her to the wolves.

All of this, "Palin went rogue" stuff is malarkey. She did what she was told and said
what they told her to say.

[riderinthestorm]

236. The SS really downplayed the hate speech BEFORE the election

Denying it, saying nobody had really heard anyone yell shit like "kill him"....

Color me skeptical but the Secret Service has not always been the good guys in our country's history - believing that the Praetorian Guard cannot be corrupted is naive at best.

So now they want to bring up the hate speech and death threats AFTER the election - bringing it all back up into the public eye again! Reviving the meme just when it should be tamped down. Sparking conversation, re-energizing the crazies who were at those Sarah Palin hate fests....

I'm sorry but I'm terribly worried for our Prez elect.

[liberaltrucker]

239. Folks! Chimpie is alive and kickin'

That in itself says the Secret Service is DAMN good!

[Bette Noir]

240. Palin should be charged.

Inciting violence is serious.

[AZBlue]

241. "...her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further."

Unintentional my ass!

[Joey Liberal]

242. Palin is a racist bitch nt

[EFerrari]

254. I prefer Nazi cow.

She should be charged with inciting violence. It's hard to take in that someone like her was running for national office.

[Joey Liberal]

347. That's a good one too:).................... nt

[and-justice-for-all]

243. She is the KKKs, and Neo Nazi's wet dream..nt

[mentalslavery]

246. let the media know

that they are have to take responsibility for what they have started. This is how I am going to handle the treats and false accusations. Hopefully the MSM will fill obligated to pressure McCain/Palin to make a formal statement.


Like me, some of you are trolling RW-blogs and are aware of the on-line hate speech directed toward Obama.

We must let them know- The world is watching-They can affect history

First, please collect the hate comments everyday, everyplace you find them, and include as much information as you can, permalinks, site managers/editors/and any relevant information. Please organize the information by blog as well as post or comment section and put it in a word document attached to an email.

Second, Lets create a non-stop righteous flood of emails to every media outlet possible.

I am including this statement (welcome to use it or get some inspiration);

Over the course of this campaign the world witnessed a man who promised to help us come together. He traveled almost non-stop, inspiring people all over the nation, fostering a new spirit in America and abroad. What we witnessed on Election Day has never occurred in human history-global celebration and unity.

For that reason, it saddens me greatly to inform you that the disturbing pattern of hate and violent rhetoric towards Obama still exists, and might be growing. This attachment contains the offensive websites and comments found. Please read through this and make some type of live announcement.

Despite hopes to the contrary, it seems many people are convinced that this man is the enemy and a terrorist. It seems clear that such reckless and frequent use of strong labels during a time of war against our commander and chief-elect has the potential to disrupt the chain of command. Undoubtly, it is possible that family members of the deployed armed service members might hold such beliefs and quite possibly the deployed themselves.

During the election season, the self-interested justified the discussion of lengthy narratives that invoked imagery of terrorist acts or foreign subversive identity merely for the sake of recounting and creating fear. False questions, stated as a means of implying the existence of unknown plans, as well as “associations” have served to distort some about how this country might change. In addition to fears about war and economic crisis, new fears are emerging about those who might be un-American. However, he did not fail us but we are failing him.

Despite the slanderous tone, demeaning references to previous service, this leader demonstrated restraint, patience, and forgiveness during his acceptance speech in which he reaffirmed his commitment to the care and protection of one American.


I had the instant feeling that things were going to get a little better and that the first crack in a significant barrier opened let a little light through. Like a gravitational force pulling me off my couch transfixing me to the screen, a celebration broke out that electrified the globe. People were dancing and crying and hugging, masses in the streets of large cities, an international moment of collective joy and peace emerged, and I could not believe what I was witnessing. I never realized that level of unity was possible, to share a moment of “global closeness” like that, was powerful

The dancing and joy was the celebration of the long journey to a different type of politics, one virtually none of us initially believed in, a type about us and not the power of a leader, one more kind and honest, in which we over come cynicism and doubt, and say yes we can. There has been much discussion about race and its significance in this election and also evident is the realization that an inspirational figure promised us that if he could run a campaign that treated everyone with respect and dignity then the American people would elect him as the next president, and we did.


Former non-believer

[lib_wit_it]

365. Have you posted this in the DU Activist Forum? nt

[KalicoKitty]

256. I can't stand Palin!

I wouldn't put anything past her, as she is sneaky and a liar.

[Cali_Democrat]

259. So it's what we suspected all along. nt

[K Gardner]

264. Palin needs to NEVER be allowed to have that kind of platform EVER AGAIN. If

Obama had done this, I cannot imagine what would be said/done.

[AllyCat]

268. My God she is beyond horrible

I wonder what else we will learn about her as time goes on. Can't wait for her to lose her governor seat in 2010 (or sooner if we're lucky).

[Douglas Carpenter]

269. kick and recommended

[GeneralCobra]

270. Sarah Failin

This is one of the main reasons why I dislike Sarah Palin so greatly.

[cartach]

272. "horrible,selfish,vacuous woman" - and

a raging sociopath. So I don't think she will be shamed into the darkest corners of Alaska as you suggest. She'll always have a reason for her excesses and be able to justify anything she does in her own mind and there's plenty of evidence of that before she came on the national scene. Along with her room temperature IQ comes the usual quirks associated with skinheads,rednecks, welfare trailer trash and felons living in the prison system. One of them is tendency to steal and she sure showed us that side.The rest of the list is to long to recite here. Thank God she's not as sophisticated as some of the politicians out there or we'd really be in trouble. I don't think she cares who she hurts as long as she gets her way. This bitch should be stomped on as much as possible and investigated till hell freezes over because unless she is politicaaly destroyed she'll be back and will wreak havoc. That's why I don't question the motives of the Republican whistleblowers who are in the news now and cheer them on,they can all eat themselves in order to stop her and I hope they do.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

273. The violence and murderous threats are still there. This example comes from freerepublic website:

Even with a McCain win, we've got some serious housecleaning to do.



17 posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:02:33 AM by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2124633/posts#17

[Bippity Boo]

275. he could start his housecleaning by throwing away the gun

and getting a Viagra prescription to make up for his insecurity

[Chipster]

297. What's In a Picture?

1) There's one outlet plugged in - that seems to go nowhere.

2) The "keyboard drawer" is pine.

3) Look at the shell arrangement. 14 white (14th?), 3 under the belt (3rd month?); 6 red, and 2 more after the empty. And then, a cup hook - a question mark?

4) Now, look above at the , at the carefully arranged shells on the boxtop: White up, down, (no?) white up, down, (no?) red down, red up (3rd month, yes?).

5) On the left computer pad, a hex key and a seemingly empty "salsa" container; on the far right, white lithium grease.

6) The left hand magazine holder shows a black cat - behind bars.

Now, I'm off to go back to that mystery novel....

[nosferaustin]

306. close

"3) Look at the shell arrangement. 14 white (14th?), 3 under the belt (3rd month?); 6 red, and 2 more after the empty. And then, a cup hook - a question mark?" - if you look close, there appears to be a forth shell under the belt, you can barely see it.

"6) The left hand magazine holder shows a black cat - behind bars." - it's a horse, not a cat. a black stallion? a little stereotypical insecurity there?

think this guy sits at his desk masturbating to this setup?

[ekwhite]

312. That's a black horse, not a cat

And it is in a horse pen or arena, or whatever they call the places they ride horses. I have a friend at work who has horses, and she shows me pictures like that all the time.

[Faygo Kid]

308. That one should be reported to the Secret Service.

These threats to kill Obama and his supporters must be met head on.

These people are nuts, and dangerous.

[ekwhite]

315. That gun looks slightly illegal

That barrel looks awfully short...I wonder if it is under 18 inches. Also, it appears to have an extended magazine, which would be illegal in most states. Of course, it could be one of the "home defender" type shotguns with 20" barrels, but those are usually pumps (more reliable). He also looks as if he hand reloads - hence the clear shells. Definite gun nut. A threat like that though, should be investigated by the Secret Service. It sounds as if he is advocating violence in response to the election results.

[democrank]

278. A sad state of affairs this is.

Media talking heads should keep this in mind as they drone on about what rough treatment Palin got.

[AngryOldDem]

282. I'm not the least bit surprised at this.

Palin knew exactly what she was saying, and she knew her audience. She egged them on. So did McCain, to a lesser degree, which is why I really couldn't be as gracious as others while listening to his concession speech the other night. McCain, at least, could have put an end to the rhetoric by denouncing it early on, but he didn't.

Words have consequences. That goes double for people like Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Palin, et. al. who feed on the hate of their followers and capitalize on that hate. I'm glad to know that the Secret Service is taking this seriously -- as it should.

[JNelson6563]

285. You summed up my thoughts

exactly. Palin; wretched hate-monnger.

[Vinca]

289. For all her Bible thumping and self righteousness,

she's a divisive, hateful woman.

[myrna minx]

295. If this was "unintentional" then McCain could have put an end to it, as soon as

the threats against Obama were reported.

He waited, silently waited, all the while Sara Palin was inciting her mobs into a lather. Even McCain's half hearted attempt to tamper down his crazies in Minnesota was racist, by saying that Obama wasn't an Arab, that he was a good family man, therefore implying that men of Arab decent are not good family men. The McCain/Palin campaign demonstrated just how gutter dwelling the Republican Party is willing to be in order to maintain power. It is rather sinister to think that it worked two fold. One to prey upon the blatant and latent racism that is very much alive in this country by planting seeds of fear and casting doubt about a Presidential candidates Patriotism, and two if the Republicans lost, they have the McVey wing of the Republican party paranoid and enraged enough to "save America" via extreme violence.

McCain doesn't get a pass from this and Sarah Palin can't claim ignorance. They knew exactly what they were doing and it's beyond despicable.

[Ian David]

299. "Unintentionally" my ass. n/t

[Wizard777]

305. The DOJ's refusal to prosecute just makes matters far worse.

If that doesn't say sure give it a try. I don't know what does.

[fascisthunter]

314. DUers... Remember How the Corporate Media Treated This?

Meaning how the corporate media sort of didn't make such a big issue out of what she was saying and the mob's reaction to what she was saying?

Now remember Reverend Wright... compare the two how much the corporate media focused on both.

If this were coming from the Obama campaign, they would have focused on it like flies to shit, 24-7! We have a big problem in this country and it needs attending to.

[EFerrari]

339. Yes. We have a BIG problem in the corporate media. n/t

[onehandle]

316. Well, that was her job. Mission Accomplished, Grifter. nt

[Ronbeaux]

317. Sick, hate-mongering bitch...

I hate this vacuous slut. John Lewis had it right and I thought the same thing while watching her rallies: George Wallace is back.

Country First?!?!? Bullshit. Getting elected was the most important thing, looking good was second, positioning for the future was third. Country was down the list somewhere behind shopping for another outfit. Anti-American bitch. I have finally lived long enough to actually see lipstick on a pig.

[PfcHammer]

319. What goes around comes around.

If Palin is in fact guilty of what the article
describes, she'll get hers.

[shanti]

321. sorry

but it doesn't always happen the way we'd like. look at the BFEE - they'll most likely skate.

[Baby Snooks]

320. The threat is still there...

The reality is that the threat is still there and the threat was indeed fueled by the rhetoric of Sarah Palin and while John McCain may have attempted to distance himself from it the Republican Party itself did not. And therein lies the threat. You have a party that will continue to claim that Barack Obama somehow represents a threat to the future of this country and that may result in an assassination attempt.

The Secret Service has learned well from the assassination of Kennedy and the attempts to assassinate Ford and Reagan. So much so that presidential candidates as well as presidents need not worry unless they decide to go against the advice of the Secret Service.

I don't worry so much about Barack Obama so much as I do about what may happen to this country as a result of the blatant racism and xenophobia of the Republican Party. It sought to divide this country. And like a house divided, a country divided will fall.

[FUCK_BUSH]

322. Why the Fuck can't we Prosecute this Bitch for hate crime ??????

What can we do to bring her to justice ???

[yellerpup]

323. Ms. Palin may find out yet how frightening it is to be hated.

A person who sows hate will reap the fruits of her labors. Sarah Palin has put everyone, including herself, in danger with her demagogery. The Obamas are the ones who truly put country first.

[Kajsa]

325. I've said this several times before,

anything happens to him, ANYTHING!-

I hold Sara Palin directly accountable for it.

She ENCOURAGED this type of hatred at her rallies,
when the shouts of 'Kill him!" and " off with his head"
were heard,

" Gee, you guys really GET IT!"

Is she out of her fuc*ing mind?!?

:(

[Kajsa]

328. Check out some the disgusting comments on this

great YouTube clip of the moment Obama won.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxuGHGqVZZ4

Sounds like the KKKers got in here.
Lots of threats- Lots of hate speech.

I've already flagged the clip for comments twice.

:(

[KamaAina]

332. Too bad she can't be cellmates with Tubular Ted Stevens

separate men's and women's facilities in the Federal penal system. :(

[liberal N proud]

333. She is evil and dangerous

[young_at_heart]

337. And there are still Republicans who see her as the future of their party?

What kind of people would encourage such a disgusting person to remain in office?

[lelgt60]

340. uh...Republicans n/t

[wildbilln864]

341. Just more proof....

that that woman has no insight and is a dangerous prospect for high office. :grr:

[madrchsod]

342. shipman`s reporting is misleading

the secret service did not say the what shipman wrote.

creditability is the only thing a reporter has and he has failed the test on this "reporting" of the facts in the newsweek article.

[felinetta]

343. I blame McCain and I'm disgusted that the Secret Service did not

demand he stop the hate mongering. For me, this is his lasting non-removable stain on his record. He is despicable and every time I hear some talking head say he's nice and not a racist
I want to just scream. It is time to face the facts!

[felinetta]

344. How about McCain being on some race relations committee and

start by investigating his own despicable behavior. He needs to own up to what he wrought, apologize and do everything in his power to set his nut right-wingers and dippy Palin straight!

[wundermaus]

345. Blowback is a bitch - and her name is Sarah Palin...

Hatred and ignorance has a way of making a full circle.

[chelsea0011]

348. And Sarah Palin is the one crying about the double standard she had to endure?

[wishlist]

351. Also the hateful fearmongering TV ads, mailouts, robocalls and McCain

Such a shame that what should have been a totally joyous celebration of his victory and their triumphant campaign has been much more somber and shadowed by the irrational right wing fringe hatred that McCain/Palin et al instigated.

[uppityperson]

354. too late to rec but will kick and rec the one in gd-p

[Imagevision]

361. Perhaps that was Palin's intention - invoke another whacko to go gun nutz!

[Dems4me]

363. She also deserves a medal for not grabbing hold of that witchy Sarah P. and

stomping her behind. I honestly don't think after knowing
that Palin could have cost the Obamas (his life, her husband, those kids father)
due to Palin's hatefilled words, that I could have had the same poise and self control Michelle Obama has had.

Very classy.

[fortyfeetunder]

368. Sarah Palin.. will be a has-been

Forget 2012 Sarah, no freaking way. You have shown your true colors to the American people. The decisive victory on Nov. 4 is a testament that Americans were not going to vote for you. And your racist, hate-filled actions have earned you a future as a has-been.

Go away quietly, patch up your messed up family, enjoy being a mom and a grandmom to babies. Govern Alaska until the state decides they've had enough of you (and I'll send plenty of money to your next opponent)....

Farewell.