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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:38 PM
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State (Ohio) panel backs disputed lesson (Creationism) | Clev Plain-Dealer
State panel backs disputed lesson
infuriates supporters of evolution


02/11/04
Scott Stephens
Plain Dealer Reporter

Columbus - The State Board of Education gave preliminary approval Tuesday to a 10th-grade biology lesson that scientists say could put "intelligent design" in Ohio classrooms.

Setting aside an impassioned plea from the National Academy of Sciences, the board voted 13-4 to declare its intent to adopt the "Critical Analysis of Evolution" lesson next month.

The academy warned that doing so would give a green light to teaching intelligent design, the idea that life is so complex that a higher being must have created it.

More at the Cleveland Plain-Dealer
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:41 PM
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1. Why do we have to fight this over and over?
It's as if the fundies don't acknowledge the flaw in their logic, and think that if they can just get "intelligent design" in the classrooms, all the little children will see the light. They always act surprised when people object. Why?
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:44 PM
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3. they want a theocracy
They couldn't get away with outright creationism, and have modified the "theory" again and again trying to make Constitutional muster.

No attempt so far has passed Constitutional muster, and it's highly doubtful that Ohio's attempt will either.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:07 PM
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6. It's a vast right wing conspiracy.
Seriously. The stupider the people are the more likely they'll vote republican.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:41 PM
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2. On the first day, God created the Ohio Board of Education
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 01:42 PM by KamaAina
On the second day, She realized what She had wrought, and smote Herself most grievously, resolving to do better next time, as She now had only five days left to meet deadline.

-Fundies 23:666

What a bunch of morans. :dunce:

Edit: caps. If you're gonna do a Bible parody, do it right!
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:45 PM
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4. Now if this were in Alabama DUers would say
"why don't they secede already?" I'm glad someone posts examples of delusional, backwards fundie thinking from states outside the south so DUers will understand this is not a "southern" thing.

The absurdity of this is that Columbus is home to my alma mater (The Ohio State University) which is the largest university in the world and has some ground breaking colleges with a very diverse body. I see something has gone horribly wrong since I moved away 9 years ago...
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:48 PM
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5. It happens in every state
Washington, Montana, Ohio, Kansas, Georgia etc. The south gets more than its fair share of derision, but then again, there is this place called the Bible-Belt :-)
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:11 PM
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8. Yes- these people are everywhere
I would be surprised if there was a town/city in the US that didn't have a fundie presence. They look just like normal people, until stuff like 'this' comes up. Then the eyes get kinda glossy and they begin parroting the RWC talking points.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:10 PM
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7. I wonder why fundies don't view science as a gift from God...
Is there something in the Bible that says God created Man without a brain?
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:13 PM
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9. what's a "supporter of evolution?"
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:13 PM by enki23
oh, i know what they mean. people who argue for accepting the theory of evolution as fact. (we usually call them scientists, and teachers of science.) but the idea of "supporters of evolution" makes me think of the human species in its "role" as bringer of chaos. we fuck up every ecosystem we touch, and most that we don't.

we really do support evolution, as a species. we accelerate change in our environment. our actions and their consequences are one of, if not *the* top-level contributing factor to natural selection in our world today.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:17 PM
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10. I'm standing up and declaring myself a Supporter Of Gravity!!
Not for me the timid school-board-inspired "things falling over time" lesson plan. Nope! I'm DOWN with Sir Isaac Newton!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:31 PM
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11. try getting your kid into a major
university with that on your kid`s transcripts,dumb asses.....
universities are not going to accept students into science programs with "intelligent design" credits. god i`m glad i didn`t raise kids in ohio.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:58 PM
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12. following in the backassward steps of Georgia
Really, these people should be ashamed of their own ignorance.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:04 PM
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13. Nobody ever agitates over putting ninjitsu in schools.
But I think classes in ninjitsu would provide a much more concrete benefit than teaching our kids that it's good science to say "Well, this shit is so complicated, I don't understand it. Therefore, someone smarter than me made it."

When I'm teaching, no child will pass my class without being able to hit a target with a shuriken at 50 yards!

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:05 PM
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14. And the slide into Totalitarian Darkness continues
Will we have Witch Burnings by the 22nd Century?

In an Orwellian Empire sinking into ignorance and darkness, populated by a weak, cowardly, and easily deceived people, it certainly is possible.
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Sunny_Sunshine Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:31 PM
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15. I'm amazed at the arrogance
These people presume to dictate to God how He/She/It could create the world. Where is their faith? Is their God too stupid to have developed evolution? Where is their humility before their God? Sigh, where is their brains?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:31 PM
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16. Seems one guy -PHD'er Wells - is causing more problems, as the lesson is
simply a summary of his book.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/

Creationist Jonathan Wells, an intelligent-design advocate affiliated with the Discovery Institute, has written a book entitled Icons of Evolution, which states that some of the best-known evidences for evolution -- such as the peppered moths, the Miller-Urey abiogenesis experiment, and the finches of the Galapagos islands -- are false, fraudulent or misrepresented in college-level textbooks. Articles found here refute Wells' book and demonstrate that the traditional, mainstream-science-supporting interpretations of these "icons" are correct.

http://www.ncseweb.org/icons/

The paradigm of evolution
Evolution is the unifying paradigm, the organizing principle of biology. Paradigms are accepted for their overall explanatory power, their "best fit" with all the available data in their fields. A paradigm functions as the glue that holds an entire field together, connecting disparate subfields and relating them to one another. A paradigm is also important because it fosters a research program creating a series of questions that give researchers new directions to explore in order to better understand the phenomena being studied. For example, the unifying paradigm of geology is plate tectonics; although not all geologists work on it, it connects the entire field and organizes the various disciplines of geology, providing them with their research programs. A paradigm does not stand or fall on a single piece of evidence; rather, it is justified by its success in overall explanatory power and the fostering of research questions. A paradigm is important for the questions it leads to, rather than the answers it gives. Therefore, the health of a scientific field is based on how well its central theory explains all the available data and how many new research directions it is spawning. By these criteria, evolution is a very healthy paradigm for the field of biology.
In his book Icons of Evolution (2000), Jonathan Wells attempts to overthrow the paradigm of evolution by attacking how we teach it. In this book, Wells identifies ten examples that are commonly used to help to teach evolution. Wells calls these the "icons," and brands them as false, out of date, and misleading. Wells then evaluates ten "widely used" high school and college biology textbooks for seven of these "icons" with a grading scheme that he constructed. Based on this, he claims that their treatments of these icons are so rife with inaccuracies, out-of-date information, and downright falsehoods that their discussions of the icons should be discarded, supplemented, or amended with "warning labels" (which he provides).
According to Wells, the "icons" are the Miller-Urey experiment, Darwin's tree of life, the homology of the vertebrate limbs, Haeckel's embryos, Archaeopteryx, the peppered moths, and "Darwin's" finches. (Although he discusses three other "icons" -- four-winged fruit flies, horse evolution, and human evolution -- he does not evaluate textbooks' treatments of them.) Wells is right about at least one thing: these seven examples do appear in nearly all biology textbooks. Yet no textbook presents the "icons" as a list of our "best evidence" for evolution, as Wells implies. The "icons" that Wells singles out are discussed in different parts of the textbooks for different pedagogical reasons. The Miller-Urey experiment isn't considered "evidence for evolution;" it is considered part of our experimental research about the origin of life and is discussed in chapters and sections on the "history of life." Likewise, Darwin's finches are used as examples of an evolutionary process (natural selection), not as evidence for evolution. Archaeopteryx is frequently presented in discussions of the origin of birds, not as evidence for evolution itself. Finally, textbooks do not present a single "tree of life"; rather, they present numerous topic-specific phylogenetic trees to show how relevant organisms are related. Wells's entire discussion assumes that the evidence for evolution is a list of facts stored somewhere, rather than the predictive value of the theory in explaining the patterns of the past and present biological world.
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And the book in question:http://www.facingthechallenge.org/icons.htm

As we have seen, however, the icons of evolution misrepresent the evidence. One icon (the Miller-Urey experiment) gives the false impression that scientists have demonstrated an important first step in the origin of life. One (the four-winged fruit fly) is portrayed as though it were raw materials for evolution, but is actually a hopeless cripple - an evolutionary dead end. Three icons (vertebrate limbs, Archaeopteryx, and Darwin's finches) show actual evidence but are typically used to conceal fundamental problems in interpretation. Three (three tree of life, fossil horses, and human origins) are incarnations of concepts masquerading as neutral descriptions of nature. And two icons (Haeckel's embryos, and peppered moths on tree trunks) are fakes. (Icons of Evolution, p. 229-230)

Jonathan Wells is a post-doctoral biologist and senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, and holds PhDs from both Yale University and the University of California at Berkeley. He is a member of several scientific associations and has been published widely in academic journals. He lives with his family near Seattle, Washington.


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einniv Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:49 PM
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17. ARRRRRGGGGGGGGG
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