SD House OKs Abortion Ban

[GarySeven]

Just wait people -- the next stop, murder indictments for every woman who has ever had an abortion ...

<excerpt>

... After debating for 2½ hours, House members voted 54-14 to outlaw nearly all abortions in South Dakota. ...

Getting the nation’s high court to revisit the Roe v. Wade decision is the very point of the legislation, House Bill 1191. Its language aims directly at Justice Marshall’s question. It declares that life begins at conception and that the due process of law under the South Dakota Bill of Rights applies equally to born and unborn human beings.

“This is the hour, this is the place, we are the people,” said Rep. Bill Van Gerpen, R-Tyndall.

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/Main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=83&ArticleID=9122

[truhavoc]

1. Won't they ever stop???

This is why the vast majority of women vote democrat! The repukes will never find this out. I am so damn glad for the words of Thomas Jefferson and the Constitution, otherwise this land would be hell. Anyone have a place in Canada I can live? :argh:

[LeftHander]

2. The US is becoming a religious state

Fundementalist christians want the US to be a religious state with leaders that are similar in nature to all other extremist religious political leaders in the world.

And they don't care about what anyone else thinks.

I suspect that in 5 years America will be overrun by extremist christians.

I will leave then.

[kerouac]

9. right-wing neo-cons. fear, greed and power

Much of today’s televangelism can be directly traced back to the 1930’s ‘ministries of hate.’ The media may have changed from radio to television, but the delivery is still in the style of Father Coughlin, whose radio broadcasts reach millions. His sermons are filled with virulent hate of Jews, Communism and Roosevelt.

Pat Robertson’s, Jerry Falwell’s, or even secular Rush Limbaugh’s ‘sermons’ follow the same formula today - whip up the fear factor, identify the 'other', blame the 'other' as the cause for the original fear.

Only now they carefully substitute hatred of gays, welfare (read that as the poor), abortion, unions or any liberal program designed to help the poor or working person, and of course- Bill Clinton, who has replaced Roosevelt as an object of scorn.

From
http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu4.html

[GarySeven]

16. hate radio

I am old enough to remember when these hate jockeys complained about the "Jewish Media" -- now they call it the "liberal media." People of my generation understand that, for many conservatives, the words "liberal" and "Jew" are interchangeable in this context.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Anyone considering voting 3rd party or not at all should read this

Because the USSC is the biggest prize after november

[Kathy in Cambridge]

8. I wish these third party voters would reconsider

If O'Connor and Rehnquist retire, and Bush* appoints two more justice in collusion with the Repuke house and senate, we are screwed.

[Walt Starr]

10. As a Five Percenter, I may or may not vote third party

If the nominee is polling 5% behind Bush in my state, I will consider it a forgone conclusion the nominee will lose my state and thus go third party.

If the nominee is polling 5% aheaad of Bush in my state, I will consider it a forgone conclusion the nominee will win my state and vote for a third party.

If the nominee is within the 5% margin, it's too close to risk voting for a third party.

[BiggJawn]

14. Comes down to who's cooking the numbers....

...doesn't it, Walt?

who's poll you gonna use? Hudson Institute? Zogby? CNN? FAUX?

It's too close and too vital to get up on election morning and stick your finger up to see which way the wind's blowing.

Don't forget, the mission this time is to un-horse Dim Son.

I find a thought-process of "well, I WOULD have voted for the Democrat, but the polls showed he was 8% down, so I voted for the Hallowe'en Party candidate..." reprehensible.

[Walt Starr]

19. Actually, as many as possible

I live in Illinois, so it's extremely likely any Dem will take the state by as much as 10% or more.

[BiggJawn]

27. Well, I'm in Indiana. We're not gonna elect ABB, either.

You know my state likes ReTHUGs in the White House, too.

So, am I gonna vote for Larouche, or Sister Boom-Boom, or just stay home and say "I'm sending a message"?

No...

Because if *I* say "It doesn't matter" and the NEXT person says "It doesn't matter" pretty soon...

It doesn't matter....

[Walt Starr]

33. It doesn't matter

And I am not about to throw away my vote when it doesn't matter.

45 - 55- or flee.

[booniapolis]

22. You might want to re-think that....

You may want to look at other factors such as, the Dem may be 5% behind because of third party support. Alternatively the Dem may only be 5% ahead because of third party support. Attacks from third party candidates serves to provide ammunition for the GOP.
Also, why don't you, instead of voting and/or campaigning for a third party, do both for the Dem nominee because you just have to look at what will happen if Bush gets another term.
Why not try and make the 5% GOP lead into only a 2% lead, or even try and put the Dem ahead because you know the what the consequences are.
Just a thought....

On edit: After reading your response to your response, why not try and get a GOP incumbent unseated. A gain in the open senate seat would really help.

[Walt Starr]

26. Nope, It's pragmatism at its best.

If the Democrats need my vote, they get it. If they don't a third gets it.

[Fla_Dem]

23. So you are going to let the polls decide your vote

which polls ?

[Walt Starr]

25. State polls

Whoever the Dem is, they'll probably be polling at least 7% ahead of Bush in Illinois come November 1st.

Until I step into the voting booth, I'll be officially "undecided".

[0rganism]

40. Watch out for that margin of error, Walt

Within 3%, 95% of the time, is considered quite acceptible for most pollsters. Your "5% ahead" nets just inside the common MOE. If you're going to be arbitrary, at least pick an outside number, like 7%. Nothing about 5% that 7% doesn't do better.

[Atlant]

15. Just remember -- on several of the big Anti-Abortion measures, Kerry...

Just remember -- on several of the big Anti-abortion measures, Kerry
did not vote. He was too busy campaigning, although an aide to his
campaign assured me in E-Mail that he would have been there "if
his vote had been needed".

Atlant

[Walt Starr]

20. sorta like how I'll be there

If my vote is needed.

[Atlant]

17. I've read this. And there's still time to nominate someone who could win

I've read this. And there's still time to nominate someone who
could actually win the General Election.

Atlant

[oldcoot]

4. I am afraid you are right

This legislation does open the way for indicting women who get abortions for murder. Technically the police would also be required to investigate all miscarriages as homicides. Fortunately, the Supreme Court will rule probably rule that this law is constitutional.

However, this case provides one very important example of why we must replace Bush in 2004. Since the courts are our last line of defense, we do not want to risk allowing Bush to replace any more judges or justices.

[GarySeven]

7. No statute of limitations

Remember, there is no statutory limitation for murder in any state. We can expect county jails to start filling up with women -- starting, of course, with the ones who vote Democrat.

[oldcoot]

11. Ex post facto laws

The U.S. Constitution prohibits states from passing ex post facto laws so the state cannot prosecute any woman who got an abortion prior to the ban (assuming this bill becomes law). I suspect that the county jails will fill up with poor women while middle and upper-class women will simply go to another state.

[Mandate My Ass]

5. Truly disheartening

This is obscene. And take a looksee at this:

The bill also places no restrictions on normal use of legal contraceptives prior to the time that pregnancy can be determined using conventional testing.

Does this mean at some point women will have to submit to a pregnancy test and prove negative before they get their BCPs??? Holy shit!

[Ripley]

13. Will they make me a criminal because I use BCP for a medical

condition....endometriosis? Of course it doubles as BC. It is none of these perverts damned business!!

:nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke:

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO AMERICA???????????????????????

[Mandate My Ass]

24. What is happening to America?

"A Handmaid's Tale" x(

[Ripley]

28. The really scary part..

Is the incredibly large number of women today who seem to be buying into the backlash against women (again). I can't tell you how many women I've heard say a woman just couldn't do the job of President of this country! I suppose they don't think they should really be judges, doctors or astronauts either. And this obsession with their damned looks. If I see one more botoxed, blonde 60 year old dressed like Brittney I'm gonna puke.

I think the put something in cosmetics that is Stepford wiving American women...

[Mandate My Ass]

29. A true story

My sister has a really cool 20-something friend who is smart, funny, politically active, well-informed and savvy and she hates Bush with a passion, in a large part because of his stance on women's issues. However, she has this really macho boyfriend who dictates when she goes out, with whom she can socialize, what she wears and even gives her a curfew! My sister recently asked her why she puts up with it and her reply was, "Well I'm sorry but I'm just not a bra-burner like you and your sister." :wow:

They've really succeeding in demonizing feminism among the younger set. And you're perfectly right about the youth worship and the lengths people go to to appear youthful, it impacts women much more than men.

[Iris]

30. her bra

will be the least of worries if she stays with him.

As far as the youth thing not impacting men - well, I think it does. If 50% of all marriages end in divorce, than that means 50% of men who marry get divorced, which could be because men buy into the idea that they cannot be satisfied with one woman all their lives, especially since ALL women age eventually. It's just dehumanizing all the way around.

[Ripley]

32. Arghhhhh!

Demonizing is Right! Why do young women run screaming from the word "feminist" as if it means you are admitting you are a psychopathic baby killer? Don't they teach women's history in college anymore? Sheesh.

[SeattleDem]

43. this means the morning-after pill is okay

IMO.

The morning after pill is nothing more than double-doses of bcp's given twice, 12 hours apart, starting within 72 hrs of intercourse. A pregnancy test will never become positive 72 hours after intercourse.

Therefore, I read this statement to mean that South Dakota is NOT limiting the use of drugs like "Plan B" (the trade name of an FDA-approved morning after pill, or a "normal use of a legal contraceptive prior to the time pregnancy can be determined...")

Some anti-choice zealots try to equate Plan B with abortion because it may prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, but the legislature seems to be saying that they either disagree or allow an "exception" in the case of the morning after pill.

[mac56]

6. Someone posted on another thread

that the SCOTUS will never overturn Roe v. Wade, even if there were nine Fat Tonys on the bench. The Repubs will never give up their number-one issue. The minute Roe v. Wade falls, the Republicans will lose the House, the Senate, the White House, and just about every state legislature and governorship.

[MaineDem]

12. I weep for the women who are losing because of this

Born and unborn? At what point? Is a zygot a human?

I'd be willing to bet that most of those 54 affirmative votes cam from men.

This is sad. Very very sad.

I don't know what else to say.

On edit...Welcome to DU, Gary. :hi:

[Iris]

21. Uh, check out Kari Weems's response to the rape question

“It doesn’t matter how a child begins. It matters what they become,” said Rep. Kari Weems, R-Sioux Falls. “It is a greater injustice to kill the blameless child.”


I assume "Kari" is a feminine spelling. What a saint she must be.

[MaineDem]

42. I can't read any more

My head is going to explode.

[Mushroom]

44. Keri Weems

check out her occupation.

http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/mbrdt484.htm

[Atlant]

18. This is Tom Daschle's state, right?

No wonder he dare not ever take a Democratic stance.

Atlant

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[GinaMaria]

34. looks like Ashcroft tried heading down that road

A move by U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to subpoena the medical records of 40 patients who received so-called partial-birth abortions at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago was halted—at least temporarily—when a Chicago federal judge quashed the information request.

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=11447

[Iris]

35. I may be way off base here,

but wouldn't it be better for them to be able to go through this? Assuming that no one would go through this procedure unless it was absolutley necessary, wouldn't it be good for the general public to hear some of the reasons for this procedure - such as a woman who is carrying a child with half a brain?

[MissB]

39. I'm not being critical

But I wouldn't agree that it is a good tactic. The info is out there, but there are ardent pro-lifers that simply do not care. There are already statistics out there that show how rare it is, and there are stories out there that talk about why women choose this procedure.

I'm assuming you're talking about Ashcroft's attempts here. From a strictly right-to-privacy issue, it is a bad move to accept his attempt.

[Iris]

41. "there are ardent pro-lifers that simply do not care"

I'm not suggesting these are the people who need to be reached. I'm thinking of the average American who thinks "partial-birth" abortion sounds barbaric but has no idea why this procedure may be necessary. If they actually thought they could be in the position of being forced to carryi a dead fetus or worse, they might realize what's at stake.

[Ripley]

36. THAT IS FRIGHTENING.

These guys are acting like the Mafia....cruel sick perverted misogynistic bullying thugs...all of em.

[SharonAnn]

37. Good grief, the Mitchell paper. I was born in Mitchell, SD

Sounds like they support what the SD House decided.

Sigh, why won't they just leave women alone? And why on earth would women allow the men to control their bodies?

[stitz58]

38. I work part time at the MItchell paper

The Publisher and editor are very conservative. I'm not surprised they back this legislation. Sickening!!!:puke:

[iamjoy]

45. Abortion

Mac56 - you think the Supreme Court would never overturn Roe V. Wade because the Repugs need it as an issue?

No, after outlawing abortion, they will start in on birth control. And after that, the right of people to choose their "end of life" care. And after that...

Never before has the true agenda of the "Religious Right" been so exposed.

Oldcoot - As for "ex post facto" that is the way things are now, who is to say what other sorts of assaults on our liberties John Ashcroft would make?

[bleedingheart]

46. ah wait until Mr. Van Gerpen's mistress gets caught having

an abortion and blows the whistle on him... then it will be the same republican hypocrisy...