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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:26 PM
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South Dakota Outlaws Abortion
In an overwhelming majority (54 - 15), the South Dakota house has outlawed nearly all abortions, permitting them only when the mother's life is in danger.

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"When we're considering an innocent life, the health of the mother is not a substantial enough justification to take the innocent life," said Republican Rep. Matt McCaulley, chief sponsor of the bill.

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:26 PM
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1. Can they do that?
What about Roe VS. Wade?
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:28 PM
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4. They can do it. The Courts will just say "WTF NO."
It's just so the right-wingers can have something to harp on during the campaign. It's a wedge vote, nothing more.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:28 PM
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5. It will likely go to the Supreme Court
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:27 PM
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2. Oh, for f*cks sake.
How much do you want to bet that he's pro-death penalty and pro-war. I wish these 'pro-lifers' would be pro-life when it came to capital punishment and war, too.
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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:28 PM
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3. WTF?
Hello 1984.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:29 PM
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6. Link?
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:31 PM
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8. This is the link
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:34 PM
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14. Thanks (n/t)
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:31 PM
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7. Anything to get WoMD and AWOL off front page.
Keep focused, people.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:34 PM
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13. I focus on this
Not that WMD & AWOL isn't important, but our civil liberties, our reproductive rights are way more important. That Dubya lied about these things matters now, but the outcome of today's judicial battles will be felt for years to come.

Who do you want appointing judges to the Appellate Courts and justices to the Supreme Court?

ABB!
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:32 PM
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9. These people are sickening.
Rep. McCaulley needs to get his filthy mind out of the ureterus and into therapy.

Apparently he isn't considering an innocent life. He's willing to sacrifice a person that is already functional and alive for his judgmental and invasive exercise of power.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:08 AM
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22. Maybe that is the problem???
He doesn't get enough uterus!! Must be all Janet Jackson's fault by arousing the man with the malfunction. Of course, when you get one malfunction there would be another. Yin Yang?
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:33 PM
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10. And what do the odds have to be
before the life of the mother exemption is granted?

Will it be up to the woman?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:34 PM
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11. Excuse me?
We need a link here.

They simply cannot do that. The Supreme Court will shoot it down by a 6-3 vote.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:34 PM
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12. Here's kind of a link
It doesn't say that it passed but it talks about the proposed bill down in the body of the article. The basically wants the courts to take on the issue of when does life begin.

http://www.southdakotaelections.com/Story.cfm?Type=Legislature&ID=2174

But the longest single debate could be Tuesday when the House of Representatives considers a bill that would have the effect of banning most abortions in South Dakota. It is designed to send to the federal courts a question sponsors say

hasn't been answered in 31 years of legalized abortion.

That question is: When does life begin?

If the current bill became law, South Dakota's Legislature would be saying life starts at fertilization, and the state believes all human life, including the unborn, deserves protection.

A New Jersey lawyer who testified on the bill during a committee hearing last week said the U.S. Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling didn't take on the question of life's beginning. Neither have subsequent rulings, Harold Cassidy said. He said abortion can be shown to harm women, physically, emotionally and mentally.

"If you show them this hurts women ... that case will be reconsidered," Cassidy said.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:40 PM
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15. Here's another link-- The state senate still has to pass it
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 11:40 PM by NewJerseyDem
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:41 PM
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16. so..
go next door and get one...problem solved.
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KCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:44 PM
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17. please tell me you don't really believe that's an option
:eyes:

Abortion is difficult to get in this country, especially in less-populated states.
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:48 PM
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19. "Go next door and get one"
is not a solution. It penalizes poor women who can't afford to travel.

It will be back to back-street abortions, which is where we started so many years ago. And I'm not willing to let that happen.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:58 PM
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20. Oh, they'll travel. This is a pimp bonanza bill.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 11:59 PM by aquart
Nothing like tripling the supply of white (seeing as it's South Dakota)teenage girls desperate enough to run away from home because they don't want the folks to know they're not virgins.

It's a de facto white slavery bill.

Funny how the people who pass such bills are middle-aged white men who can't get any unless they pay for it.

It's a prostitute procurement bill.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:46 PM
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18. I think they're trying to use this as a wedge issue for the election
the special election to fill Janklow's seat is coming up. They know this law has no chance in hell of being enacted, the courts will throw it out in a heartbeat. But this will bring up the abortion issue for that election.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:06 AM
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21. Indiana Executive Order 2004-0486
I hereby declare Rep Matt McCaulley of South Dakota eligible for the death sentence to be carried out immediately upon custody. Bounty hunters are permitted to use any means to apprehend the guilty suspect.
In addition, all Repugs from the State of South Dakota found within the jurisdiction of the State of Indiana shall be fingerprinted, photographed, scoped, deloused, tattoo, pierced and microchipped. Not neccessarily in that order.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:13 AM
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23. Great. More good news.
What a sucky night this is. :argh:
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:17 AM
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24. This is sickening.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:19 AM
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25. iamjoy
When posting in LBN, please match the article title with the title of your post. Thanks.

"South Dakota Lawmaker OKs Abortion Ban"

Link to LBN Rules
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