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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:12 PM
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GEORGE W. BUSH RELEASES MILITARY SERVICE RECORDS: GUILT PROVED
http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=9275

GEORGE W. BUSH RELEASES MILITARY SERVICE RECORDS. IT BACKFIRES.

President George W. Bush has had the White House release his disputed military pay records, and the results are not what George Bush obviously hoped for and what his PR man is spinning so superficially. Looking closer, the military service pay and retirement records prove that George Bush is GUILTY AS CHARGED by Sen. John Kerry and others.

The records show George W. Bush was paid for only 9 days' service between May 1972 and May 26, 1974, when his 6 years in the Texas Air National Guard were up. That's 9 days out of 2 years while your fathers, sons, brothers, comrades-in-arms, uncles, and friends were dying in Vietnam. In 2 years (24 months), a "normal" ANG member would have attended twenty-four 2-day weekend drills and two 2-week summer encampments: a total of 68 days. Bush served 9, according to the records just released.

The records basically show that Bush did not attend required drills for the final two years of his ANG service: guilty as charged. He had been ordered to attend "nine certain duty days in person during Summer Camp at Ellington AFB between May 22 and June 7." THOSE ARE THE 9 DAYS THE WHITE HOUSE HAS JUST UNEARTHED. THAT'S 9 DAYS OUT OF 2 YEARS. Apparently he did not serve at all - for 2 years - except for 9 days during one 2-week period.

President Bush was prematurely discharged from the Texas ANG on October 1, 1973 (the guys in the rice paddies should have been so lucky) to attend Harvard. BASICALLY, THE FACT REMAINS THAT, BETWEEN MAY 1972 AND OCTOBER 1, 1973, BUSH WAS ABSENT WITHOUT PERMISSION. THIS WOULD HAVE CONSTITUTED AWOL IF ANYONE NOTICED AND CARED. Senator Kerry and the Democrats have been generous in limiting claims of shirking to only the year between May 1972 and May 1973.

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:14 PM
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1. Sweeet headline !
:)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:15 PM
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2. The media should look into Bush's driver's license scrubbing next.
Why would an individual get a new driver's license? Too many tickets? Too many arrests? What is he trying to hide?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:20 PM
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6. EXACTLY, cat girl
I would LOVE to know what his old SSN was, and how often individuals, in their 40's, get NEW ONES

smelly, very smelly
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:15 PM
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3. OOH! Fun.
Can't wait to see the fallout.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:52 PM
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:17 PM
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4. Well, then,...no wonder the WH was asserting "case closed" *LOL*!!!
I wonder if they're spinning to spin their spinning (oh, Gawd help me,...I am starting to sound like Rummy with his "we know that we don't know and know there are things that we don't know about what we don't know" *giggle*).
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Badger1 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:19 PM
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5. Will be interesting
It will be interesting how Niteline covers the story tonight. Probably a whitewash of the story with no real investigation into what the papers say. Funny, been looking for these damn reports for twelve years and now they turn up! Shrub said on Sunday that he would release all documents and then these turn up on Monday! God must be on his side. God Bless Merica!
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:23 PM
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7. AWOL?
I don't know if he was technically AWOL. However, he is still corrupt and a damned shame to the country.

He is either AWOL or used his connections to avoid actual service.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:53 PM
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19. AWOL can be for the following
Article 86
"Any member of the armed forces who, without authority
  • fails to go to his appointed place of duty at the time prescribed;
  • goes from that place; or
  • absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

Required elements
  • Failure to go to appointed place of duty
    • a certain authority designated a certain time and place of duty for the accused;
    • the accused knew of that time and place; and
    • the accused, without authority, failed to go to the appointed place of duty at the designated time.

  • Leaving appointed place of duty
    • certain authority appointed a certain time and place of duty for accused;
    • accused knew of that time and place; and
    • the accused, without authority, went from the appointed place of duty after reporting to such place;

  • Absence from unit, organization or place of duty
    • accused absented himself from his unit, organization or place of duty at which he was required to be;
    • that the absence was without authority from anyone competent to give him leave; and
    • absence was for a certain period of time.
      • if absence terminated by apprehension the following is a required element
        • the absence was terminated by apprehension

  • Abandoning watch or guard
    • accused was a member of a guard, watch or duty;
    • the accused absented himself from his guard, watch or duty section
    • absence of accused was without authority and
      • if absence was with intent to abandon guard, watch or duty the following element is required
        • accused intended to abandon his guard, watch or duty section

  • Absence from unit, organization or place of duty with intent to avoid maneuvers or field exercises
    • accused absented himself from his unit, organization or place of duty at which he was required to be;
    • absence was without authority
    • absence for a certain period of time;
    • accused knew absence would occur during a part of a period of maneuvers or field exercises; and
    • accused intended to avoid all or part of a period of maneuvers or field exercises.
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:24 PM
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8. $2,000 Reward for anyone who served with *
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 10:37 PM by undergroundrailroad


Edited to include link to above graphic.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:25 PM
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9. Kick for a story with growing legs!
:kick:
:D
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:28 PM
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10. The gang that couldn't shoot straight
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:05 AM
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29. Thanks for posting that picture
I remember it well, but could not find it recently.
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M_Demo_M Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:33 PM
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11. Are they that arrogant,
or think the press and the public are so stupid that
we aren't going to notice that he only served 9 days during
that time period!?!
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:38 PM
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13. I think they think it doesn't matter
They hope it will die out before November.
That's why we have to use this momentum to tackle the REAL stories!
Plame, Cheney Energy Task Force, Senate thievery, etc...
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:38 PM
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12. AWOL? heh, they were probably glad to get the creep out of their hair.
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evworldeditor Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:26 PM
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14. Have any of you actually read the PDF file?
I just read the official document released by the White House that includes microfiche copies of Bushes pay records. It appears he met the minimum standards for service -- though I question exactly how all this was calculated. I don't see how what I read justifies the statement of this thread, that his guilt is proved.

I am not defending the guy, but I think we better speak truthfully in this forum.

Bill
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:05 AM
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30. There is at least one incorrect statement in the article:
This one: "The records show George W. Bush was paid for only 9 days' service between May 1972 and May 26, 1974,..."

The Personnell Record Card shows * also earned 32 points for UTA (Unit Training Assembly) attendance between May 27, 1972 and May 26, 1973.

The 9 points for Active Duty Training + 32 points for UTA attendance + the 15 "Freebie" points everybody gets = a "good" year.

I want to hang this bastard worse than you can imagine, but these documents are not going to do it.
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Zo Zig Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:48 PM
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15. On a similar subject
Anyone remember the records on Harkin, at the SEC that Pitt was looking for? Were they ever found?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:49 PM
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:51 PM
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17. Why is the last elected president running for president again or something?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:53 PM
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:54 PM
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22. buh-bye!!
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:07 AM
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32. Differing opinions are cool...
Ignorance is a different matter. Spelling also counts.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:55 PM
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25. Why don't you go sniffing in his crotch some more and find out? n/t
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:54 PM
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21. how many
days did the CURRENT pResident spend fighting and dying in the rice paddies during the Vietnam war?
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M_Demo_M Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:57 PM
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28. Try as you might to change the subject
it doesn't change a thing about our current Presidents "service".

PS Bill Clinton is no longer President and is not running this year.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:55 PM
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26. What * worry?
As a member of the imperial crooked dynasty above the law, he reported when he felt like it and then just blew it off.
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