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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:30 AM
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DNA database of marijuana created
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 09:31 AM by saigon68
MERIDEN, Conn., July 25 — State forensic scientists are taking the war on drugs to the molecular level. Researchers are compiling a database of DNA from marijuana seized by authorities in an attempt to track the nation’s pot distribution network from grower to smoker

http://www.msnbc.com/news/944108.asp?0bl=-0

The database being developed in Connecticut is not nearly large enough to begin tracking marijuana nationwide. But Heather Miller Coyle, a Connecticut forensic scientist, said if the state’s $340,000 federal grant is renewed next year, she hopes federal agencies will begin sending their samples for analysis

Comment----Another waste of your TAX DOLLARS

Glad to see that ASHCRAP didn't waste any money on daycare, prescriptions etc
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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:38 AM
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1. Somebody must have been really stoned to think this one up n/t
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:46 AM
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2. Good Lord, what a waste of time and money..
I get so angry when I read articles like this. Pot is harmless and we have a bunch of other crap out there destroying lives and killing people.

They say they go after pot and pot smokers because it's a "gateway" drug. They should go after the biggest gateway drug there is...booze.

Thank God I live in a state where pot is decriminalized.
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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:55 AM
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11. You mean Canada?
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 10:55 AM by DeathvadeR
As sfar as i know, The feds don't even want sick people smoking the herb. let alone the average joe, so if your state decriminilized it, I wouldn't hold out a night time raid by these aholes. and do you need a roomie?????? Ive got some PAAAAPPPEEEEERRSSSS/
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:03 PM
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13. Nope, Colorado
You can possess up to 9 OZ. of weed before it's a felony. Otherwise,they just give you a ticket and you pay a fine. If you go to court and demand an 8 person jury trial, they will drop the charges all together because it costs about 1,000 to seat a jury that big. Not to mention the fact they have to lab test the weed and your pipes and such, which also costs money. Plus, the officers rarely show up to testify. This is how I beat the rap. >:-)

It was the DA who informed me that pot is basically decriminalized in Colorado.
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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 06:28 PM
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21. Puff Puff Give Mutha $@*$er.......
Your @!*#$&in Up the Program!!!!!

Ya Oregon is about that way to. But its still against the law with a misdemeanor charge, And try and get any finacial school money if youve been busted, cuzz i guess stoners can't go to school?>???
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:36 PM
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39. Just make sure not to get caught by a Fed, even inside Colorado
The Feds will charge it as a federal offense, no matter what the laws are in the state you are actually in.

That's what has been happening in California with medical marijuana projects.

Which also means you have to watch out for even local and state officers who might either a) not agree with the new penalties, or b) have it out for you for some reason, and might just ring up a DEA they know to come by and charge you, instead of charging you under the state law.

It's happened before.

I'm just saying, continue to be careful until prohibition is lifted federally.

And remember kids, stay in school!

:smoke:



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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:44 AM
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48. YIKES!
I had no idea. Thanks for the info.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:09 PM
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38. They go after pot because it cuts into profits
The drugmakers don't like it that people buy something that works for them instead of the dangerous crap the drug companies want to foist on us for enormous cost. The garmet industry doesn't like it, the tobacco and alcohol companies don't like it, etc, etc.
Has nothing to do with the myth of being a gateway drug.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:50 AM
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3. Hard as I try...
...I just can't imagine a single useful reason to do this.

Do they have any idea how decentralized domestic marijuana farming is nowdays?
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:51 AM
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4. nope
but if anything, this will lead to less marijuana being sold and more hashish being sold.
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:46 PM
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16. it's the same DNA
as both products are from the same plant.

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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:58 AM
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5. When they study the DNA of marijuana
They are studying the DNA of God.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #5
29. Hahah! So true.
That's all I got to say about THAT.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:59 AM
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6. Still haven't found the Anthrax attackers, Osama, the Zodaic Killer,
The guy who bombed Yale a couple months ago, D.B. Cooper, etc. yet we're gonna spend taxpayer money on this bullshit?

Jeez, I wonder why they're not proposing a similar program to track the Crack distribution network...could it be because they've got their fingers in that pie? Hmmmm...
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. i figured out who makes the crack..
it's the suckers with the badges and the blue jackets!

Adam Yauch - 1989
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none Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:38 AM
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8. none
all that money for some people trying to get a harmless buzz

you know pot willn ever be legalized.

why?


because those who have most to gain from it be a crimminal act will do their best to keep it as a legal act. legalizing pot will bring in competition to the once very secluded black market.
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mercator Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:00 PM
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24. harmless buzz..
How old are you?

I've met someone that 10 years ago was in highschool with me. He was a pretty sharp guy.

Well, after 6 or 7 years of heavy pot usage, he's practically a retard and having to go away for 30 days to rehab.

Only a very foolish child would think of pot as harmless. Apparently they've never seen the distruction first hand.
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ChillEB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:30 PM
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30. Bullcrap...
I agree that 'harmless' is downplaying the situation a bit, but I don't buy your story for one second. You are either lying deliberately, or you simply have no clue. I know MANY MANY MANY people who have smoked pot daily for decades (including my dad). Not ONE of them is even REMOTELY a "retard". They are amongst the sharpest people I know, many own their own successful businesses, they all enjoy perfectly normal 'health' for people their age, and all of them have quit smoking pot for various periods of time (as have I) with little or not trouble whatsoever - let alone needing a 30 day in-house rehab program.

I GUARANTEE you this cat was addicted to something else as well. He may not have told you (since you don't sound like a very understanding person, at first glance, anyway) about it, but I ASSURE you that pot was not his only problem, nor was it his main problem.

Furthermore, comparing the danger of pot to the highly toxic, legal drug commonly known as 'alcohol' would be like comparing water to heroin. Which is to say "Not even in the same league"...

You might want to save your bullshit propaganda for people who don't know any better...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:38 PM
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32. There was actually a study done recently...
...that put pot users IQ one or two points lower than their IQ before they started taking pot. I don't think that such a small discrepancy is even relevant at all, and is probably more do to cultural behaviors that pot users might do rather than an actual chemical damage (ie, no offense, but we all know sitting around toking out isn't exactly challenging to the brain).

THC affects a lone region in the brain, and it kills no brain cells (in fact, the CO2 would probably kill more brain cells than the marijuana itself- I recall a study done with monkeys where they smoked 30 marijuana cigarettes a day, and it was shown that the damage that occured was actually related to CO2 damage- the monkeys couldn't breath!- in any case, the study was initally used to 'prove' that marijuana was harmful).
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:31 PM
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31. I'm willing to wager that pot wasn't the only thing that guy did.
Just like anything... excessive use of something is harmful for you. If the guy did pot, and basicaly didn't have a life, this can't be blamed solely on pot. The guy would've wound up the same way if he did that but with alcohol.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #24
40. I've been a heavy pot smoker since 1966
and you mercator are full of crap.
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akitamata Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 03:46 AM
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42. Yes!
But only a foolish "adult" would spread such crap about something they apparently have never smoked.
You come off as dumb as an Ashcroft, and worse, you help perpetuate lies.
I have smoked marijuana and hashish for 32 years and I have 2 houses, a luxury auto, more electronics equipment and software than I can use.I have my own business and it produces more income and work than I have ever had from any employer that demanded a drug-test from me. By all the material standards of western society, I seem to be succeeding. If you also consider my familial spawn and the vast network of friends and professional engagements I have, well, apparently marijuana doesn't impair a person such as myself. Add my marriage of 28 years, my responsibility for some 4 godchildren, 5 nephews, a niece and numerous animal/family members (pets)...frankly, I don't even SEE your point.
Get a life, get some real world experience, get your nose out of the myth and go try some marijuana for what ails you. It may even help you to switch your political affiliation, freep man...;)akita
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 06:48 AM
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44. WRONG WRONG WRONG
That is the most ignorant story I've ever heard.


Well, after 6 or 7 years of heavy pot usage, he's practically a retard and having to go away for 30 days to rehab.

If he was acting like a retard, it had to be because he was doing something other than smoking pot.

How do I know this?

I'm a daily pot smoker for over 30 years. I have a family, I'm a homeowner, and I have a job where I'm in control of $15mil in sales per year.

I don't have any mental problems, and I'm respected in my community.

You need to take your right wing talking points to another arena, they won't float here.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #24
46. total bullshyt
oh that *evil* WEED!!

/sarcasm
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veronica Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #6
26. Have you ever made crack?
There's no way to have any sort of program to follow crack distribution ... pot at least can be identified like any other plant :)
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:39 AM
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9. Maybe they should track the DNA of shit that is hitting the fan
in DC.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:49 AM
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10. OUTSTANDING POST
Hits the fan (I'm impressed) :-)
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:14 PM
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14. the problem with the shit that hits the fan is that...
it is rarely evenly distributed.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:03 AM
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12. unbelievable....
The war on drugs-- what a joke! How many lives have been irreversibly altered, not by pot smoking, but by government and law enforcement persecution? When will they get it?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:19 PM
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15. WE NEEN TO FIND OUT WHAT IT COSTS TO DO ONE TEST
THEN FIGURE OUT ALL THE WASTED LABOR :smoke: INVOLVED TO OBTAIN, WAREHOUSE,TRANSPORT TO THE TEST, THE TEST AND THE COST OF THE DATA BANK.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:05 PM
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17. It's Worse than That
Most of the planes that were supposed to be protecting us from something like 9/11
had actually been diverted to look for drug smugglers, so they weren't there for us
when 9/11 happened.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:22 PM
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18. I'll do my part to help
Send all samples to me :evilgrin:
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:27 PM
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19. I'm wondering...
if they'll put the DNA database online, with like maybe some supporting info, like potency by region, that sort of stuff. Inquiring minds want to know.

yella
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:38 PM
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20. Yep. Glad to see my tax dollars at work
I am always hearing about how many states do not have enough funding for social services and law enforcement. I would much rather the federal government provide grants to the different states so the states could hire additional social workers, police officers, and probation officers than waste money on tracking marijuana.
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 07:42 PM
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22. Or use that money/time on the STUDIES
They're always talking about. You know, the studies that will prove Cannabis harmless and in many cases actually GOOD for you?

Or how it can help AIDS/cancer/glaucoma/asthma patients?

:grr:

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veronica Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:13 PM
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28. Pot studies
If they're not spending the time/money on the studies, how do you know it'll prove pot is harmless or helpful? They haven't done the studies ;)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. Who haven't done the studies?
Most studies on pot which are lacking are actually studies on hemp and the industrial variations of cannibas... why? Because hemp (which is basically marijuana) is banned, and to study it argriculturally, it must be grown in mass, and we can't do this. Well, at least, not until recently, because Canada, for example, has taken their ban off of hemp. Other countries allow the growth of hemp. The US could have a huge boon if we unbanned cannibas/hemp/marijuana.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:42 PM
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35. Hah, we don't need studies! We just need rational officals!
Seriously, we know damn well that marijuana isn't any more bad for us than other marketed drugs, like cigarettes and alcohol! Goddamn. The main reason cannibas is banned, in my humble opoinion, is that it's a very very useful plant, in that it can be used from food to clothing to paper to textiles. (Ever see people walking around in hemp clothes all hippy-like?)

It would be huge if it was unbanned. Smoking cannibas is not the primary economic good that'd come from it.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 07:49 PM
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23. They'll likely also use it to tailor a virus to attack marijuana plants.
And a few mutations later...
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mercator Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. good.
If the pot plant could become extinct, we'd be a lot better off.

WAYYYYY too many people self-medicate with this nasty drug.
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ChillEB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:42 PM
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34. Tell that to the cancer patients...
who are alive right now because of the appetite that pot magically provides, allowing them to eat the food they need to fight the disease without puking it back up due to the nausea induced by chemotherapy - an effect provided by no other known substance, organic or otherwise. I'm sure they'll agree with your propaganda nonsense. :eyes:

Pot has never been proven to be physically addictive, nor has it ever been proven (neither scientifically, nor anecdotally) to be harmful to one's health in any way. It is unquestionably the least damaging of any substance one can use to alter their consciousness. Alcohol is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more dangerous, in every conceivable sense of the word. Your words would make 100x more sense if you were referring to the physically addictive, violence-producing, toxic-to-every-cell-and-organ-of-the-body POISON known as Ethyl Alcohol, which accounts for 26% of drug deaths worldwide, yearly (second to nicotine, at 61%). All illegal drugs put together account for 3% of deaths due to drugs each year. So put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, pal...
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:18 AM
Response to Reply #25
43. your ignorance is showing
how exactly would we be "a lot better off" "if the pot plant could become extinct"?

better off because people couldn't do something that YOU, in your complete ignorance, don't approve of??

try it before you knock it. then if you don't like it, don't do it.
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #25
45. Dude....you need help
You are speaking on a subject that you obviously know NOTHING about. That makes you not so smart.

Save your self now and just don't post anymore on this subject. It is very unattractive.


When you do some research and can discuss this with some INTELLIGENCE, we will be happy to debate. Until then follow the old saying;

"It is best to be thought of as a fool, than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #25
47. tombstoned, i see
just where you were meant to be!
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Aaron Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:59 AM
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41. Can't they just grow hemp?
AFAIK the hemp fertilizes the marijuana and it ruins it for smoking.

But I'm no drug expert so I could be wrong.
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 07:21 AM
Response to Reply #41
49. hemp=marijuana=cannabis
Same plant, different names.
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ChillEB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:12 PM
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27. People! This is a VERY IMPORTANT use of tax dollars!
Next time I get some shit that looks like da bomb, but turns out to be not that stony, I want to be able to use the database to track down the idiot that grows this bunk shit and teach him how to properly grow 'da kine'...

I applaud Ashcan for finally figuring out how to put our tax dollars to GOOD use.

:hippie: :smoke: :beer: :silly: :smoke: :beer: :crazy: :smoke: :beer: :puke: :hangover:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. Damn Straight
Just think of all the stoners who would love to have something like this. You could trace the genealogy of your favorite buds.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #27
37. Hahaha
:(

Not funny. :P
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 08:14 AM
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50. Um Dont the US Law enforcemnt have better things to do than Bust Potheads?
I mean really!
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