Palin Breaks With McCain On (Constitutional) Gay Marriage Ban

[Ichingcarpenter]

Source: CBS NEWS

(COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO.) - In an interview with CBN’s David Brody, Sarah Palin signaled her support for a constitutional ban on gay marriage, a position that John McCain once described as “antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans.”

“I am, in my own, state, I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that that's where we would go because I don't support gay marriage,” Palin said.

“I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that's casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it's the foundation of our society is that strong family and that's based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that.”

When the federal marriage amendment was being debated in 2004, John McCain broke from his party’s leadership and took to the Senate floor to denounce it in notably stark language.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20/politics/fromtheroad/entry4531945.shtml

[mediaman007]

1. Maybe she would be for "relationships outside of traditional marriage!"

[ceejdre82]

4. she wouldn't have to worry about being a grandma so soon

if her daughter was a lesbian

[QC]

35. Like fucking her husband's business partner?

Good thing that doesn't violate the sanctity of marriage!

[NJmaverick]

2. What do her "gay firiends" think of this position?

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. What about her Running mate? Now he's got to make a stand on a Constitutional question

on gay marriage, like he didn't have enough problems. She's a gift every time she opens her
mouth without a chaperone.

[sunnystarr]

33. She's starting her 2012 campaign ... (nt)

[LiberalFighter]

56. I wonder what idiot is advising her if any?

[fascisthunter]

5. Hey Sarah... mind your own business

you nazi

[snappyturtle]

6. What are sp and people like 'her' afraid of? The hell she's not

judging individuals! I have a 'traditional' marriage and do not feel threatened by gay marriage. I support gay marriage.

[Sunny_Sunshine]

32. If Same Sex marriage became legal in MO - it could affect me

Even though I am hetero and have a traditional marriage. I would have to figure out whose family pays for the wedding if my son wants to get married. This could get very confusing. We might have to throw out all those tradition of what the brides family does and the grooms family does. Of course, I've been telling my kids for a long time to think beach in Jamaica or an Elvis impersonator in Vegas.

[LiberalFighter]

57. Start a new tradition regarding the paying of weddings.

Just like the white wedding dress or any really fancy dress was not part of the wedding.

[ColonelTom]

7. cognitive... dissonance... brain... hurting...

In this corner, Sarah Palin:

"I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that that's where we would go because I don't support gay marriage,"

And in this corner... Sarah Palin:

"I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here"

FAIL.

[DBoon]

9. that one's easy

Gays don't count as "individuals". Gays in her view are less than human, and do not deserve the same rights as others.

I think this is really the subtext to the anti-gay marriage movement.

[xxqqqzme]

19. Maybe they can be counted as 3/5 of a person

as a starting point. Then they can progress through the Constitution as African-Americans have.

[mac56]

16. Republicans are less troubled by hypocrisy than normal people are.

nm

[LiberalFighter]

58. But nothing about a woman having sex with more than one man.

[9thkvius]

8. Traditional marriage indeed - heh

I guess her definition of traditional marriage includes the use of a firearm to force marriage between two teenagers, one of who is pregnant.

[Stuckinthebush]

10. Palin is jettisoning John

She sees the writing on the wall and realizes that they won't win in November.

Palin is setting herself up as the Religious Right candidate for 2012. Ugh. Let's just hope that her brand is so tarnished from all of this that she is no more than a blip on the political history map.

[LeftHander]

11. She is stupid....so are people who oppose equal rights....nt

[CitizenPatriot]

12. coming from a person who cheated on their spouse,

I don't see what she can possibly know about protecting "traditional marriage". Looks to me like the biggest threat it faces are people like her.

That said, how dare this illiterate moran even suggest changes to our constitution? Coming from an AIP supporter, this CONCERNS me.

Furthermore, as a human being and American citizen, I support gay rights and those include marrying their partner if they choose to do so. I am really beyond outrage at this point. How dare she? She would deem to tell other Americans what they can do? What happened to "smaller government and letting the states decide'?

HOw dare she try to stop -- at the constitutional level, no less-what people have fought so hard for -- the right to visit their partner in the hospital, the right to the same benefits other married couples get?

[kleec]

13. Oh please

who the hell is she to define traditional anything? Except perhaps, being a mouthpiece and windup doll.

[2QT2BSTR8]

14. I encourage everyone to read up on Prop 8 in CA

If Proposition 8 is passed, it has been said that it will set the GLBT rights movement back a decade as it ripples across the country.

I know that these are tough financial times for everyone, but help from everyone is needed to help SAY NO TO PROP 8 in CA.

http://www.noonprop8.com/

[CADEMOCRAT7]

34. It will not pass.

We in CA, we will not pass prop 8. We were at a street festival yesterday, and there was a lot of support on NO to prop 8.

[Zhade]

40. I agree, but we must stay vigilant.

NT!

[CADEMOCRAT7]

45. True. Keep speaking out and loud, and I will do the same. n/t

[Piewhacket]

47. CALIF - Just vote NO! NO on 8. Simple

CA should never vote YES on propositions unless we are
DAMN sure what we are doing.

in this case its easy. no good argument in favor and
several compelling arguments against.
for starters, it creates an exception to equal protection of law,
a foundational protector of EVERYONE's civil rights.
in short, 8 is a legal and moral abomination.

the mormon church have made a serious blunder here. they are acting
far too much in politics, control at least two US states
and it may be damn well seriously past time to review
their tax exempt status and political activities.
they have called attention to themselves here.
we are not a theocracy, nor going to become one by inches.
I could say more, and you know I can and will if I must!

But no need now, for this matter is simple.
Just say no to 8. Its the correct thing to do.

I'm Piewhacket of DU and I approved this message.

[mac56]

15. Any response on this from the Log Cabin Republicans?

...crickets chirping....

[mitchum]

26. No, they are too busy counting their money

[frogcycle]

17. holy dumbness, batman!

These two strings of words they don't let me just say make a sentence between either both or neither of them as far as I can see Russia.

It's like you shake her head like one of those snowflake thingies, and then words just come tumbling out.

[Doctor_J]

18. Hmmm...85% "Country on wrong track". DJIA down 75% from peak.

10% real unemployment. Foreclosures still an epidemic. War with no end. Afghanistan in chaos.

Why are we talking about this? Is there any doubt why China is pulling ahead?

[a la izquierda]

20. I have an interesting take on this issue.

My mom is gay. She has three heterosexual daughters, two of whom are married (my youngest sister and I). I remember telling my conservative in-laws about it before I got married, fearing their reaction; but they didn't care, they viewed it as McCain did in 2004, essentially as none of the government's darned business. I was happy. My husband and I, and my sister and brother in law could give a rat's ass who my mom married (well, we'd prefer it be her longtime partner, but you know what I'm getting at). Our marriages are not in danger because our mother, the person closest to us besides our spouses, is gay. The argument that Palin et al. toss out there is bunk, theocratic BS aimed at one more way to force religious beliefs down the throats of others (and my family is Catholic, btw). So long as a marriage is loving, and trust me, my parents' marriage was anything but, the bond should be between two people regardless of sex.

Piss off, Palin. Yet, keep spewing your hateful rhetoric. The only people you're impressing are the dolts who already worship you. The rest of the sane folks think you're fit for the looney bin.

[xxqqqzme]

21. Did this woman flunk English?

'..."...speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it's the foundation of our society is that strong family and that's based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that.”...'

Is that so!

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. And people think she has a chance in 2012

She can't even talk to the Christian Broadcasting network and not sound like
an idiot. I really have to struggle when I read her when she is spontaneous and not under script.

[TommyO]

28. Those aren't people, they're right-wing fundamentalist repukes.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

48. Depends on what your definition of "that" is...

She described herself perfectly when she said she was a redneck. She's ignorant and bigoted. Worse than that is the fact that she's proud of those traits.

[LiberalFighter]

60. She got a journalism degree...

after traveling thru 5 colleges in 6 years.

Hmm which college finally gave it to her?

[Javaman]

23. What else do you expect to hear from anti-American alaskan firster...

"I am, in my own, state, I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans... "

[NickB79]

24. Maybe McCain should demand a debate with Palin next. NT

[mitchum]

25. "Marriage should be between a teenage man and a teenage woman...

especially when they have a second baby on the way"

[Stellabella]

27. Hey Sarah, you fricking idiot:

You ARE "sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do"

You are literally preventing people from doing what they want to do. Are you really that stupid, Sarah, or don't you understand what a constitutional amendment does? Or even with the Constitution means?

[Faygo Kid]

29. She is going to dump him soon, and set herself up with the base.

Her words will not be kind to McCain after Nov. 4.

[AnAnonymousDemocrat]

52. I absolutely agree with you

She knows they've lost, so now she's abandoning the ship.

[Frank Cannon]

59. Yup. Here's hoping she takes those freaks with her...

to start her own "Dominionist" party. That could well drive the wooden stake through the heart of the Republican party once and for all.

[LynnTheDem]

30. Yes coz "equal rights" is just a saying, eh Palin'?

If ya don't support gay marriage, Palin'...DON'T MARRY A GAY.

Stupid MFing useless tit.

[AzDar]

31. She's just a ridiculous twunt.

Her 15 minutes should be just about up...

[yardwork]

36. So Palin is against state's rights to make their own laws, free of federal interference?

I guess that conservative "hands off" attitude only counts when Republicans are protecting guns, not bodies.

[Kali]

37. well, if the "bodies" are in utero...

states rights it is

[yardwork]

41. I get so confused about what is and isn't conservative these days.

Amending the U.S. Constitution to repeal state laws and take away rights. Check. Very conservative, apparently.

Supreme Court decision to repeal state laws restricting constitutional rights. Terrible! Horrible! Activist judges! Bad!

Protecting the Constitution by interpreting the Second Amendment as broadly as humanly possible. Now THAT'S conservative!

:shrug:

[ryanmuegge]

38. Oooh, those mavericks.

[Zhade]

39. Hateful bigot.

McThuselah picking this brain-dead idiot was the best gift he could have given us.

[Cass]

42. She wants a constitutional ban on gay marriage yet for abortion

she's all for state's rights. Palin told Katie Couric she was a states rights kind of gal about her opposition to Roe v. Wade. She even went so far as to call herself a "federalist".

"I think it should be a states issue not a federal government, mandated, mandating yes or no on such an important issue," said Palin, who opposes abortion except in cases where the pregnancy threatens the woman's life.

"I'm in that sense a federalist, where I believe that states should have more say in the laws of their lands and individual areas," she added. http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=1489345&nid=213

In contemporary usage, as articulated by president Bush's New Federalism, federalists advocate the principle of greater regional autonomy within the United States—usually by allowing individual states to set their own agendas and determine the handling of issues, rather than trying to impose a nationally uniform solution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist#The_United_States

So which philosophy DOES she subscribe to - granting states the autonomy to govern themselves as they see fit or the imposition of nationally uniform laws/regulations?

[Maeve]

43. Way to get the independent vote, Sarah!

That ought to clinch...no one that has a mind to change at this point.

[Nevernose]

44. If you're opposed to gay marriage, don't marry a gay person.

I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here...

Telling gay people they can't get married IS "telling them what they can and can't do," is it not? Don't give us bullshit like that. If you're a bigoted busybody, Sarah, at least have the guts to come out and say it. But don't give us bullshit like that.

[Piewhacket]

46. Ain't it obvious? She's either off the reservation.....

OR THE INTENDED CANDIDATE!

My medical expert has suggested the 72 McCain is not cured of cancer
and may have at most three years, assuming he doesn't die naturally
before then.... or for that matter, accidentally eat a poison potato(e).

Yup, nobody better relax. Palin's stench has to be scrubbed from the
political landscape... and then we need to go after the scum who set
this up so it won't happen again.

lots of work to do. nobody on DU better relax.
one day off only. election day.
well, the day after too, for celebration.

Then back to work! (whip-crack)

[zelta gaisma]

49. off the reservation? now don't insult Am.Indians by...

connecting Palin to them! Obama is going to win over McCain/palin not by a landslide but by a Tsunami! The only good Tsunami ever I'm betting.(singing) I'm gonna wash them republicans right outta my hair!I'm gonna wash them republicans right outta my hair!(end singing)


ok I know I'm having a disturbing moment here but hey, LAUGH, we need it. At least *I* do.

[Piewhacket]

55. Fine, you get an extra day stress leave... all other slaves, laugh once, then back to workin!

[2QT2BSTR8]

50. Like a fish out of water and gasping for air..

So too are the Republicans pulling out all the stops on any non issue that is facing our great country!

[The Brethren]

51. In one breath she says

she doesn't judge individuals, nor will tell them what to do. Then in the next breath, she's making it clear she plans to use her vote (and position of influence if she can) to tell us what we can't do..... which is not to be able to legally marry.

And she's so worried about standing up and protecting "traditional" marriage and the "instrument" of marriage, and somehow she apparently forgot her daughter got pregnant while not married.

Palin's stupid and a hypocrite. And look out McCain, we all know who really wears the pants in your political team.

[codjh9]

53. F--- her and everyone who gets in such a f-ing snit about gay marriage... and Colo.

Springs is such a PERFECT place for her to have spoken about it- I should know, I used to live there. As a bumper sticker I saw there said, "FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY'.

[WhiteTara]

54. I'm glad they quoted verbatim

this woman is dumber than a box of rocks. The publicans have sunk to the bottom of the barrel.