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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:33 PM
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Defense Dept. Seeks Bush*s Guard File
The Defense Department has requested that President Bush's payroll records from his service in the National Guard be sent to Washington from a DOD archive in Colorado, to ascertain whether they can be released to news organizations and public interest groups that have formally requested them in recent days, according to DOD officials.

Bush, in an interview shown Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," said he would release all his records, including pay stubs, to put to rest political suggestions that he may not have fulfilled his duty near the end of his Guard service, from May 1972 to May 1973. The president also suggested there might not be anything in the records that has not already been in the public domain.

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According to military experts familiar with National Guard records, there are two documents that could indicate whether Bush reported for drills during that year. One is an annual summary of his points, the quantitative measure of his service. The summary includes each date he reported for a drill and how many points he received toward his annual requirement.

His official personnel record, obtained by The Post in 2000, does not include a summary of service for the time in Alabama. There is a sheet, where the name has been torn off, that includes dates for that period, but there is no way to confirm it refers to Bush because his Social Security number has been redacted. Also, no one who served in Bush's Alabama unit at that time has come forward, despite years of publicity on the subject. The brigadier general Bush was to report to in Alabama has said he has no recollection of Bush's doing so.

The other documents that should still be available are Bush's payroll records, which would show what drills Bush was compensated for during that period. Officials said yesterday that the DOD in Washington would review the master copy of Bush's payroll records, which have been storied on microfiche for 30 years at the Defense Finance and Accounting Service in Denver.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26843-2004Feb9.html
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:35 PM
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1. Yeah baby!
Let's keep up the heat. Maybe some of those scrubs missed something. In any case just having them investigate this more than they did in the 2000 election is good. Maybe we can get him to testify under oath.

:evilgrin:

Sonia
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:43 PM
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4. I'll believe it when I see it
Are we forgetting who runs the DoD?
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:56 PM
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8. My thoughts exactly.
x
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:39 PM
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2. I wonder how many people
Bu$h has in place to "doctor" his records? That scumbag is such a dishonest lowdown scheming crook,it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:41 PM
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3. I have always been
rather disgusted at guys that act like they served in the armed forces (and I have known a few) when the actuality of the situation was quite different.

This should have been dealt with thoroughly in 2000 but the press allowed this cretin to not answer questions on his military record and his drug use.

Disgusting turds (*Co and the press) :puke:
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:47 AM
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11. I will tell you what is really disgusting are the people who claim to be
Navy SEALS and Green Berets and so forth. A couple of years ago I say an article on the Net about this and it referred to an organization called the cyberseals and thewy had access to the records of anyone who ever made it through SEAL training. My brother in law was in the UDT (precursor to the SEALS)in 1958 and had been wondering if he was eligible to wear the Navy SEAL Trident or not. I got ahold of these people on their website to see if they could help answere that question.

Well they wouldn't help me until they verified my brother in law so I gave them what I know. They wrote back and said that out of a hundred or more inquiries over the last couple of days, my brother in law was the only one verified as having completed BUDS training. Through them I was put in touch with the appropriate Naval department who advised that yes, he was eligible to wear the SEAL trident.

I find this a sad story in that so many lie about their exploits and military service.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:44 PM
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5. let's get that old SSN too, while we're at it
it's no surprise it's been blacked out, he has TOO MUCH TO HIDE!!!!!
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:47 PM
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6. Let's try figuring out why he was never promoted to Cpt.
I've read here and my husband said that being promoted to Captain is automatic and based on attendance unless you are a major f*&^-up. Why did he not get promoted? Why doesn't someone ask him that question?
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:49 PM
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7. Well, is it possible that he was promoted to Captain
and then demoted?
I don't know, but someone might...
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:32 AM
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14. Word is he was discharged as a 2nd Lt.

It's also been said that he was a 1st Lt. at one time. This means what? Was he demoted for not fullfilling obligations?
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JailForBush Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:00 AM
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9. What a Bunch of Cowards
"No one who served in Bush's Alabama unit at that time has come forward, despite years of publicity on the subject."

I wonder if they've been explicitly threatened, or if they're just typical Americans - gutless.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:11 AM
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12. Maybe they never saw him there
If you never show up, nobody knows you're a part of the unit.

The CO might -- but the ranks of the Officers has become so heavily politicized since 1981 that coming forward would be career suicide.

--bkl
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:17 AM
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10. When is someone going to ask for the SEC Harken Files?
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:12 AM
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13. One scandal at a time!
:)

--bkl
"The truth will out."
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:59 AM
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15. what is a 'political suggestion'?
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 02:00 AM by Insider
'political suggestion' is supposed to marginalize the claim? they're gonna sprain something with this twisting and squirming and spinning
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:17 AM
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16. Just saw on the news here in St Louis last night that bush*s military
records had been stored here in St Louis in an area called Overland until a few days ago. According to the news report, the records are now at the Pentagon. Sorry no link but the source was channel 4 St Louis. I believe the building in question is a sort of warehouse of government records mostly military.
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