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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:45 PM
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Terrorist attack on Ottawa averted, U.S. says | Globe and Mail
Terrorist attack on Ottawa averted, U.S. says
South American cell targeted Jewish sites


By ROD MICKLEBURGH
From Monday's Globe and Mail

Nearly two years before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States, intelligence authorities foiled a plot by terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden to strike ''Jewish targets'' in Ottawa, according to a U.S. Library of Congress report.

The report, compiled with the assistance of U.S. intelligence personnel, also says that Canada was one of several countries to which Hezbollah agents based in South America funnelled money to be used for international terrorism.

The references to Canada as an alleged centre of interest for Islamic terrorist organizations are contained in the 90-page dossier, which details the activities of organized crime, terrorist groups and drug traffickers in a murky, virtually lawless corner of South America known as the Tri-Border Area -- the region where Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay meet.

More at the Globe and Mail
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:12 PM
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1. More from those lovely folks at Hezbollah
There are those who deny that Hezbollah is a terrorist group.

There are those are wrong about it.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:16 PM
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2. And then there are those...
Who are willing to take what the administration says at face value.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:19 PM
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3. It doesn't take much to prove terrorists terrorize
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:28 PM
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5. I'm not questioning whether Hezbollah is a terrorist group
What I'm questioning is whether an attack was really averted.

I put about as much stock in this as I did when Tom Ridge asserted a terrorist attack on U.S. soil was averted in January.

For the record, at least as far as I'm concerned, the ADL is also a terrorist organization.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:23 PM
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4. The Globe had three scare stories today, front page
1 - Bush on Iraq
2 - Attack averted on Canada
3 - Moscow subway

I guess it will be all terrorism, all the time, from now until November. I pine for the days when all we had to worry about (according to our media) was that the communists were going to blow up the earth, on a daily basis.
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AffirmativeReaction Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:29 PM
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6. I know what we say
What does Canada say about it? I figure they would let us know, not our gov't. More crap for public consumption
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:32 PM
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7. This was in 1999
Why is it news now?

(I think I know the answer).

However, it is more proof that the Clinton administration was far more sucessful in stopping terrorism than the current occupant of the White House...
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:36 PM
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9. It's news now...
...because it's on the front page of today's Globe and Mail. As far as I know, it's the first time this has been announced by anyone, and any time, so it is newsworthy.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:48 PM
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10. I wasn't asking why it was posted here -- it should be
I was curious why it was being announced.

I just wonder why now after 2 years? :shrug:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:10 PM
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11. Kerry beats Bush in all recent polls
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 02:11 PM by DinoBoy
Gotta remind the people about TERRA. (Nevermind it was a Democratic administration that averted the strike on Ottawa...).

Ok, and I misunderstood what you were asking first time around :-)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:34 PM
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8. well looks like things were pretty
much under control during the CLINTON years. they seemed to stop alot of terror attacks- that`s the CLINTON intell team that are pretty much the same guys that are there now. hezbollah is bullshit, it was probaly the muslim brotherhood. the botherhood that is alleged to have funneled the money into europe for the 9-11 attack.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:36 PM
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12. " ... U.S. says..." that's enuf for me to doubt it's validity right there
.
.

sorry guys,

after Iraq and the consistent waffling of the US Admin,

their credibility with ANYTIHNG having to do with "intelligence" is zero in my books ..

'nuff said


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andy12 Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:47 PM
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13. Fill that makes no sense
Globe and reporter usually are close to being bang on...but this is complete fluff, why it made it past the editors is what begs a question.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:09 PM
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14. It happened on Clinton's watch, so I guess GHWB gets the credit
since the groundwork was surely laid during his Administration.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:14 PM
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15. Right about now...
...someone in the Bush Administration is doing the math and going "D'oh, that was under Clinton. Shit."
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:26 PM
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16. Sorry, for some reason I can't stop thinking about Canadian Bacon


Canadians - - they walk among us!
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:58 PM
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17. What a load of crap...
Oh Hezbollah again...redux
For those that need a primer on this nonsense...

False Washington Times report convinces Canada to ban Hizbullah

On Wednesday 11th December 2002, the social arm of the Lebanese resistance group Hizbullah was one of three organisations to be added to Canada's official list of "terrorist entities".

Hizbullah's military wing has been banned in Canada since 2001, but up until Wednesday, it was still legal to contribute to the social arm of the organisation...
(snipped)
and scrolling down to the superb journalism of Neil MacDonald
(incidentally Neil was removed from being CBC Middle East correspondent shortly after this...the job is now..Arienne Arsenualt (who actually did some good reporting when she was in Vancouver...but now...well she did an 'indepth report on the Israeli barrier and the ONLY victim she found was some rich Palestinian hotel owner's garden-but I digress)

However, an excellent Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) report by CBC journalist Neil Macdonald, has uncovered the surprising reality that the alleged remarks were not made by Hizbullah leader Nasrallah at all. Here is a transcript from the 11 December 2002 CBC broadcast:

PETER MANSBRIDGE: Well now to that crucial quote, the one that helped kick-start the change in Canadian policy and attributed to Hizbollah's Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah. The CBC's Middle East correspondent Neil MacDonald went to Beirut to investigate what was said and what was not. Here's his revealing report.

NEIL MACDONALD (Reporter): This unremarkable cleric enjoys legendary status in the Arab world. The man whose fighters drove Israel out of Lebanon. Israel and its supporters, though, regard Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah of Hezbollah as a cold-blooded terrorist and say his own words have now provided the proof. Certainly the quotes attributed to him last week and reported widely in most Canadian media were ominous. "Suicide bombings should be exported outside Palestine", he was reported to have said. "I encourage Palestinians to take suicide bombings worldwide, don't be shy about it." Canadian Jewish groups and their allies immediately pressed their demand that Canada classify Hezbollah as a terrorist group. Ottawa resisted doing that, given that Hezbollah also runs a social network with projects like this one which retrains and offers work to disabled Lebanese. Hassan Nasrallah's heavily reported new quotes merely had an impact. The only problem is there is simply no evidence Hassan Nasrallah ever made a speech promoting global suicide attacks. There is no record of such a speech here, and there would be. It was not broadcast on Hezbollah's television station, as was reported. Hezbollah, which vigorously publicizes Nasrallah's every word, says the remarks were never uttered and the Canadian embassy in Beirut has tried and failed to document the quotes. The story originated not in the Middle East but in London, with this man. Paul Martin freelances for "The Washington Times," a right wing newspaper owned by the Unification Church. He cannot back up the quotes his story attributes to Nasrallah. Nevertheless, he believes he understands Nasrallah's true agenda.

PAUL MARTIN (The Washington Times): Nasrallah said we look at America as the enemy of this nation. He then adds, we will fight the enemy or them anywhere and everywhere and says that we need to work on the culture of suicide missions.

MACDONALD: There is nothing new in Nasrallah's support for Palestinian tactics in the occupied territories and in Israel. Just recently, Nasrallah praised Palestinians he says are, quote, "willing to sacrifice themselves fighting Israel with whatever weapon", suicide bombs included. But, says Hezbollah legislator Mohammed Raad, Nasrallah has specifically instructed that Hezbollah's fight with Israel is military in nature and not to be taken outside the region. Raad says "The Washington Times" story about exporting attacks as part of a propaganda orchestrated by America's pro-Israel right wing. Indeed, there does seem to be a theme to "Washington Times" stories. Earlier this year, the paper ran a report by a reporter named Sayed Anwar accusing Palestinian Muslims of raping, executing and extorting Christians in Bethlehem. When the story was questioned, Sayed Anwar turned out to be a fictitious name. A composite for Paul Martin and two of his researchers. Martin refused to discuss that incident on camera. Ottawa now knows that the Nasrallah quotes in the "Washington Times" about exporting suicide attacks were almost certainly never uttered. Of course what this all really boils down to is the old question of what constitutes terrorism. Is Hezbollah a national liberation movement or, as Israel and its supporters maintain, a murderous global menace? To a great many people in this part of the world, to label Hezbollah a terrorist organization is to choose sides in the defining conflict of the Middle East, an intensely political decision for any government. Neil MacDonald, CBC News, Beirut.

A Toronto Star report on December 13th offered more detail of CBC reporter Neil Macdonald's findings. Macdonald, the article reported, who traveled to Lebanon to investigate:

"...could not make the facts fit with Martin's account of them. Not only did Nasrallah not make the speeches when and where Martin had reported, there was no evidence the Hezbollah leader had ever incited suicide bombers to go global.

"I watched the videos. I watched the speeches. I have done more research than maybe the Canadian government has done, certainly more than Paul Martin has done," Macdonald told me on the phone from Jordan last night. "He came up with three quotes, one of which, to be charitable, was a gross mistranslation, and the other two were never even uttered."

When CBC confronted Martin for Wednesday's edition of The National, he "got very upset and jumped up and said this interview is over." Eventually, he fingered Walid Phares, a Florida Atlantic University associate professor, as his source."

Source: Curious silence greets discredited Hezbollah tale, Antoinia Zerbisias, Toronto Star, 13 December 2002.

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article971.shtml


Anyone want the 'other side of the story' can google a whole ton of Canada infested with Hez terrorist stuff from stockwell day to townhall.com to the Washinton Institute to Frank Diament and the CJC...etc etc...


Also this whole Tri-Border thing was first 'floated' by the mostly discredit New Yorker Jeffery Goldberg article "In the Party of God"...must be a busy 'lawless' area because at various times the IRA, red brigades, Fidel and FARC have been linked there as well over the decades...good that a New Yorker writer got the skinny on it
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vanityfair Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 08:31 PM
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18. Oh! And I thought they meant...
that a terrorist attack was averted in May 2003 when Bush cancelled his trip to Canada.

We were all happy about that here, I'll tell you!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 08:39 PM
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19. No offense, but Ottawa?
Bogus??


Watch for a new terror plan that was foiled by our commander and chief to be revealed on a daily basis from now on.
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