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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:17 PM
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McCain Lawyers Push Back on Obama Keating Five Charges
Source: The Washington Post

The McCain campaign pushed back hard against the new Obama attack over the Keating Five, arguing that the Arizona senator was treated unfairly by the Senate ethics investigation and asserting that John McCain had been much more open about his relationship with disgraced thrift executive Charles Keating than Obama has been about his connection with one-time radical William Ayers.

In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, John Dowd, the Washington lawyer who represented McCain during the Senate investigation, called the inquiry a "classic political smear job" by the Democrats running the Senate at the time, saying that they only included McCain to make sure that a Republican was among the targets. "John had not done anything wrong," Dowd said. ...

Read more: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/mccain_lawyers_push_back_on_ob.html



Too late dumbass, the fire is lit.
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Gillian Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:21 PM
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1. Big blunder Johny, you are just giving it wheels.
The McCain campaign does everything right to lose an election.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:21 PM
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2. Oh, really? Well, boys, it's called "tit for tat". Get used to it.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:24 PM
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3. "McCain, who spoke through his attorney..."
You know, like O.J. does. :rofl:
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:29 PM
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4. Obama Biden torpedo the SWIFT BOAT

K&R!

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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:31 PM
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5. Poor Johnny - He can dish it out, but take it?
Poor guy just folds like a cheap suitcase.

Anybody up for a pity party?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:35 PM
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6. Why don't Republickers ever take personal responsibility? n/t
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:57 PM
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12. because they are republicans and believe
the markets will take care of it, and if that doesn't work - they can always be bailed out...

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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:50 PM
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7. They are trying to compare apples to oranges
Keating vs. Ayers-----a lot of nerve on their part!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:51 PM
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8. Since when has being a radical acitvist been a crime? Your country was
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 02:57 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
founded on radical activism, which kind of activity was subsequently praised by at least one of your Presidents, as a means of ousting unjust governments.

Us poor innocent Brits, plundered by your pirates and run out of your country by your boorish sharp-shooters, and you always cast us as the villains in your films!

Wait a minute... aren't those rascally insurgents of yours considered to have been "freedom-fighters these days?
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:43 PM
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19. Boston Tea Party was a "radical activist" action as well - seems like
they might still teach that one in schools like it was a good thing.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:52 PM
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9. You can't handle the truth!
Sorry, go ahead and bring it on with your lawyers. The truth is the truth. You can't change that.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:54 PM
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10. This wasn't a good move by the Obama campaign
First, there were four Democrats involved in the Keating scandal as well, so that particular piece of history is an "everybody does it" kind of story. Not the message Democratic candidates want out there.

Second, it gets Sen. Obama rolling around in the mud with McLame, he really needs to stay on high ground as much as possible. Yes, it's tough to stand there and take it when the other guy is flinging everything including the kitchen sink at you. But the central message of the Obama campaign is that hope springs from doing things a new way in politics. I'd even say that the biggest reason he won the nomination is because the voters didn't want to see the catfight that McCain and Hillary would have had.

If the Repukes and McLame can drag Obama and the Democrats down into the dirt, they win. This election is not about what happened with some old-news scandal, it's about how we get out of the mess we're in, militarily, financially, and politically.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:00 PM
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13. the difference is Obama discusses the issues - mccain just throws mud.
I think it's great - you want mud, have some mud, lots of it. Dems have been walking the "high ground" for too long, and have had the crap beaten out of them.

DIRT WORKS
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:22 PM
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15. In one way I agree with you except that this particular "old news scandal"
is very pertinent to what is going on today. It is in fact almost identical and McCain was indeed right in the middle of it. Democrats unlike Republicans are not concerned with whether it is a Democrat or Republican that broke laws but anyone that acts illegally will be held accountable. Republicans always justify the actions if it is done by a Republican while condemning in no uncertain terms if done by a Democrat. Another aspect is leadership. Republicans have been in almost total control for most of the period since the S&L debacle and yet allowed the very same thing to repeat.. McCain was part of that Republican Majority..
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:17 PM
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23. where are those 4 dems today?
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MsRedacted Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 05:57 PM
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25. I would normally agree, but Keating 5 has significance to today's fin issues. NT
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:55 PM
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11. A classic political smear job?
Uhm, when the facts are there, it's not really a "smear," Mr. Dowd; you're probably thinking more along the lines of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, fronted by one man who served briefly with John Kerry and bankrolled by a bunch of chickenhawks and jock-sniffers who'd wet themselves if they ever heard a live round fired in anger.

But maybe you could sue the Obama campaign. May I suggest you style your cause of action "definition of character"?
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:13 PM
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14. He's gonna blow
watch those veins in head and neck! Throw in the POW stuff and it'll be the end of him. Does anyone see Obama pulling the ad and apologizing?




Fuck you McCain
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Ramius Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:24 PM
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16. Open? Who cares? Treated Unfairly? He got off like OJ. All Knew Mac was Guilty.
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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:29 PM
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17. One problem history tells us that America almost never votes
on issues. They seem to vote on appearance. I hope to goodness this election proves this wrong!
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:34 PM
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18. HOW DARE they always use the term "fair" in these situations!
That is what immediately jumped off the page at me. FAIR? excuuuuse me
but you only use that word when you have brought the wrath of your own ignorance and abusive tactics down on your own head.
It's lies when Obama says it, and not fair when it is picked up by the media...

I see...

well, you will be gone soon enough old man
I am ready for Obama to landslide this thang!
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:56 PM
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20. that's what they all say
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:58 PM
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21. Keating 5 was not isolated. He did the same thing for Paxson in 1999, got rebuked by the FCC.
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 04:00 PM by McCamy Taylor
Did it again in 2003 for Cablevision. Each time for money. See my most recent journal for how he keeps finding new ways to take hundreds of thousands of dollars from corporate clients in exchange for interceding for them with federal agencies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4176531

The man has not changed at all. He is a risk taker, a gambler, he will do anything for cold, hard cash. He think Americans are suckers and the federal budget is his personal casino to plunder.
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Gillian Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:48 PM
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24. Yippee, more mud. Did´t McCain fall apart when Bush and Rove nailed him.
After he lost the primary, he started following Dimson around like a lost puppy. Before that he was very aggressive. I´ve always thought those Rovian attacks changed him.
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Maine-i-acs Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:03 PM
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22. Hey, we're supposed to be talking about Ayers here!
Said John McCain through his attorneys.

Then the attorneys excused themselves to chase some kids off of John's lawn.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:03 PM
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26. William Ayers was aquited in 79 of all charges...
and now is a professor in Chicago. Were as Keating was found guilty and all associated are also guilty; you can not convince me that McFucked did not know what was happening.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:37 PM
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27. Lawyerin' up eh' Johhny Boy??
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 06:37 PM by tabasco
I thought you puke-licans didn't like lawyers.

I heard a bunch of pukes say that you don't need a lawyer if you're telling the trurh.

What's up with that, Johnny Boy??
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:44 PM
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28. But lawyers never lie and misrepresent facts for their clients.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 12:05 AM
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29. and would they like some cheese with that whine?
Given the way you have maligned our candidates since the days of Lee Atwater, I think we are treating you kindly.

Not only have you not cared about "fair" you have not cared about "true" either. If you could not find a real scandal salacious enough, you would just make one up out of thin air. You did not care whose good reputation you destroyed. You did not care how you corrupted the democratic process.

Now go curl up and die. The world will be a better place without you
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OakCliffDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 05:16 AM
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30. Kick
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