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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:56 AM
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Link to MTP transcript.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/

I didnt see it up yet, if it's a dupe, please lock.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:56 AM
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1. thanks :)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:10 AM
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2. those of us who are unable to watch the shrub* due to violent wretching
when we wee/hear him... thank you.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:29 AM
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3. well get your barf bag out
because even reading his words make me want to hurl.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:37 AM
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5. Yeah, I skimmed through it while saving
Think I will be getting this our for folks to look at. Would look good next to the "Someone else for President" bumper sticker my wayward daughter gave me.

Anybody got some antacids? Between the transcript of interview with the leader of the free world and the story about that pilot wanting Christians on the flight to talk religion with the non-christians, I am not feeling spunky this morning. Too many zealots in high places.....
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shooga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:46 AM
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6. his eyes are watering up .. is he crying already?
why is G.W. doing the tearing-thing, the crying thing right off the bat with the first question; he started to well-up when he spoke of shadowy people with shadowy connections (was he referring to his father?? skull and bones ?? carlyle group???)
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:35 AM
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4. Thanks, Dave. eom
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:49 AM
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7. Russert's questions aren't bad
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 11:00 AM by rocknation
Too bad he wasn't willing to have Georgie answer them spontaneously.

On Friday, you announced a committee, commission to look
into intelligence failures regarding the Iraq war and our entire
intelligence community.  You have been reluctant to do that for some
time.  Why?

(Tony Blair’s commission) is going to report back in July.  Ours is not going to
be until March of 2005, five months after the presidential election.
Shouldn't the American people have the benefit of the commission
before the election?

President Bush: Well, the reason why we gave it time is because we
didn't want it to be hurried.  This is a strategic look, kind of a
big picture look about the intelligence gathering capacities of the
United States of America, whether it be the capacity to gather
intelligence in North Korea or how we've used our intelligence to,
for example, learn more information about AQ Kahn.  And it's
important that this investigation take its time.

Will you testify before the commission?

(CIA director Tenet’s) job is not in jeopardy?

There is another commission right now looking into
September 11th. Will you testify before that commission?

President Bush: We have given extraordinary cooperation with
Chairmen Kean and Hamilton.  As you know, we made an agreement on
what's called "Presidential Daily Briefs," and they could see the
information the CIA provided me that is unique, by the way, to have
provided what's called the PDB, because  ...Would you submit for
questioning, though, to the 9/11 Commission?

President Bush: Perhaps, perhaps.

Senator Charles Grassley, a Republican  said he is
absolutely convinced we will capture Osama bin Laden before the
election. Do you have a pretty good idea where Osama is?

Let me turn to Iraq.  And this is the whole idea of what you based your decision to go to war on.

The night you took the country to war, March 17th, you said
this:  "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves
no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some
of the most lethal weapons ever devised." That apparently is not the
case. How do you respond to critics who say that you brought the
nation to war under false pretenses?

Mr. President, the Director of the CIA said that his
briefings had qualifiers and caveats, but when you spoke to the
country, you said "there is no doubt."  When Vice President Cheney
spoke to the country, he said "there is no doubt."  Secretary
Powell, "no doubt."  Secretary Rumsfeld, "no doubt, we know where
the weapons are."  You said, quote, "The Iraqi regime is a threat of
unique urgency.” “Saddam Hussein is a threat that we must deal with
as quickly as possible."

You gave the clear sense that this was an immediate threat that must
be dealt with. In what way?

...can you launch a preemptive war without iron clad, absolute intelligence that he had weapons of mass destruction?

This is an important point because when you say that he has biological and chemical weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles  and they could come and attack the United States, you are saying to the American people: we have to deal now with a man who has these things...if that's not the case, do you believe if you had gone to the Congress and said he should be removed because he's a threat to his people but I'm not sure he has weapons of mass destruction, Congress would authorize war?

There is a sense in the country that the intelligence that was given was ambiguous, and that you took it and molded it and shaped it  your opponents have said "hyped" it  and rushed to war. And now, in the world, if you, in the future, say we must go into North Korea or we must go into Iran because they have nuclear capability, either this country or the world will say, ‘Excuse you, Mr. President, we want it now in hard, cold facts.’

But there are lots of madmen in the world,  Fidel Castro--in Iran, in North Korea, in Burma, and yet we don't go in and take down those governments.

On Iraq, the vice president said, “we would be greeted as liberators.”

It's now nearly a year, and we are in a very difficult situation.  Did we miscalculate how we would be treated and received in Iraq?

Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?

If the Iraqis choose, however, an Islamic extremist regime, would you accept that, and would that be better for the United States than Saddam Hussein?


You do seem to have changed your mind from the 2000 campaign.  In a debate, you said, "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called 'nation-building.'"

Are you now willing to allow the United Nations to play a central role in the reconstruction?

In transferring power, the U.N. will play a central role?

Before we take a break, now that we have determined there
are probably not these stockpiles of weapons that we had thought,
and the primary rationale for the war had been to disarm Saddam
Hussein, Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Defense Secretary, said that you
had settled on weapons of mass destruction as an issue we could
agree on, but there were three.  “One was the weapons of mass
destruction, the second is the support for terrorism, and third is
Saddam's criminal treatment of his Iraqi people.” He said the “third one by itself is a reason to help Iraqis but it's not a reason to put American kids' lives at risk, certainly not on the scale we did.” Now looking back, in your mind, is it worth the loss of 530 American lives and 3,000 injuries and woundings simply to remove Saddam Hussein, even though there were no weapons of mass
destruction?

In light of not finding the weapons of mass destruction, do you believe the war in Iraq is a war of choice or a war of necessity?

Mr. President, this campaign is fully engaged.  The chairman of the
Democratic National Committee, Terence McAuliffe, said this last
week:  "I look forward to that debate when John Kerry, a war hero
with a chest full of medals, is standing next to George Bush, a man
who was AWOL in the Alabama National Guard.  He didn't show up when
he should have showed up."

The Boston Globe and the Associated Press have gone through
some of their records and said there’s no evidence that you reported
to duty in Alabama during the summer and fall of 1972.

You did  were allowed to leave eight months before your
term expired.  Was there a reason?

When allegations were made about John McCain or Wesley
Clark on their military records, they opened up their entire files. 
Would you agree to do that?

But would you allow pay stubs, tax records, anything to
show that you were serving during that period?

Would you authorize the release of everything to settle
this?

Were you favor of the war in Vietnam?

But you didn't volunteer or enlist to go.

Let me turn to the economy...The Bush Cheney first three years, the unemployment rate has gone up 33 percent, there has been a loss of 2.2 million jobs. We've gone from a $281 billion surplus to a $521 billion deficit. 
The debt has gone from 5.7 trillion, to $7 trillion up 2 percent. Based on that record, why should the American people rehire you as CEO?

...when you proposed your first tax cut in 2001, you said
this was going to generate 800,000 new jobs.  Your tax cut of 2003,
create a million new jobs.  That has not happened. Auditors have
done a study of our finances. And this is what your legacy will be to the next
generation.  It says that our “current fiscal policy is
unsustainable.”  They did a computer simulation that shows that
balancing the budget in 2040 could require either cutting total
Federal spending in half or doubling Federal taxes.

How why, as a fiscal conservative as you like to call yourself, would you allow a $500 billion deficit and this kind of deficit disaster? (Even) your base conservatives  and listen to Rush Limbaugh, the Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute, they're all saying you are the biggest spender in American history.


Tom Daschle, the Democratic Leader in the Senate, said that
you've changed the tone for the worse; that it's more acrimonious,
more confrontations, that you are the most partisan political
president he's ever worked with. Our exit polls of primary voters,
not just Democrats but Independents in South Carolina and New Hampshire, more than 70 percent of them said they are angry or dissatisfied with you, and they point to this whole idea of being a uniter as opposed to a
divider. Why do you think you are perceived as such a divider?

Two polls out this weekend show you're trailing John Kerry in both U.S.A. Today and Newsweek polls by seven and five points...This is what John Kerry had to say last year.  He said that his colleagues are appalled at the quote "President's lack of knowledge.  They've managed him the same way they've managed Ronald Reagan.  They send him out to the press for one event a day.  They put him in a brown jacket and jeans and get him to move some hay or move a truck, and all of a sudden he's the Marlboro Man.  I know
this guy.  He was two years behind me at Yale.  I knew him, and he's
still the same guy.” Did you know him at Yale? How do you respond to that?

You were both in Skull and Bones, the secret society. What does that mean for America?  The conspiracy theorists are going to go wild.

Are you prepared to lose? If you did, what would you do?

Biggest issues in the upcoming campaign?
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Adamocrat Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:55 AM
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8. Man, I wish I could get a BJ that lasted that long.
Russert must be a total pro. I wonder who taught him?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:12 AM
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9. DANGER!DANGER! he said that word 18 times+some other bits
But David Kay did report to the American people that Saddam had the capacity to make weapons. Saddam Hussein was dangerous with weapons. Saddam Hussein was dangerous with the ability to make weapons. He was a dangerous man in the dangerous part of the world.
And I made the decision, obviously, to take our case to the international community in the hopes that we could do this achieve a disarmament of Saddam Hussein peacefully.

See, free societies are societies that don't develop weapons of mass terror and don't blackmail the world.

Saddam Hussein was dangerous, and I’m not gonna leave him in power and trust a madman. He's a dangerous man. He had the ability to make weapons at the very minimum.

But again, I repeat to you, I don't want to sound like a broken record, but David Kay, who is the man who led the Iraqi survey group, who has now returned with an interim report, clearly said that the place was a dangerous place. When asked if President Bush had done had made the right decision, he said yes. In other words, the evidence we have uncovered thus far says we had no choice.

Russert: The Boston Globe and the Associated Press have gone through some of their records and said there’s no evidence that you reported to duty in Alabama during the summer and fall of 1972.

President Bush: Yeah, they re they're just wrong. There may be no evidence, but I did report; otherwise, I wouldn't have been honorably discharged. In other words, you don't just say "I did something" without there being verification. Military doesn't work that way. I got an honorable discharge, and I did show up in Alabama.

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:26 PM
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10. Will Iraq be a fundamentalist state?
Bush is certain it won't be because he talked Chilabi and Pachachi and al Hakim in his office and they all told him they didn't want a fundamentalist state. Bush isn't a hard guy to convince, Is he?
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Star Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:06 PM
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11. Did anybody catch this?
Russert: You were both in Skull and Bones, the secret society.

President Bush: It's so secret we can't talk about it.

Russert: What does that mean for America? The conspiracy theorists are going to go wild.

President Bush: I'm sure they are. I don’t know. I haven't seen the (unintel) yet. (Laughs)

Russert: Number 322.

President Bush: First of all, he's not the nominee, and I look forward


What does this mean? The connection to Skull and Bones between * and Kerry is what scares me about Kerry.
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:46 PM
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12. Whats number 322?
I was confused by that. Thanks for any help.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:32 PM
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14. 322 *George, the Eloquent?!
THE story of Skull and Bones begins in December of 1832. Upset (according to one account) by changes in the Phi Beta Kappa election process, a Yale senior named William Russell and a group of classmates decided to form the Eulogian Club as an American chapter of a German student organization. The club paid obeisance to Eulogia, the goddess of eloquence, who took her place in the pantheon upon the death of the orator Demosthenes, in 322 B.C., and who is said to have returned in a kind of Second Coming on the occasion of the society's inception. The Yale society fastened a picture of its symbol -- a skull and crossbones -- to the door of the chapel where it met. Today the number 322, recalling the date of Demosthenes' death, appears on society stationery. The number has such mystical overtones that in 1967 a graduate student with no ties to Skull and Bones donated $322,000 to the society.

(The number 322 has also been a particular favorite of conspiracy-minded hunters for evidence of Skull and Bones's global connections. It was the combination to Averell Harriman's briefcase when he carried classified dispatches between London and Moscow during World War II. Antony C. Sutton claims that 322 doubles as a reminder of the society's mother organization in Germany; the American group, founded in 1832, is the second chapter -- thus 32-2.)
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/05/robbins.htm

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The men called their organization the Brotherhood of Death, or, more informally, the Order of Skull and Bones. They adopted the numerological symbol 322 because their group was the second chapter of the German organization and founded in 1832. They worshiped the goddess Eulogia, celebrated pirates, and plotted an underground conspiracy to dominate the world.
http://www.jerrypippin.com/skullbones.htm

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William H. Russell received permission to set up Chapter 322 on the Yale campus from the German secret society, while he was studying for a year in Germany. Chapter 322 is the only branch of the Skull and Bones that we know about in the USA.

William H. Russell and Alphonso Taft, the father of president Taft, formed the Skull and Bones in 1832-33 on the Yale University campus. There was a total of fifteen class members that formed the “The Order of the Scull and Bones,” later changed to “The Order of the Skull and Bones.” It is also known as the “Order” and the “Brotherhood of Death.” More formally for legal purposes, The Order was incorporated as The Russell Trust in 1856.
http://www.plim.org/SkullBones.htm
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 04:20 PM
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15. Meet the dodger
Russert: You were both in Skull and Bones, the secret society.

President Bush: It's so secret we can't talk about it.

Russert: What does that mean for America? The conspiracy theorists are going to go wild.

President Bush: I'm sure they are. I don’t know. I haven't seen the web page yet. (Laughs)


What web page is he talking about? Does anyone think he actually surfs the web, looking himself up?
I'd like to know what Russet meant by 322 also.
His answer about Skull and Bones was chilling. He just said it so ominously "It's so secret we can't talk about it."
What a total dodge on being AWOL. He knows the missing records are never going to be found and that's that.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:19 PM
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13. Meet the Prez!


Click here for American Politics Journal's review of Beat the Press...
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