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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 07:03 AM
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Russia: Duma may call state of emergency - CANCEL elections!
The Duma is trying to use the recent bombings as an excuse to cancel elections!

http://www.russiajournal.com/news/cnewswire.shtml?nw=42415#n42417
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 07:08 AM
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1. I hope we are not a copy-cat.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 07:14 AM
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2. consider this a blueprint...
.....and be very afraid.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 07:29 AM
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3. testing 1 2 3.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:20 PM
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13. Although I haven't a clue as to what Putin is up to...
...that's what immediately came to mind, a test case.

His actions don't always seem crystal clear to me. Does he recognize the failure of selling the country off to thugs and now want to roll things back to the USSR? Is he far Right? Is he a Maniacal Middle? Is there a plan or is he just your run of the middle wanna-be petty dictator?

He's got me puzzled.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 07:29 AM
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4. hope this isn't Act 1 of a 2 Act Play
scary stuff
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:16 AM
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5. And it wasn't even anything like 911.....
:scared:

I've been thinking, feeling, saying this would happen here in 2004 and almost everyone has poo-pooed it, but now this makes it even more likely depending on the outcome there and how the people react. Like you all are saying, "Testing, testing...1 2 3...testing".
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:36 AM
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6. I never expected anything else.
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 08:36 AM by Nicholas_J
I had the opposrtunity to speak to someone who was involved with all of this eastern european stuff since the time of Stalin when I visited part of the Ex-Yugoslavia, and hs said flat out that all that happened when the Berlin wall was a call to return to the post world war I dictatorships of central europe. There was absolutely no way that any of the eastern european states were going to become democracies, and not one actually has. They are all weak democracies controlled by either criminal groups, Or beginning to have to become dictatorships in order to control those groups.

Lets hope they are more benevolent dictatorships than not.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:53 AM
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10. Democracy survive?
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 11:05 AM by mac2
Comment: "he said flat out that all that happened when the Berlin wall was a call to return to the post world war I dictatorships of central europe"

I'm not a great writer but will attempt to address this issue.

It's not just European but a world wide power grab by a select group of Neo Cons.

The Neo Con leaders of the world are using "terrorism" to take away democracy from the people (for their own profit and power). It is not just GW Bush,Tony Blair, and Sharon..etc. It is a world grab for power to install the World Union. The leaders will not be democratically elected...but CEOs, bankers, and wealthy families that determine "policy" and make decisions.

There are grabs for power by these folks as well as many religious groups, who when you think about it are nothing more than "organizations" with lots of money because of their attachment to God.

We made them very powerful and greedy with our tax exempt status to help the poor(tax exemption is not in the Constitution). Not only are they not using this for the needy but...they want our tax dollars and power over our government policy also. What happened to that tax exempt money? The following is what happened: Larger churches, temples, universities, newspapers, TV stations, real estate, leaders with great power and wealth controlling elected officals and foreign policy, etc. It is insidious.

This is not God's work of the soul but of worldly power and wealth. It is tyranny like we saw in the Medieval Ages (leaders with religious and government power). The World Union Plan is where we are to be the slaves..under a feudalistic system.

GW Bush let the "tyranny cat out of the bag". GW Bush, Inc. as leader of the "free world" actually destroyed it. 2000 was a coup.

As a leading nation, we promoted democracy...but over the last twenty years (with RWers in power) didn't really want it. They set out to destroy it using religion and propaganda. This World Union system, the Neo Cons see as more profitable and controllable. As X-President Bush stated, he wanted World Order and rule of trade/government of 6 world unions (the EU and Americas now being set up...the others in process).

Of-course, the Bush Cabal would control most of it. He'd like it in place before he dies. If this isn't treason what is? Open destruction of democracy and our way of life..borders, etc. He stated this on CSPAN a the 10th Anniversary celebration of NAFTA.

The Neo Con President puppet, GW Bush, let the "tyranny cat out of the bag". GW Bush, Inc. as leader of the "free world" actually destroyed our democratic system. 2000 was a coup. Elections are being stolen by the media and corrupted leaders.

It is not going to work. You can't oppress the masses and expect them to sit by to die and live in poverty while the few live better than ancient kings on the labor and treasury of others. This is not a new concept...globalization and Nation Building. Many leaders tried and failed...Romans, the British Empire, Napoleon, Alexander the Great, etc.

We are a young democracy and we should know that there are always those elite (the wealthy and the religious leaders) who would take it from us. One member of our group stated that the Constitution was an "old, outdated document". Fact is, it is NOT a new scheme for human rights. The British with their Magna Carter..us with our Constitution and Bill of Rights. People have been struggling for freedom for many centuries.

I heard a Hispanic author talking on CSPAN about democracy failing them. We can not blame our democracy or Constitution, and those around the world that claim to be democratic, on democracy being a bad system of government. It is failing them and us because of corruption and lawlessness...just plan arrogant greed and aggression(same thing that destroys all great societies).

I don't think any system of government (Monarchy, Socialism, Communism, Democracy, etc.)is bad or a failure for society but the corrupt leaders that take away freedoms, etc. from the people keeping it all for themselves. As we now see...you can have tyranny in a so called Democracy system of government.

We must remove corporate, religious, and financial power from government. We had removed corrupted religious leader influence with the Separation Clause in the Constitution only to have Bush ignore it. Corporate power was restrained by state laws that are now ignored also. Our Constitution, Bill of Rights, all previous laws and regulations, etc. trashed...politicans abandoning us for greed and power.

We must turn not to religious leaders (many who have shown their own greed) but to the concept of human rights and ethics. The concept of human rights and ethics goes back before any present day religious group. It a concept that religious books and movements have preached it is not? So I ask these religious leaders and their flock, why have you gone astray from your beliefs and God? Peace and love?

Human rights and ethics are the only path to peace and survival for our race. After WWII we said, it would be the last war because the next one might destroy us with our horrible weapons. We were minutes away from nuclear war in the past.

Shouldn't we have approached the 21st Century with this goal instead of one of "unending war" and "global domination"? We are on the wrong path. I hope, we can get ourselves away from the TV long enough to do that!! There are more of us than them.

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:26 AM
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7. Pooty-Poot shows Chimpy "the WAY"...
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 09:29 AM by BiggJawn
It's coming, folks....How many have said that Bush can't win the Election "IF it's a FAIR Election..."???

They'll pull Osama out of their asses on Hallowe'en. If that doesn't look like it will shove the Dim Son's numbers through the ionosphere, then there will be some kind of "event", perhaps the morning of or the day before the elections. Then Dim Son comes on the air as he flits from rabbit-hole to rabbit-hole and says

"Mah fella Murkans, we have bin attacked agin. As such Ah cannot allow y'all t'put yersells at risk by goin' t'th' polls. Therefore, Ah dee-clair thet a State of Mergency exists in our land, an' as soon as Volksturm director Tommy Timbertoes comes up with a new culler, we'll be at thet culler....Anyhoo, Ah'm suspending th' 'Lections fer th' duration of the Mergency fer National Security. Stay home. Don' put yersells at risk of Al-Kaydee attack by tryin' t' vote me outta orfice, because Ah ain't leavin... Thankee an' Gawd Bless Murka....Oh, by th' way, Ah'm gonna need all yer boys an' girls to attack th' bastards (to be determined by unka Dick) who did this....An' Ah almost ferget, go SHOPPING!!!"

But at the same time the pretzeldent is speaking, FAUX will be showing re-runs of the fabled NippleShield, so most of the Sheeple won't know what happened....
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:54 AM
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11. Dubya looked into his eyes,...they were instant soul mates *frown*
,...house o' cards number 1 falling down,...our house is barely standing.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:32 AM
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8. This is what I'm worried about....
I have a bad feeling that something similar will happen here in
the States.
I have read that Putin was a "shoe in" for the next elections yet
they're contemplating the cancellation of the elections because of
"national security". Why?

Its going to happen here in the States...better get ready for it.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:49 AM
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9. yabloko duma opposition financed by Exxon/Khodorkovsky
The head of the opposition Russian political party that Khodorkovsky supports said financial support from the
40-year tycoon had ceased since his arrest.

"It stopped,'' said Grigory Yavlinsky, head of the liberal
Yabloko party at a news conference.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/11/05/yukos.challenge.reut/

What has caused these three Russian tycoons to be
singled out are their activities in support of opposition
political parties and free media.’
— SEN. JOHN MCCAIN

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3403762/





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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:13 PM
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12. Just Like the Moscow Apartment Bombings a few months before 9/11
:scared::scared:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:31 PM
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14. How ironic that the Russian Communist Party are now the democrats
in Russia against the increasingly totalitarian, and utterly corrupt, Putin.
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