Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Mexico seeks to legalize smalltime pot, cocaine use

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:25 PM
Original message
Mexico seeks to legalize smalltime pot, cocaine use
Source: Reuters

Mexican President Felipe Calderon, locked in a high-stakes battle with drug cartels, wants to legalize the possession of small amounts of cocaine and marijuana, a plan that will likely irk Washington.

Calderon, a conservative in power for nearly two years, sent a proposal to Congress that would also scrap penalties on carrying small amounts of heroin, methamphetamine and opium for personal use.

Reviving a similar push by his predecessor, Calderon's bill aims to free up police to hunt for narcotics dealers and smugglers, but it could meet opposition in largely conservative Mexico as well as in the neighboring United States.

(snip)
Former president Vicente Fox tried to pass a similar bill in 2006 but ditched it after Washington objected and critics both sides of the border said laxer laws could lure "drug tourists" from north of the border.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02297503.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
1. I think we should have their policy
No sense to locking up small time drug abusers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Cocaine?
While I support the pot legalization, cocaine is really bad stuff. Why not just legalize small time meth use.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Agree, only pot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. You can keep it illegal
Gangs, international criminal organizations will continue to profit off of it. Cocaine does lead to bizzare behavior, I've experienced this first hand in my city. Sending them to jail sends the wrong message. If the have smaller then an eighth they are not planning to sell and locking them up just adds legal fees, court dates, etc Most drug abusers don't roll over or "snith" on their dealers. The ones profiting off their addiction, many are poor and aren't motivated for whatever reason to look into honest jobs see that can profit much more of the trade. There are however "good" dealers, one who doesn't short a customer, friendly, don't sell to someone in hardships and encourages them to quit. Point is I have no problem with enforcing the law profiting off of people's addiction, but many addicts don't commit other crimes and should be encouraged to quit all substances including cutting back on caffeine or anything else unhealthy, forcing them to rehab doesn't work, only the individual has to be motivated enough, but sometimes that isn't even enough. Most people addicted don't recover and relapse MANY times after court ordered rehab. Some people in the same facility 6 or 7 times.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Cocaine
just like other pills and powders, does indeed lead to bizarre behaviour, because they are egoboosters and egotism is plain bizarre. Not to be recommended to anyone, but of course, neither to be kept illegal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #8
47. I agree with LEAP
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, a group of retired law enforcement officers who stand opposed to the War on Drugs, on imprisoning non-violent drug offenders, who understand that we invite criminals into the system by continuing our current prohibition.
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Small time dealers are usually addicts who need treatment, not incarceration.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. Hey
so is prozac etc. legal stuff really bad stuff. And especially meth. Every responsible one knows that pills and powders are bad for you - all the egoboosters -, nature stuff is good for you and All.

So, what would be really important and what I would like to humbly propose, is obligatory daily puffing of ganja for every citizen for a certain period - especially instead military service - together with some nice shroom experiences.

That certainly would not make this world a worse place.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Yes....
but I have never seen a girl sell her body for prozac. Unlike cocaine. Something I witnessed first hand from an "acquaintance" who dealt some interesting substances.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Uh, your comment is an argument FOR legalization.
NT!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. Yes
some of the legal stuff that the docs push is really really bad, with withdrawal symptoms that actually really really really kill.

That said, if a girl would give me pot for my body... whaddayathunk? It's easy to condemn female whores when you know you're even worse wannabe male whore... :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. With the laws currently enact
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 05:13 PM by JonLP24
The guy would get arrested for cocaine dealing and picking up a prostitute. She would be arrested for prostitution(does prostitution count being paid with something other then money?) cocaine possession. Perhaps they learn their lesson but with all crime stats, many are repeat offenders.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Not refuting you...
I don't condone the current punishment. I just oppose legalization of cocaine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #2
21. Cocaine was legal in the USA for more than a hundred years
Some of the wealthiest people in America used it on a daily basis and had no ill effects..Only when it became illegal and associated with the criminal elements and cut with the worst stuff did it ever become a major problem..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #2
23. Speaking as someone who worked in the music business...
And while I didn't use it, I just smelled several kilos of it, deeply, I gotta say that cocaine is definately one of the most bullshit drugs in existence. Not only is it more expensive than there is any justification for, it just makes you poor, stupid and nervous.

I have never, ever seen anything good come from cocaine use. Except maybe people getting cleaned up. But it leaves scars. Oh yes it does. Cocaine acts directly on the dopamine system in the brain, and I am convinced it leaves subtle changes in that system that affect the users even after they clean up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
29. But in Mexico the law isn't applied evenly
Small time users get stuck in horrible prisons while drug lords run roughshod over the population.

In 2003 maybe we should have invaded Mexico instead of Iraq to bring those people real democracy. They might have actually appreciated it and greeted us as liberators.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. In the US, the law isn't applied equally.
Blacks make up about 13% of the population, 13% of the drug users, but 55% of imprisoned drug offenders. Go figger.

Smart move by Mexico; we should do the same.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #2
45. Why Cocaine?
Because if you pay attention to the war going on in Mexico and how many people are getting murdered over the black market of marijuana and cocaine then you'd see why legalizing a dangerous and addicting drug like cocaine is better than what's occurring under its prohibition.

While of course I agree that marijuana should be legal because of how safe an intoxicant it is. However, Mexico's proposed legalization has nothing to do with that and everything to with stopping the bloodshed in the streets.







Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #2
50. It looks like they're trying to do that
Also heroin. And...probably small amounts of uppers, downers, all-arounders...

It just looks like he wants to quit busting users for using, and go after dealers. I'm kinda hesitant about the "hard drug" part, but overall this is a positive thing.

The only problem here is, where are you supposed to get the shit? Pot's no problem, you can grow that. Meth? You can make your own, although your house generally turns into a hazardous waste site when you do. Heroin and cocaine are different stories.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
38. No sense?
Small-time drug users, en masse, make big-time drug lords rich. If individual dopers didn't create the drug market, there would BE no illegal drug market. They also give a bad name to patients who NEED medical marijuana.

There is nothing--absolutely nothing--to be gained from smoking pot, unless you need it for medical reasons. Anything beyond that is drug abuse, a selfish way of life that increases crime and results in death after death as drug pushers big and small battle over drug money.

And let's be honest, the ONLY reason Mexico is leaning toward any legalization at all is because their government is starting to succumb to the influence of drug lords.

In other words, the criminals are running the asylum.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #38
44. Ooh, grandpa is grumpy again.
If drugs weren't illegal, there would BE no illegal drug market. It is prohibition that creates drug lords, not consumers.

You say there is nothing to be gained from smoking pot. About 20 million Americans disagree with you.

Smoking pot DOES NOT increase crime and result in death after death. That's just silly.

And you're even more full of shit about why Mexico is doing this. Calderon doesn't want his cops fooling around with small-time users so he can turn them loose against the drug traffickers. It is a sensible and humane approach to drug use, similar to what is policy across Europe and in Latin American countries like Argentina and Brazil.

I suspect you don't like pot because you think it all comes from Mexico, and we know what you think about those brown people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:28 PM
Response to Original message
3. I wish they could get it done by Thanksgiving.
We're going to Cabo for Thansgiving.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. ...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

For you:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:39 PM
Response to Original message
6. GOOD... hope State does not put the same pressure they did
two years ago


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:40 PM
Response to Original message
7. Heh
"Losing support on the war on drugs!"

They overextended themselves in this grand crusade, and thus they will have to tolerate the small timers in order to re-establish order.

The story of society- a small amount of illegality must be tolerated for the system to function.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
11. Personal use. Adults only. Sounds fine to me. One more detail... you should have to register as a
drug user and get a special license plate that allows cops to pull you over randomly. Seriously, we don't need coke-addled nutjobs screaming through the streets.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. And drinkers, too?
Do they get a special license?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. That would be the only way I'd be down with that
I agree no one on any substance including drowsy prescribtion drugs should operate a vehicle. But alcohol causes more accidents then Marijuana, Cocaine, etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. Here in Minnesota you get "Whiskey" plates (start with W) if you've had too many DUIs.
I think there'd have to be some special case, like if you got a couple of DUIs you'd get one of those plates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #11
25. We already HAVE coke-addled nutjobs
screaming through the streets, in case you didn't know. Making cocaine illegal doesn't prevent that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. That is exactly right
Plus the ones that profit off their addiction is criminals and other small time dealers. In a larger sense the Drug Trafficking Organizations are the ones largely going unprosecuted trafficing all the majiruana, meth, herion, and cocaine into the US. There is all of the above in Los Angeles/vicinity, San Diego/vicinity, San Francisco, Tucson, Phoenix, Flagstaff(mostly meth and marijuana then anything else), Albuqurque, El Paso, as well as other Texas cities including Denver. All of the above between Tacoma/Lakewood north thru Seattle as well as Pierce county as a whole. I've been to Gray's Harbor and it is the most crime infested area I ever been. Aberdeen has a section east of dowtown called felony flats. Herion recreation is a summer time tradition on the banks of the river, summer gathering spot. Not to mention it is the hometown of Nirvana bandmates as well as Kurt Cobain it has the sign as you enter the city "come as you are".

It has interesting history, it had the earliest highest crime rates such as murder, there was one known to kill close to 40 people. There was gambling, a hot spot during prohibition, prostitution. Many of the original houses are still there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:00 PM
Response to Original message
13. It is just a formality. Drug laws here are pretty fair in most states.
If this brings in more tourists and makes the states enforcement more uniform, let it be. With small amounts of any drug you can say you are an addict and get off with a fine you can afford and treatment. And in my (white) experience, the police turn the other way if you are a white tourist. The occasional city cop will jack you up for a bribe if there are no wittinesses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:02 PM
Response to Original message
14. Well, if it lures drug tourists from the U.S., ...
the drug cartels will need to smuggle less into the U.S. ;-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vt_native Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. I think Canada had a marijuana decrim bill....
but the U.S. freaked out and pressured them not to do it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
26. Why is it when a goevernment makes a little sense people go ape shit.
Its not the users who are the problem its the people smuggling it through the borders, killing competition and inflicting harm on those who oppose them. A person who smokes a little pot at night to relax is not a threat, the person smuggling hundred of pounds of coke over the border sewn into the skin of an animal is a threat. Take down the cartels, regulate a market for legal buying and selling and see the criminals loose their control. It worked when prohibition was repealed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #26
34. You have it backwards.
It's prohibition that's the problem. Legalize and regulate the market, and the cartels will shrink (but not disappear, only diversify).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
27. good for them n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
winston61 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:02 PM
Response to Original message
30. It's about time-
Finally, a government seeing the light. Do you suppose they got tired of housing and feeding folks that committed the crime of smoking a reefer? The laws concerning marijuana in this country are an international disgrace. They reek of a time of racism, persecution and official and private corruption. Sad to say that all three conditions still exist. If our banks fail, where will the Mexican dope gangsters launder all that cash? The empire that is the war on drugs will have to be knocked down from the outside. The fed will never concede failure in fighting marijuana and drugs like cocaine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
31. Another reason to move there
as if I needed one beyond health insurance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:02 PM
Response to Original message
32. I favor decriminalization, not legalization.
It's a difference. I don't want stores selling cocaine. But I don't want people imprisoned for small quantities of it. Pot can be commercialized for all I care, however, in addition to being medically used.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. I favor legalization, not decriminalization.
I would rather buy my cocaine (or heroin or Ecstasy or speed) in clean, well-lit, regulated environment, thank you.

Decriminalization does some good for drug users, but does nothing to solve the negatives created by drug prohibition--turf wars with civilian casualties (whether in Memphis or Mexico City, Sinaloa or St. Louis), the strengthening of criminal gangs, the corruption of police, the expansion of mass imprisonment.

Despite prohibition, I can still get cocaine any time I want it, and I live in Nowheresville. Good kind bud is a little harder to find (another ironic artifact of prohibition).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tazkcmo Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:26 PM
Response to Original message
36. How Ironic!
This legalization coupled with our own economic crisis could flip the whole illegal immigration situation! Hilarious
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Umbriage Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:28 PM
Response to Original message
37. Pot is not harmful to a person's health
No study has found a link between pot and cancer, mental health or any other condition. Legalizing it would not be a big deal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 03:46 AM
Response to Reply #37
41. It certainly is less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco,
or repealing motorcycle helmet laws.
What is keeping all this illegal is 2 things - politics and money.
There is a huge amount of money made on drugs being illegal that would go elsewhere if they were legalized and government controled.

Politicians get a goot piece of this money.

Also, no politician wants to take the first step to legalize drug use.


mark
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #37
43. Studies have in fact shown that marijuana SHRINKS cancerous tumors!
NT!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:45 PM
Response to Original message
39. Makes sense ... but not if you're profiting from Drug War ---
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:45 AM
Response to Original message
40. Prohibtion is not only insanely stupid policy, it costs billions and billions and billions
of taxpayer dollars that accomplishes NOTHING --no curbing of drug availability or use, or associated crime. All it does is create a police state.

Many countries in South America are rejecting the corrupt, failed, murderous U.S. "war on drugs" for its insanity, corruption and worthlessness, and for the additional reason that the U.S. uses it to militarize and nazify their countries and violate their sovereignty with U.S. boots on the ground and dictates from Washington. Ecuador is throwing the U.S. "war on drugs" military base at Manta, Ecuador, out of their country next year when its lease is up. The president of Ecuador said he would let the U.S. military stay in the base when the U.S. agrees to let Ecuador put an Ecuadoran military base in Miami! It is a sovereignty issue as well as disagreement with U.S. "war on drugs" policy and also anger at Bushwhack misuse of "war on drugs" facilities (the U.S. base at Manta, run by Dyncorp, was likely used this March in the U.S./Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuadoran territory, near the Colombian border, and is, without doubt, spying on Ecuador and other countries.) Guatemala just elected its first progressive government, ever, which has social justice goals similar to the Bolivarian countries (Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, also Argentina and Paraguay). Guatemala's new president specifically disavowed the "police state" approach to crime and over-militarization of the problem. His first priority is solving poverty. This is the trend. And I would say that it is most dramatic in Bolivia.

Bolivia has been a leader in making the distinction between cocaine and simple coca leaves, a traditional indigenous medicine that has widespread use as a tea and for chewing, because it's full of vitamins and proteins and is essential for survival of the poor in the high altitude, cold Andes mountains. A group of Bolivian coca leaf farmers recently threw the U.S. "war on drugs" personnel out of their region. They said the U.S. agents were not helping the poor farmers, and were using the money to live in luxury, as well as to undermine the government of Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of Bolivia (a largely indigenous country), and a former coca leaf farmer. In fact, Morales, who got the biggest vote of any president ever in Bolivian history, and recently won a referendum on his presidency with 67% of the votes, is still the head of the coca leaf farmers union. He campaigned with a wreath of coca leaves around his neck.

Coca leaf farmers are ALSO ORGANIC FOOD FARMERS, and the U.S. horror of toxic pesticide spraying of small food farms, for growing a few coca leaves for local use, has caused great harm in Colombia and wherever it has been done, destroying food crops, killing farm animals and damaging human DNA--and, perhaps worst of all, driving thousands of small farmers off their land. It is VERY controversial in South America. What is done in the name of the "war on drugs" is dreadful, and the cocaine just keeps coming, with all the crime and weapons trafficking that goes with cocaine syndicates. We are spending $6 BILLION in military aid to Colombia, and the cocaine never stops flowing.

Do the math.

FINALLY, some government leaders are opting for a SANE drug policy, and the Bushwhacks are furious about it, because the "war on drugs is a military/police state BOONDOGGLE (their favorite kind of program), and because they are using the "war on drugs" military presence in Latin America to spy on and plot against the new leftist, democratic leaders, especially the ones that control great oil reserves (Venezuela and Ecuador, and in Bolivia gas and oil).

Calderon in Mexico is a curious case. On the one hand, he just accepted big bucks from the Bushwhacks (and our Bushwhacko Congress) for "war on drugs" militarization. His marching orders from the Bushwhacks are to privatize Mexico's constitutionally protected oil resource. He has the Mexican leftists (majorityists) breathing down his neck. The left came within a hairbreadth (0.05%) of winning the presidency in 2005, in what is widely believed to have been a stolen election. The Left is going to win in Mexico, next time around--if they can improve their vote counting system, if Calderon persists in trying to privatize the oil, AND if he misuses U.S. "war on drugs" money to oppress the poor.

A very odd thing happened in Mexico when Bush visited there in 2006. Calderon publicly lectured Bush on the sovereignty of Latin American countries, and he used Venezuela as an example! I was floored. And I figured out that yet another assassination/coup plot against the Chavez government had been exposed--one hatched in Colombia (Bush Cartel client state)--and all the Latin American leaders apparently knew about it (though it was never featured in the news here, of course). Bush did a tour of about six countries, and got the same lecture everywhere--from left and right, from Brazil to Mexico. The billion dollar "war on drugs" funding for Mexico was just then being negotiated, and Calderon insisted that Mexico have sovereign control of the money, rather than having U.S. DEA agents crawling all over Mexico.

So what I think is happening is that leftists like Chavez in Venezuela and Morales in Bolivia, in asserting their countries' sovereignty--on "war on drugs" policy and many other policies--are empowering even the centrist and rightwing leaders to assert their rights. It gives all Latin American leaders more bargaining power. Control over "war on drugs" money is not a particularly good use of that power, but it at least means that "war on drugs" activities will be a little more accountable to the people of Mexico (rather than being controlled in Washington).

Which brings me to this latest Calderon statement--which seems aimed at assuring ordinary Mexicans that the "war on drugs" is not aimed at them, but rather at major drug/crime syndicates. Calderon's political career may depend on, a) his backing off on the privatization of Mexico's oil, and b) NOT going further with fascist oppression against the poor (seeming more liberal).

I don't like him or trust him, but it's fascinating to observe the influence of the leftist democracy movement that has swept South America, and is moving north. Nicaragua now has a leftist government; El Salvador will elect a leftist government this winter; Honduras just defected from the Bushwhacks and joined the Bolivarian trade group, ALBA; and, as I mentioned above, Guatemala now has a left-leaning government for the first time in its history. South America is almost entirely leftist (the only exceptions are Colombia, a fascist narco-state, and Peru, where the corrupt "free trade" government has a 20% approval rating). Leftist presidents have been elected in Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Uruguay, Chile, and, most recently, Paraguay. So a leader like Calderon in Mexico is under great pressure to look a little more leftist, and also, and very importantly, to look a little more loyal to his own country and people, vis a vis the U.S.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 06:32 AM
Response to Original message
42. It'll anger the pseudo-secret drug running CIA and more...
The incarceration complex,
The disenfranchise voters complex,
The hidden-funding war-monger industrial-military complex,
The nylon versus hemp complex,
The cotton versus hemp complex,
The cigarettes for all complex,
The alcohol for all complex,
The feel good prescription drug complex,
The cancer fund-raising complex,
and, it's morning, I bet there's more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:36 PM
Response to Original message
46. bringing in drug tourists = $$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
Like a big, tropical Amsterdam with beautiful beaches and spicy food.



I'd go.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. 27 bodies found after suspected drug attacks in north Mexico
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 10:41 AM
Response to Original message
49. Good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 10:11 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC