Senate passes 'Financial Markets' (Bailout) Bill 74-25

[kirby]

Source: MSNBC

Just passed the Senate...

Obama voted - Yes
McCain voted - Yes
Biden voted - Yes

“We are all going to need to sacrifice,” Democratic nominee Barack Obama of Illinois said in a floor speech. “We’re all going to need to pull our weight, because now more than ever we are all in this together. That is part of what this crisis has taught us.”

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26953481/

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The bill passed as an amendment to a larger Mental Health Bill (once proposed by Kennedy/Wellstone). The larger Mental Health Bill passed by 74-25.

Because this bill originated in the Senate, it must be passed in the House exactly as passed in the Senate with zero modifications.

[ixion]

1. and so the screwing begins...or continue... damnit

:argh:

"Mr. Wallace don't like to be fucked by no one but Mrs. Wallace."

:grr:

[Mojambo]

3. The screwing began 28 years ago. n/t

[ixion]

yeah... edited

continues is so right.

[polpilot]

24. They are ALL are bordeline retarded

[lostnotforgotten]

2. And The Senate Just Sold Us Out - Including Obama And Biden!

eom

[stray cat]

5. Boxer is so in the tank for corporations! She hates working Americans!

:sarcasm:

[polpilot]

25. This is the line in the sand. I hope the house holds!!

[ohio2007]

44. Campbells soup stock is up as the soup line

is where the wall street failures should be heading to.

rewarding them for doing a bad job ?

wtf ?

It smells of a big time tax hike for the middle class.

[diamidue]

51. I saw that!

When every other stock was tanking the other day, Campbells was almost alone in gaining ground. I figured it had to be because everyone is scared and stocking up on soup, etc.

And how are Americans supposed to handle a "tax hike"?? Baby Boomers nearing retirement; people strapped for cash and losing their jobs/benefits. Next they will probably tell us that all social programs will need to be scrapped....

[kiranon]

46. Anything the right wing Republicans are for can't be good. n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

4. Technically voting is not over

but,yeah, to many Yes votes to change it.

[stray cat]

6. Any word from Feingold?

[kirby]

7. He voted no n/t

[stray cat]

Thanks - I know he reads things carefully - thats interesting

He is also very fiscally responsible and responsible to his constituents

[karynnj]

27. He very often votes no in the minority

I think he uses a different decision rule - voting only if he totally agrees - except on confirmations where he is about the most likely to confirm any person nominated for the cabinet.

[Zhade]

31. Good for him. He still gives a shit about us.

NT!

[az chela]

8. They havent voted yet,they are about to vote

[kirby]

12. The second vote is for a larger bill they attached this amendment to. n/t

[ohio2007]

45. ie...the PORK is being rewarded for votes . nt

[msongs]

9. the blow bush recovery plan lol nt

[PFunk]

10. Well this proves that both houses don't work for the voters anymore.

Damn.

[livelongandprosper]

14. They shouldn't if the voters don't have a clue.

As usually they don't.

[Alcibiades]

16. What, they are wrong about their own self interest?

This should be a deal breaker.

[karynnj]

30. No it means that they think doing nothing is worse

Did you listen to any speeches or explanations? Do you have a better background in economics and Finance than people like Krugman and the leaders of the Finance committee?

[Zhade]

32. Riiiiiiiiiight. The old Argument from Authority fallacy.

Tell me, were the majority of Dems who voted to go to war right?

Of course they weren't - and giving away OUR money to the CROOKS who did the damage to our economy isn't right either!

[karynnj]

95. You can err on the other side, denying that if people who have expertise in the area

in the vast majority agree, they are likely right. I am not speaking of the Senators, but of experts like Krugman, a Princeton economist, who has always been left of center.

[Le Taz Hot]

97. Actually, economists from the

most prestigious universities in the country are AGAINST the bail out -- pretty much universally. Yeah, we listened to the POLITICAL SPEECHES, then we listened to the ECONOMISTS. Hmmmm -- I wonder who would know more about the subject . . .

[superconnected]

11. Palin can vote in the senate? I thought she was a governor not a senator.

[livelongandprosper]

13. You mean a 451-page admendment ?? n/t

[santamargarita]

15. BASTARDS!

Goddamn criminals!

[polpilot]

26. Goddamn FOOLS! They can not tell us what nthey nvoted for. It's the Revolution again!!!

[Prophet 451]

17. Beeb has it too

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7647622.stm

[high density]

18. Better than doing nothing like the House.

IMO.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

22. Well, now we shall see which is better.

but time will tell how this piece of crap will come back to bite us

[high density]

23. I suspect doing nothing would have a bigger bite

But we'll never know, assuming the House passes it.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

28. I would rather be bit and have a transparent bill without loopholes

that can be used against us like everything else that has been passed during these past 8 hideous years.

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[LatteLibertine]

19. Sigh

We can only hope the house rejects it.

As for Obama and McCain they'll be getting a no vote from me in November. Guess I will write someone in.

[Robb]

39. And here I thought the only single issue voters were conservatives. /nt

[diamidue]

57. Yeah, I know it's tough

I felt the same way when Obama picked a pro-war VP. It is hard to vote for anyone who supports this murderous occupation. Obama is a disappointment in many, many ways. So is most of the Democratic leadership. But McCain/Palin = that's terrifying.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

20. My Heroes: Maria Cantwell, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders

"So much for Senate transparency" - Maria Cantwell

[maddogesq]

43. Interesting, my senators were split.

Levin=Y and Stabenow= N

Debbie at least gave me some comfort, although I was ticked at her for her vote on the bankruptsy bill. Dand you Levin, although you are usually right on most of the stuff.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

70. Same here - funny thing. Wisconsin senators Kohl and Feingold

Really f-ing depressing

[AllyCat]

71. I've called Kohl every day this week. Obviously to no avail

And Tammy Baldwin...voted for the House POS. WTF???? God, even Senselessbrenner voted against this mess.

[Hannah Bell]

62. have you noticed cantwell & murray take turns on controversial votes?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

69. I haven't. But I was thinking about that...

Decide as a group what the party line vote is going to be, then hrow a few renegade voters in to appease the public...

[happydreams]

21. Well at least the mental health bill passed hope they get a program

for recovering neo-liberals. That is if there is a country left to run it in.

I am so fucking disgusted with all of this shit I don't give a fuck who wins the election. At least fascists like McCain and Bush send a clear message as to who they serve. The whole fucking political sector is corporate owned. It's like mobbed up.

Pelosi is a mafia princess to boot.

[Zhade]

29. Sure, Obama. You first - give up your salary.

Try living on the SHIT pay we do.

This makes me seriously wonder if I should even fucking bother to vote. HE BASICALLY VOTED TO ELIMINATE THE MONEY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN USED TO KEEP THE PROMISES HE MADE!

I am so disgusted right now.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

33. Can the puppeteers control daily stock market results like they steal elections?

... to make it look like we are in worse shape than we are?

[PSPS]

34. "we are all in this together?"

“We are all going to need to sacrifice,” Democratic nominee Barack Obama of Illinois said in a floor speech. “We’re all going to need to pull our weight, because now more than ever we are all in this together. That is part of what this crisis has taught us.”

So, let me get this straight. I've got a "normal" mortgage that I've been paying regularly on time without any trouble. I can afford my mortgage because I bought within my means. Also, I don't have a Home Equity Line Of Credit. And even if I did, I wouldn't have used it to buy a hummer or install uranium counter tops or take that year off and cruise around the world on a "sabbatical." I save money, I don't live on credit cards.

However, now that criminals have run their companies into the ground through fraud, and millions of people took out their "liar loans" with no documentation to buy that $750K house on their $25K salary with the cooperation of fraudulent realtors, lenders and appraisers, suddenly "we're all in this together?"

What do you mean "we?"

This sucks the big one and I hope it fails in the house.

[Name removed]

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[OhioChick]

35. Sigh. I guess "We the People"

Protesting and writing meant jack-shit.

[btpull1]

36. Nays 25 (R - 15 & D - 10)

NAYs ---25
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sanders (I-VT)

[laconicsax]

40. Cantwell didn't side with * & co?

I'm impressed.

[ohio2007]

49. majority are senators from very low EV states. The big EV $tate$ had $enator$ vote ye$

[merh]

67. The numbers don't add up are you missing some names?

And welcome to DU :hi:

It would help if you could provide a link too.

[Pastiche423]

72. Yep, six NAY votes were not listed

Correct list:

NAYS

Sessions (R)
Shelby (R)
Allard (R)
Nelson (D)
Crapo (R)
Brownback (R)
Roberts (R)
Bunning (R)
Landrieu (D)
Vitter (R)
Stabenow (D)
Cochran (R)
Wicker (R)
Tester (D)
Dole (R)
Dorgan (D)
Inhofe (R)
Wyden (D) <---------- Sorry I said fuck you.
DeMint (R)
Johnson (D)
Sanders (I)
Cantwell (D)
Feingold (D)
Barrasso (R)
Enzi (R)

[merh]

73. Thank you for the list

:hi:

[Pastiche423]

76. You're welcome

[NeoConsSuck]

37. Strange behavior now in the markets

Japan markets were up slighly before the announcement. After the announcement, they turned south.

Same with the US futures market. They were up slightly before the announcement, now they're sinking.

[ohio2007]

55. yep, the market was puttering right along but they want to sell DOOM and GLOOM over the horizon.

so act now.

screw em.

How much pork with congress stuf their pockets with for a yes vote ?


Is this all about election fund donation paybacks ?

How much did both parties raise over te past year, combined ?

[StClone]

38. Thom Hartman Scary Parallels to Pre-Depression 1920's

Stories from NY Times Pre-depression all indicate and incredible number of similarities to today's Wall St. One big item was a similar protection act to the Bailout. But the DEPRESSION STILL CAME despite it!

[ohio2007]

41. we don't take NO for an answer ! sacrifice this !!

:nuke:

I hope Kucinich and the rest of the NO to golden parachutes stand firm.

[mbperrin]

42. If the House passes this, that's the ball game.

Want to buy something foreign? Do it now, before the dollar is toilet paper. Want to buy something domestic? Better do it now before hyperinflation hits. Want to buy something on credit? Better do it now, before interest rates go through the roof.

I ought to be hearing the clacking of knitting needles...

[ohio2007]

47. and the people will forget all about it by election day bc they will spin what "the polls" tell them

to say to get elected.

finger pointing with mud to be dished up

[Lovable Scamp]

48. Really.. where does all this pessimism

come from?? I've been a liberal democrat all my life and I support this legislation. If it passes, it WILL be tweaked and refined. I have complete confidence in this country and the incredible and competent people that WILL be administering this plan. One thing I would demand that the eventual profits.. yes I said EVENTUAL PROFITS in which I have no doubt will happen... be by law directed into funding Medicare or Medicaid or even back to lowering the National debt. I remember when the republicans went fucking ballistic after Clinton used his executive power to provide Mexico with a 40 billion dollar rescue plan and guys like Pat Buchanan was screaming the same old crap about worrying about the 'moral hazard' and that it would only benefit Wall Street... well.. GOD DAMN! it seems after all it DID benefit the US taxpayers to where Mexico payed back the 40 billion 3 years ahead of schedule and the US taxpayer netted 600 Million! So I wonder... do the Democrats want to lead and make this thing work and solidify they're gains and political agenda for the next 20 years? The statement that 'no bill is better then a bad bill' may have some validity at times.. but not this time... I FUCKING REFUSE to just stand by and let the last 7 and some years of bad policy ruin the last vestige's of chance we have left to save this economy by do NOTHING! This is just the start and with the right economic policies coupled with Obama's victory and his leadership... will have worldwide praise.

Eh.. but what the hell do I know? I'm just saying..

[ohio2007]

52. If the state must own everything, there will be no profits, only parachutes for the loyal ones

and ...

never mind, wall street the hyper rich are laughing at the minions and will reward their "beltway boys"


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=kShTUmYRyCw

[Lovable Scamp]

61. The "State is"

you and I... we are the ones to reap the benefits. Of course wealthy people will benefit too..no doubt, but when it does all go down hill, the extremely wealthy will have more power and influence then ever. This is an ownership society and I refuse to go down without a fight.

[Pastiche423]

64. What fucking benefits?

And as to your question upthread, you know jack shit.

[Lovable Scamp]

79. I know that a lot of good companies

are going to go down, maybe even your's or somebody you know. We are watching the disintegration of the financial system. Maybe your willing to watch it burn down without doing nothing but not me. There almost 600 trillion dollars of derivatives in the world and 1 trillion targeted to save our own financial system isn't... in .. how was your eloquent way of speech? Oh yeah... not worth jack shit. Lovely... Stand aside and let people who are willing to do something... take the reigns and work on this recovery.

[Pastiche423]

106. Keep on believing the fearmongering

just like a good little peon.

Have you ever heard the phrase, Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it?

[TheWatcher]

77. "Eh.. but what the hell do I know?"

Well, you asked.

[2Design]

50. This is really too bad - I can not vote for someone who voted for this

this says to me it is the same thing and not change at all - and it screws everyone at the bottom - housing is overpriced and has to fall - it is more than 2 and 1/2 times our median salary - this sucks - I really had hope there would be change and new direction

[galileoreloaded]

54. Saw the best bumper sticker today "We're Screwed '08".....n/t

[notaboutus]

53. I don't know much but I Know Iam a DEMOCRAT

We need to close ranks for this election. United We Stand Divided We Lose!
Do I like the bailout NO NO NO. Do I want a Democratic President in office YES YES YES. There is all kinds of data and statistics going back since the first president that show Democratic Presidents run the country better. This FACT is what I am holding on to right now. None of us know what the real deal is and if they told us I don't think some of us could handle the truth.
Suck It up and Move On! WE HAVE AN ELECTION TO WIN AND A COUNTRY TO SAVE. NJN

[Pastiche423]

65. You like to vote for people that screw you?

I don't and I won't.

[notaboutus]

103. People died for my right to vote

and I have voted in every election and primary since I turned 18. In my opinion we are screwed either way this bailout goes because America is broke.
My vote has never been about "who's one of us" or "who I want to have a beer with" or "religion gays and guns". My vote has always been about the lesser of two evils. The devil you know and the one you don't. Democrats are not perfect but their intentions are often more good than not and their heart is in the right place.
I didn't know some of you could be so viscous when one voices their opinion from another prospective. Lesson Learned.

[Pastiche423]

105. Politics is not a Tea Party

My voting record is the same as yours. The 1st year 18 year olds could vote, was my 1st year voting. I've also voted in every election.

But that is where our sameness ends. I do not believe anyone died so that I could vote. Who were these people that died for you?

Oh yeah, the vote for the lesser of two evils ended for me in 2004. I promised myself then, that I would only have to vote for someone whose ideaology was similar to mine. There doesn't seem to be anyone like that in your party this year.

Voting for the FISA bill - giving the government permission to spy on my and me fellow citizens
Voting for off-shore drilling
Avering that he believes in faith based programs in our secular government
Voting to take from the poor and middle class to give to the wealthy

are not actions I Can Believe in.

[notaboutus]

107. Since you insist on being MEAN

Here are just a few names of people who died so I could vote. Rev George Washington Lee, Gus Courts, Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman. They were citizens of the United States of America that is who "these people" were.
I am not going to argue with you because we disagree. My intention is not to persuade you to vote for Obama. You have a choice and the power of free will but don't think you can go off on me for exercising mine.
I just want to get one thing straight. It makes no difference in my day to day life who wins. My family will survive. You seem like a card carrying member to me and I don't mean of the republican party.
May GOD Bless you and have a nice life!

[Pastiche423]

109. Thank you

But I do not want a fairy tale man in the sky's blessings.

[Nihil]

96. "Suck It up and Move On"?

Now where have I heard that sort of things before?

Maybe it was in 2000, after the SC illegally selected GW Bush as president?

Maybe it was in 2004, after Kerry stepped out despite illegal election rigging?

Maybe it was after 2006, when the "new broom" Pelosi turned out to be just
another Bush enabler?

Maybe it was in the middle of the half-smothered laughter from Wall Street
and the financial institutions when people questioned just WHY THE FUCK
SHOULD WE KEEP PAYING FOR YOUR INCOMPETENCE AND GREED?

Maybe it was all of the above combined with the smashed hopes that had been
hyped in the name of "change" when it is only ever "the same old shit forever"?

Take your pick Mr/Mrs/Ms "I Know Iam a DEMOCRAT".

It doesn't make any difference which one you choose.

[notaboutus]

102. That is what I said no reason to go off on me

In my opinion we can get side tracked and this is why we loose. We know they steal they lie they have are no respecter of persons or the law. I just feel we need to stay united. Bailout or no bailout America is in trouble. We honestly have nothing to lose. So I am choosing to stay positive.
I am a veteran, I am educated and I don't need a lecture nor do I need to be cursed at for voicing my opinion.
You have no clue what I have endured nor members of my family due to the points you just listed.
Unemployment, blatant racism, EEOC complaints, homelessness, housing discrimination. I could go on and on. All go up for us when a republican is in office. I am a survivor not a whiner.
THE RACE IS NOT WON BY THE SWIFT OR THE STRONG BUT BY THE ONE WHO ENDURES!

[ibegurpard]

56. To quote Amy Winehouse:

"What kind of fuckery is this?"

[mzmolly]

60. I'm glad they all voted yea.

PHEW! McCain didn't pull a fast one as I thought he might.

[Hannah Bell]

63. you're glad they voted for 400 pages of pork, on top of the 700 billion

plus to the financial industry, not to mention the 700 billion or so we've already thrown at them?

[Name removed]

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[mzmolly]

104. Yes

uh huh.

[notesdev]

68. This is illegal

The Constitution specifies that all bills that appropriate money MUST originate in the House, not the Senate. The Senate exceeds its authority to independently pass a bailout bill.

[Spoon]

75. Yep, time for a blue slip?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_slip

In Article I, Section 7 of the United States Constitution, the House of Representatives in given the exclusive authority to introduce bills raising revenue by the clause "All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives." Under House precedent, this includes bills "raising revenue and appropriating the same" and the House considers itself to be the only proper venue to originate any bills appropriating revenue. (The Senate has historically disagreed with the House, but to no avail.)

When, in the opinion of the House of Representatives, a Senate-introduced bill that raises revenue or appropriates money is passed by the Senate and sent to the House for its consideration, the House places a blue slip on the legislation which notes the House's constitutional prerogrative and immediately returns it to the Senate without taking further action. This blue-slipping procedure, done by an order of the House, is routinely completed to enforce its interpretation that the House is the sole body to introduce revenue or appropriations legislation. The failure of the House to consider the legislation means it cannot become a law. This tactic has historically proven of great use to the House and, as a practical matter, the Senate does not introduce tax or revenue measures to avoid a blue slip.

[Poseidan]

74. such bs

Option A: Government buys bad assets from irresponsible banks. Banks resume lending.

Option B: Government begins lending.

Option C (?): Institute banking regulations, so lenders have trust-insurance.
- If banks won't lend to those who have good credit, because there is no trust, government regulations would eliminate the need for 'faith' (separation of church and state, such a novel concept).

[ChrisMCV]

78. Risking tombstone

Hey DUers,
I am probably risking an instant tombstone here as I am generally an (R) and not a (D), for whatever that is worth when those we elect really could give a damn about what we want.

I have been lurking here for years, and of course I disagree much as my politics are often different, but I also know that points of view, even when you do not agree, are important to consider.

I have been impressed with the fact that on this issue, both left and right, are realizing that it does not seem to matter what side of the aisle our officials are on, they seem to be letting these fat cat bastards dictate the biggest bailout ever.

Think about it, if both Bush and Pelosi want it, then damn it must be bad for everyone. :mad:

No matter what the spin on either side, the first bill was defeated because people called and said not only no, but HELL NO!
They may have used various excuses, but that is the core reason.

Then the same package, inherently flawed, gets dressed up by a compromise group, basically dipping this cow patty in chocolate and sugar coating, and they think we should just go along with it.

I do have a personal stake in this, if the market tanks, my job is threatened, my home value is threatened, etc. But if we bandaid this and bailout this time, you know those bastards will expect this again, and again, and again. I do not want my children to be saddled with a system that functions this way, and I suspect none of you do either.

Wall street is not dem or repug, they are money. They play both sides and donate untold millions to everyone to keep them in their pockets. None of our candidates or leaders that have risen to high power have been immune, so it is up to ALL of us to stand up and tell them...

NO MORE!!!!!!!!


Yes it will be painful, but the same ones that are telling us how bad it will be are the same ones who are invested in seeing this system continue. Its easy money and fictional assets that your average working man cannot leverage, but instead they encouraged us to invest in their 401k's and the like so they had access to our money to play their ponzi scheme.

If you lend someone money, and they gamble it away, you don't lend them more and tell them "shame shame, don't do it with this money" and send them on their way!.

I will say that yes, those on my side of the aisle share blame, there were MANY mistakes and outright lies told by people on both sides to keep those that fattened their wallets happy. I want to kick ALL of them in the head, D or R.

I am VERY surprised to have taken the step to have posted here, but even though I disagree with much I do respect that you have valid reasons for your positions and you do want what is best for our nation and our world. I am not here to stir dissent, that is clearly against the rules and as an (R), this is not the place for me to come and do that, I will not disrespect your place on the web to do that. I simply wanted to explain that in at least this one issue, many of us probably do share the same view and we need to contact people and raise holy hell about this.

[mike_c]

81. thank you for your comments, and at least on this issue, your support....

:patriot:

[bedazzled]

108. thanks for proving to me that there are such things as good republicans

i appreciate it!

[yy4me]

80. Lemmings n/t

[daninthemoon]

82. PIGGY POLS IN HOG HEAVEN WITH PORK-PACKED PACT

Source: New York Post


Congressional deal-brookers yesterday slopped a mess of pork into the $700 billion financial rescue bill passed by the Senate last night - including a tax break for makers of kids' wooden arrows - in a bid to lure reluctant lawmakers into voting for the package
Stuffed into the 451- page bill are more than $1.7 billion worth of targeted tax breaks to be doled out for a sty full of eyebrow-raising purposes over the next decade.



The special provisions include tax breaks for:

* Manufacturers of kids' wooden arrows - $6 million.

* Puerto Rican and Virgin Is- lands rum producers - $192 million.

* Wool research.

* Auto-racing tracks - $128 million.

* Corporations operating in American Samoa - $33 million.

* Small- to medium-budget film and television productions - $10 million.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/seven/10022008/news/nationalnews/piggy_pols_in_hog_heaven_with_pork_packe_131770.htm

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They have no shame, no honor, no integrity, just avarice and manipulative opportunism.

[Lifetimedem]

83. This is discusting

[trthnd4jstc]

84. We live in a Fascist Nation. The Government and Corporations work Hand In Hand.

If you have a Corporation, and you have connections to the Federal Government, you too can receive bountiful amounts of assistance.

[lisa58]

85. Yanno, I saw this on Keith last night and thought it was a joke...

...why did McCain vote for it?

[TheFarseer]

86. I heard something about $10 mil or bil for mental health

something or other, which is maybe fine, but IT DOESN'T BELONG IN THIS BILL! I get so sick of this crap. I'm wondering if this isn't why it failed the first time, so that people will clamor for anything, even a pork ridden nightmare.

[harmonicon]

92. you've got it the other way around

The bailout thing was attached as an amendment to the mental health bill. I think it was a way to insure that the things in that bill would not be cut out.

[KaryninMiami]

87. I want to know who are the persons responsible for these projects-

Does anyone have a list of which project is connect to which elected official? Joe Scarbo just pissed me off by insisting these were not only GOP earmarks-- Lawrence Odonnell said that the Dems would have passed the bill without them- anyone know how to find out who wants these items and which party they are from?

[daninthemoon]

88. Rum producers, race tracks, sound pretty GOP to me. no names yet.

[radfringe]

89. on the other hand - McCain did vote YES on this

so much for his anti-pork position

i know Obama and others did too - HOWEVER, what does this say about mccain's commitment to cut pork?

[Dogmudgeon]

90. $128 million for NASCAR?

:eyes:

--p!

[Lorien]

91. I thought the headline was from "Variety"

and the last one made me laugh. Ten million will by you about a month of television or film production-a short subject at best. Perhaps a good ol' fashioned propaganda film?

[Davis_X_Machina]

93. The tax breaks were there...

...added to a mental-health-parity bill, before the bailout was attached to it as a series of amendments.

Nothing to do with the bailout.

[daninthemoon]

94. how do you know? please elaborate.

[Algorem]

98. Congressional hearings?Heard Sen. Sherrod Brown on radio this

morning ,he voted yes, and he said he sent Harry Reid a "strongly worded" letter asking for hearings,bringing in the regulators,treasury secretary,fcc head etc.,as soon as possible,though he didn't make it a condition for his yes vote.

[NotGivingUp]

99. i won't vote for anybody who supports this bill. eom

[Gin]

100. I will need the mental health coverage after these past few weeks.

call and letters didn't do a thing...both of my Senators (VA) voted yes!

Isn't the bank sitting there flush with money...not lending until we buy their toxic mistakes akin to extortion?

[WriteDown]

101. That is ludicrous...

Obama supports this bill.

[ohio2007]

110. he only voted for 'the good parts'

people shouldn't be two faced about the bill when casting a vote for senate or their districts rep...but they will ;)