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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:10 AM
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New labels to say where in the world your food comes from
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Starting tomorrow, consumers will be learning a lot more about the frozen ground beef, pork tenderloin, fresh tomatoes and raspberries that they put in their grocery carts.

That's the day that the Country of Origin Labeling Law goes into effect, which requires that labels for meat, poultry and produce clearly state what country they've come from.

Specifically, the law covers ground and whole cuts of beef, lamb, pork, chicken and goat meat; farm-raised fish and shellfish, wild fish and shellfish; fresh and frozen fruits and vegetables; peanuts, pecans, ginseng and macadamia nuts. Country of origin labels (as well as labels indicating whether the fish was "farmed" or "wild") have been required for fish and shellfish since 2005.

While the new law, part of the Farm Bill, is technically a marketing provision designed to give U.S. products a leg up in the marketplace, advocates say it will improve overall food safety, especially after a spate of widespread food contaminations over the last two years.

Opponents of the law complain that it unfairly implies that imported foods are less safe than domestic foods and also places an unnecessary financial burden on wholesalers and retailers. They also emphasize that the extra cost of implementing the labeling law would be passed on to consumers already reeling from higher food prices.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08273/915906-34.stm



Yay - about time!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:18 AM
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1. This is a good thing.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:22 AM
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2. This is great.
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:40 AM
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3. good! nt
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Breathe Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 02:38 AM
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4. But not milk products
And this on the very day that Cadbury had to recall a bunch of their milk chocolate that was made in China because it may have melamine in it. This law also doesn't cover things like pet food. My cats were poisoned in the first pet food poisoning. There has since been a second one. Even Chinese toys have poisons in them. I want a label on every single thing that comes from China because frankly, for both health and human rights reasons, I don't want to buy anything from there!
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:47 AM
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8. Did your cats survive the poisoning?
I'm praying for them to make a speedy recovery. :hug:
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:43 AM
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17. some enterprising vet needs to publish a whole foods cat diet cookbook.
I'll help. any takers?

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 03:40 AM
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5. I want to know the origin of ALL THE INGREDIENTS/ADDITIVES, not just the finished product.
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 03:42 AM by Hekate
Things produced in one place can be repackaged and sold in several places. Quite awhile ago antifreeze was sold as glycerin. By the time barrels of the product ended up in Panama it was simply labeled glycerin, no origin, and was used for children's cough syrup, and as you can imagine, quite a few of them died.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/world/americas/06poison.html
May 6, 2007
From China to Panama, a Trail of Poisoned Medicine
By WALT BOGDANICH and JAKE HOOKER
The kidneys fail first. Then the central nervous system begins to misfire. Paralysis spreads, making breathing difficult, then often impossible without assistance. In the end, most victims die.bMany of them are children, poisoned at the hands of their unsuspecting parents.

The syrupy poison, diethylene glycol, is an indispensable part of the modern world, an industrial solvent and prime ingredient in some antifreeze. It is also a killer. And the deaths, if not intentional, are often no accident. Over the years, the poison has been loaded into all varieties of medicine — cough syrup, fever medication, injectable drugs — a result of counterfeiters who profit by substituting the sweet-tasting solvent for a safe, more expensive syrup, usually glycerin, commonly used in drugs, food, toothpaste and other products.

Toxic syrup has figured in at least eight mass poisonings around the world in the past two decades. Researchers estimate that thousands have died. In many cases, the precise origin of the poison has never been determined. But records and interviews show that in three of the last four cases it was made in China, a major source of counterfeit drugs. <snip>

The counterfeit glycerin passed through three trading companies on three continents, yet not one of them tested the syrup to confirm what was on the label. Along the way, a certificate falsely attesting to the purity of the shipment was repeatedly altered, eliminating the name of the manufacturer and previous owner. As a result, traders bought the syrup without knowing where it came from, or who made it. With this information, the traders might have discovered — as The Times did — that the manufacturer was not certified to make pharmaceutical ingredients. <snip>

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I googled "Food ingredients from China" just now and came up with this LA Times Business section article. It's well worth reading the whole thing.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-chinafood18may18,0,2166175.story
China's additives on menu in U.S.
It is the leading supplier of many ingredients in packaged food. Barring the imports is difficult.
By Don Lee
Times Staff Writer
May 18, 2007

SHANGHAI — As the recall of tainted pet food mushroomed into an international scandal, two of the largest U.S. food manufacturers put out a blanket order to their American suppliers: No more ingredients from China. The directive from Mission Foods Corp. and Tyson Foods Inc., made quietly this month, underscored consumers' and manufacturers' fears about the safety of imported food ingredients after contaminated wheat products from China killed and sickened cats and dogs in the United States. The problem is, what Mission and Tyson want is next to impossible.

In the last decade, China has become the world's leading supplier of many food flavorings, vitamins and preservatives. Like fingernail clippers, playing cards, Christmas ornaments and other items, some food additives are available in vast quantities only from China. China exported $2.5 billion of food ingredients to the United States and the rest of the world in 2006, an increase of 150% from just two years earlier, according to Chinese industry estimates. It is now the predominant maker of vanilla flavoring, citric acid and varieties of vitamin B such as thiamine, riboflavin and folic acid — nutrients commonly added to processed flour goods such as Mission tortillas and Tyson breaded chicken. <snip>

China's overall food safety record is poor. Use of chemical fertilizers and toxic pesticides is heavy. Fraud and corruption often thwart what lax controls exist. In recent years, U.S. officials have issued alerts about Chinese honey tainted with a harmful antibiotic; Chinese candy containing sulfites that can cause fatal allergic reactions; and infant formula missing vital nutrients, which in China left a dozen babies dead in 2004. A small group of large manufacturers dominate the production of food ingredients in China, but hundreds if not thousands of small, virtually anonymous businesses — such as the two linked to the pet-food scandal — operate in an industry lacking tough standards and enforcement. <snip>

A small group of large manufacturers dominate the production of food ingredients in China, but hundreds if not thousands of small, virtually anonymous businesses — such as the two linked to the pet-food scandal — operate in an industry lacking tough standards and enforcement. <snip>

Many packaged foods contain dozens of items from around the world, acquired through complex networks of traders and brokers, before they get processed at manufacturing plants where companies have more direct oversight. Chinese-made ingredients are probably found in every aisle of American supermarkets. Consider that American favorite, the Hostess Twinkie. Of its 39 ingredients, at least half a dozen — such as vitamin B compounds, the preservative sorbic acid and red and yellow colorings — are most likely made in China, says Steve Ettlinger, author of the book, "Twinkie, Deconstructed." In an interview from New York, Ettlinger said he couldn't be sure where Interstate Bakeries Corp., the maker of Twinkies, obtained those ingredients. The Kansas City, Mo., company wouldn't help him with his research, he said, and food makers rarely list the origin of individual ingredients on packages. Nor do they necessarily want to know where it all comes from. <snip>

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:00 AM
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7. I believe this would be next to impossible
I see three problems. One is solvable through modern technology, another would be tough but doable, the third would be the real sticking point.

The easy one is the label itself: in a lot of cases it's not large enough to hold all the things that HAVE to be on there plus the country of origin for every ingredient. Eight-ounce cans of tomato sauce come to mind. Cosmetics (which are not food, but they're applied to the skin and they have dozens of ingredients with extremely long names) are another--they set the ingredients lists in one-point type. This isn't a HUGE problem--every food manufacturer has a website these days, which would be a perfect place to put the country-of-origin information, and maybe the producer information. If the propylene glycol in that cough syrup (propylene glycol is edible; it's the ethylene glycols that will fuck you up) is made by Shenzhen Gold Star Chemical Works, PUT it there.

The middlin'-difficulty problem is commoditization. If Shanghai Red Bird Chemical Works comes in cheaper on its PG this week, people are going to buy Shanghai Red Bird's PG instead of Shenzhen Gold Star's. Never mind the fact that Shanghai Red Bird also makes diethylene glycol and the guy who labels the drums doesn't know there's a difference between the two chemicals.

The biggest problem is the Wild West atmosphere in the Far East right now. If I was the manager of Shenzhen Gold Star, making good pure basic chemicals that were labeled and priced right, and a huge backlash against Chinese chemicals caused me to lose business, I'd find a chemical plant outside China and pay them to package them for sale. Try to prove propylene glycol that came from a chemical company in Hanoi wasn't actually made there--ESPECIALLY if that company makes it themselves. You could probably find a European plant to package the stuff, or just build one yourself. That's REAL cachet!
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:21 AM
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6. Sorry to disapoint you. But labels can/will be forged, when greedy corporations need to make some
extra bucks. The long term solution is for people to grow their own food.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:51 AM
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11. don't see the relevance of this comment
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 07:54 AM by pitohui
sure, people can be and ARE shot dead in our streets despite our laws against murder, you know what, we still have laws against murder and we strive to enforce them

a better world was never created by the person who sits on their hands crying, "i give up, it's useless"

the label laws on fish/seafood have been working for some time in my state (louisiana) and i DO make better choices as a result, there may or may not be some forgery but where quality sellers AND buyers are highly motivated, it makes a difference -- i want gulf coast shrimp and not some shitty "product" from a dirty swamp in china and i am confident i'm getting it


keep in mind that these laws don't just protect consumers, they protect producers of quality food, who have another way to go after those who sell something a little worse (or a lot worse) a little cheaper
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:46 AM
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18. conspirator simply wants you to know your source. it's a good thing.
I didn't see any sitting on hands/giving up in conspirator's post. I saw "don't swallow the kool-aid" and "take responsibility for feeding yourself"

You're the one wanting us to remain dependent on lies people tell us. The poster is correct to suspect the labels- wtf enforces this?

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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:57 AM
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19. Of course some labels will be forged. They already have been.
That doesn't mean it's a bad idea to promote country of origin labeling.

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:03 AM
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9. Good.
It's about damn time.
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BlueKansan Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:26 AM
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10. Wasn't this enacted in 2002??
I remember when it was passed and then not implemented. I was furious. I want to know where my food comes from. I want to support American farmers. Better late than never, but geeze, it took them long enough.
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ThePowerofWill Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:31 AM
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12. About time for sure.
It is distrubing that many people had to suffer before it came about. Makes you wonder where the death/suffering to profit ratio stops and sanity begins.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:12 AM
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13. What took so long?
That's rhetorical.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:17 AM
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14. In Britain, even fruits and veggies even have tags
saying which from county and which farm produced them.... not sure if it's a law, or merely store policy. A good idea nonetheless!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:38 AM
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22. See my post below
and its law.
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:42 AM
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15. How did something good actually happen? I don't understand how this could happen.
:wtf: :shrug:

I think it's great, but I am shocked.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:11 AM
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20. My guess? The food industry sees an economic advantage.
Legally defining "organic" came at a time when the food industry realized that there was good profit potential because of the perception that organic was always much better. It's not accidental that the agribusiness industry influenced the definition in ways that were advantageous to them. After food scares with foreign produce and food products, "Product of the USA" has a similar potential.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:43 AM
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16. Finally! I'm glad this is now law.
I can't believe there are jerks out there who oppose this.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:38 AM
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21. Someone over here correct me if I'm wrong
Everything in the UK has to state counrty of origin if its not UK.
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OakCliffDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:27 AM
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23. And I hope China is printed in florescent orange
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:23 AM
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24. Next up: Maps to show WTF those countries of origin are!
:evilgrin:
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