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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:04 PM
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Bush Did Not Manipulate Iraq Intelligence - McCain


Mods there are only two paragraphs in this article so I cut out what I could

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/iraq_usa_mccain_dc


MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) -U.S. Senator John McCain, who will sit on a commission investigating failures in the intelligence used to justify the Iraq…

"The president of the United States, I believe, did not manipulate any kind of information for political gain or otherwise," the Republican senator told reporters on the sidelines of a security conference in Munich, Germany.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:06 PM
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1. Nice to see McCain is approaching the whole question
with an open mind.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
73. My thoughts and everyone elses thoughts as well...
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 06:55 PM by sfg25
McCame should sit the f*ck off the panel since he already knows everything.

Or is pres. ASSHOLE the only one that could kick someone off? Guess so because he brought this clown on in the first place.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:59 PM
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82. this whole commision thingy is a freakin' joke
they don't report until march 2005? with the attention span of america this will be ancient history.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:06 PM
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2. Shouldn't he recuse himself from the panel, then?
Sounds like he's going into the investigation with less than an open mind.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:08 PM
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5. Yes, it sounds as if he has already made up his mind.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:01 PM
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58. I suspect everyone who will be appointed with have already made up
their minds: is this nothing but a sycophantic whitewash?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:45 PM
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64. Yes, it is nothing but a sycophantic whitewash
Like having Himmler investigate Hitler.

Although McCain would be more like having Rommel investigate Hitler because he's a patriotic nationalist who will support and protect the offices of his nation, no matter what monsters the Tyrants who hold his nation by the throat are.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:45 PM
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80. Which clearly shows a bias precluding any possibility of objectivity.
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 07:47 PM by Just Me
This really, really should be the hammer on the nail in terms of recusal. He has already proven he has a firm position. He cannot possibly be part of an "independent" inquiry. This is totally pissing me off :mad:


<on edit - proof>
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:08 PM
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7. Well...that one's seem to be settled
There ya go lickity split. Wheeeeew boy did they save some taxpayers money there.

:eyes:
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freepotter Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #7
22. Now that we have that settled
what say we move right on to impeachment? Huh, George?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:11 PM
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12. Write McCain and your senators and scream, "Recusal!"
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 03:21 PM by Angel_O_Peace
You're correct, ayeshahaqqiqa. McCain's statement has precluded the investigation. McCain needs to recuse himself from heading this investigation. Write to his office and demand this, and send this article and your objections regarding McCain heading the panel to your state senators.

McCain's address
http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Contact.Home
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:53 PM
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35. No, I believe I'll scream "traitor" instead.
Fucking McCain! Fucking Bush enabling traitor!

:grr:

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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #35
44. So will you
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 04:11 PM by Angel_O_Peace
write or call McCain's office and your senators and scream? O8)

on edit: have seen your post...Am glad you acted...hope more DU'er do as well.
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #44
94. Letter written, thanks again Angel!
(I'll probably get a knock on my door by men in black suits.)

-From McCAIN'S WEBSITE-“President Bush made a wise decision in creating the bi-partisan commission on intelligence. I am pleased to be able to share in the great responsibility of examining this critical issue for our national security. In our war against terrorism, it is imperative that we guarantee the credibility and effectiveness of our intelligence capabilities. I will do my very best to help find the answers that the American people have a right to know.”

-from Yahoo- "The president of the United States, I believe, did not manipulate any kind of information for political gain or otherwise," the Republican senator told reporters on the sidelines of a security conference in Munich, Germany.

Oh Senator...it seems that you already know the answers we Americans have been waiting for - after mere minutes of your intense independent investigation.

Please, why don't you just go join the commission to investigate Janet Jackson's boob? It seems that its the only issue that you and your Congress are investigating thouroughly and in a timely fashion.

I want my country back as do millions of like-minded Arizonas, we will be happy to take this issue to the polls and vote you out of office. Recuse yourself, before we excuse you from office the next time your election ballot comes.


--JusticeFor All
Phoenix AZ

(speaking of recusals...why not interrogate Mr. Scalia about why he is still continuing to insist he is impartial to the affairs of Mr. Cheney?)
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #94
100. Yay!
WTG, JusticeForAll! Am glad you wrote. :) Hope you contact your state senators, too O8)
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #12
89. Sent an E-mail to McCain
I sent an e-mail to McCain, I told him that he should recuse himself
because of the statement he made.

I also said that his defense of this pResident and the party officials, was like a chicken thanking the fox for ripping it's throat out before it died.

The final thing I wrote was that he like all Americans would have to decide if his loyalty is to the Republican party or to the Republic.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. WTG
atreides1!

Hope you also will contact your state senators about McCain O8)
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #90
112. I Live In Arizona....
...so both McCain and Kyl "The Smiling Fool" are my senators.
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JuniorPlankton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:08 PM
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3. As long as you start your investigation without a bias :)
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #3
45. Clearly, he just wants to save us the $ and time of an investigation. nt
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:08 PM
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4. Way to go in with an open mind, John....
:eyes: :thumbsup:

I just wish W would go ahead and name Kissinger, Delay, Zell Miller, Santorum and Barney to the "independent" commission and just get it over with.

Wotta pile of :hurts:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:11 PM
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11. Ladies and gentlemen let me introduce the newest member of the panel
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #11
26. Barney should get the BudLite like the dog in the Super Bowl commercial
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #11
95. Umm, Which One? * Or The Dog?
No, what am I saying? The dog would give the commission too much credibility :eyes:
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:08 PM
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6. yeah john...
whatever!!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:09 PM
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8. I usually don't mind McCain...
But it already sounds like he's playing the role of dutiful Republican.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:11 PM
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13. I think you are being polite
:wtf:
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:42 PM
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29. I was actually thinking ...
that McCain was asked to "speak out" for an investigation, so that picking him for the panel would seem bi-partisan. I have a tremendous amount of respect for MCCain, compared to AWOL, but I'm sure he will still be the shill the Repukes expect.

Cheers
Drifter
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
41. I Agree
I've defended McCain on these boards, & gotten pounded for it, but this is wrong.

John McCain should NOT lend his credibility to this criminal administration.

I have written to him & blasted him.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:10 PM
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9. McCain is a bigger sell out than Powell
After what they did to him and he still backs them??? He really wants Cheney's job bad and he is going to get it if they are elected. The GOP knows McCain will bring back in a lot of disillusioned Republicans who are soured on Bush*.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:14 PM
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16. That is what I don't get
I know he is a Senator and therefore consider more sober and respectful but what they did to him in SC in 2000 (Did the Hanoi Hilton make him a bit uh crazy? A little Gay? Is his wife a pill popper? What about that BLACK child the McCain's have?) and he STILL backs them up when he has them over the barrel.

I guess he is amassing huge political capitol, it can't be anything else. No one is THAT much a team player.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #9
72. Yes I agree!
McCain was the worse pilot the Air Force ever had. He may even match junior on the I.Q. scale 77.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. Not to meaning to be picky, but McCain was in the Navy.........
he also barely survived a mishap on board an aircraft carrier. When a missle accidently luanched from another aircraft into his plane while getting ready to take off. He was scrambling to get out of the cock pit just as his plane exploded, the concusion hurled him 20 or 30 feet. There is some amazing footage around somewhere, the damn ship was going up in flames. Here are some of his awards, trust me these were not just handed out like candy. Ask any of the other military DUer's, these awards show a true hero, unlike our chicken shit President!
Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Here is a good website that seperates the chickenhawks from the real deal!
http://www.deal-with-it.org/general/military_service.htm
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. McCain's military history is no secret
It's his preclusion that Bush is not to blame for the intelligence gathering re: WMD. His statement makes Bush portrayed as the passive consumer of information, just the way Bush hss been portraying himslef all along since the media grabbed this story and made him look "suspcious". McCain should not be a part of this panel. McCain is also actively campaigning for Bush, even as I write this. McCain should not be considered as unbiased in this extremely important investigation.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. Absolutely agree with the fact that McCain should recuse himself
But what does your reply have to do with my reply to 0007's reply that McCain was the worse pilot the Air Force ever had. He may even match junior on the I.Q. scale 77.I was pointing out that 007's reply was inacurate on both counts. Angel_O_Peace, you are preaching to the choir with me. Did you read the content of both posts or did you just go off on a tirade simply by looking at my name, rebellious REPUBLICAN. I have been posting here at DU for approxiamatley 2 years, and have earned the respect of many. If you have ever read any of my posts, you would know that I would never defend the criminals that occupy this white house. So, I suggest that before you jump up on your soapbox and attack a post, READ first! But I do like your passion and wish there were more like you out in the real world.
:toast:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. Your post
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 12:09 PM by Angel_O_Peace
read to me as being in defense of McCain. In my reply to your post, I was only trying to bring the focus back to the article and why McCain should recuse himself.

The intent of my post was not to attack you personally, but perhaps it was not written well enough and gave rise to reading between the lines.

I appreciate your statement about my passion. Thank you O8)
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. No problem, by the way, I did send an email to McCain.....
when you first posted this thread. I did ask him to recuse himself and provided a link to the article as well. I just never bothered to post that I had done this.
:pals:
:yourock:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. Kudos, RR!
Hope more people write to McCain, and to their senators as well O8)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #77
93. Yes, I'm aware that McCain tried to fly for the Navy!
There was also a lot flap about McCain avoiding the accident on the aircraft carrier. Kind of like the way daddy bush bailed out into the pacific ocean thingy.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #93
107. I am not sure what flap you are talking about, as you have not
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 09:10 AM by Rebellious Republica
provided any links. My intention is not to defend John McCain the Republican and his predisposed bias regarding Iraqs WMD's. My point is, are we any better if spread untruths, non-facts, lies and rumors. Is this want you want for our party, thats why I left the republican party and became a democrat. I do take exception to people portraying people like Max Cleland as traitors, or something that they are not. They deserve our respect,they have given the ultimate sacrifice so that we may sit here in the comfort of our homes and have the freedom to debate. I myself served in the Navy, and yes I have witnessed death and destruction first hand (Beirut). I was a member of Combat Camera Group, was also Combat Aircrew and served with the Fleet Marine Forces there. I have many medals awards and citations. Whats your history? I have very little respect for those that have not been there speaking on a subject for which they no nothing about. I provided a link to a chickenhawk site in my first reply. If you bothered to read it, you would see that it is not pro-repuiblican. Here is another link to a site that I think you will find informative on the subject of bashing politicians with military history's http://www.homeofheroes.com/talkingpoints/current.html. I would hope that you take the time to review both these sites. This last one in paticular! So how about giving me some links to the incident that you speak of or is it just hear say.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #107
109. Thanks for the information
I appreciate your service background and all the awards, citations, and medals you have received.

From being in the Korean war and knowing what I read, I do know that things can get blown out of proportions with embellishments and fabrications.

What I know about John McCain is not first hand. Mostly from the freerepublic site from Navy personal that did have first hand information. And from a few articles I've read in major magazines sometime back. I can't recall when or the names of the magazine source.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:10 PM
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10. This is the sound of me screaming!
Unbelievable!
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Swami Love Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #10
23. No denying, they know this could be the end of their run
The kingdom is at stake! They know how volatile this issue is. Rove told Bush to keep running straight up the middle, don't give no quarter. This is being spun as a CIA study commission ONLY. Results in 2005. Puhhleeese!

Their audacity makes us all angry. Then they can portray us as angry unhappy Liberals when we tell the truth. While the mainstream media laps it up.

If Democrat electablity = "tactful" acquiescence, I fear for our nation.

Go see the MoveOn.org film, and you'll see dozens of eyewitnesses re: admin meddling with intelligence.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Welcome to DU Swami Love
:hi:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:13 PM
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14. So is McCain going to continue to actively campaign
for Bu$h's reseelection?

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:13 PM
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15. Glad to see he's considered all the evidence before pronouncing
the Bush Administration blameless.

Harumph.

they don't even hide how cavalier they are about "fixing" these little "investigations" do they/
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:16 PM
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17. Objective Inquiry spelled W-H-I-T-E-W-A-S-H
Is anyone in the mainstream concerned about this blatant bias on the part of the chairman of this inquiry?
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:16 PM
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18. None of us
here at DU really expected a fair and impartial inquirey did we? More of the same BS that we have come to expect from our fine, honest, transparent government officials.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. No We Didn't and Don't Expect One, However
I did expect them at least to go through the motions of at least appearing impartial...Apparently McCain isn't even trying for appearances...Incredible...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:17 PM
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19. WTF????
Shouldn't he wait 'til he's seen the evidence before he pronounces shrub's innocence???

Can you spell W-H-I-T-E-W-A-S-H ?? I knew that you could.....

What a farce....
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:21 PM
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20. Hopefully McCain was just throwing up a smokescreen
I have to believe that McCain has been biding his time and waiting for his opportunity to nail W once and for all. Defending the administration may have been a way to get appointed to the panel. Certainly if he had been highly critical of * he wouldn't be on the panel. One can always hope.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:24 PM
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24. It really doesn't matter
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 03:24 PM by steviet_2003
Not only does the boy king appoint the members, he defines what their mission is and what lattitude and powers they will have and the timing of the final report.

This entire thing is pure bullshit, just a pre-emptive attempt to get the issue off the front pages.

Move along folks, we're taking care of things fairly and in a balanced way, nothing to see here.

:nuke:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. It doesn't matter IF
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 03:28 PM by Angel_O_Peace
no one actively takes umbrage to and acts on McCain's clear and spoken bias. If antipathy rules, then so will the BushCo machine. Write McCain and your senators and scream, "Recusal!"
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:39 PM
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28. How can anyone who ...
voted for the Iraq war be impartial when investigating their own decision.

I do not think a single Senator / Congressperson should be selected for this panel.

Cheers
Drifter
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:42 PM
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30. No person who voted for the Iraq War Resolution
Should be on the commission. Every person who voted for it should be investigated not investigating.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. I hadn't even thought of that
but then he could sell the "I was lied to too" line.

No it would be best if no one who voted for it was on the commission but then it would be best if the accused didn't get to pick his jury and set the parameters of the investigation.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:43 PM
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31. Just called MY Senator Levins office
and pitched a bitch about it...want an INDEPENDENT investigation NOT by people appointed by bUShit!
Gads Im mad...
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. Yay! Good for you, Mari333!
I wrote McCain and my senators and screamed as well. With over 35,000 members on DU, many screams could make for some changes before this investigation gets underway.

Am now sending this article to moveon.org.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. CALLTHE REPUBLICAN SEN AND REP ALSO
LET THEM ALL HAVE IT ..!
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:46 PM
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32. Dear Senator McCain....have you read Seymour Hersh's article?
The New Yorker had an excellent piece about the manipulation by Cheney's office and other important manipulations. Please read it!
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:49 PM
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33. whee. fuck john mccain
party loyalty before all else, despite his better judgement. he's worse than the average republican, even, because he knows better.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:49 PM
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34. That statement alone would kick him out of any jury selection...
Sheesh.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:58 PM
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38. Did anyone really believe
McCain was an honest, aboveboard republican...?
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #38
97. McCain is
a Republican.
Honest, an honest-to-god far-right republican.
Above board? The Kefaver 5?
He is no Barry Goldwater who recanted some of his idiocies late in life.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:59 PM
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39. My brief note, sent to McCain:
"The president of the United States, I believe, did not manipulate any kind of information for political gain or otherwise."

LIES.

You are enabling a traitor. You know, I know, everyone knows - the intelligence was cherry-picked by the OSP, derided by the CIA (just ask Greg Theilmann), shunned by worldwide intel communities, and exposed as mulitple frauds (aluminum tubes, uranium from Niger) before the IWR.

You are aiding and abetting TREASON. We will not forget this.


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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. Time to write and demand recusal
eom
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:03 PM
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40. Heres a TIP for you ALL
My state Senator, Debbie Stabenows office said :
CALL YOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS AND CONGRESSPEOPLE..PITCH THE ANGER TO THEM..PUT THE PRESSURE ON THEM MAKE THEM DEMAND A FULL INVESTIGATION WITH AN OUTSIDE INQUIRY..NOT BUSH'S HANDPICKED PANEL

So I did..I called Rep Fred Upton (R) and pitched my bitch to HIM..
Go ahead..dont just call the Dems call the REPUBS also!
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:06 PM
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42. Kudos, Mari333!
We do have a voice, and it can be a very strong voice if we actively participate, rather than passively complain.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:19 PM
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47. Did Ken Starr presume Hillary was innocent?
My understanding is that the commission is not investigating whether the president "manipulated any kind of information" but the "failures in the intelligence" community.

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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:20 PM
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48. I'm disappointed in McCain
...only because I hate to see him blindly supporting Bush with regard to intel manipulating, but as far as this inquiry goes, I don't think he has to recuse himself.

Since Bush mandated this probe, he gets to call the shots. The scope is only about CIA shortcomings, not about how their intel was used (or misused). Bush even appointed Starr's judge buddy to head things up, and to insure no mud gets slung in Bush's direction. Unfortunately, this will not be about Bush, Cheney, et al. It's about making the CIA the fall guy(s)...allowing McCain to declares Bush's innocence without an apparent conflict of interest.

Our only hope at getting the truth would be a bunch of respected agents, who were on the job from 2001 until last March, to go on record in a big way about how intel was cherry picked. It won't come from this sham of an investigation.
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OutlawCorporatePolls Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. WMD Panel - Individuals Research Links
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 04:28 PM by OutlawCorporatePolls
WMD Intelligence Panel - Individuals Research Links

Laurence Silberman, retired federal judge
http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/july1998/silb-j18.shtml

Charles Robb, Senator - D
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Charles_S._Robb

John McCain, Senator - R
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_McCain

Lloyd Cutler, White House counsel to Presidents Carter and Clinton and Yale grad
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Lloyd_N._Cutler

Ret. Adm. Bill Studeman, former CIA deputy director appointed by Bush 41
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=William_O._Studeman

Patricia Weld, Appelate court judge and graduate of Yale
http://www.google.com/search?q=Patricia+Wald+yale&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N

Rick Levin, Yale President
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=rick+levin+yale
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:33 PM
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86. You won't believe your whitewash eye!!!!
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 09:34 PM by 4dsc


Among the images featured in the Chamber of Commerce's video honoring Richard Levin were the President and Jane Levin, with George and Barbara Bush, and the Levin family at a Yale football game.

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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 05:48 AM
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87. Yes the FIX is in, for 2005 that is
Nice set of links you have there OutlawCorporatePolls, welcome to Du.:hi:

The list of people for this Intelligence Panel are very interesting. First of all a lot seem to be from Yale University, second the Democrats seem to have connections with the corporate world. The link below is very interesting.

http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/july1998/silb-j18.shtml

Silberman's reward was a nomination to the Court of Appeals for Washington DC, the most political and powerful circuit court because it handles most cases involving the federal government. His most important decision on the Court of Appeals came in the case of Lt. Col. Oliver North, the principal figure in the Iran-Contra affair. Silberman and fellow justice David Sentelle, a former aide to arch-right-wing Republican Senator Jesse Helms, voided the convictions of both North and Admiral John Poindexter in 1990. Their intervention played a key role in sabotaging the investigation by Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh.

This Silberman is a Republican fixer. I wonder if this connection will be made in the mainstream press. Considering the press never made an issue North and Poindexter in full, meaning the banking scams, the middle east deals, the deaths, and the drug trafficking to the U.S. Yes the media did make an issue of circumventing the constitution, but then covered North’s bid for the Senate. What a joke.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:24 PM
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50. I'm sorry.. so WHY is he on the panel???
That is ludicrous! You cannot go INTO a panel to find answers, when you have a bias like that!! After Bush handed him his ass in South Carolina, through the sickest of campaigns, McCain is still doing his bidding? I want a REALLLLL panel. And.. since when can the person who is implicated pick their own panel? Hmmmmm?????
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Write/call your senators and complain!
Write McCain and demand he recuse himself.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:28 PM
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51. Blair got away w/ it in the UK
so squatter thought, hey, maybe I'll try that!
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:29 PM
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52. This is true. Bush didn't manipulate intelligence
he did manipulate congress.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. And the media whores
beat his drum for him.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:38 PM
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55. And so it begins..this is such b/s..why look at the data, he
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 04:44 PM by ignatius
already knows the answers.

Repugs ARE all alike, patry loyalty before country.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:50 PM
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56. "The president of the United States, I believe, did not manipulate"
Technically, I kind of agree with him.

aWol doesn't even know how to read an intelligence report, much less know how to manipulate raw info and analysis toward a desired end. The grown-ups manipulated the intelligence for him.

Shrub only manipulated the American people and the Congress at election time, and our allies, and the UN, and the Iraqis, all with the cheering aquiescence of most of our constitutionally endowed organs of information and discourse.

Its still fraud, and of a worse sort. Fraudulence seems to be the sole function of his office, including his existence in it.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Woah - you're right.
Al Gore DIDN'T manipulate any intelligence.

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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:05 PM
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59. Playing semantics
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 05:43 PM by Angel_O_Peace
only muddles the real issue, just as the word "imminent" being under fire in regard to the "threat" SH presented obscures the real issue of the push of the BushCo agenda to invade Iraq.

The real issue here is that McCain does not need to be playing any word games, making statements that show support for a man for whom he is currently campaigning.

Make calls, scream about this...passive observations only allow more of the Bush BS to continue. Being actively involved in getting this investigation to be a real one won't happen unless people invest themselves in doing what they can to oppose McCain's appointment to the investigative panel.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. and dont just call the DEMs...call the REPUBLICANS
I did in my state ..EVERY DAMNED ONE OF THEM...
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:20 PM
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60. Shouldn't this mean an automatci disqualification from the panel?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:28 PM
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62. This joke isn't funny anymore
I don't need an "idependent" repuke commission to tell me what I already know.

Cheney cooked the intel at Langley

OSP cooked the intel at the Pentagon

Everything BushCo said about I-raqi WMD was a f**cking lie.

Throw these bums out...
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:37 PM
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63. The Fix Is In. Remember All The Folks Who Thought So Highly Of John
Just Another Republican Shill!
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #63
67. If you don't like it
change it...write/call your senators and McCain's office. Protest this appointment.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:51 PM
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65. They have until March 2005 to report the results
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4184744/

That is a good one. If Mr. Bush Jr. is out of office, what are they going to do, turn over the results to the Grand Jury? Or this, if Mr. Bush Jr. is still in office (God forbid), is he going to become the "impeach me if you can president"? Just two patterns of thought folks.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:00 PM
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66. Thanks for the link; I just wrote him a scathing indictment. n/t
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:03 PM
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68. I'm going to give McCain the benefit of doubt
because the article is so brief. What was the question the reporters asked him?

The neocons would hang him for treason, speaking out against the president at a security conference, without facts to back up his opinion, in a foreign country. Think about it. It would be much better to have the actual evidence to base the allegations on than to shoot your chance to gather that evidence.

Did anyone watch McCain grill Rumsfield on the contracts with defense contractors? I'll find the link.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #68
75. I agree about
giving McCain the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he is playing politics - framing his participation as someone who could just not believe that the President of the United States would manipulate intelligence?

Imagine his public "outrage" when he discovers the truth?


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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:10 PM
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69. This "independent commission" wouldn't pass voir dire stage
for a petty larceny trial. And we're talking about the wholesale murder of 20,000 human beings (with more in the pipeline, you can be good and goddamn well assured). The whole thing is a fucking joke already.

I can't imagine that even the most hardcore Republican with a thread of intellectual honesty could stomach this laughable spectacle.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:16 PM
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70. Rove must have threatened to roll out the "Black Love-child" whisper ....
...campaign again.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:23 PM
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71. Keeping an open mind already!
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:47 PM
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74. So why investigate? Sounds like he has made up his mind.
This is really bad guys. Now Bush can invade anyone for any reason. The bar has been set that low.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:27 PM
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76. McCain Is Working Overtime Now to Be "Mister Vice President"
The Bush/McCain 2004 Ticket is being rushed to market.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:31 PM
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78. has he heard this testomony yet from some expert insiders ------- MP3
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/UNCOVERED.-.The.War.in.Iraq.mp3

we should make sure every congress person sees/hears this :bounce:

peace
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rhino91063 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:56 PM
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81. A perfect example of the kind of open minded thinking
of a member of the White Wash commission
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:20 PM
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83. How can he be part of a proper
investigation with an attitude like this....He already knows that bush did nothing wrong....give me a break.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:41 PM
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85. The investigation is over already??
I guess he didn't bother to re-read the 1000s of articles, documents and reports from everywhere in the world that said there were no WMDs. Screw McCain. He is a traitor to this country.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 11:34 PM
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96. McCain has confused the crap out of me...
I had the utmost respect for him. This panel is like an Enron panel investigating itself.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:45 AM
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98. Welcome
to DU, ngGale! :hi:
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:02 AM
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99. Is there a good reason why congress can't initiate it's own investigation?
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 02:02 AM by sfg25
Or do you have to have the majority?

Or do you have to have the $$$$ first?

Or do you have to have permission from the czar?

Or is everyone a brain-dead chicken afraid of reperucussions from the czar?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:08 AM
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102. Find out :-)
Write your state senator and ask..and also personally ask that McCain recuse himself.
http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Contact.Home
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #102
103. Ok, I just sent McCain a nice hand typed email but...
will expect a form letter in return.

Now for Boxer and Feinstein.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:49 AM
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105. Glad to read
you emailed McCain :)
With over 39,000 DU members, a few more emails could easily be sent to flood his mailbox
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:04 AM
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101. Well, it sure is good to know that he's
going into this investigation with an open mind and no preconceived notions, no? :eyes:
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #101
104. Well that sure makes it a hell a lot easier.
:eyes:
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hellbound-liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:17 AM
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106. Here's my letter to my senators..
Dear Senator Mikulski, I find the following information from a story that I found on the Internet to be very troubling. The fact that Sen. McCain has already made up his mind about the results of the investigation that he is supposed to be performing indicates to me that we will not be learning the whole truth about pre-war inteligence failures that continue to cost American lives on a daily basis. I urge you to pursue this topic until people are appointed to this commission who will actively seek the truth. A link to the story is provided. Thank you.

MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) - U.S. Senator John McCain, who will sit on a commission investigating failures in the intelligence used to justify the Iraq (news - web sites) war, said on Friday he did not believe President Bush (news - web sites)'s administration had manipulated information.

"The president of the United States, I believe, did not manipulate any kind of information for political gain or otherwise," the Republican senator told reporters on the sidelines of a security conference in Munich, Germany.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/iraq_usa_mccain_dc

All of our senators e-mail addresses are available at www.senate.gov
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:14 AM
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108. never did like or
trust McCain. A complete sellout. After how the Bush people screwed him in the 2000 SC primary, I would have thought he be more of a fighter. Either he's afraid of the BFEE or they bought him out. I figure the latter since a man who withstood 5 years in a Vietnamese prison of war camp and endured hell would likely fear very little.

Plus his unkind, typical repuke, comments about Chelsea Clinton, then only a little girl spoke volumes about his true nature. A repuke whore then, a repuke whore now.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:51 AM
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110. Technically, McCain isn't lying when he makes that statement...
...because he knows that Junior isn't smart enough to manipulate anything. Now, the people pulling Junior's strings are a different story entirely, but we'll never hear McCain discuss anything about that.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:53 AM
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111. Once a repuke, always a repuke
Hmmm.
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