Moyers and Others Want History Channel Inquiry Over (Lyndon Johnson) Film

[kskiska]

It is the most serious of public accusations, but it is so serious that serious people dismiss it as nuts. In a book published last fall and again in a television documentary, one of President Lyndon B. Johnson's personal lawyers asserts that Vice President Johnson was complicit in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

"Simply stated, L.B.J. killed J.F.K.," Barr McClellan wrote in his book, "Blood, Money and Power: How L.B.J. Killed J.F.K." He repeated the accusation in the documentary "The Guilty Men," which was shown in November on the History Channel.

Now, Bill Moyers and other powerful men who worked for President Johnson and who are outraged by the book and the film are pressuring the History Channel to conduct an internal examination of the documentary and televise the results.

Yesterday, four of them met with Nicholas Davatzes, the president and chief executive of A & E Television Networks, which owns the History Channel, and Daniel Davids, the History Channel's general manager. In a brief conversation, Mr. Davatzes called it "a positive meeting," but the complainants were withholding judgment.

"They assured us they heard us," said Mr. Moyers, the newscaster who was Johnson's press secretary. "They're considering our request."

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http://nytimes.com/2004/02/05/national/05JOHN.html

[PaDUer]

1. The day of Kennedy's assassination..

JFK told his secretary to have LBJ removed from the ballot..Something was going on that JFK didn't like and lost trust in him.

[T Bone]

17. JFK told his secretary ?

to just do what? type it up a different way ?
Your post is so funny, it doesn't pass the laugh test.

[DrBB]

2. Barr McClellan = Scott McClellan's Daddy

Hey, just shows that commitment to truth runs in the fambly, huh?

[kskiska]

3. Excerpt

In perhaps the oddest power connection, Mr. McClellan, the author, is the father of Scott McClellan, President Bush's press secretary, and Dr. Mark S. McClellan, the head of the Food and Drug Administration.

Both younger McClellans have declined in the past to comment on their father's book. Their father, reached at his home in Gulfport, Miss., said he had not spoken with either of them about it.

The author himself, however, is happy to discuss his work. Mr. McClellan, whose book includes several passages of admittedly fictional projection — "faction," he calls it — said he would welcome an investigation of his accusations.

[R Hickey]

4. The Bush family is re-writing history

In the Bush version of the assassination, Poppy Bush finally remembers where he was...he wasn't running thru some railroad yard in Dallas at all, he was playing tiddely-winks in Antartica, with Admiral Bird...who was his parrot.

Poppy Bush was totally out of the loop, and in later life, would never feel any compulsion to comission a book/TV movie, spreading disinformation which blames LBJ.

And Sirhan-Sirhan acted completely alone in the murder of RFK too, the assassination which put Nixon in the White House, and kept the Viet Nam War going seven additional years.

In fact, I've got an idea for the next Bush family documentary: "The Auto-biography of Sirhan-Sirhan" ...a moving tale of how Sirhan-Sirhan worked his way to America, bought a gun, and with out any help from the Bush crime family, or even knowing how to speak English, felt such a compulsion to involve himself in American politics, that he had to go to a political rally in California and kill the Democratic front-runner, RFK.

[Archae]

8. Sirhan Sirhan had help?

BULL!

Got even the SLIGHTEST credible evidence to back up this tinfoil that "theory," that Sirhan "didn't act alone?"

Gee, does that mean John Hincley was part of some "conspiracy," too?

Christ on a crutch.

[Zhade]

12. With the Bush family, you never know.

Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting

The Associated Press Domestic News
March 31, 1981, Tuesday, PM cycle

The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.

The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.

The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana.

In 1978, Neil served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice president's oldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.

[R Hickey]

15. Calm down Mad town...

I hope you realize I was just being sarcastic.

For the record, I think Sirhan Sirhan was backed by someone, like Bush, and I think that Hinckley was not part of a conspiracy, but that his ties to the Bush family were quite a coincidence.

I think that the Bush Crime Family have been involved in an number of murders.

[tinanator]

18. lol

count the bullet holes and get back to us. You mean the evidence that was destroyed by the LAPD? Oh yeah, THAT evidence!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

5. I just read that tonight in the print edition

It was totally bizzare to see it there in the middle of the A-section on the top of the page. I'm only surprised there was no mention of "the wink".
Totally bizzzare.

[Octafish]

7. Air Force One, 22 November 1963.

http://www.rense.com/general41/wew.htm

Author Robert Groden was my original source.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

20. I don't think LBJ is clean

As Jim Garrison would say: "He had the means, motive, and opportunity."

[Octafish]

25. Plus the connections to Texas Oil money.

Gee. It seems the Bushes and the Johnsons run in the same circles as the Murchisons and the Cabels and the Hunts...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

27. and defense contractors

NASA and other big money programs were all over Texas.

[Archae]

6. Good.

At the very least, LBJ's family should sue the ass off this liar and hack writer.

[DemoTex]

9. Read Mailer's "Oswald's Tale."

I sit not 700 yards from where Oswald took a pot shot at Gen. Edwin Walker in April 1963. Ironically, I sit not 800 yards from where Dick Cheney lived in Highland Park. Not that either connects with the other. Just that both are weird beyond words. Maybe LBJ was in on the Kennedy assassination. I think, however, that it is much more likely that George H.W. Bu$h, CIA operative at the time, is much more the likely suspect. Just M.H.O.!

[stevedeshazer]

10. You are in some weird vortex

When you flush your toilet, does the water go clockwise?

I agree about GHWB.

[DemoTex]

11. Naw. It goes CCW. Coreolis effect in the northern hemisphere.

When I take my toilet south, to Australia, it does a flip-flop and flushes clockwise, as viewed from above.

[stevedeshazer]

13. Okay, good

I was worried. That vortex thing, ya know.

[DemoTex]

14. Bottom line?

The turds don't care.

[stevedeshazer]

16. WOOP WOOP WOOP

Dive, dive, dive

[R Hickey]

19. I've been to New Zealand, and looked into their toilets...

and I saw the face of evil.

Actually, the toilets I saw there weren't of the swirl-flush variety, which disappointed me, but most of the rest of the trip was OK.

Now, if you ever go to Germany, that's where they've got weird toilets. They have one kind of toilet with a sort of soup-bowl, where you can closly inspect your...oh, nevermind.

[Terwilliger]

21. I guess this isn't a free country after all, eh?

I mean, here we have public officials asking for an inquiry into facts and statements regarding this "documentary" published by the History Channel.

Since WHEN did the law come up that said everything that claimed to be non-fiction had to be fact-checked?? Last I heard, the HC was a private company, not a governmental agency.

That Bill Moyers is participating in this just disgusts me.

If a family member wanted to sue the writer of the book, that would be one thing. The rest is censorship.

So goes "The Reagans", apparently so goes this documentary.

[denverbill]

22. So it's OK to accuse a Democratic President of murder on national TV.

But to truthfully report Reagan's attitude towards AIDs and gays is verboten.

[Atlant]

24. This, of course, is the real story behind the story. (NT)

[BigBigBear]

23. Investigation into the documentary?

How about an REAL investigation into the assassination?

The book had been out for some time, few people took note of it - Nigel Turner just included a segment on it in his The Men Who Killed Kennedy film, which has been expanded several times.

I hope while they're at it, they'll look into Steve Rivel's now-15 year old investigation into the Corsican mob connections.

[crissy71]

26. the NYT story didn't mention the finger-print match

i watched the HC show and evidently they matched a fingerprint found from the Book Depository window to one of LBJ's friends - i agree that the McClellan connection is VERY fishy and this could be Repugs trying to take the heat off the right and putting it on the Dems

BUT, if this fingerprint thing is true - the print was called a match by a leading forensic guy, then the FBI said it didn't match but offered not documentation to back it up - as they say on CSI, "the evidence speaks for itself"

[Don_G]

28. I Can't Dismiss Any JFK Conspiracy Theories

The initial and subsequent investegations were "half-assed" at best and almost all of the forensic evidence disappeared within a few years after one of the most important leaders in that era was killed on national television.

There's a lot we don't know and a "cover-up" comes to mind trying to explain some of the "odd" facts at the autopsy...including "finding" a pristine bullet on the hospital gurney.

Either the Warren Commission never read Sherlock Holmes or they were seriously trying to cover up something themselves.

[crissy71]

29. Tin foil hat alert - Mac Wallace...

was a "Johnson henchman" who, according to McClellan's book, went to jail for murdering LBJ's sister but got out early on parole - Wallace was an old college friend of LBJ's - it was the left little finger of Wallace and latent print #29 on box "A" from the "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor of the book depository that print expert A. Nathan Darby of the Austin, Texas Police Department found a match for


This link talks about the corresponding FBI fingerprint analysis
http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/28th_Issue/mac_update.html

link to Darby's affadavit
http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/24th_Issue/darby.html

I hate to think LBJ was behind it, but you gotta admit this stuff is pretty weird