New Wellstone Bumper Stickers Anger Democrats

[kskiska]

The late Sen. Paul Wellstone apparently remains a divisive political figure nine months after the plane crash that claimed his life during his 2002 re-election campaign.

Some Democrats are outraged by what they consider disrespectful bumper sticker messages printed in Wellstone's trademark green and white. One spotted on a car parked near the State Capitol reads: ``It's time to park the bus,'' a reference to Wellstone's signature campaign vehicle. Another spotted around town said, ``He's dead, get over it.''

``I think it's below the belt,'' said state Rep. Michael Paymar, DFL-St. Paul. ``I think it's highly insensitive. It was a great tragedy when Paul died and a lot of us are still grieving.''

It's not clear who is manufacturing or selling them. A search of the Internet turned up no Web site promoting them.

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[JohnKleeb]

1. Its flat out wrong and sick

Perhaps they are homemade I dont know but imagine the republican outcry if someone did that about Reagan.

[rucky]

3. You mean something like...

Forget About Reagan...He Has:evilgrin:

[bahrbearian]

5. I like that!

I'm going to use it! Thanks

[muchacho]

95. Ha!

I love it!!!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

23. Yeah, can you imagine?

"He's senile--get over it."

Every right wing talk show host and the entire staff of Fox "News" would be screaming their heads off.

[arcane1]

2. what kind of ghouls are living amongst us????

and of course, now that it's acceptible toflaunt your enemy's death, we can expect more of this..

how long until his autopsy photos show up? :shrug:


these poor people, their hate for this man is so great that THEY cannot get over it! they must hate him from beyond the grave, too



I wish I believed in hell.... :evilfrown:

[DeathvadeR]

43. open your eyes....Youre already here.

Or maybe you need some glasses....
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[study_war_no_more]

56. what do you expect from flesh eaters?

Soylent green is people!
Seriously if I saw one of these I would be tempted to vandalize at the very least charge with a hate crime perhaps.
Still Wellstone country - Is my thought for a bumpersticker.

[Bake]

84. A discrete "key job" might be in order...

Not that I'm advocating that anybody do that, of course, because I'm not. I'm just saying I'd be sorely tempted to accidentally scratch the shit out of a car bearing such a bumper sticker.

Bake

[colorado_ufo]

89. Not necessary.

Just get some of the "Anyone but Bush" stickers and keep them available at all times. When you see one of the assinine stickers mentioned - among others - just slap one of these over it. (Make sure that the car is parked, though, however motivated you are.)

[davidinalameda]

4. that's just cold

oh my god!

[Stoic]

6. Honestly, if I saw that on a car.

There wouldn't be an unbroken window to be seen.

[AbbieLives]

15. Agreed

I know it is wrong, but if I saw one I don't think I'd care.

[Yentatelaventa]

46. I doubt it

Would you really risk jail time to protest someones right of free speech? Why and to what end?

[study_war_no_more]

57. to say there are some boundries

Did you see the japanese parliment duking it out on the floor today over sending troops to Iraq? How far will you be pushed?

[geomon]

68. Have you tried anger management?

just what the freeper lurkers love to hear.

[study_war_no_more]

73. I don't care what the freepers think

Dino's spend so much time worring what freepers think and how they will percieve the Democratic party they miss the point. Freepers will hate you no matter what you do and even if they win they will call you a bad loser.

[myrna minx]

79. Hi study-

:hi: While this makes my blood boil ( I still haven't taken down my Wellstone! sign from my window) could this be a diversion from Pawlenty's robber barron tactics?

http://www.citypages.com/databank/24/1181/article11398.asp

Yikes...is City Pages down tonight?

[study_war_no_more]

85. hey Myrna

I mentioned our get together down below. Maybe we can do again soon? How have you been?

[geomon]

91. This is the type of partisanship that

makes a two party system unworkable....Some of the democrats are just as narrowminded and partisan as the republicans ....

You sum it up nicely "I don't care what the freepers think"

Like it or not the "freepers" as they call themselves are part of the political dialouge in the united states to continue with this type of attitude is not productive...

[myomy]

7. The Repugs and those like them, have no shame.

They are simply horrible people.

[Skip Intro]

11. But these are the self-proclaimed God-fearing Christlike SuperChristians

right?

The hypocrisy of these pigs just magifies the evil that dwells in their cold, scared, dark hearts.

on edit:

Aren't there any repukes who simply cannot stand the shame of what those in their party can do? Why don't they leave. If I were in a club whose leader spread lies and death and poverty and misery, and whose spokespeople incited hatred toward the less fortunate of our land, and whose members did things such as this, I would want to leave asap. Why do people want to be associated with an organization as vile as what the repuke party has become?

[koopie57]

25. I can't help but wonder

what these people (and I use that term loosely) would do if they did not fear God.

God always preached love. Love one another. Take care of one another. How could we ruin such a teaching so far as to take it to the extreme of war? War for God!

[concord]

28. Why are people associated with

this group? Denial.

Most of the RWN followers are scared to death of so many things in life, they live in denial and follow the strongest voice.

[lark]

99. Why are people associated with this group?

How did Hitler gain control in Nazi Germany - pandering to people's lowest emotions - lying through his teeth - and promising power. They don't have to think - they just follow lockstep- easy.

lark

[study_war_no_more]

58. Two reasons

Fear and personal gain. The same reasons some French cooperated with the Nazis during occupation or for that matter Iraqians.

[myrna minx]

81. Good ole Vichys. n/t

[SoCalDem]

8. Solution:)

[ColumbusGirl]

17. 100% improvement over Wellstone.

My ARSE!

Norm and all of you idiotic conservatives, I pity your idiocy.

[JohnKleeb]

18. Can I get me a time machine warn Paul and the others

then come back and everyone here is dreaming of a Wellstone/Kucinich ticket.

[ColumbusGirl]

26. I voted for Wellstone

When I lived in Minnesota and it remains one of my proudest moments.

[mndemocrat_29]

38. I helped campaign for him

Never got to meet him, though. Norm Coleman just burns me. Mike Hatch, Judi Dutcher, Julie Sabo, or Betty McCollum, one of them has to take him down in 2008.

[ColumbusGirl]

49. Norm Coleman

I remember how dirty his campaign for St. Paul mayor was....he disgusts me.

He was a Dem like Strom Thurmond was. Good riddance to bad garbage.

[MrsMatt]

70. Norm is a complete letch

I used to work for an arts organization, and I would see him in action at galas - he was hard pressed to keep his eyes off attractive women's chests and on their faces when conversing with them.

I couldn't stand him when he was a democrat, and certainly not now. Smarmy bastard.

[mac56]

75. me too

And I met him several times. His St. Paul office was down the hall from ours. One of the kindest, most gentle, most genuine people I've ever met.

[myrna minx]

80. One of my proudest moments too.

A hug from Paul and Shelia could never be matched.

[indigo32]

83. OMG

I just about fell off my chair laughing at that one.
then I start looking at his smarmy mug and start steaming.

[arcane1]

9. remember Bush's tongue-in-cheek condolences?

'I would like to express my deep condolences for the loss of the Senate,'

that bastard

[NashVegas]

10. Look at it for what it is

Someone thinks the Dems are waking up, and it scares them.

[goobergunch]

12. If I see one of those bumper stickers on a car...

you'll next see me in a juvenile detention center.

[Cooley Hurd]

13. My biggest WTF is reserved for this!

The disgusting piglicans!!!!!!

Speechless, but then again, I'm sure posters will start turning up w/ the dead Hussein brothers in the back windows of pickup trucks...

We live in one very fucked up society...

[rucky]

21. Just Remember To Say...

"Wanted - Dead or Alive" in a triumphant Southern accent.

[Cha]

14. Fu*king Ghouls!

they are so freakin' jealous of a Man who has passed on ...they can't stand it!!

It's the Green Eyed Monster...It's got them by the balls.

[aquart]

16. "Says Joe, But I ain't dead."

Really irritating when the legend lives on even stronger.

Almost makes it pointless to kill them.

[Cha]

19. Yeah! It's the small mind set that thinks if you kill something

Good that that is the end of it. Case Closed. Not.

[blm]

20. That's to slap at the Wellstone children

and supporters. And this mentality is capable of killing him all over again. Pure scum.

[Nambe]

22. I wish one would come to Eugene!!!!

I'd like to meet the anarchist trapped inside my body.

[demdave]

24. Hypocracy....I Doing damage to a car because of a sticker?

I'll let the juvenile slide, you wil learn. The rest of you who say you would damage a car with these stickers are vandals and hypocrits. I have read numerous reports of people complaining,and hundreds of others chiming in, because of anti-war or anti-bush bumper stickers on your cars. I guess it as all a matter of who's bull is being gored. Nice solid stance to take.


So tell me, if it is not OK to smash a car over anti-bush stickers but it is for these stickers....where is the line?

[xJlM]

32. Don't smash it

Just scrape a big "Fuck you" in the hood with your pocket knife. Seriously, this is a little bit beyond the kind of morons you saw driving around with half a dozen Bush-Cheney stickers back in 2000. I wouldn't feel a bit bad about vandalising a car which was mocking a man who died under questionable circumstances like Paul Wellstone. And you can call me a vandal all you want; I've been called a lot worse than that by better men than you :)

[Bake]

87. Don't lecture us about morality

We know the difference between right and wrong. We know when it's wrong to vandalize some idiot fuckhead's car. But you know what? As has been oft pointed out, free speech isn't always free. Sometimes there IS a price to be paid. If somebody puts a bumper sticker like this ghoulish shit on their car, hey, they have to expect that it just MIGHT piss somebody off enough to cause a little minor property damage. There is a legal concept called "provocation" . . .

Am I saying it's RIGHT (morally) to do such a thing? No. Am I saying it's going to happen? Well, I'm just saying don't be surprised...

Moreover, how many of US have had to repair damage to OUR property because we put legitimate, issue-oriented messages on our bumpers? Quite a damn few!

You can only kick a dog so many times before he bites you on the ass. Some of us are damn tired of being kicked.

This whole reminder of Mr. Wellstone makes me wish I had known more about him before he died. The good people of Minnesota were fortunate to have had him in their midst, and I salute you (and I envy you as well!). I hope there will be more like him.

Bake

[xJlM]

93. I'm not lecturing anyone

I was stating the obvious, and I happen to agree with every bit of your post. I'm glad to see Democrats who are ready to fight back. And shamefully, the only thing I knew about Paul Wellstone before his death was that he was considered very liberal, and supported some common sense legislation that was good for the comon man.

[absolutezero]

33. if paul

wher still alive and the sticker said recall him he's a pinko i can understand, but the man is dead and they're still bashing him....if shrub were to die in a plane crash i wouldn't put "he's dead get over it", with a pic * next to it, on my car...thats just f*cking sick

[demdave]

36. Agreed..!%#@* sick

but I do not believe that anyone has the right to bash another person's property because of their views. I have read plenty of reports or cars with anti-war stickers being vandalized. Is this appropriate? NO. If it is illegal, report it. If it is just offensive, ignore it.



No free speech for fascists. Doesn't make sense does it?

[myrna minx]

82. demdave...

Wellstone supporters are not going to trash cars over this...it is just in poor taste. Let the poor taste speak for itself. Wellstone supporters believe in social justice, love, passion for human rights and for all people to live in dignity.

A private moment I spent on the capitol steps was broadcast on the NBC nightly news while I was sobbing at the Wellstone vigil. I felt embarrassed. It was an invasion of my heart. All around me were children on hips, plucking on flower petals, the infirm making their way to the steps, young and old, all wanting to honor the Wellstones.
While congregating upon those steps, burning a candle in this ad hoc community, one gained a sense of greatness. While we mourned, tears flowed, Native American drums beat, candles flickered, and we felt the greater sense of the Wellstone's lives. It was bigger than us. It was overwhelming. Paul and Sheila were bigger than mortality. They were pure essence. I have never felt more power in a state of grief.

As I was leaving, while everyone on the capitol steps were singing "We shall overcome" by candle light, I handed a bouquet of roses to an old farmer, who had tears in his eyes, and he added it to the overwhelming bounty on the hood of the green Wellstone bus. I am sobbing just thinking about this experience.
Paul and Sheila live on in us like no others.

Repukes have no feeling like this. They have no allegiance to someone who has a conscience. They breed on hate, fear and arrogance. If your were at the Wellstone vigil, you would know the overwhelming sense of mourning, grief, sadness, emptiness, faith, hope, strength, foresight, vision and power. Their souls do not provoke vandalism; their legacy inspires greatness.

Anyone who has met the Wellstones would try to better their lives. I have never personally met any couple who was so in love and sheesh after so many years. Sorry for my rant, but I must come to Wellstonian defense.

Let the haters hate, and let the Wellstones live.

[salin]

102. What saddens me is the lack of shame

which is seen increasingly (and sadly across the spectrum).

While I agree that responding with agression, or violating property is not how I would respond (it just perpetuates the ugly side of our society), if I saw one of these I would be hard pressed not to grab a sticky note (no vandal power there) and write some kind of note and leave it on the windshield. Something about respect for the dead, and what it says about those chose to publically broadcast their disrespect.

[northernsoul]

106. Somewhere, Paul and Sheila are having a good laugh

at these mouthbreathers. And frankly, that's the best reaction you can give them. Just laugh and redouble your efforts to make sure that never, ever again will they be allowed to carry the day. Let their karma take care of itself.

(However, I wouldn't recommend that anyone with tasteless anti-Wellstone stickers on their car take it for service to Glasgow Automotive on University Avenue - you might not have a whole lot of vehicle left once Mike and the boys get done with it :evilgrin:)

[ChillEB]

44. Nobody here would really do it, Dave...

You ever heard of hyperbole?

With the exception of myself. I'd just walk up to their window at an intersection and pepper spray them in the eye.

[study_war_no_more]

59. without a second thought

and with the same patriotism I served in the navy. Sometimes a good asskicking behind the barn is excactly whats called for.

[moondust]

27. Spray paint over them and forget it.

Don't get caught!

[Herschel]

29. Disgusting.

I will leave it at that.

[rook1]

30. I remember

...a few fellow democrats that I was not too happy after the Wellstone memorial service that took place. Remember? The one that turned into a political rally. Let them have their stupid bumper stickers. They will be laughing out of the other side of their faces when a Democrat takes the 2004 Presidential election....hang in there...

[stevedeshazer]

31. A suggestion

If this is what you believe about the Wellstone service, i.e. that it turned into a political rally, then you may be more comfortable discussing political matters here: http://www.freerepublic.com/

Would you care to name the fellow Democrats you speak of?

[demdave]

34. You can dog him if you want, but I think the memorial hurt us

in the last election. Whether it was the publics perception or the media inspired public perception I think it did hurt us.

Now I am always suspicious of people with 14 posts also, but do not offhandedly dismiss the point. I believe it is valid.


That aside, I would like to reiterate my previous problem with the number of posts advocating violence and vandalism against the people and their vehicles. See my other post for that opinion.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

45. What does post count matter?

Now I am always suspicious of people with 14 posts also, but do not offhandedly dismiss the point. I believe it is valid.

I am suspicious of people with hundreds of posts also. It's not how many times they post, it's what they post.

[study_war_no_more]

61. you know the truth about the memorial

why are you afraid to say it?

[dflprincess]

77. Let's not forget the confusion over absentee ballots

Karl Rove was on the phone to the Secretary of State's office by 1 pm telling her how to handle the absentee ballots. My "informed source" in the Attorney General's office was convinced that the opinion written by the Secretary of State's office was not written by the "two bozoes" whose name was on it. He was sure it came from the White House.

The opinion said that, under Minnesota law, any ballot cast for Coleman counted, but ballots sent in for Wellstone did not because it could not be assumed the voter would have picked Mondale over Coleman (no one ever explained to me why could be assumed a voter would have picked Coleman over Mondale).

In the last five days or so before the election the Repukes were calling people during daytime hours (when they were most apt to reach Seniors) telling them they could still file absentee (true) and telling them if they did and wanted to vote for Wellstone, they should cross Wellstone's name off and write in Mondale's. Not true, crossing off Wellstone's name would spoil the ballot. Mondale's name needed to be written in in the area designated for write-ins. I know several people who received this phone call. One did a *69 thing and got the number, dialed it, and did indeed get the Repukes office.

Because of this, the attorney general did issue an opinion that all ballots would be counted as long as the intent of the voter was clear. Who knows how many election judges listened to that.

There were also problems with precincts running out of ballots and some precincts in my area (heavily Republican) trying to cut off voting at 8 pm even though state law says if you're in line by 8 you vote even no matter how long it takes.

Unfortunately, even the Dems in Minnesota wanted to avoid a "Florida like mess" and none of this was ever thoroughly looked into. (No doubt this is a result of the Minnesotan's distaste for "making a scene".)

[rook1]

39. Please don't insult me.

I just think that some people could have shown more respect for Paul Wellstone. He was a very well liked and respected man. He deserved to be treated with respect in death as he was in life.

[ChillEB]

50. Welcome to DU Rook1...

Now, who the hell are you TALKING about? What Dem's didn't show him respect? I thought the fact that his memorial turned into a political rally was TOTALLY apropos. It was cool as hell, IMHO. People booing Trent Lott was a little over-the-top, but I FULLY understand why they did it.

You know, it *might* have hurt us in November 2002, but you know what? I'm MORE ashamed of the Dems that spoke ill of the memorial service, just because they sensed that the Repuke's media machine was successful in framing the event as some kind of 'bad thing'. *I* think that if it did hurt us in 2002, it's more because of the public cowering that the centrist Dems in the wake of the 'uproar' manufactured by the RNC and their media whores.

If ALL the Dems had stuck together, by their guns (so to speak), applauded the memorial in unison, and voted AGAINST the Iraq war resolution, the base would've been energized to hit the polls. Instead, many said 'why bother, this current crop of panty-waste Dems is no better than Repuke-lite, so why should I bother getting off my duff to support them when they can't stomach supporting one of OUR OWN when the chips are down".

And Dave??? You know, there's a reason we call this Democratic UNDERGROUND? It's because we've all had it up to ^HERE^ with your ilk running our party. Isn't there a www.Above-Ground_Democratic_Centrist_Moderates.com you can go hang out at? A place where folks applaud the achievements of the Leiberman's and the Bayh's of the party? I'm sure you're bright enough to have realized by now that THIS AIN'T IT.

I imagine you fancy that your presence is needed to inject some 'common-sense' into our discourse, to drag our collective liberal asses into the mainstream DLC line, but guess what? I doubt there are many here who appreciate ANYTHING you bring to the table. If we want to know how Centrist Dems think or act, all we have to do is look at the current crop of Dems in the Congress (the Lees, Feingolds, and Kucinichs excepted) to make this discovery. We come here to ESCAPE from the wishy-washy Centrists that we feel are more a part of the PROBLEM than the solution. The less we're reminded that people with YOUR views and attitudes are presently guiding this party, the better.

It's your choice, of course, assuming that nobody decides you are an official disruptor, but surely you must be sensing by now that you are not 'one of us', and that none of us have ANY desire to be 'one of yours'...

[rook1]

66. Thanks for the welcome

ChillEB......

Paul Wellstone was an honorable man. Even those who opposed him respected him. Many Repug's spoke kindly of Wellstone. He stood by his ideals and never gave in. You keep asking "who" was being disrespectful...every Democrat that booed other's for starters.This was suppose to be a memorial service for a man that was supposed to be respected by his fellow Democrats.

"We're sorry if some of the comments went too far in a political direction," Jim Farrell, the former press secretary for Wellstone, told CNN.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I think that this behavior hurt us during the election. It turned a lot of people away that would have voted for Democrats....IMHO.

B-)

[study_war_no_more]

67. there were about ten loud booers

there were thousands of others feeling a very great loss not to mention how many nationally tuned in. But because of those ten and Ricks great love and COMMITMENT to the issues that Paul fought for (thats a fancy way of saying people) All liberals are atrocious greedy warloving wasteful simpletons who couldn't pick their nose and fart at the same time(catch the drift).

[lark]

101. Don't you get it?

The major media fix is way in. Paid Repug thugs disrupt the vote counting in Miami/Dade, destroy door, harass vote counters physically and rarely a negative peep was heard. Some emotionally distraught Dems get a little partisan and it's major news. It was just a cover for their vote stealing success. Yeah, they lost due to an ugly funeral. Get real! They stole MN just like they stole FL and stole GA in the last election. The greatest story getting the least coverage is that the fiery Don Nickles R of OK is a major part of the Diebold election machines and that they have second files which can be manipulated. Until this changes, and with the post vote polling being stopped, we will lose every important race. That's why the Repugs are going for it in CA. There's no way in h--- they'd ever win fairly, so they cheat and get away with it because they've bought and sold the opinion makers and too many people just don't pay attention.

Depressed

lark

[study_war_no_more]

62. And the repukes respected our right to mourn him with the same commitment

he showed in life?
No way! They turned it into a political rally we were just showing pride in what it means to be a Democrat granted these days that may have confused the dino's but i have no regrets and only pride that I partook in that memorial.

[study_war_no_more]

60. The Wellstone memorial Massacre

was a media master piece and may have well cost Mondale the election (not the memorial but the condemnation of it) The silence of the democrats was inexcusable just as the votes for war were. Political backbone may began with the trashing of vehical, we have to make it cost to be a hater/or it will continue to grow in our silence.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

72. Totally right

If all the Dems had spoken as one--the way Al Franken did on the Donohue Show--the Repiggies would have been forced to back down.

By saying nothing, they appeared to accept the criticism. By becoming publicly indignant, they would have exposed the Repiggies for the sniping little cowards that they are.

[rook1]

98. Bad choice

Mondale was bad choice...wouldn't you agree?

[dflprincess]

100. There was no other choice

There may have been better candidates, but we only had 10 days and Mondale was willing to do it.

[study_war_no_more]

103. Not at all

He was eloquent and even the GOP had to admit he won the debate that is why they went after the wellstone memorial massacre.

[maxanne]

35. it's all about fear

The right wing knows how tenuous it's position is - and so they will do anything to keep power within their grasp. They are afraid. Afraid of how angry people really are - afraid that the citizens of this country are waking up - afraid more like Wellstone will come along and run their sorry asses out of town.

They are absolutely pantswettingly terrified right now.

And they should be.

We're going to kick 'em out.

[DemonFighterLives]

37. No Vandalism

That is against anything Paul stood for. How many men do the dems need as martyrs. JFK and RFK and John John and Paul Wellstone. We can only imagine what could have been if any of those went on to become president or lived to serve the entire term. Sickos.

[study_war_no_more]

63. oh come on we are not talking murdering the sons of a tyrant

only setting an SUV or two on fire. Man if you got balls enough to sport a bumper sticker like that I will be honored to kick your ass.

[Bake]

88. Anybody here seen my old friend Abraham? Martin? John?

It seems the good, they die young.

Why is it there are no Puke martyrs? Anybody ever wonder about that?

Bake

[Guaranteed]

40. TIME TO BREAK OUT THE BARB OLSON BUMPERSTICKERS!! N/T

[grasswire]

41. Ted already got over it.

....according to that pic of him with the blonde babe.

[kskiska]

42. Ted gets over those things quickly

After all, Barbara was his 3rd or 4th wife, and he was her 2nd husband.

[MaraJade]

47. Whenever you see a car parked with a bumper sticker like that

you just slap an anti-Bush or anti-War sticker right over it
and walk away.

The nutcase will just hop in their car and drive merrily away--only this time with a bumper that proudly reads "Anyone But Bush" or
"Regime Change Starts at Home" or the like.

This is a whole lot funnier than vandalizing the car.

[rook1]

48. That's a good idea

Excellent idea....I wished I had thought of it...:-)


:toast:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

52. My bumper sticker response moment 20 years ago

On my daily walk, I passed the parking lot of a Missouri Synod (fundamentalist) Lutheran Church. One day, the parking lot was full, and one of the cars nearest the sidewalk had a bumper sticker with a picture of an apple, a pencil, and a mortarboard cap, with the caption, "Kids Need to Pray."

I just happened to have a marking pen in my purse, so I took it out and added, "But not in school."

I was naughty. :evilgrin:

Surely there is some clever remark that people can add on to either or both of these bumperstickers.

When I was in graduate school, writing sarcastic remarks on other people's political posters was almost an art form.

[MaraJade]

54. Sounds like a winner to me!

Imagine the phrase "and get a beer" added to that ignorant
"park the bus" one. . .

Just make sure you use a nice, bold Permanent Marker.

:evilgrin:

[geomon]

69. That was pretty narrowminded.

and it is perfectly legal to pray in school as long as the prayer is not lead by an agent of the school.

It was not naughty it was stupid.

Since when is the missouri synod fundamentalist.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

71. Response

"it is perfectly legal to pray in school as long as the prayer is not lead by an agent of the school."

I know that, but that's not what the "Christian" right is telling its followers. It's telling them horror stories about kids getting punished for saying grace over their lunch.

You must also be aware that when the rightwingers talk about "school prayer," they're not talking about the right of kids to say private prayers, which, as you pointed out, already exists. No, they want official religious observances in public schools, such as used to exist in some Eastern and Southern states, where the state mandated that every school day had to begin with the Lord's Prayer or the reading of ten verses from the Bible. They applaud teachers who assign students to write essays on "What Jesus means to me."

My father was an ELCA Lutheran pastor, and with a "The Rev." before his name, he used to be on the mailing list of just about every denomination you can imagine.

As I was growing up and later, when I went back to visit, I used to look through these publications, because they were sometimes so fascinatingly awful.

I specifically remember the pamphlet that the Missouri Synod put out about why it wasn't going to join the ELCA. Basically, it didn't want to join up with people who weren't Biblical literalists.

The Missouri Lutherans may go in for a formal liturgy instead of the "Rah-rah for Jesus" approach typical of fundamentalists, but their theology is very, very conservative.

[geomon]

92. It is pretty easy to

brand somthing this or that but a far greater challenge to prove your point. You have thron out a great deal of rhetoric but you have not gone far in proving A: the "rightwing" conspiracy to make all the kids pray B: the Missouri Synod is fundamentalist

[Lars39]

94. 2nd opinion: yes, the Missouri Synoud is a fundamentalist church.

[study_war_no_more]

64. Still Wellstone Country

This was what we thought of at our DU get together which was a great event!!! Go Minneapolis!!

[Democat]

51. Norm Coleman supporters no doubt

Norm Coleman must be beat when he is up for re-election. He is an empty shell Bush ass kisser who shames the people of Minnesota for putting him where he is.

[study_war_no_more]

65. Pawlenty of malarky in Minnesota

Its the ideology of the republicans that has to be addressed not the personalities. Neomorlocks should always be exposed as flesh eaters.

[dflprincess]

78. "Pawlenty of malarky"

LOL I love it

[bvar22]

53. I live in St Paul.

My car, bicycle, and boat all display WELLSTONE! stickers and signs. I wear my Wellstone T-Shirt to most outdoor public functions and protests. I am not alone. Many, many residences still have WELLSTONE! campaign posters in their front yards....some with a black memorial ribbon. I describe myself as a Wellstonian Democrat.

No blow dried, bottle tanned, * lap dog sitting in Paul's chair can diminish the greatness of the man and his tireless work for the people. I beleive that even the most reptilian of the neocons are ashamed when they see normie trying (or not) to fill Paul's shoes...hence the resentment.

A bumper sticker started showing up shortley after Wellstone was killed. It says simply:
"What Would Wellstone Do?"

After hearing about this toiday, I am motivated to make a highway overpass size sign that says:
"You killed the body,
but you can't kill the spirit.
Paul lives on in the soul
of all decent Minnesotans!"

[Lydia Leftcoast]

55. Decent Minnesotans

When I was there in June, I was pleased to see all those yard signs that said, "Willing to Pay for a Better Minnesota."

Here in Portland, Multnomah County approved an income tax surcharge to pay for schools, but meanwhile, with schools already inadequately funded and the surcharge designed only to keep things from deteriorating further, the noisome anti-tax brat Bill Sizemore pops up with yet another property tax limitation initiative.

:grr:

[wheresthemind]

74. man I miss Paul...

And though I know it would be horribly wrong...

I don't know what i would do if I saw one of those bumper stickers...

[koopie57]

76. If they can recall Davis

maybe we could recall Coleman. Even if it didn't work, it sure would be fun! I wonder if Garrison Keillor would help with some funding for it?

[JohnKleeb]

86. I am not a Minnesonian so Paul was not my senator but

Id would love to have him and he grew up near here.
Paul Wellstone
RIP 1944-2002

Allow this great hero of a man not to be forgotten my fellow DUers.
I remember the day he died too.
My dream is but I cant dream it because Paul well is dead
Wellstone/Kucinich I think we all could appreciate that right.

[Vitruvius]

90. It sounds a lot like the Rethugs are gloating over having Wellstone killed

-- at least gloating on a subconscious level. I think down deep a lot of them know what went down -- because it's what they'd have done if they had the hit-man skills to get away with it. And they're glad.

Political murders are as American as cherry pie. And the Rethugs are very American indeed.

[muchacho]

96. Hacking the Media

The Right wing has gotten off with foul verbage for years because they make it clever and funny and paint any outcry with the brush of "political correctness", or what used to be called common decency.

The Left needs to take up the challenge. The bar has been lowered and IT WORKKS. Get used to it and have fun bashing the pricks.

Now what are some pithy saying we can get behind?

to get the ball rolling:

Reagan library - don't color in all the books.
Hey Reagan, bet you could use some of those stem cells now!
Hey Bush, you bring it on!
Hey DeLay, that bugspray really messes with your head, eh?
Bush - brilliant when contrasted with dan quayle.
Media - stenographers with amnesia (in tribute to Izzy Stone)

[young_at_heart]

97. They usually laugh while they are "slamming"

You're right about the attacks being couched in humor, etc. People who hurl insults and worse and then laugh while they are doing it show their complete lack of civility.

[study_war_no_more]

104. canned laugh tracks

just for the record I'm not laughing.

[MODemocrat]

105. Pubs are so sick. We can't even say Bush has chicken legs

He not only has chicken legs, the rest of him is chicken too.

[tokenlib]

107. Still under their skin?? GOOD!

Glad to see the narrow minded pukes are irritated that progressive dems refuse to roll over and play dead.
Yeah, I'd like to slash the tires of a vehicle if I saw the sticker---yeah, it's a childish response--yeah, I'd never do it---

But on reflection--it is great to know they are that irritated and annoyed enough to go get stickers. Let's do our best to stay under their skin...