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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:17 PM
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A Racial Plot? ... Suspects discussed assassination 'because Obama is black,' documents say
Source: Newsweek

Suspects discussed assassination 'because Obama is black,' documents say

Mark Hosenball
Newsweek Web Exclusive
Updated: 12:43 PM ET Aug 27, 2008
Three men now under arrest in Denver on federal and local gun and drug charges spent last Saturday night discussing their hatred for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, according to documents made public by the government late Tuesday. One of the suspects allegedly talked about killing Obama on the "day of his Inauguration" using a .22-250 caliber sniper rifle and high-powered scope--the same model rifle that was found in one of the suspect's possession by police during a routine traffic stop last weekend.

The three men under arrest, whom authorities believe to be white supremacists, talked about how they hated Obama because he was black, how they "could not believe how close he was to becoming president, and how no "n----r" should ever live in the White House, a female witness told the Secret Service, according to the documents. (The witness is unnamed in the papers.)

According to a set of court complaints released by federal authorities, two of the three suspects, under questioning by the Secret Service, told investigators that they were present for discussions about killing Obama in what one of them characterized as a "shooting on a grassy knoll." One suspect told the Secret Service that the men did not have a political motive for killing Obama, but rather, as paraphrased by the government documents, "the only reason to kill Obama is because Obama is black."

Federal, state and local authorities are now trying to determine whether the conversation threatening Obama's life was simply, as one official put it, "drugs talking" or whether the suspects really had motive, means and a genuine opportunity to attack the candidate on the night that he accepts the Democratic nomination for president of the United States. Authorities say the suspects had been using drugs heavily at the time of the discussions, and investigators seized quantities of methamphetamine.



Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/id/155795
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:18 PM
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1. Friggin' Nutjobs.....
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:23 PM
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3. OMG - the mugshots - all three of them...


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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:47 PM
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8. I've always wondered who the white supremacists
thought they were superior to. They seem to be pretty poor specimens, actually.
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:15 PM
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13. *snort* They look like they don't have one tooth between 'em.
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JackInGreen Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:28 PM
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15. Not to make TOO much light of this
But is anyone else concerned that Homer Simpson, Snake, and Cletus are the ones behind this?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:53 PM
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23. LOL! I spotted Cletus right away.
Some folks'lll never eat a skunk
But then again, some folks'll
Like Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel

Most folks'll never lose a toe
But then again, some folks'll
Like Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:03 PM
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18. The guy in the middle looks like Wally Cleaver with bleached hair...


...Maybe he ought to stay away from June's bottle of bleach.

Hey! He also looks a little like James MacArthur of "Hawaii 5-0" fame...



...Book 'em, Dano!
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:13 PM
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21. YIKES!!!!...And and some people are
against cleaning up the gene pool...:wtf:

:D
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:30 PM
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30. Bachelor #3 especially looks like one of the Jukes or Kallikaks
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:40 AM
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32. Jesus, talk about meth-head trash right there
They look like extras out of Idiocracy.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:23 PM
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2. Well, now we know why the plot was immediately dismissed
as "not a credible threat": because it was just race-based.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:25 PM
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4. freepers.......
...you can bet they were members of free republic. in fact, you can bank on it.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:27 PM
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5. This is a good time to try to find out which trolls are missing here. n/t
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:18 PM
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14. you think they can get away from cooking meth
long enough to focus on posting even the most incoherent rant? Maybe.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 04:22 PM
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25. Racial stuff...
Never made much sense to me. Crosses party lines and I can never pin it on any one political party. Oddly, I've lived in both the North, South, and West and I'd say there is an equal amount of racism everywhere.
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:44 PM
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6. They are horrible idiots who deserve jail time either way
The silver lining to this whole awful group and their plan is that the idiots could not so much as drive across town successfully. They were apparently so hopped-up on meth that lane changes posed insurmountable challenges to the one who was driving.

This type of bust is the appropriate work for the Denver PD: kudos to the officer who made the traffic stop and investigated further.

I fervently hope that Barack Obama stays safe, lives a long and productive life, and gets all the secret service protection he needs and more. And I hope his presidency accomplishes much in the cause to diminish racism in our great nation. Hopefully after four or eight years of an Obama administration, skin color will no longer be a sole cause for even taking sides, much less plotting assassinations.

-app
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:45 PM
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7. Barack is black!? I had no idea.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:54 PM
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9. Can't charge these guys, but wasn't some kid arrested for posting that he wished Bush was dead a few
years back?
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:58 PM
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11. they arrested some guy for heckling poppy bush.....
...while he was speaking at a college or something, years after he had already become insignificant.
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Pete2069 Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:55 PM
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10. Want would happen if these three Men
Do we even have to ask what would happen if the same statement
about McCain , Bush or Cheney!!!

As far as that goes any republican.   We need not answer that
question we have seen the American citizens arrested and
charged for just wearing an anti Bush T-Shirt , also for just
getting close to Cheney so they could ask him a  question.

Bush said , if this country was a dictatorship I could run it
very easily, as long as I am the one (dictator).
We have also heard what Bush said and thinks about our
constitution , we have also seen his display of a fascist
government.

We know that Bush , Cheney and McCain will sell our jobs as
well as our security to the highest bidder
"OVERSEAS" , because they have and we are in a
recession.


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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:14 PM
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12. COMMENTS ON ANOTHER NUTJOB
I Spent Years as a POW with John McCain, and His Finger Should Not Be Near the Red Button
By Phillip Butler, Military.com
Posted on August 21, 2008, Printed on August 26, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/95825/


John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States.
When I was a Plebe (4th classman, or freshman) at the Naval Academy in 1957-58, I was assigned to the 17th Company for my four years there. In those days we had about 3,600 midshipmen spread among 24 companies, thus about 150 midshipmen to a company. As fortune would have it, John, a First Classman (senior) and his room mate lived directly across the hall from me and my two room mates. Believe me when I say that back then I would never in a million or more years have dreamed that the crazy guy across the hall would someday be a Senator and candidate for President!
John was a wild man. He was funny, with a quick wit and he was intelligent. But he was intent on breaking every USNA regulation in our 4 inch thick USNA Regulations book. And I believe he must have come as close to his goal as any midshipman who ever attended the Academy. John had me "coming around" to his room frequently during my plebe year. And on one occasion he took me with him to escape "over the wall" in the dead of night. He had a taxi cab waiting for us that took us to a bar some 7 miles away. John had a few beers, but forbid me to drink (watching out for me I guess) and made me drink cokes. I could tell many other midshipman stories about John that year and he unbelievably managed to graduate though he spent the majority of his first class year on restriction for the stuff he did get caught doing. In fact he barely managed to graduate, standing 5th from the bottom of his 800 man graduating class. I and many others have speculated that the main reason he did graduate was because his father was an Admiral, and also his grandfather, both U.S. Naval Academy graduates.
People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always "No - John McCain was a POW with me." The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 1/2 years later, so he was a POW for 5 1/2 years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW.
John's treatment as a POW:
1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.
2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case -- new POW's arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John's father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW's suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda.
3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first.
4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor -- 8, Service Crosses -- 42, Silver Stars -- 590, Bronze Stars -- 958 and Purple Hearts -- 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many -- not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe.
John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More that 600 of us did the same. After our repatriation a census showed that 95% of us had been tortured at least once. The Vietnamese were quite democratic about it. There were many heroes in North Vietnam. I saw heroism every day there. And we motivated each other to endure and succeed far beyond what any of us thought we had in ourselves. Succeeding as a POW is a group sport, not an individual one. We all supported and encouraged each other to survive and succeed. John knows that. He was not an individual POW hero. He was a POW who surmounted the odds with the help of many comrades, as all of us did.
I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.
Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years.
I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.
It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration.
I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" he markets himself to be.
Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man, but not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States.
AlterNet is a nonprofit organization and does not make political endorsements. The opinions expressed by its writers are their own.
Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals. After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego and became a Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant. He completed his Navy career in 1981 as a professor of management at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He is now a peace and justice activist with Veterans for Peace. © 2008 Military.com All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/95825/

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hasssan1 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:34 PM
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16. MAYBE RUSH AND HANITY SENT THEM ;)
FBI SHOULD ASK THEM HARDER THAT WHO SENT THEM THERE .
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:51 PM
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17. As I remember, the DOJ made a big to do about some blacks in Fla.
who were allegedly going to blow up the Sears Tower all the way up in Chicago. However, they did not have any weapons, plans or brains. It would not do for the white supremist terrorists with GUNS to receive any credibility, now would it. The powerful white supremists, the GOPers for McCain and the NRA might get upset.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:31 PM
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19. The vast majority of terrorists are right-wing on the ideological spectrum. (fact). n/t
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:02 PM
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20. As John Pilger put it:" There is no war on terrorism. If there was, the Royal
Marines and the SAS would be storming the beaches of Florida, where more CIA-funded terrorists, ex-Latin American dictators and torturers, are given refuge than anywhere on earth."

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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 10:11 PM
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31. I think we have our share on the animal rights and environmental front.
But I would agree that the majority are on the other side of the fence.

David
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Martinucho Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:27 PM
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22. Breaking: No evidence of death plot
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 04:45 PM by Martinucho
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:55 AM
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33. No evidence??
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4617490.ece

The suspects were seized in the early morning after police stopped Mr Gartrell, who had been driving a rented Dodge pick-up truck erratically. In the vehicle officers found two high-powered rifles, including one with telescopic sights, along with radios, wigs, a bullet-proof vest, a high-magnification spotting scope, three identifications not belonging to Mr Gartrell, and 44 grams of the stimulant methamphetamine. One rifle had a threaded barrel so that it could be fitted with a silencer.

Also found in their pick-up truck were three kits for the production of methamphetamine and the necessary ingredients.

Mr Johnson, an unemployed lorry driver, told CBS4, the Denver television station, from his cell that his friends had told him that they did not want Mr Obama to be president. “He don’t belong in political office — or blacks don’t belong in political office,” he said. “He gotta be shot.” Mr Johnson continued: “He had said that, yes, it would be probably on the day of the acceptance speech.”


All of that in their possession and talk of assassinating Obama at Mile High Stadium and this is not evidence of a plot?

:wtf:

You'll get arrested for heckling * but these sickos are let go??

Why are they downplaying this??
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:50 PM
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24. kind of like rush limbo scoffing at obama...
because he is 'black'!
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mattstrust Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:27 PM
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26. Pat Dollard radio show talks about killing Obama

On the Aug 24 edition of the Pat Dollard 'Jihadikiller Hour' radio show, the guest host and callers, several of whom are ex-military, talk about killing Biden and Obama.

The Pat Dollard website is at http://www.patdollard.com
The show can be downloaded from blog talk radio, here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/welsh

The conversation starts off with normal talk radio coverage of the DNC convention. But after 22 minutes and 50 seconds, a caller starts talking of a coming 'civil war', saying 'who has the guns and knows how to use them?', to which the host replies 'We do'. The caller starts talking about Obama's 'infanticide' vote on an Illinois state legislature abortion bill. The caller says "I never really hated Obama, until that . . . . when I heard about that, I wanted to kill him". The host, nicknamed 'bash' or 'bashman', goes on to call Obama 'Barack Insane Obama the fucking baby killer', and calls his actions 'evil evil evil, fucking evil'.

At 27 minutes and 38 seconds another caller, named 'TeeBag', phones in. When asked what he thinks of Biden, he says 'I want to assassinate him, right with Obama . . . If anybody has a plan, I'll buy the bullets." The host goes on to say " you put him in the class of jihadis . . . then it's not wrong to wish him dead, right?"

The caller says "If anybody pulls it off, I wouldn't call them crazy, I'd call them a hero". The host replies "So would I. He'd become a hero and he knows it. There's gotta be somebody out there with a hero complex. . . . ready to make . . . his mark in history."


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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:36 PM
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27. Yeah, real fuckin' smart...
he is only HALF BLACK morans!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:00 PM
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28. I haven't seen my brother in a while ...
Eric ? ... is that you ???
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:04 PM
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29. It is laughable that an 'Official' would offer their apology that it was the 'drugs talking' ...
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 08:05 PM by Trajan
Gee ... how charitable ....

A fucking SNIPER rifle in their possession ... AFTER discussing assassinating Obama openly ....

And ? ... That was the 'drugs talking' ?

Jesus Christ ....

<EDIT: Did I say laughable ? .... I meant incredibly RIDICULOUS ... >
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