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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 09:24 PM
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White House, House Judiciary Hold Secret Talks On Miers Subpoena
Source: CBS News

Even as the Bush administration appeals a recent federal court decision requiring former White House Counsel Harriet Miers to appear before the House Judiciary Committee in order to raise an executive-privilege claim, lawyers for the two sides are holding "confidential talks" about resolving the legal impasse, although those discussions have yielded little so far.

The Justice Department also accused the Judiciary Committee of improperly leaking details of those negotiations.

In court documents filed on Friday, lawyers for the Judiciary Committee accused the White House of stalling rather than complying with U.S. District Judge John Bates’ July 31 decision ordering Miers to appear before the panel, as required by the committee’s subpoena. The Judiciary Committee is investigating the White House’s role in the U.S. attorney firing scandal and wants to quiz Miers about the prosecutor purge, including her role in the firings. The White House has refused to allow Miers to appear before the panel, or to turn over internal White House documents relating to the issue, citing executive privilege, but Bates ruled Miers must at least show up in order to raise an executive-privilege claim. The Justice Department is appealing Bates’ ruling and has asked the judge for a stay in the case to allow the appeal to move forward before Miers is once again called before the committee.
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Mincberg added, however, that Emmet Flood, special counsel to President Bush, “indicated that, at some point in the future, the White House intended to move off the negotiating position it has held since March 2007.” The White House has refused to make Miers or other senior Bush aides, including former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, available to testify unless they can do so behind closed doors and without any transcript being kept. Both the House and Senate Judiciary committees refused to agree to that demand, but only the House panel sued the White House over the matter.


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/25/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4382168.shtml



What about Rove's contempt charges? I am so angry that there is basically nothing...nada...no action......wtf.....

It is really hard for me to be the cheerleader for this group (even if they are the best bet).

Damn it...haul Miers ass in front of the Committee and fucking arrest Rove.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 09:27 PM
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1. And waterboard them. It ain't torture.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:00 PM
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6. Yes they should
Waterboard them. LOL!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 09:30 PM
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2. Query: How Does One "Properly" Leak Details of Negotiations?
"...The Justice Department also accused the Judiciary Committee of improperly leaking details of those negotiations..."

Maybe we need instruction in leaking, and all our difficulties with BushCo will be magically solved...or maybe we need to speak softly and use that Big Stick that we were given 200+ years ago.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting mighty tired of this nonsense. Call me when Impeachment is on the table.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 09:39 PM
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3. When the President says "leak it" you can leak it...
just like they did on Valerie Plame. And that's okay because the Prezeldent can do whatever he wants to do. Uncle Dick told him so.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 09:53 PM
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4. At Last, the Stone Wall Cracks
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE6DA1231F932A25754C0A967958260&sec=&spon=

Published: July 11, 1991

It took more than four years to confirm a kernel of truth, but the public now knows, beyond all the fudging or evasion, that senior officials of the Central Intelligence Agency were part of the cover-up of the Iran-contra scandal. Forbidden by Congress to operate a covert supply line to the rebels in Nicaragua, C.I.A. officials lied at every opportunity to tell the truth and kept the lid on whenever Congress inquired.

Alan Fiers, the agency's former director of covert action in Central America, has blown the lid with his guilty plea to two counts of withholding information from Congress. The charge is a form of contempt of Congress, which is just what the Reagan Administration displayed with the entire project and its cover-up.

The plea, and Mr. Fiers's agreement to cooperate under a grant of immunity from Lawrence Walsh, the special prosecutor, breaks the stone wall of lies, hiding behind classified information and partisan attacks on the Office of Independent Counsel. This development should at least momentarily silence those who blame Mr. Walsh as though the crime were the cost of his investigation rather than the subversion of government.

Mr. Fiers, a career officer, committed serious offenses. He seems credible when he says he wanted to testify truthfully to members of Congress in 1986 as they got wind of the diversion of arms-for-Iranian-hostages money to illicit support of the contras. He says he was ordered to suppress the truth by his superior, Clair George, who has since retired as director of C.I.A. operations.

Mr. George has some explaining to do. So does Robert Gates, who was number two man in the agency then and now is President Bush's nominee for number one.

Contrast Mr. Fiers's behavior with that of Oliver North, who ran the Iran-contra operation from the White House and now holds himself out to be a persecuted patriot as he accepts rich speaking fees. When the scandal broke in late 1986, Mr. North shredded and smuggled out incriminating papers -- not to keep them from spies but from the F.B.I. Even so, his recent compelled testimony before a grand jury is said by some to have helped prosecutors obtain Mr. Fiers's guilty plea.

Mr. Fiers has struck a deal for leniency, but he might have chosen to stand trial on more serious charges, filed a storm of bogus "national security" secrecy claims and stalled Mr. Walsh's search for the truth. Instead he has come clean and says he has done "what I think is in the best interests of the country and not only that, what the Constitution requires of me."

How high, wide and deep will the investigation now go? No one can know for sure, but many an Iran-contra operative, high and low, has reason to wonder. And in any case, truth is served.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:35 AM
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12. I got stabbed nine times in Central America while investigating that before
Iran-Contra came out. They did a lot more than LIE to cover up their crimes!

And they killed Americans, so they can still be tried for those crimes. The cover-up continues.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:00 PM
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5. She's coming in! They're gonna deflate the bag lady!
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:10 PM
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7. The office of the president has accumulated too much power
During the past 60 years of cold war (pretend war) politics, they have knowingly stoked the fears of Americans so they could accumulate more and more power into a single office.

We need to strip the office of the president of all these BS powers they have at this point in time. Up until now nobody has abused these powers, much. But this administration has abused every power they had been given and then made up a lot more powers that they don't have and abused those too.

The president is not king and needs to stop pretending to be.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 04:34 PM
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14. yes, and he is also not a figurehead while lobbyists rule
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:13 PM
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8. What Do I Not Get?
The courts have ruled that executive privilege cannot be used here. Why is there a negotiation? Haul 'em into Congress. They're going to get pardoned by Bush, but at least they can be compelled to give truthful testimony.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:54 PM
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9. With a dem DoJ, the subpoena's will be enforced.
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:03 AM
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10. I hope you are right...
but I'm not as optimistic as you are....I've had my hopes crushed too many times during the last 8 years.


btw....what exactly is this supposed to mean?

Mincberg added, however, that Emmet Flood, special counsel to President Bush, “indicated that, at some point in the future, the White House intended to move off the negotiating position it has held since March 2007.”

Yeah, why would they? Court orders don't seem to matter. Strongly worded letters don't matter. Why would they "move off the negotiating position"?
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:14 AM
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11. Attempt to tidy things up before the change of state?
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 12:14 AM by smiley_glad_hands
I have to say though that there is no way the an Obama DoJ does not enforce a dem congressional subpoena/contempt citation, it would be political suicide. There may be negotiations, but it will happen.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 03:12 PM
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13. meh, all things remain the same. nt
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