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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:13 PM
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Texas Mural of Nude Eve Draws Criticism
Texas Mural of Nude Eve Draws Criticism

PILOT POINT, Texas (AP)--People here aren't upset about what's inside a local art gallery. It's what's painted outside: a mural of a nude Eve.

Police gave gallery owner Wes Miller until Aug. 20 to change the wall mural, saying it violated state law against distributing ``harmful material'' to a minor. Otherwise, Miller will face criminal charges.

Miller said he'll go along with the change, though he doesn't see anything wrong with the picture, which depicts a reclining Eve, her pelvic region obscured in shadow, as a large hand points to the forbidden apple.

``I think of it as art on an art gallery wall,'' said Miller who has owned Farmers and Merchants Art Gallery for 28 years in this North Texas town.

more....................

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/ap/ap_story.html/National/AP.V5209.AP-Mural-Nude.html
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:14 PM
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1. Good Grief!
n/t
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:19 PM
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2. Yes, yes...cover that woman up...
we can't have good Christians remembering that God made us nude and that he was angry when Adam and Eve put clothes on.
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:20 PM
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3. Give those nymphs some hooters!
Doonesbury punch line.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:21 PM
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4. let's replace it with the Saddam sons pictures!
that's much less offensive and harmful to minors, no?

I'm astounded, daily, by the number of MEN out there who are offended by a nude woman...

c'mon, freeper males!! Do you REALLY want these people speaking for you????

:eyes:
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:23 PM
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5. Agreed.
Enraptured of? Yes. Entirely appreciateive of? Definately. Offended by? Why in the hell would I be offended by a thing of beauty?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:28 PM
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8. breast-feeding should be a felony....
by their reasoning...


:eyes:


I just don't GET IT!!!!

help me freepers!!!
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:13 PM
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24. I think part of it that...
...breast feeding dosn't give them that nice comfortable zone that lets them denigh that we are simply animals. Not all that removed from those living in the wild.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:14 AM
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36. Your first mistake was calling them men.
God forbid they should see a better looking woman than that fat pig of a wife of theirs.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:26 PM
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6. Wait wait wait wait
Edited on Fri Jul-25-03 03:27 PM by Heddi
Okay---

Fundies across the country are crying about the satanization of our Christian Nation.

They're putting up the 10 commandments on anything that stands still for more than 8 seconds.

They decry the loss of God in community.

Sooo---

A business owner decides to use a VERY biblical figure (eve) in a VERY biblical way (pointing to the apple)....so you'd think the Fundies would be HAPPY about this---hey! This is a business owner doing the right thing, right?

Wrong!

Her boobies are showing---that makes it Bad, and Dangerous and Satanist and Obscene and Pornographic.....uh, wasn't that how she was made---Do they not remember the whole 'naked before God" part of that story? :wtf:

It's not like Eve has a dildo in her hand, or something....good lord!

I believe in God, but these people scare me in their puritancial inconsistencies.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:27 PM
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7. Nude women are disgusting?
Where does Texas dig up these idiots? Must be Ashcough's kinfolk.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:32 PM
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12. There must be a factory somewhere in texas that manufacturs them.

Of course, we have the prototype in DC.
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Tims Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:41 PM
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14. Texas digs them up
and plants them in the northern suburbs of Dallas. No one would blink an eye here in Houston (or in Austin or San Antonio). The area north of Dallas has to have the greatest concentration of middle class white christian blue nosed prudes in the country. These people will take offense at anything.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:50 PM
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19. A little North of Houston
You'll find some of these people. A statue of David at the Portifino center off I-45 had a fig leaf cemeted to it.

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:28 PM
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9. Good thing it wasn't...
that statue of David with his sack hanging there for all to admire.

I seem to remember that AT&T's Golden Boy had no pants on, either.

And a trip to the Metropolitan or National Gallery would give your average ingorant prude a heart attack. Good thing they hate Europe, or they would surely die with what's on the streets and in the museums there.

But, if Justice's tits can cause an Attorney Genreal to faint, I suppose nothing should surprise us.



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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:48 PM
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17. MUSHCROFT'S BRAIN STOPS WHEN HE SEES A NUDE NIPPLE
No longer will the attorney general be photographed in front of two partially nude statues in the Great Hall of the Department of Justice.

The department spent $8,000 on blue drapes that hide the two giant, aluminum art deco statues, said spokesman Shane Hix. For aesthetic reasons, he said, the drapes were occasionally hung in front of the statues before formal events. The department used to rent the drapes, but has now purchased them and left them hanging.

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm7180_20020129.htm

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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:20 PM
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25. Whilst living in Germany...
...there was a beer ad, posted all over Frankfurt, of a very large breasted mermaid. Real woman dressed up as a mermaid. I think the gist of the ad was that even the mermaid wouldn't distract you from their beer. My German wasn't that good then, and the ad was gone by the time it was.

God I miss Europe some days.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 05:58 PM
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31. But when there was a poster with a three breasted nude
it was removed, since some feminist groups were complaining.
The claim of the ad was "Many times there's more in it than one would believe"

They got even more attention with the protests and media covering of it than with the campaign.


Here's a link with a small picture of the ad: http://www.fatnews.de/autor/news/kategorie_id/3b025ba5d6ec0/artikel_id/3c2f37ff24a17/layout/1/Drei-Brueste-auf-einmal-Das-geht-nun-wirklich-nicht/Drei-Brueste-auf-einmal-Das-geht-nun-wirklich-nicht.html
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:28 PM
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10. Is there any way to see a picture of this?
I clicked on the article hoping it would have a picture of the mural---

If this is just Eve a la "the birth of venus" with some boob showing, then no big deal. I have to assume that it is based on the article.

I'd just like to be sure, though!
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foole Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:56 PM
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21. from Denton Record-Chronicle
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:01 PM
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22. that's ALL THERE IS?????
:wtf:


I would think the fun-dies would LOVE God pointing that finger at her like that... hell, Adam is blamelessly absent..
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:03 PM
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23. I got it now...

Anthrax was the model. No wonder they're upset about it.

(And that hand looks kinda Black...)

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:22 PM
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26. What the hell?!? That's nothing!
That's less explicit (because it's so obsure, and will go unnoticed) than the Ashcroft statue!
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:30 PM
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27. This thing is what? 40 ft in the air?
Jesus fucking christ! And I thought the "Heaven-o" crowd in Texas was warped.
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:22 AM
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38. This gives "View All" a whole new meaning.
I thought when I clicked on "View All" I would see a pic.

:evilgrin:
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:31 PM
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11. My mom caught me with...
An illustrated Bible once. But I told her I only bought it for the articles...
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:40 PM
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13. I wonder who the hell
they think was Eve's dressmaker?

Ralph Lauren?

Dior?

hints anyone?
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:44 PM
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15. Well, we know it wasn't ...
Donna KORAN....
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LiberalTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:47 PM
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16. More Republican contradictions
City Council member Jay Melugin called the mural disgusting.

``I just don't like my children seeing it,'' he said.

*************************************************************


Yes, but I bet his kids saw pictures of Uday and Qusay yesterday hot off the press.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:37 AM
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42. His kids are what, 30 and 35 years old?
And I'll bet they never go to that part of town...

Hey, Melugin, have the god-damn BALLS to stand up for your OWN prudishness instead of sloughing the blame off on your kids!

"It's for THE CHILDREN!!!"

Be VERY afraid when you hear that.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:02 AM
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46. Bet he is also part of the "property rights" crowd
where any community planning related to development is fought at all costs.

I could be wrong... but I wouldn't be surprised...
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midnitemoleman Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:49 PM
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18. Oh how their deeds will be judged, just as they did others.
Me thinks the man upstairs must not be happy!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:55 PM
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20. What was Eve doing before she turned
to grasp the Apple?

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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:45 PM
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28. That's nothing. Look what's been erected in Salzburg
Huge erection causes blushes on the eve of Royal visit



A giant statue of a naked man with a two-foot erection has caused a row in Salzburg after it was unveiled on the eve of a visit by Prince Charles.

Salzburg's mayor Heinz Schaden said he was horrified when he realised what the artwork comprised.

He said it would be impossible for Prince Charles to avoid seeing the figure when he arrives in the city and wants it taken down immediately.

(snip)

Called Arc de Triomphe, the statue by artists Ali Janka, Wolfgang Gantner, Tobias Urban and Florian Reither shows a naked man bending over backwards with his hands on the ground and a two-foot erection thrusting into the sky.

The statue was described as a tribute to Viagra and was unveiled in front of the Rupertinum Modern Art Gallery, one day before Charles was due to fly in for a visit to the Salzburg Festival.

more…
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_803199.html?menu=news.quirkies
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:48 PM
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29. That's funny!!! I'd love to see Prince Charles' face when he sees it.eom
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:31 AM
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44. Nice socks! nt
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It was not a pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 05:36 PM
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30. We Europeans think American's bizaar
You know, a graphically violent film gets a 16 rating but put a tit and a bit of pubic hair in there and it's for 18+

Wierd, and pretty sick I'm sorry to say :(
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 08:36 PM
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33. Yeah, we're pretty screwed up.
I remember my aunt and uncle cutting short dinner with friends when the found out there was *gasp* a nude scene in Titanic and they did not want their daughter and her boyfriend at home alone after seeing it.

I think it was on Rosanne's show that summed it up best:

Daughter: Mom, we're going to see an R rated movie.
Roseanne: The hell you are!
Daughter: Don't worry it's for violence not sex
Roseanne: Oh, OK, have fun.

And I can't forget the cultural phenomenon that is the slasher movie: pretty girl gets stabbed, hacked up, or some other gruesome fate.

How I would love to go to a land of sanity.
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 05:59 PM
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32. How 'bout an artistic rendering of Saddams Shot up Sons
to commemmorate the U.S. Liberation of Iraq instead. After all Texas is our Commander in Chiefs home state.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:46 PM
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34. Think of how horrendous their sexual lives must be!
No wonder they are filled to the brim with hate. Taliban wannabes.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:49 PM
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35. LOL! I drive through Pilot Point on the way to the farm!
It's a typical little conservative Texas rural town. I'll have to go check out the Mural.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:20 AM
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37. Adam is naked on the fresco in the Sistine Chapel in Rome
Should we cover that up too?

Creation of Adam:



Creation of Eve:

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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:17 AM
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41. It *was* covered for over 400 years
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 03:18 AM by Paschall
<snip> In the years of the Counter Reformation controversy raged over the (Last) Judgment (which forms one end of the Sistine Chapel), until the decision was taken, on January 21, 1564, to cover up the "obscenities," so out of keeping with the "decency" required by such an official and symbolic location as the Sistine Chapel, with "breeches" and veils. The task was given to Daniel da Volterra, who was ever afterward known as "il Braghettone," the breeches-maker. Michelangelo died less than a month later.

Perhaps he could have been spared this humiliation. A belated but significant reparation has now been made: in the recent restoration various repaintings and many of the subsequent coverings have been removed, restoring to Michelangelo's figures their tragic and lofty integrity. </snip>

Source Italy Daily

"It seems that Michelangelo, in his own way, allowed himself to be guided by the evocative words of the Book of Genesis which, as regards the creation of the human being, male and female, reveals: "The man and his wife were both naked, yet they felt no shame" (Gn 2:25). The Sistine Chapel is precisely - if one may say so - the sanctuary of the theology of the human body."

Excerpt: HOMILY PREACHED BY THE HOLY FATHER JOHN PAUL II AT THE MASS TO CELEBRATE THE UNVEILING OF THE RESTORATIONS OF MICHELANGELO'S FRESCOS IN THE SISTINE CHAPEL, 8 April 1994
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:32 AM
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45. Perhaps penis is okay
Just don't show breasts in Denton.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:38 AM
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39. It's not like there aren't enough boobs in Texas...
...already.

;-)

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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:02 AM
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40. I like his idea about the CENSORED stripe
I think that would bring the whole issue to a point in public. If the picture is in good taste and all of her anatomy is not obvious then what is the problem. I think the problem is mostly the horny teen age boys, the same ones who look at the National Geographic. I should say the problem is the parents of these boys. Here is a bit of a shock to those moms and dads about your teen age sons, they wake up with an erection. There are a few reasons for this, most noteable is they are horny because they are awake.
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:25 AM
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49. I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked
I thought they woke up that way because they have to go to the bathroom.:evilgrin:
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 08:56 AM
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43. Fundies are afraid they will have to talk about sex to their kids
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 08:56 AM by Mountainman
If a fundie's kid saw that mural they wouldn't even think twice about it unless the kid's parents told them it was sinful. Then the kid would ask why and that would force the fundie to go where they don't want to go.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:55 AM
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47. Supression of art, Commie tactics.
Nudism is OK on TV though.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:17 AM
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48. PICS OF 2 GUYS W/BRAINS BLOWN OUT BETTER??
These people are DERANGED, PSYCHOPATHIC MOTHER FUCKERS

(I know of no other words, crude enough to describe them)
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2cents Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:45 AM
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50. compromise
paint a burqa over the face---everybody's happy
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