WP: Bush's Guard Service in Question (Shirked Duty in '72)

[Beetwasher]

Bush's Guard Service In Question
Democrats Say President Shirked His Duty in 1972
By Lois Romano
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 3, 2004; Page A08

In recent days, a one-year gap in President Bush's Texas Air National Guard service during the height of the Vietnam War has been raised by Democrats.

--snip--

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7372-2004Feb2?language=printer

Mods: I looked and didn't see this posted. Maybe I missed something?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. well wonders will ever cease

now give this article to families with relatives in the armed forces
and ask them plainly, will their SO be able to shirk duty this way and still get an Honorable Discharge? It is good to be the son of a US Congressman (Bush Sr at the time) who is well connected to the national Security establishment... hell daddy got him a choice assigment with the Guard and the boy could not just show for all drills?

I am sure daddy was annoyed, but could not let junior go to teh brig for 20, for desertion. I wonder how many favors dad pulled on that one?

[KansDem]

5. Actually, George the Elected was in Congress in the 1960s...

However, he Was US Ambassador to the UN and head of the RNC during George the Unelected's AWOL days...

After a couple of terms as a Congressman from Texas, Bush was appointed Ambassador to the United Nations by President Richard M. Nixon. Afterwards Nixon appointed him chairman of the Republican National Committee. So Bush spent Watergate as head of the Republican party...
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-hw-bush/

But still, influential positions...

[joeunderdog]

52. Good article here says it all.

http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/3671

[RobertSeattle]

2. RW Defense: Blame Clinton

They are already going into overdrive to deflect this onto Clinton with the old ROTC/Draft issue.

[underpants]

4. W can't stand on his own they HAVE to say "but what about Clinton??"

or "Clinton did worser" or "clinton said so too". Wussies.

[zbdent]

12. But, by their own admission, "they're better than us"

So, according to their logic, they should be able to stand up to STRICTER SCRUTINY THAN WHAT CLINTON HAD TO ENDURE, not more lenient.

[underpants]

23. How about ANY scrutiny?

Uh-oh apparently not only is some coming it is coming like rain

WMD?
Falling poll numbers
35% more on the Medicare bill
now the AWOL question.

They might have to start putting in some overtime just to hold the dam together.

Look out here it comes.

[yellowcanine]

48. Janet Jackson's Bare Boob! Bill Clinton's crooked penis!

John Kerry used botox on his face!

[Zero Gravitas]

50. Clinton No Longer In Office

Washington DC (AP) - Un-named government sources claim that Bill Clinton is no longer the US President. According to these sources Clinton was replaced in January 2001 by George W. Bush, a feckless aristocrat from Connecticut and Maine, last known address Austin, Texas. Angry white conservative males all over the country reacted to the news with skepticism and anger. "who can I blame for my recent loss of my job" raged I. M. Anidiot of Tuscaloosa FL.

(more)

Earth to freeper morans: Clinton no longer President! GET OVER IT!

[TacticalPeek]

55. RROOFFLLMMAAOO!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

3. Globe headline: Kerry calls on Bush to settle questions on military record

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/02/03/kerry_calls_on_bush_to_settle_questions_on_military_record/

[Fovea]

6. oww.

That will leave a mark. Between Kerry and Clark, this is a really bad thing for * to have to deal with at the moment.

I guess the wag the war strategy is not working as well as Karl said it would.

[roscoeroscoe]

16. amazes me to hear talk radio trying to gloss over this one

the contortions and propaganda tricks are being rolled out to confront this are really upsetting to me. fortunate son! yech.
getting this story out and revealing bush to be a cheat and hypocrite matters. our buddies and family members are in iraq because of the mid-life bravery of a cheater like bush?!

[kimchi]

41. Hi roscoeroscoe!

Welcome to DU!

[0007]

17. Thanks NewYorkerfromMass

Why didn't Terry the cat turn up the heat in 2000 on junior. This isn't a news ya know.

As far as I'm concerned Gore was slighted and cheated in 2000 -

[WENSTJDON]

39. I'm no a big Terry fan

but in all fairness he wasn't the DNC chairman during the 2000 election. He was elected in Feb 2001. Whoever was the chairman obviously dropped the ball on this one though.

[underpants]

7. As I said two weeks ago just get this out there

he doesn't have to answer it and if he doesn't he looks worse. If he does he better have his story straight.

I know it is low and unseemly but this could be the "Gore said he invented the internet" thing for us, this of course is much more important but all you have to do is get the guys sitting at the bar to start saying,"I heard some interesting stuff about Bush's service record...." "Oh really what is that?...."

THis may not have front page legs but just get it into the discussion.

[lovedems]

8. You are right, it may not have front page legs but everyone I know is

discussing this. To the extent it is "big deal" varies, but one thing is for sure, it is one more nail in his "credibility coffin".

[underpants]

19. How can the WH keep the answer short and simple

in this article they state that he got an honorable discharge and that normally anyone who does couldn't have had any trouble while serving...okay NORMALLY people with the lowest possible passing score don't jump over 147 (or about there) other candidates while he is having lunch (2 hours if memory serves) with his father.

They are going to have to come up with a better answer. If they try to go with the "Well according to UCMJ...." not only does it stoke the fire of "Did he or didn't he serve" question most 'Murkans will tune it out as legalese and gobbiltygook and only remember the charge.

I love it.

[kskiska]

44. Not only did he jump over all those others to get in,

once in, he was quickly promoted, way before he should have been, and Poppy appeared for a nice photo-op, pinning his new bars on.

[UpInArms]

9. glad to see this is making

it into print -

my favorite link regarding this cowardly and brutal administration is:

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks%3B%20Chickenhawk%20Headquarters

[TXDemGal]

10. I just have one question

Where the F was the Post and other major "news organzations" back in 1999 and 2000 when covering this story could have helped save this country and the world from these evil shitheads in the first place?

Better late than never.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Karl Rove did all he could to

bury it, as the story made it to teh Boston Globe, and then died.

[dennis4868]

31. Where the F was the Post and other major "news organzations" back in 1999

busy going after Gore as to who invented the internet....you know the big issues of the times!

[joeunderdog]

40. The post did 2+good articles on Shrub's (alleged) state contract bribes

related to suppressing information on his Military service, how he got in, etc. Do a search on a company named GTech who does the lottery for Texas. I think Ben Bradley(?) was the Dem lobbyist/politician who had the goods on Dubya but sold out. Depositions were sealed that had damaging info.

[eablair3]

11. "In recent days ...."

yeah, this story has only been out there now for several YEARS. The alternative media expeosed it years ago. Greg Palast even wrote on it many months and a year or two ago.

It's amazing that it only picks up a little steam in the mainstream media when the Democrats start to talk about it in trying to make it a political issue. This allows the Republicans to cry "politics."

Why wasn't the media all over this years ago? Why didn't they have teams of investigative reporters digging all this up?

It's just amazing how investigative reporting seems to have come to a halt. Now, the mainstream media just reports what it is spoon fed. I guess it's cheaper that way, and allows them to save costs and expenses while increasing the bottom line. The corporate owner makes more money that way. And, along the way they just become a propaganda tool for those spoon-feeding them.

A President who is Commander-In-Cheif whose father pulled strings to get him in the National Guard in jet training jumping him over many others with much higher scores. Others are drafted and go in his place to Vietnam and some of them die. Even after that, the President was AWOL, and the matter is covered up. And, the mainstream media ignores it for all this time?

[chelsea0011]

13. Will the media downplay this story during an election year again....

Being from Boston, I have seen this story covered for years since the Boston Globe story back in 2000. For some reason the media never demands that Bush explain himself. He always says something to the effect of I did my duty obligations and then the media just lets it go. Look. He wanted a transfer to work on a Senate campaign. He was denyed. He eventually gets a transfer under a different reason. He disappears. No one sees or hears from him for a year, but it is Bush who says he was meeting his obligations. Who are we to believe...Bush or all those guardmen who can't remember him?

[calimary]

32. If he DID do his duty, this has been out a long time and we have NEVER

heard from any of his fellow Guardsmen either in Texas OR Alabama, who've come forward to vouch for him. Have we? If there was, I don't remember it. I can't recall ANYBODY coming forward to say "of COURSE he served. He was in the bed next to mine." Or - "I worked on his planes and I saw him, or he always bought me a beer after a flight or whatever." Nothing. I would have thought we'd have heard SOMETHING by now. At least to refute the Boston Globe, HOW MANY YEARS BACK? In 2000? Hasn't there been enough time to hear from ONE of those guys who shared days of service with him? Even just one?

I thought so...

edit for punctuation

[underpants]

34. From the article

He said Bush "specifically remembers" performing some of his duties in Alabama. Bartlett also provided a news clipping from 2000 quoting friends of Bush's from the Alabama Senate campaign saying they recalled Bush leaving for Guard duty on occasion.


Didn't Bush Specifically forget that he had never been to the Johnson space center in Houston?

The second part has something interesting. So they got old friends to cover his a**? Did he lie to them too and tell them he was going to duty (they don't even claim that they KNOW he went to duty) and didn't?

[jbfam4]

14. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=32760&mesg_id=32760

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. White House responds: calls it "election-year politics"

White House says questions about Bush's military service represent election-year politics

[eablair3]

20. Doesn't this little Scotty McClellan just make one want to puke?

all over him

what a little whiny lying weasel this guy is.

[papau]

21. Says Democratic Party knocks National Guard Service - AWOL is service?

This does not pass laugh test, but media reports the GOP response as if it was a reasonable way to look at the current discussion.

whores.

[underpants]

22. "These kinds of attacks have no place in politics...

"These kinds of attacks have no place in politics, and everyone should condemn them," McClellan said.

Sorry bud you all used to think there was a place in politics for this, cat's out of the bag.

[raysr]

25. Pretty hard to

blame Clinton, he's not running for anything. Besides, he got out fair and square like Rush right? Bush signed up, should've stuck it out, flunking physical for drugs or not, right?

[Fleshdancer]

27. If not in politics, then where?

McClellan didn't care when everyone scrutinized Dean for taking an x-ray to the draft board to get out of service, why does he think this is any different???

So many people made an issue out of Dean's actions saying that he benefited from being rich because he was able to get the xray in the first place, but Bush had Daddy pull strings to ensure he stay out of harm's way and then he couldn't even take the responsibility of showing up.

[underpants]

30. But the house of cards wears a cowboy hat

See he ain't rich like the rest of his family he is a cowboy see?

Gongrich and his kind started this gotcha/must WIN politics crap and they got away with it for 20 some years well guess what? The ball is now in their court.

[tlcandie]

26. If they don't want an attack then give us the facts!!!!

Nothing white-washed either!!! Either put up or shutup! I'm sick to death of this admin and all the crap that goes with it! One HUGE flush would work wonders for me while listening to the sucking sound going south into Gitmo for ALL of them!

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. But comparing OBL to Max Cleeland is kosher

this is the party of the double standard, isn't it?

[Fleshdancer]

24. Heaven forbid the media should have looked into it 4 YEARS AGO!

Better late than never and all that, but jeez!

[DemoTex]

28. Corollaries to the "shirked duty" question:

Why did Bu$h do "public service" in a Houston ghetto in the early 1970s? Was it a fit of out-of-character altruism, or a mandate from a Houston judge?

What, specifically, were the "youthful indiscretions" that Bu$h alluded to in the 2000 campaign? Were those "indiscretions" in any way connected to the public service stint in Houston? What other problems did Bu$h's alcohol and, perhaps, drug abuse cause?

Why was the Texas driving record of Junior Bu$h expunged shortly after being elected governor of Texas?

Inquiring minds want hard answers. Now is the time for those protecting Bu$h to come forward and save the republic. We cannot survive another four years of Bu$hco.

[yellowcanine]

45. Good questions - I have wondered about the public service in Houston

I think the available evidence does suggest some kind of court arrangement. When has the shrub ever shown any sign of altruism?

[grasswire]

33. all he has to do ...

...is produce his tax return for 1972-73. It will show his guard pay.

That's all he has to do to clear it up.

Heh.

[RobertSeattle]

35. Excellent Point

Or his National Guard pay stubs.

I recall when I left the service I had kept my entire stack of pay stubs. And I'm sure SOMEWHERE in the bureacracy there are pay records...if they want to find them.

[underpants]

37. If you got nothing to hide you got nothing to worry about

I believe that is the harda** conservative line about illegal searches and siezures and DWB's, right?

[woofless]

36. I was Regular Air Force during the time * was a FANG

The only guy I ever knew who quit going to Guard meetings quickly found his ass with us way down in SE Turkey pulling an 18 month tour on active duty. They don't fool around. There is NO WAY this can be spun to avoid the truth. He is a shirker who got a pass due to political connections. The fact that he was taken off flying status because he refused a flight physical is damning as well. If you do not make mandatory appointments the SP's will be knocking at the door and escort you. When you are in the military you simply do not get to pick and choose, nor should you. There was no Honor in *'s lapsed "service" and finally we have some candidates who will take it to him.

Woof

[Mountainman]

60. When I was in Nam if you did not show up for the NG you were sent to

active duty. We had a few X NGs who missed their meetings and ended up in the regular Army in Nam.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

61. * says he couldn't get a flight physical in Montgomery

yet they were giving them there in 1965 when my father was a pilot assigned to Maxwell AFB.

Besides, he could have driven to Moody AFB in Georgia, which was a pilot training base, or Pensacola NAS and gotten his physical. When I was in the Reserves in South Carolina I drove two hours from Charleston to accomplish my altitude chamber training. You don't blow off physicals or mandatory training just because it's inconvenient.

[monobrau]

38. "Democrats Say "

I'm noticing that anything negative about the dauphine is reported as being raised by "Democrats", making any accusation appear strictly political. How about "Thinking people who can actually read"?

[yellowcanine]

56. "Questions persist about Clinton's 1972 Guard Duty"

Would have been the headline if the subject had been Clinton's record.

[jansu]

42. Liberal media, of course!

When Clinton was running for President, his perfectly legal avoidance of the draft, "draft dodging" was mentioned over 14,000 times in the major news media.

When Bush II was running, his avoidance of his sworn duty to the Texas Air National Guard was mentioned 400 times. And then, always with the statement that this was untrue.

He was AWOL, for one month! But, he failed to come back and serve the rest of his time, so that makes it Desertion! Actually, the military code states, that if you leave your post, with the intent to not return, you are a Deserter after ONE DAY.

Mr. Bush, release your military records! The un-scrubbed ones!

[yellowcanine]

43. Course it was buried inside-had this been Clinton

It would have been Front and Center above the fold. With the sorriest picture of Bill they could find.

[justsam]

46. it's amazing that Senator John

McCain can still deny that he has never saw Bushs record and that he still believes Bush done his duty.. being Lloyal to your party is one thing, but to make such statements to millions of people is just being a blind fool..

[zwan75]

47. NY Times looked at this in 2000

Tuesday, Feb. 3, 2004 1:04 p.m. EST
Kerry Plays Dumb on Truth About Bush's Guard Service

Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry lent credence on Monday to the Democratic Party urban legend that President Bush went AWOL from the National Guard in the early 1970s - despite several prominently published reports showing the charge to be completely baseless.

Speaking to the Boston Globe, Kerry pretended to be completely ignorant of investigations by the New York Times and George Magazine, probes that removed all doubts that Bush's Guard service was full and complete - saying instead that the issue was "a question that I think remains open."

Though his campaign has been focusing on the bogus Bush AWOL charges since last Thursday, Kerry insisted five days later that he still hadn't been able to learn "the facts."

"I don't even know what the facts are," the top Democrat told the Globe. But in the next breath he added, "I think it's up to the president and the military to answer those questions.''

In fact, the president and the military have already answered "those questions" - as Kerry, his fellow Democrats and "journalists" currently spreading this falsehood undoubtedly know.

The New York Times, for instance, ran several reports clearing up the so-called "mystery" just before the 2000 presidential election - in each case exposing the AWOL allegation as false.

In a July 2000 report, the Times said that documents obtained from the National Guard corroborated claims by the Bush campaign that the then-candidate had taken a leave of absence in late 1972 to work on a Republican Senate campaign in Alabama - but later made up the time, as permitted under Guard regulations.

"Guard records," the Times concluded, "show
The paper also noted that a key Bush accuser had begun to waiver on his allegation that Bush had missed service:

"Questions about Mr. Bush's military service arose in May," the paper reported, "when The Boston Globe quoted Mr. Turnipseed, who retired as a general, as saying Mr. Bush never appeared for duty (with his Alabama Guard unit, where Bush had transferred temporarily).

However, the Times said, "in a recent interview, the general took a tiny step back, saying, 'I don't think he did, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. I think I would have remembered him.'"

[Beetwasher]

49. Got Link?

Where is that from? Links to the NYT story supposedly showing the allegations to be false would also be nice, but I don't think they exist either ...Also, you can't post that many paragraphs it's copyright infringment, if in fact this is a real story from a reputable source, which I doubt...

[TacticalPeek]

51. I doubt you'll get a link, sorry.

Despite the crafting of header and text, this is not a NYT article.

Google only shows a newsmax link.

Its only natural the RW hopes they can scratch enough sand on this to hide the smell.

[Beetwasher]

53. I Figured as Much

I didn't think it was NYT, though it references articles in the NYT that supposedly clear these allegations up, article that I've never seen and I read the NYT pretty regularly. I thought I'd give the guy w/ one post a chance to come clean...I suspect we won't hear from him again..

[TacticalPeek]

54. Can't blame 'em for trying.

They know the Republican party could not withstand a full blown media feeding frenzy dining on Shrub's dishonorable military service.

They are saying the blood in the water is only ketchup, nothing a shark would be interested in.

This has become necessary now that the 'Bush is not food - Bush is not food' hypnosis is wearing off.

Poor things.


:evilgrin:

[democrank]

57. This is a great day for

Helen Thomas! At the very least, Bush is squirming and he`ll never know how many soldiers in Iraq have heard about this. I wish we could send this info to every person in the military. Now, let`s see how many more fake flightsuit photo ops Rove plans for Junior.

[zwan75]

58. here you go

http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=131

[Beetwasher]

59. Doesn't Resolve the Issue at all

And it's not a link to the article you posted.

"The fact is Bush was honorably discharged without ever being officially accused of desertion or being away without official leave."

Indeed, he got an HD without ever being officially accused. So what? It's obvious he got special treatment right from the start and I suspect that treatment continued and was used to cover up his AWOL status.

The facts remain the same. He dissapeared for almost a year and it's only his word that he made up the time and words of his friends and spokespeople that he did so. He can't prove he was there, otherwise he would, and if he was there, it should be easy to prove.

Pretty pathetic. If he's got nothing to hide, let him release his records.

[underpants]

62. Link above said he "gave up flying in '72", he was grounded

for not taking his physical.

Oh but it includes the "he was in the top 5% of pilots" quote.

Funny this isn't a link to the New york Times either.

[CatWoman]

64. I just get such a kick

out of using the alert button.

[TacticalPeek]

67. You and factcheck miss the point.

The fact that his 214 says 'honorable' is part and parcel of this travesty. Rather than absolve him, it deepens the stain. It represents not a symbol of service to his country, but merely a piece of paper that his daddy's influence could purchase for him. Bush's 'honorable' discharge is an insult to veterans who gave honorable service for their honorable discharge.

I worked in an ETS and Retirement shop at one point during those times, and take my word for it: if Shrub's military personnel, finance and medical records are made public, he is charcoal-burnt toast. I guaran-damn-tee it.

[Cocoa]

84. exactly right

and the fact that he wasn't charged is also not the point. No one is saying Bush was charged with being AWOL, they're saying he was AWOL.

In fact, the fact he wasn't charged raises another good question about his father's influence.

[Cocoa]

70. FactCheck has been terrible so far

that AWOL piece is a joke. There's so much irrelevant stuff about left-wing sites, and editorials criticizing Clark. And the few facts they share with us are ridiculously selective.

The fact that Drudge uses them as an authority tells us what FactCheck is really for, it's going to be spinning in Bush's favor until November.

[zwan75]

63. Look at the sources

Its sources has the new times. If you want to pay the 2.95 to look for an 2000 articles be my quest. I can get excerpts from other article that talk about it. I give you a link you couldn't read it anyways, with out paying 2.95 per an article. I'm just pointing it out. If democrats want to focus on something to beat Bush, point to the spending, which is driving conservatives nuts, as well as the immigration. The more he goes away from his core base the more of them won't show up to vote for him in November. Just like what happen to his dad.

[Beetwasher]

65. NYT Quote

"But a review of records by The New York Times indicated that some of those concerns (about Bush’s absence) may be unfounded . . . . A review by The Times showed that after a seven-month gap, he appeared for duty in late November 1972 at least through July 1973."

Notice their use of the word "some" as in not all of the concerns are unfounded and the use of the word "may" in regards to being unfounded. In other words, ALL the concerns may still in fact be valid. Also, there was still that unexplainable 7 month gap and only Bush's word that he made up the time. The NYT article clears nothing up and in no way exonerates Bush the way you would like it to.

Where's the link to the original article you posted? This is my 3rd request.

What a pathetic attempt on your part to exhort the Dems to ignore this damaging story. Too bad, it's too late. Ha Ha!

[nwstrn]

68. NYTimes also said this:

Mr. Bush was in the Air National Guard in Texas from 1972 to 1973, but he did not appear for duty from May to November 1972, when he was working as the campaign manager for Winton M. Blount, a Republican Senate candidate in Alabama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/01/politics/campaign/01CND-CAMP.html

Poor freepers! After criticizing Clinton's Vietnam record for so many years, it must be tough to comprehend that YOUR president is a liar, who left his post during a war.

[Beetwasher]

66. YAHOO: WH Denies Bush Was Military Deserter

Bwhahahahahahahaha! I love it when assholes get into defensive spin mode! Nobody believes a word they say anymore!

Unless the Chimp releases his records, this is fair game for the whole year!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=1&u=/afp/us_vote_bush_military

[CatWoman]

69. *snarf* -- look at the pic on that page

Is he praying that all this will go away?

And over on the left, look at Powell:



"Man, I don't know nutin about nutin!!"

[zwan75]

71. RE:

I've read you website more. Its more interesting. Free republic i find boring. Question for you guys. When you hear the name Jane Fonda what do you think of. I'm just curious.

[Beetwasher]

76. How Pathetic

Jane Fonda? Is that supposed to mean something? Does she represent the Dem. party?

I think of Cat Ballou...:shrug:

Now answer this, what do you think of the fact that Bin Laden's family was allowed to leave the country right after 9/11?

Or this, there's a traitor or traitors high up in this admin. who blew the cover of an undercover CIA op for political revenge.

You're ok with that?

[underpants]

77. I think she doesn't have anything to do with W's military record

I also think her name, like Ted Kennedy's, automatically generates several thousand dollars of fund raising for the Republicans.

I don't agree with what she did but she has the freedom to do it. She didn't fail to show up for any military service that she volunteered for and she didn't give aid or comfort to the enemy.

[CatWoman]

79. Exercising?

:shrug:

9 to 5? :shrug:

Ted Turner? :shrug:

Bridgette Fonda? :shrug:

Peter Fonda? :shrug:

Henry Fonda? :shrug:

[pinto]

80. Jane Fonda reminds me of Vietnam, when Bush was AWOL.....

[zwan75]

81. funny

it was something that is was on my mind that is all

[CatWoman]

82. You're being mighty transparent there, Zwan75

mighty transparent.

[zwan75]

97. what? it was a funny comment

[CatWoman]

99. I guess that can be contributed to that mysterious person called

"they" as well....................

[zwan75]

101. mysterious phone call?

That was just John Ashcrof bugging my phone.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

87. Klute

pant...pant...

[Cocoa]

92. On Golden Pond

:shrug:

[Sunny_Sunshine]

104. Jane Fonda?

Exercise! I used to feel the burn back in the 80s.

[Beetwasher]

72. Notice Also That They Are Denying that He's a "Deserter"?

They aren't denying he was AWOL though!

[zwan75]

83. Do you remeber

they used this in 2000 also

[CatWoman]

85. who is "they"

?????

[underpants]

90. "they" wrote an aritlce or mentioned this 49 whole times in 2000

http://www.uaw.org/cap/01/news/day3media.html

Wasting no time, delegate Charlie Cox from UAW Local 2162, who is a Vietnam veteran, set the tone by asking why George W. Bush got a free ride from the media regarding reports that he was AWOL during most of the time he served in the National Guard during the Vietnam war.

"Let me give you some statistics," responded panelist Paul Begala, "I worked for Bill Clinton in 1992 and …in anticipation of this very question, I looked this up on Nexis. There were 13,641 stories about Bill Clinton 'dodging the draft' …and there were 49 stories about Bush and the National Guard," Begala said.

Conceding that Bush had generally gotten a "gentle ride" during the campaign from the press, Howard Fineman drew a loud protest from the crowd when he suggested that the press wasn't as aggressive with regard to Bush because the scandals of the Clinton years had "exhausted" the press and the public.

[Beetwasher]

88. Huh? Who's they?

The press hardly touched this and Gore was too much of a gentlemen to bring it up.

The press was too fixated with the "Gore invented the internet" lie (the press lied, not Gore) and his earth tones.

[zwan75]

91. Who:

The democrats used this

[Beetwasher]

93. Really?

On what planet?

I'm sure you have something to back that nonsense up...

http://www.uaw.org/cap/01/news/day3media.html

Wasting no time, delegate Charlie Cox from UAW Local 2162, who is a Vietnam veteran, set the tone by asking why George W. Bush got a free ride from the media regarding reports that he was AWOL during most of the time he served in the National Guard during the Vietnam war.

"Let me give you some statistics," responded panelist Paul Begala, "I worked for Bill Clinton in 1992 and …in anticipation of this very question, I looked this up on Nexis. There were 13,641 stories about Bill Clinton 'dodging the draft' …and there were 49 stories about Bush and the National Guard," Begala said.

Conceding that Bush had generally gotten a "gentle ride" during the campaign from the press, Howard Fineman drew a loud protest from the crowd when he suggested that the press wasn't as aggressive with regard to Bush because the scandals of the Clinton years had "exhausted" the press and the public.

[pinto]

95. We are Democrats and we're going to expose this disaster

of a president across the board...thanks.

[zwan75]

74. One more thing

I'm just trying to have a discussion, because i love politics, if you want to call people assholes that's childish.

[Beetwasher]

78. I wasn't

calling you an asshole. That post wasn't in response to you.

I was calling people in the admin assholes. Reading comprehension...

[nwstrn]

86. How did you hear about the Democratic underground?

[zwan75]

94. RE:

moveon.org

[nwstrn]

100. If there is something wrong he should be nailed to the wall for it

"If" there is something wrong? Maybe you should spend a little more time at moveon.org. Good luck!

[pinto]

73. Ed Gillespie on CNN, stumbling to address issue,

said B*sh served in a "very dangerous area", uh, well, "flying fighter jets is very dangerous"....etc. also mentions how low it is of the Dems to bring this up....

[zwan75]

75. I agree

If there is something wrong he should be nailed to the wall for it, just like he should be critized for his spending. Nobody should drink all the cool-aid of their political party.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

89. The fact is:

There are no records of Bush at airman drills in 1972-1973 for the 8 month period in question. Bush can't prove he was there.

[TacticalPeek]

98. There are records that prove he was not there.

Military service is not an RSVP tea party.

There is now no way to avoid disclosure of his records, and/or he is toast.


:evilgrin:

[zwan75]

102. Support for?

Besides ABB who do you guys support and why?

[Beetwasher]

103. Why don't YOU answer that question?

Also, where's the link I've been asking for, the one that leads to that specious article you posted for your first post?

If that's a real article, you've broken the rules in posting so much of it and not posting a link to it...Care to address that?

[zwan75]

105. link

YOu want take it for anything i read it off of newsmax. Like i said the times article it cost 2.95 to look at it. I'm not paying for it. Sorry if i posted more than two paragraphs



http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/3/130616.shtml

[Beetwasher]

106. Figures

Newsmax indeed...

Read the rules before posting this tripe...

Now that we have that settled, who do YOU support for president and why?

[zwan75]

108. RE

i gave you other sources that have the same information. Is moveon.org bias like newsmax.com?

[Beetwasher]

110. No You Didn't

That newsmax article draws conclusions the others don't. The Factcheck article does not exonerate Bush. It merely says he got an HD and was never officially charged w/ being AWOL. That doesn't mean he wasn't AWOL. You do realize the difference don't you?

Why won't Bush release his military records? It would be very easy to prove he showed up for duty. Why was he suspended from flying? Why did he skip out on his physical? His excuse was that he couldn't get to his personal physician. That's an obvious lie. You have to use a military doctor. Uncomfortable questions that I'm sure you have no answer for. It would be nice for Bush (and you?) if they would just go away I'm sure. Ha ha!

Again, who do you support for President and why?

[zwan75]

111. Support for

Right now Bush. Even though i don't like his spending or his immagration policy. MArs think doesn't make sense. Military wise is the reason i support him and the tax cuts. The cuts didn't effect me much by the way. A big 15 bucks extra. Dean scares me, Edwards is a trail lawyer he is the other half of the class he is talking about in his speaches, but i like his view on privatising some of SS , Clark.. what can you say. He is a fish flopping all over the place on issues and Kerry, i don't trust at all. After Vietnam what has he done, married two big time millionairs, his voting records is more libral than Kenndy's. That is why i ask for reasons.

[Beetwasher]

112. Thought So

So how do you feel about high members of his admin blowing the cover of a CIA officer and him doing nothing about it?

How about lying about WMD's?

What military reasons are you talking about? He was AWOL, deal with it and now he started a war and got hundreds of members of our military killed not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqi's all based on a big lie. That's ok w/ you?

Pathetic.

[CatWoman]

113. I knew you were a bush supporter

from your very first post.

and read about your "boy"'s lies from his very own mouth: http://www2.observer.com/observer/pages/conason.asp

[pinto]

114. the reasons I feel strongly about this race:

Bushco is the most dangerous administration, domestically and internationally, that I've seen in my life (I'm 51).

Domestically, they are dismantling, by hook or by crook, the basic contracts between the state and the public that have been built over decades.

Internationally they are dismantling the basic contracts that have been built by nations over decades.

While you may be enamored of this display of "power" I am not.

Power used in the pursuit of power benefits no one.

[TacticalPeek]

107. I'm trained on that, zwan75.

See #67 above.

I've worked that slot, and am expert on ETS, and somewhat on Retirement. Consequently, I know the military personnel system, and it's bureaucratic interfaces with finance and medical systems.

Shrub is toast because if the records are disclosed, he's toast, or he prevents disclosure, he's toast. Both sides of the coin are toast.

Or, alternatively, this is the time for bribery and strong-arm, in which case he's REALLY toast.

[zwan75]

109. RE:

If he lied he should be, just like, any one in washington should be.

[Cocoa]

96. someone's got a case of the shouldas

:-)

[pinniped]

115. Pretty funny article.

"Bush was accepted for pilot training after having scored only 25 percent on the pilot's aptitude test, the lowest acceptable grade."

What a dummy, I doubt he even scored 25% on that test. If he did he cheated.

"He said Bush "specifically remembers" performing some of his duties in Alabama."

Ya and I "specifically remember" walking down the street with my pal Doc Holiday at Tombstone, AZ.:eyes:

"Bartlett also provided a news clipping from 2000 quoting friends of Bush's from the Alabama Senate campaign saying they recalled Bush leaving for Guard duty on occasion."

Well please accept my apology Mr. Chimpy. This sure puts all questions to rest.:eyes: