BBV: Rigged election called possible

[jburton]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/sv/riggedelectioncalledpossible

Rigged election called possible
Sun Feb 1, 5:47 AM ET

By Elise Ackerman, Mercury News

Could someone hack an election?

Yes, according to a report presented to the Maryland Legislature Thursday by Raba Technologies, a consulting firm. Maryland hired Raba's computer scientists to hack into its Diebold electronic voting system. The researchers found that software vulnerabilities could allow a saboteur to vote multiple times or tamper with computer code to steal an election.

"The team was able to demonstrate the ability to switch two candidates," the Raba scientists warned legislators. "Consequently, the voter appeared to vote for the candidate of his choice but he actually voted for another candidate."

System defended Nevertheless, Diebold marketing director Mark Radke claimed in an interview that the Raba researchers "found the system to be very secure." Voters, he said, can be confident their ballots will be counted correctly.


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[Terran]

1. They fail an intrusion audit and still have the nerve...

to claim everything's A-OK. The arrogance and cluelessness are simply mind-boggling. Diebold and electronic voting has to be stopped NOW before it's too late.

Give this story a FIVE, folks!

Dirk

[mzmolly]

2. Makes one wonder bout Iowa?

hmmmmmm....

[demdave]

3. What does this have to do with Iowa?????

I don't get the connection. What do you mean?

[sallyseven]

4. They stood up for their

candidate in Iowa. No ballot boxes or touch screens. No one stole Iowa.

[leesa]

13. Well, not likely seeing as how Kerry came from the bottom

Seems there was some hanky panky going on there, not including the corporate media frenzy against Dean and pro-Kerry.

[Sterling]

11. NH primary used many BBV machines.

Yes the fix is in. I just thought they would wait til the general to pull it out.

[Eric J in MN]

12. NH electronic machines have a paper trail (nt)

nt

[alittlelark]

15. Paper trails mean nothing

without open source coding. How many of you out there could write a program that wwould alter your vote/hard copy results? I could with a book and a few days. THEY can afford much better than me,

[Eloriel]

17. Paper trails mean nothing until THEY are counted instead of

the "electronic vote."

They're just nice to have, as opposed to touchscreens which provide nothing in the way of truly auditable hardcopy.

[progressivebydesign]

14. A DUer had an interesting statistic on NH and computer voting.

He or she had researched and posted statistics from NH that showed the precincts with computer voting went to Kerry in great numbers.. punch cards or non-computer methods went mostly to Dean. Just a thought to ponder...

I keep thinking.. This is a test, this is only a test... etc.

[Lorien]

39. As always, so many jump on the bandwagon

still thinking they are immune to the sway of corporate media, and fully trusting that "their" candidate is pure enough to remain unscathed.I wish one of ours could be that "pure", but the media will, without a doubt, unleash the dogs of war as soon as the nominee is crowned.

The DLC will not allow for an outsider to be a true frontrunner. The establishment does exist.:tinfoilhat:

[mrdmk]

5. Iowa did have a computer network

but I believe it had nothing to do with Diebold. This is going to be an ongoing issue of frustration. Once again I write to congress to pass HR 2239.

[demdave]

6. There were no ballots cast in Iowa.

Shiow me a link that mentions the use of a computer in the caucus system.

[leQ]

9. they phoned in the results after writing them on paper

headcounts are determined by the precinct captains then relayed to the precinct chair to be called in, aren't they? i remember seeing adair county having a problem getting through on cspan.

again, the caucus were created back in the day when nobody worked after 6. not a very representative system imho.

but electronic voting without a paper trail on a patented system is nothing less than unacceptable. hopefully maryland will wake the rest of the country up.

[mrdmk]

10. I needed to be more clear

<snip>
If the name of the caucus participant does not appear on the computer printout, that participant must complete a voter registration form. The temporary caucus secretary or a designated volunteer should complete the New Democratic Voter Registration Record at the
end of the Caucus Registration Form for each caucus participant whose name does not appear on the official list of registered Democratic voters.
<snip>

http://www.caucus2004.org/filemgmt_data/files/2004presidential.precinct.caucus.pdf

<snip>
How do I do this?
In less than 10 easy steps:
1. Dial 1-800-397-6016.
2. Follow voice prompts and enter your access code.
3. After gaining access to the system, you will be prompted to confirm the precinct you are calling from.
4. After confirming that your precinct is correct, you will be prompted to enter the number of attendees at your Caucus.
a. This will be the number of eligible attendees present when you announced the Viability Threshold before preference groups formed.
5. After you enter the attendance number, you will be prompted to confirm that number and then you will move on to the delegate apportionment reporting.
6. You will be prompted to enter a candidate’s code according to the codes and instructions you will have on your Precinct Chair Credentials.
7. After you enter and confirm a candidate code, you will be prompted to enter the number of delegates apportioned to that candidate’s preference group.
a. The Reporting system will keep a running total of the number of delegates you enter for accuracy.
8. After you repeat this process and have entered all delegates apportioned to each viable preference group, the Reporting system will repeat the results back to you for one last accuracy check.
9. After you confirm this final accuracy check, you will be finished reporting.

**It is extremely important that you report your Caucus results as soon as Delegates have been apportioned and signed off on. If not, Statewide Caucus Results could be delayed, and Iowa’s First in the Nation status will be jeopardized.

Paid for and Produced In-House by the Iowa Democratic Party 8
<snip>

http://www.caucus2004.org/filemgmt_data/files/caucus.caucustrainingagenda.pdf

Here the home page link
http://www.caucus2004.org/

Apparently one punches numbers into a telephone and a computer records the responces.

The reason I knew they were using computers to record the votes was when they were interviewing the caucus chairman or somebody like him and he said the computer network that the twenty year old kids set-up worked perfectly.

on edit: there is a papertrail

[bearfan454]

19. Watch how quick they kill this story.

They know we are aware of what they're doing. This story won't get a lot of press. I saw it on Yahoo news a few days ago.

[Eloriel]

18. If anyone thinks only Diebold is at risk or vulnerable or

fraud-prone, think again. You got computerization? You got a problem. Period.

[bearfan454]

21. Very good point.

They are probably pissed off because we are even making an issue about it. Us, and people like Bev Harris will continue to fight them every step of the way. Just because they have a lot of money doesn't mean they are going to get what they want every time on every issue.

I know you know about this already Eloriel, but for any new people.

http://www.blackboxvoting.com

http://www.blackboxvoting.org

[POed_Ex_Repub]

7. Anything without a paper trail is vulnerable.

They didn't need to waste money on a study, any programmer can tell you that. There is no such thing as a safe system PERIOD.

[Eric J in MN]

8. When you see an article like this which discusses BBV but not

When you see an article like this which discusses BBV but not The Voter Confidence Act, HR 2239, please email the reporter and/or send a letter-to-the-editor,
and ask that The Voter Confidence Act be mentioned in the future so that concerned citizens have a way to participate in democracy by expressing an opinion to Congress for or against.

There is information on The Voter Confidence Act at:
www.verifiedvoting.com

[bullimiami]

16. fix is in. evidence it already has been....

there is some pretty suspicious activity suggesting that the diebold fix was in in max clelands surprise defeat in georgia.
among others.

the evidence is out there.

blackboxvoting.com is a good place to start reading.

andy
miami

[colonel odis]

20. maybe everyone should vote absentee or write-in

also, there is speculation that the vote totals were manipulated in alabama's gubernatorial election last year.

[alittlelark]

27. I am, so are most members of my family and my friends

Leaning right or left, once a person is confronted with the FACTS of this BBV voting cabal they are deeply disturbed. The San Jose Mercury News has been keeping the issue alive and kickin', but where are the other news sources???

[leftchick]

22. not only possible.....

Probable!

[Zan_of_Texas]

23. BBV Meeting in Houston features two national experts Feb 25

Hey, spread this around to your friends in the Houston area.

Lecture - Technology, Society & Public Policy Lecture Series
Computer and Information Technology Institute

The battle for accountable voting systems

David Dill
Professor of Computer Science from Stanford University

Wednesday, February 25, 2004
Time: 4:00 PM
Duncan Hall McMurtry Auditorium
Rice University
6100 Main Street
Houston, Texas, USA

Also on the panel -- Dan Wallach, who was one of the four investigators on the first team to look at the Diebold software (Hopkins report)

http://dacnet.rice.edu/depts/citi/

THIS IS A LONG LINK here's the rest citi /calendar/index.cfm?EventRecord=4012&TimeFrame=61

Campus map: http://www.rice.edu/maps/bwmap.pdf

[Sterling]

24. This is the biggest thing on this board

:kick:

[leftchick]

25. Agreed...

:kick:

[Lorien]

38. Yep. issue #1

unless we face facts that the opposition is RUTHLESS and will stop at NOTHING to take all, then we're finished before we even begin.

[Unforgiven]

26. Please Kick This Thread!

Thanks! We all need to realize that this is the most important issue facing our country today.

[Matilda]

28. Kick!

[hunter]

29. Let your state and local election officials know you.

Make them very nervous about these machines.

:kick:

[leftchick]

30. kick

:kick:

[Mari333]

31. I did that yesterday

My county clerk is reading the BBV site as we speak..wanted her to get the full 9 yards...told her..she sounded REALLY shocked..small township here but important nonetheless..
and yes, they are about to get computerized machines here.......

[Fleshdancer]

32. hack every machine and force the vote count to read zero

Really. This is the only way people are going to wake up to this problem. Hack it for the sole purpose of showing just how easy it is and how stupid we are for using the machines in the first place.

[Unforgiven]

33. Or

maybe it's time WE select OUR own, through BBV! Waadya think, eh? ;)

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

35. put a fix on the fix!!

like robbing the robber who just robbed the bank !!!
gotta LOVE IT !!!

[NYCat]

34. KICK!

[foo_bar]

36. good on them

for getting some press. If we taught civics and computer science the way we teach basketball, people could take one look at Diebold's white papers and know they're a complete crock. I think Bob Dole has to croak before this happens, if there's any truth to Exodus.

"The Internet is a great way to get on the 'net."
- Bob Dole

[Lorien]

37. "Rigged election called probable"

would be a more accurate headline. If Kerry is the nominee, will he address this problem given that his response to the election theft of 2000 was "Just get over it"? :grr:

[mrdmk]

40. We are going to kick this for the Thursday crowd

Call,write and/or email your Representives and Congressmen today!

[mrdmk]

41. Try to keep this from being pushed back

:kick: