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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:34 PM
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Breaking: Bush Orders Independent Probe on Iraq Intelligence
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 04:35 PM by FlashHarry
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VaLabor Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:37 PM
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1. LEAPFROG COMMISSION
So the Bush Administration is supporting an "independent" probe into the "intelligence failures" about Iraqi WMDs. Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) summed up what the scope of this probe should be in the Washington Post yesterday: "The panel, Roberts said, would have to be bipartisan and include only recognized experts whose recommendations could "leapfrog" over the current debate and quickly tackle the issue of how to fix intelligence deficiencies. "It would be helpful not only politically, but also for the nation," Roberts said." ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1723-2004Jan31.html?nav=hptop_tb )

That's right, the commission will leapfrog right over the truth...right over the most critical questions.

Am I an idiot or does something not add up here:

1. UN Weapons inspectors in Iraq last year -- did not find any WMDs. Complained about some Iraqi obstruction to certain areas -- but ultimately always gained access. At the time Bush ordered them out so that the war could commence, they said they were making progress but needed more time.
2. CIA sent numerous reports to Bush Administration. Any positive evidence of WMDs was almost invariably accompanied by a cautious caveat. But more importantly, the CIA told the Bush Administration that it's three major pillars in the case for war were simply not true or not substantiated. To wit: The CIA told Bush's people that the aluminum tubes that Bush claimed were designed for nuclear subterfuges were not designed for that (which is also what State Department experts said, as well as the IAEA); the CIA told Condi Rice and her underling that the yellowcake Niger documents were forgeries or otherwise unreliable; and the CIA told the Bush people that there was no credible evidence of a Saddam and Al Qaeda connection.
3. The Bush Administration was so frustrated by the CIA's cautionary tone on WMD evidence as well as what it perceived to be CIA mis-underestimating of the existing threat, that the Pentagon -- led by Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz -- set up its own "Office of Special Plans" -- to conduct its own evaluation of intelligence. This office ultimately read all intelligence to indicate a WMD threat. It also politicized the evidence. Its mission was to help build the case for war. The "Office of Special Plans," for instance, leaked the phony story about the aluminum tubes to the NY Times.
4. Now, we know there are no WMDs -- at least none posing any threat (if any at all).
5. The Bush Administration is under pressure to agree to an independent inquiry into the matter.
6. To control and define the inquiry, the Bush Administration is supporting it.
7. Cheney is calling key lawmakers to discuss the scope of the commission. Why the hell would a man who SHOULD BE ONE OF THE KEY PEOPLE BEING INVESTIGATED be calling up the people who would be designing the investigation???
8. The commission now, according to Pat Roberts, is going to focus on how to fix the CIA.

How to fix the CIA?

Condi Rice has told us we need to let the "Iraq Survey Group" finish its job. This is the new name for the US weapons inspectors in Iraq. This has cost us millions of dollars. A new report in the Guardian newspaper in London says that the US knew for sure there were no WMDs back in May, within weeks of the fall of Baghdad. But to cover the Bush Administration's lies, we have to keep looking for them. To cover their lies further, we now have to have a charade of a commission look at every question except the most critical one: Did the Bush Administration politicize or otherwise lie about intelligence?

Don't we remember how all the Administration's supporters were criticizing the CIA before the war? They said the CIA was not doing a good enough job back then -- because the CIA wasn't blindly supporting the evidence that the Administration claimed it had -- the CIA was so bad back then, in fact, that Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz set up their own freakin agency to trumpet the case for war.

Now the same people are saying the CIA had the intelligence all wrong to begin with. The CIA led the innocent Bush Administration to believe there was an imminent threat from Iraq's WMDs. Bad CIA! Bad!

Excuse me, that's now "Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Program Activities."

With the new Leapfrog Commission, get ready for some "Serious Bullshit to Protect Our Asses Related Program Activities."

How stupid do they think we are??? Am I in Wonderland? Is black white? Up down?

This is the growing subtext which will soon overshadow the other important investigation which is moving at a snail's pace -- the Plame Affair. In that case, the Bush Administration, for reasons of sheer political vengeance against the guy who called them on the yellowcake lie, blew the cover of a CIA agent who specialized in...WMD! Bush said he would bring honor and integrity back to the White House. But when this story broke he said, sadly, that we may never know who leaked Plame's identity to Robert Novak. If I was the president, I'd find out pretty damn quick. You call everyone into the Oval Office and tell them that you want to know now, that the person who did it better fess up, etc. He never did that.

To make matters in the Plame affair even worse, the Attorney General sent a memo to White House Counsel Gonzales on a Friday explaining that, on Monday, he would be receiving a subpoena for records relating to the leak and that, on Monday, White House staff should begin preserving those records.

I find this a bit odd. NEVER NEVER NEVER do you warn the other side that a subpoena is on its way. This warning gave the White House time to destroy any damaging records before the subpoena arrived. This is NEVER the way you practice discovery or a criminal investigation. But this is precisely the way you help the other side get rid of incriminating evidence.

These are the kinds of lies and coverups that should bring down a Presidency -- Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice. Clinton was almost brought down for having affairs and lying about it. He went through an impeachment.

But Bush faces no such inquiry. There's no independent counsel. There's no impeachment. Yet the consequences of his lies dwarf the consequences of Clinton's.

US casualties in Iraq in January alone: 45 dead, 120 wounded.



From the new biography of fmr Sec of Treas Paul O'Neill:


After a moment, O'Neill interjected, "I've seen a lot of factories around the world that look a lot like this one. What makes us suspect that this one is producing chemical or biological agents for weapons?"
Tenet mentioned a few items of circumstantial evidence -- such as the round-the-clock rhythm of shipments in and out of the plant -- but said there was "no confirming intelligence" as to the materials being produced.


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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:47 PM
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14. What A Pathetic Joke
Leapfrog indeed...
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:39 PM
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27. No offense but I gotta laugh at your little Freudian slip "nuclear
subterfuge"

:D
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:37 PM
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2. I understand Lord Hutton is available.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:40 PM
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LOL
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:37 PM
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3. Is it time to jettison Cheney?
I wonder what is up the Shrub's sleeve.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:40 PM
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4. For whom? Rudy's way too liberal.
He'd be crucified by the Christian Right for choosing a pro-choice, pro-gay running mate. Nope. Unka Dick's the wizard behind the curtains in this administration.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:47 PM
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13. Bush* and his crew would feel safe with him
because they are convinced that they can keep the Christian right in line with there war on Muslim- I mean terror.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:46 PM
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10. Agnew fell before Nixon.... n/t
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:47 PM
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12. Cheney DOES the firing in the administration
It was Cheney who told O'Neill he was fired. How will he fire himself. They will probably contract out a firing service to haliburton and have someone from that services group fire Cheney.
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:53 PM
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22. Well, remember, he selected himself as V.P. eom
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:57 PM
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19. Shrub has NOTHING up his sleeve
Shrub is NAKED. No clothes.
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VaLabor Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:42 PM
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5. To report NEXT YEAR!
from the article:

The commission is expected to be given a timeline of next year to report back, instead of this year and having the probe's results emerge as a campaign issue, as Democrat challengers attempt to derail the president's re-election bid in November.


"It is important that the work of the commission is done in a way that it doesn't become embroiled in partisan politics," a senior administration official said. "We need a commission that not only looks back but looks ahead at ways we can improve our intelligence-gathering to meet the new and dangerous threats we face today."



You gotta be kidding me.

I tell you where this Commission should focus immediately: THE ACTIVITIES OF THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:43 PM
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6. Cheney's whitewash commission
Wasn't he calling his buddies in Congress last week to put the fix in???

Until we have a Democratic Congress and WH, the truth will not be revealed.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:44 PM
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7. Yawn....
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Give it up you fucking fraud.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:45 PM
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8. Didn't they JUST say yesterday that there was no need for one?
The chocoloate ration has been increased to 20 grams a week!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:45 PM
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9. Admin "orders" report back next year, i.e. after election.
Nah, won't fly.
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BigBadDaddy-O Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:46 PM
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11. The want to do it before Congress and the Senate change back to Dem's
How much you want to bet?
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:48 PM
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15. Just like he OKed
the 9/11 commission, & has been stonewalling & trying to run out the clock.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:51 PM
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16. my understanding of the situation
Kay and other bush butt-kissers are pointing the fingers at a failure by the intelligence community

the intelligence community is saying that the information provided was not influenced by Cheney and others

meanwhile...according to various talking heads the spin is that the information was lacking and old

sooooooooooooooooooooo if the information was lacking and old, and it was not 'tailored' or influenced ---- then who in the white house cherry-picked through the information to justify invading another country?

I'm sure bush didn't do it personally -- he would have been bored as hell doing that... so who pulled his strings?
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:52 PM
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17. We had a chance to nail Bush when Democrats controlled the Senate
Bush Daschle was too much of a coward to do anything! Who knows how long it will be before we have another chance like that.
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45th Med Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:54 PM
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18. HELLO MCFLY! Don't you think you should have investigated BEFORE.....
starting a war???? What a bonehead!
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UCLA02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:25 PM
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20. Foxnews.com using AP story...
Refers to this being an investigation similar to the Warren Commission that determined that Oswald acted alone. Sheesh...

I expect similar credibility with this one, as well.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:46 PM
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21. Exactly the same as the British situation
Bush is ordering it to report next year (after the election, as many above in the thread have noted).

That means from now until the election, any WMD questions from the Democrats will be off the table. The response will be:

"Wait for the bi-partisan WMD report!".

To any questions, on any topic to do with WMD (and perhaps Iraq).

The Dems would have to be insane to agree to this.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:10 PM
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23. I agree. No one in their right mind should agree to those time lines.
What a set-up.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:13 PM
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24. CHECK !
:D keep up the pressure .
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:16 PM
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25. Should'nt Bush be put "under oath" before we do anything?
At least that's how it used to work in the 90's...
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:33 PM
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26. bush gets to appoint the "independent commission"
what a hoot - and they have until 2005 - another whitewash like the 9/11 commission.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:49 PM
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28. If AHOLE monkeyboy is for it there's something up his sleeves...
As we all know, expect blame to fall far away from the asshole in chief. Monkeyboy was a victim of bad intelligence.:puke: Makes me sick to end seeing that asswipes BS innocent look on his putrid mug.

Can anything be done to stop this madman?
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Snappy Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:56 PM
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29. Dems weak
If the Dems let this stand then they have no spine and will be part of the coverup. It seems that most of them don't want the truth to emerge because it will show that they were and are part of rush to war sans just cause. Most of them now claim that they were duped by the intell. Can we believe that the ones on the Intell Commitee were ignorant of the facts?
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:05 PM
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30. How bizzare is it that bush
gets to appoint an 'independent' council to investigate his screw-up. There they go again-controlling the news, the investigation and the results. Suprised anyone???

"He also said that an independent review could also have a political benefit for Republicans by providing a forum for them to attack Democrats for shortchanging intelligence in previous years, an emerging Republican theme against Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts in particular."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/01/international/middleeast/01CND-INTE.html


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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:19 PM
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32. Anti-democracy tactics at work, again,...
,...smoke the truth,...divert from the facts,....control which voices are heard,...brainwash the people throught the media,...

If these tactics, taken in total, do not amount to a form of fascism, I do not know what actions are fascist.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:08 PM
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31. Data from a bipartisan independent commission might just confuse voters.
It's best that no reports are published until after the election.

Sheesh.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:03 PM
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33. dupe
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