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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:45 AM
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Racing the Clock in Iraq (Newsweek)
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4121960/

excerpt:

As a result, Bremer may have the toughest job in the world right now. Consider: the fabled MacArthur, the "American Caesar," took seven years to remake Japan. John McCloy, the High Commissioner who reconstituted post-Hitler Germany, took three years, coming on top of four years of military rule. Bremer has just five months to go. And whereas Japan was already unified, Bremer is trying to build a new Iraq by abruptly reversing the divide-and-rule course that Saddam brutally pursued for 35 years. He must meld together fractious Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds in a backward economy with a jobless rate still at 30 to 40 percent (about half what it was after the war, by Bremer's latest estimate), and in a region of the world where bordering nations, like Iran and Syria, are constantly interfering. Henry Kissinger, who's made diplomatic history himself, says the task his onetime protege is engaged in (Bremer was his chief of staff and managed his firm, Kissinger Associates) "is unprecedented." Bremer's job is "much harder" than MacArthur's, says Kissinger. "I can't think of many situations in which there were so many moving parts. And so many conflicting pressures that had to be resolved in so little time... Secondly, in Japan there was no challenge to legitimacy of the occupation. It was basically accepted."

<snip>

None of this was expected when Bush launched his war, saying Americans would be welcomed as liberators. Perhaps the best measure of the failure so far of the administration's grand neocon vision is that while Americans are now spending hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars on Iraq, they'll find no gratitude here. Few Iraqis can admit, even to their family or friends, that they are working for a U.S. company, much less the CPA. The reason: they would be shunned or killed. Despite Saddam's capture on Dec. 13, the insurgency persists. It is now inseparable from the occupation itself, fueled by deep resentment of Americans and their foreign and Iraqi collaborators. Just last Friday there were 35 attacks, nearly as many as occurred daily in the worst month before the capture. For Iraqis hungry for the vision Bush promised, after nearly 11 months of chaos, it's all too slow, too violent, too brutal at the hands of U.S. soldiers who can detain them arbitrarily, and often do. To correct that, Bremer is engaged in what he says is the fastest police-training program in history (85,000 new trainees in a year). But meanwhile the daily killings, humiliations and power outages have created a sense among Iraqis that the Americans have bungled things.

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Bremer thinks he can still make things stick together by the time he departs. His overriding goal is to leave behind so many new institutions by June 30 that the forces of integration overtake the chaos. He's trying to create facts on the ground that will engender a powerful demand for sovereignty, outflanking Sistani's power bid. Hence his intense push to hold town-hall meetings and local caucuses, even though officially his caucus idea is suspended pending the United Nations' finding on whether elections are feasible. Now Bremer must fight a rear-guard action as well: jittery suggestions back in Washington that America skip selection of a new transitional assembly altogether and simply hand off to the IGC. But that would almost certainly not be accepted as a legitimate government— the Bremer-appointed IGC is widely seen as a collection of U.S. stooges. Still, Bush is so intent on that date (coming as it does before the GOP convention) that Bremer cannot dismiss the idea of a handover to the Governing Council.

...more...

(emphasis mine)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:12 AM
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1. Two Things.....
1) "None of this was expected when bush* launced his war" is pure HORSESHIT! They were warned repeatedly and did not care.

2) Given the pliable media and the average murican attention span, there will be no problem for them to cut and run June 30. Iraq could blow up into civil war (most likely scenario)and as long as we have kobe, mj and scott on 24/7 and God forbid NO more coverage of US casualties, the muricans won't know or care anymore about Iraq.


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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:18 AM
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6. They'll "cut and run" until after the elections. If Bush gets in
we'll go back and take over again. Bush is not going to let all that oil go to Franc and Russia.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:08 AM
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8. They won't cut and run. They can't.
They will not cut and run before the elections, only to return. They are True Believers and power mad. They will do anything it takes to fix the elections, from unleashing a fear campaign we have never seen the likes of (that's a sure bet) to blatant lies using their radio and Fox orcs as cover (another sure bet) to voter fraud (90% likely) to declaring martial law (only in the event of another attack, whether staged by them or not). But they won't leave Iraq. In fact, they will invade Syria after they steal the election. These guys are true believers. Cynical liars? You bet. But they want to control the Middle East, its oil and hence the world (and not for the USA generally; for their own cabal only). And they believe they should. Hence, they won't cut and run. No chance. If the elections are bothersome, it's the elections that will go.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:36 PM
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14. Sad but true.
Like they've forgotten about Afghanistan.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:43 AM
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2. There's a poll on that page about evidence for Iraq war
Admin was misled 18%
Bush & Cheney knew intel was bogus 77%
Don't know 8%

(paraphrasing a bit)
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:55 AM
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3. but by god, that oil's still pumping!
and we all know that's why we're there in the first place.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:58 AM
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4. An interesting article. Seems Bremer has had some very tough
lessons to learn.

The price paid by Iraqis, our soldiers, coalition members and the tax payers were much too high. Not to mention the coming de-stabilization for the rest of the Mideast.

It will be interesting to see how history will treat Bremer.
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Chrysophylax Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:03 AM
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5. Proclamation from 1917


Could be signed Proconsul-Bremer
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:21 AM
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7. Scary stuff
The more things change the more they remain the SAME

Welcome to DU
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:20 AM
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9. "None of this was expected..."
None of this was expected when Bush launched his war, saying Americans would be welcomed as liberators.

I think it's fair to say that 99% of the people who post at DU fully expected this. Saying the Bushies didn't expect it is an implicit condemnation of their incompetence. It would only take a half hour of research on the state of Iraq prior to the invasion to figure out that this a likely scenario.
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:29 AM
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11. by my calculations, 99.9944% of people at DU
knew exactly what would happen (with calculations based on one dissenter out of about 18,000 members back then, with obvious trolls not factored in)
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:27 AM
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10. puppet govt again
bring the troops home now.
www.bringthemhomenow.com
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:18 PM
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12. Poll: Did the White House knowingly misrepresent intelligence on Iraq?
Did the White House knowingly misrepresent intelligence on Iraq? * 2784 responses

No. The administration was misled, too
17%

Yes. Bush and Cheney knew the intelligence was wrong
78%

I don't know
5%
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:31 PM
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13. More scary stuff
If you want to understand the caliber of the people involved in Iraq now consider this: Robert Gross of my home state, Utah, has been hired/appointed to build/establish/rebuild welfare and employment offices apparently on the US model. Bob Gross is the most lazy, most incompetent person I ever worked for. I worked for him for 5 years and HE NEVER GOT IT! (In part perhaps because he was always on the golf course, or running for office, or just disinterested.) This was a state job, he hired a "management consultant" at $100,000 per year while Bob spent his time feathering his nest with the GOP. (My favorite story was when he and his best buds at the Department went on a business trip to Washington DC. It was right before September 11. Turns out they got "caught" in HAWAII and couldn't get home. We would never have known the business trip to DC really was a trip to Hawaii if 9-11 had not happened.)

One year after he was appointed to head our Department he was tapped to be the governor's chief of staff (that's Gov. Mike Leavitt.) He went to the gov's office and lasted 4 months! He was so lazy and incompetent they couldn't stand him and we got him back.

(Under his watch our state was dead last in food stamp accuracy. We had warned him for months, years about it. He ignored it. We got fined $2 million. His solution, as it always was when something went wrong, was to fire the highest ranking woman in the office blaming her for everything that went wrong. It was never her fault.)

I'm sure he is getting a huge pay check. And I'm sure you're paying it. And he's supposed to be rebuilding Iraq.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:07 PM
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15. This is a fascinating story.
I see a pattern of what the neocons look for on a resume`.
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