An Attack That Came Out of the Ether: Scholar Looks for First Link in E-Mail Chain About Obama

[johnfunk]

Source: Washington Post!

An Attack That Came Out of the Ether

Scholar Looks for First Link in E-Mail Chain About Obama

By Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 28, 2008; Page C01

The e-mail landed in Danielle Allen's queue one winter morning as she was studying in her office at the Institute for Advanced Study, the renowned haven for some of the nation's most brilliant minds. The missive began: "THIS DEFINITELY WARRANTS LOOKING INTO."

...

The use of "their equivalency" and the spelling of "Kuran" instead of "Koran" made the sentence her point of departure.

That search showed that the first mention of the e-mail on the Internet had come more than a year earlier. A participant on the conservative Web site FreeRepublic.com posted a copy of the e-mail on Jan. 8, 2007, and added this line at the end: "Don't know who the original author is, but this email should be sent out to family and friends."

Allen discovered that theories about Obama's religious background had circulated for many years on the Internet. And that the man who takes credit for posting the first article to assert that the Illinois senator was a Muslim is Andy Martin.

...

Poring over these early articles on the topic, Allen noticed what she thought was an important pattern. In each instance, someone had posted the articles on the Free Republic Web site, prompting a discussion involving the same handful of people, with several expressing a desire to spread the word about Obama's supposed faith.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR2008062703781.html

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FreeRepublic.com's role as a major conduit of lies, smears and disinformation is finally coming to light! This is a long article, and merits a complete read; hence (and do pardon this, mods), more Fair Use than usual. So what are you waiting for? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR2008062703781_3.html">Go read it!

[pattmarty]

1. There you go, fucking lying shitbags!!!!!!!

[johnfunk]

3. Don't hold back there, pattmerty...

... tell 'em how you really feel!

:rant: :woohoo: :nuke: :woohoo: :rant:

[pattmarty]

5. For something as BAD as that outright lie was, that, in my opinion, was an appropriate response.

[WoodrowFan]

8. mild even

I'd say your response was mild compared to what they deserve.

[wishlist]

25. Latest chain email I got last week marks Obama as the Antichrist

The reasons given for Obama possibly being the Antichrist were that he is Muslim and that he is a pursuavive speaker who can sway crowds. I have long ignored the fearmongering emails of this annoying relative and not responded, but finally this time myself and spouse wrote a lengthy reply and ended with request that they send no more lflammatory emails.

[pattmarty]

27. YOU FORGOT, HE IS BLACK!!!!!!!!!!

[Ken Burch]

39. That means JESUS could be the Antichrist!

After all he was "a pursuasive speaker who can sway crowds" according to at least FOUR biblical accounts.:eyes: :think: :crazy: :sarcasm:

[wishlist]

59. You're right, Jesus meets the criteria even more than Obama! n/t

[nachoproblem]

71. Worse yet, he was a JEW!

Eeeeeeeeek! :scared:

[AlbertCat]

108. And a...gasp....JEW!

[panzerfaust]

143. Freemason

I have heard that he is a Freemason - look how he shakes hands!

Might even be a Scientologist.

Just, can't trust someone from Iraq no how. He even has the same middle name as his brother. You think he is going to Fight Terra when it means going after his own family?

God Bless America, the Land Where Freedom(tm) Rains blood on the terrorist unbelievers/infidels, and non-nobility.

[galledgoblin]

73. I thought Bush fit the description fairly well...

back in '02 when his ratings were at historical heights and he was capable of whatever he desired.

those were scary days :scared:

[Virginian]

132. I don't really believe Bush is a Christian.

I have always thought it was a part of Rove's packaging job to get the Evangelical voters to show up at the polls.
Bush says he is too busy to go to church, but look at Jimmy Carter -- he actually taught Sunday school while he was living in the White House.

edited to add:
I don't think Bush gave up drinking either.
I also think the pig farm was purchased as a political maneuver. I don't think he will go back there very often once he is out of the White House.
I'm LWOP on 9/11.
I think Cheney has been running the show more than we know. I hope McCain doesn't pick him as a running mate.

[clear eye]

133. If McCain picked Cheney for VP, they'd lose

Hope he does; Cheney's approval rating is even lower than Bush's.

[panzerfaust]

141. That is backwards:

If CHENEY had McCain Pick Cheney as VP ...

Please remember who is actually running the Republican show.

[nodehopper]

137. LWOP? I know LIHOP and MIHOP but what's LWOP?

[John Gauger]

103. I would just like to point out that

the book of Revelation, which the rumor sites, besides making no mention of the Antichrist, was written four hundred years before Muhammed lived, so there is also no mention of Muslims.

[texastoast]

117. If you still have it

Please PM me with the text. thanks.

[loves_dulcinea]

151. i got inflammatory right back.

they no longer send me those emails.

[ihavenobias]

49. We need to do what we can fight this BS. I encourage you to share this with everyone...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6410712

If they want to spread BS via email, let's spread the truth.

[salin]

2. That was a very interesting read.

[Phred42]

4. Here is the WHOIS on FreeRepublic

Registrant:
FreeRepublic.LLC
Jim Robinson
P.O. Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
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+1.5592731400
[e-mail]

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[e-mail]

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+1.5592130991
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Billing Contact
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Fresno, CA 93721
US
+1.5592130991
[e-mail]

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[ooglymoogly]

Fresno, like LA and south is a hotbed for fascism.

[Beam Me Up]

58. Somebody needs to sort out the word "fascism"

Not wanting to go off topic, here, but I think it is interesting. I'm not disagreeing w/ you but if fascism is government in the service of corporate interests (as I've been given to believe) then, properly speaking, Manhattan, Wall Street, DC (etc.) would be the "hot bed for fascism." If that's the case, what what might be a more appropriate term for the knuckle draggers?

[ooglymoogly]

139. Wikipedooogly; Fascism synonyms

GOP, Republican, Elephant, Bush et al, All things to do with the present meaning of Republican Corporatism, Corporate-Government bed partners, Fresno, San Jose, LA, and a hoooost of others.

[panzerfaust]

142. True. Ben Mussolini, who claimed -

- to have invented 'Fascism' (but which was actually a political system described by a Spanish philosopher - whose name escapes me at the moment - that Ben picked up on after failing to gain power in the Italian Communist Party, and so formed his own Fascist Party) described, at two different times, two 'essences' of Fascism:

1) Fascism is the form of government which fuses the power of The State with that of Capital. This is why so many American capitalists supported Fascism and were involved in a plot to take over the government by a coup d'etat(*). Please recall that before the war Henry Ford publicly supported Fascism, and that Bush's grandfather was convicted of "trading with the enemy" - of trading with NAZI Germany when we were fighting them in North Africa in WW2.

2) Ben also said that "Fascism is an essentially religious movement."

Truly, on the one hand, it can be argued that there can be only one essence, on the other hand, it can be argued that 'the essence' of something includes all essential parts. I think Ben got it right: Fascism is the fusion of the power of State, Capital, and Religion.


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(*) "The Plot to Seize the White House: The Shocking True Story of the Conspiracy to Overthrow FDR", by Jules Archer makes chilling reading. It is likely that the only reason the coup did not occur was because The Leader the cabal had picked - Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC - was a true hero of democracy and alerted Congress to the planned coup. As a result, he was widely ridiculed and attacked by the media - including Time Magazine and The New York Times.

But the light shown on the plotters caused them to abandon the plan - until The Year of Our Lord 2000, when it was successfully executed in a near bloodless fashion.

Smedley also wrote a great book (which the cabal apparently never read - perhaps it had not yet been published?) called War is a Racket” - and by this he had in mind the practices of the gangster racketeers of the '20s and '30s. This book should be required reading in any US History or introductory political science class - yet I never heard of it until I was 30 years out of college.

The following prophesy proved true - for I do believe that our form of government is changing from a democratic republic, to a fascist totalitarianism - and this saddens me.

[xxqqqzme]

74. I was just going to post -

figures - Fresno. Probably hates those brown skin people picking all the produce surrounding him.

[DBoon]

128. You mean this guy is a fascist?

He *is* the elected mayor of Los Angeles.

He has been accused of many things, but nobody has credibly accused him of being a right wing thug

You might want to learn something about the politics of the US' 3rd largest city before making these accusations.

[ooglymoogly]

140. Having lived in LA I speak foam experience.

Of course that may be changing. The thoroughly corrupt police commissioners used to run LA with an overly zealous fist. Need I say exceptionally crooked Vice squad.

[ooglymoogly]

144. correction; thats from

[Peregrine Took]

62. Not surprising the "poopie hole" of all cyberspace would show up so

prominently in all the distribution of these loathsome smear jobs.

[FloridaJudy]

6. Good article

But that didn't come out of the "ether". That just came out of the "Enough Stupid to Render You Unconscious".

[susanna]

12. LOL! Too funny. n/t

[Warpy]

7. I like the way she names names

because these dirtbags really need to be called on their bullshit if they're going to engage in a campaign of spreading smears around the net.

They need to own every stinking bit of it.

[WoodrowFan]

9. good article

K&R. Good article although I wish it were front page and not Style section. You can tell Howie Kurtz didn't write it. If he did it would have portrayed the Freepers in a good light.

[lolly]

15. More likely

Kurtz (or Brooks or Broder) would have found some story--unsourced--about a Democrat who once forwarded a joke about George Bush--and this would prove that "Both Sides Are Equally Guilty of Spreading Misleading Smears on the Internets."

[Peregrine Took]

61. Excellent point. This drives me insane. If there are 5000 demonstrators

against the Iraq occupation and a dozen freepie morans show up to counter demonstrate they each get the same face time on the 6:00 news. Cowardly media!!!

[librechik]

10. Hilarious--she was first alerted to the FR source because of the bad spelling

:rofl:

[stillcool]

11. For some reason I think of ..

freepers as young kids who have yet to question their own beliefs. It is both comforting and disheartening to see that these are not immature adolescents, but aged individuals hardened by whatever personal issues lead to a desire to hate and distrust people who aren't their kind. It is understandable that questioning long held beliefs of their own superior place in a class conscious society would be threatening.

[Politicalboi]

16. "Bitter"

Just like Obama said. It's true but the MSM distorted it.

[Doctor_J]

42. You're too optimistic

most freepers are ignorant, petty, hateful losers who have been brainwashed by the lies of hate radio and cable "news" for the last 20 years.

[Divine Discontent]

48. spot on!

and also, sadly, by many church leaders and members...

I love how they're gossip hounds and they listen to each other as official sources, and it's even worse if it comes from one of their neoncon ran websites that they believe, limbaugh or hannity, or worse yet - the dreaded email forward!


New Obama Items Weekly!
www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[WorseBeforeBetter]

91. Agreed. Like Stewart's recent description of Dobson...

"I'm just a hate-filled guy who got lucky."

[rucognizant]

76. Not AT ALL!

My oldest friend........was liberal in High school; so liberal that innocent that I was, I probably got tarred with her reputation for sleeping around. ( I didn't know it until after we graduated & she showed me her list!)
But now she's married to an ex-military guy who will inherit Bechtel funds; goes to church "religiously" and I was included on her list of terrible right wing e-mails...in 2004, until we agreed to disagree and kept our news to Grandchildren & other neutral subjects.
We are 69 years old!

[llmart]

111. My take.....

I think most freepers are what, in the early '90's was termed "angry white men." They were past middle-aged, seeing their power in the workplace declining, having grown up with a sense of entitlemen simply because they were white men and now they were having to share the workplace with women, minorities, etc. and they had to actually compete for a change. Women and minorities had learned a long time ago that they had to outperform white men just to get the job let alone make a comparable wage and companies found that these people were more dedicated and hardworking and in many cases more valuable to the company. Those angry white men were also fueled by that fat slob Limpballs.

[FreedRadical]

131. Thank you for saying that!!!!

I was told that the abusiveness that was feeling was all in my mind.

[mnhtnbb]

13. As a resident of NC I can only hope we go blue in Nov. It's frustrating

that two NC residents are named in contributing to the smears.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. It's just stunning to realize the this whole ugly smear against Obama

Is the result of a jealous loser who wanted to run against him.

[lakeguy]

17. freerepublic is just a propoganda tool

and the mouth breathers fall for it every time. i will go to my grave never being able to understand how people are stupid enough to be tricked into voting against their own interests and then go about spreading lies on top of it to justify their stupidity.

it's too bad being double stupid doesn't cancel out and make you smart.

[hootinholler]

30. What??!!?

Tehy haz skillzors!

Especially in font recognition!

-Hoot

[andyspooner]

18. Then he is Anti-Muslim?

I don't see what the big deal is. We've had Baptists, Catholics and God knows what other faiths as president. Why not a Muslim, a Jew or a Wiccan for that matter? Are they suddenly second class citizens?

The fact that Obama (or least his supporters) went to SUCH lengths to disprove it seems to imply a bias against Muslims. A simple: "No, I'm ________" would have sufficed.

Now I'm wondering what *other* bigotry and bias will come out.

[hootinholler]

20. Welcome to DU!

Enjoy your stay! BTW, do you like pizza?


-Hoot

[stillcool]

23. A simple 'no' did not suffice...

as one can see by more than a years worth of accusations being spewed by a small group of bitter, old, freaks from freeperville.

[andyspooner]

26. "second class"

I guess my point about "second class" citizens is what I was trying to make.

I don't see why its a big deal on EITHER side.

"Uh, I'm not Muslim, but some of my friends are!"

Sound familiar?

[hootinholler]

29. What point about second class citizenry?

There was no mention of that, only an accusation of bigotry against Senator Obama. Perhaps your intent was to assert that the US population is bigoted against the moslem faith, which is certainly the case, and furthered by republic positions.

When the MSM was furthering the meme while at the same time bitching about his christian preacher, it OBVIOUSLY needed a vigorous response.

-Hoot

[andyspooner]

34. This one.

"Why not a Muslim, a Jew or a Wiccan for that matter? Are they suddenly second class citizens?"

From my original post.

[hootinholler]

37. Ah, thanks! I somehow lost that. To answer your question, no, they are not suddenly second class...

Any non christian faith has been effectively second (and third, fourth, etc.) class in the US for a long time.

To use that to support an accusation of bigotry against Senator Obama's campaign could be seen as somewhat disingenuous, no?

-Hoot

[World Citizen]

75. One job, one pursuit.

Right now the one job that Obama has is to become president, for the sake of the people on this planet. A muslim, a jew, or a wiccan will NEVER be elected president in the foreseeable future. It's a game with rules. He has to play by them in order to win.

[bluerum]

67. The fcking freepers framed it such that anyone who is muslim is a threat.

They also implied that a president who is a muslim cannot be trusted.

They also lied.

Do you understand THAT?

[humbled_opinion]

124. I think their intent was to...

Make people think that the Muslims believe him to be Muslim at least born to a Muslim father and therefore once that was rooted they could deliver the meme that he being born a Muslim was now a Murtadd to the Islamic Fundamentalists extrapolating further that makes him more dangerous to this country because Muslims who renounce their religion and convert to other religions i.e., christianity are cursed by Muhammed according to the Koran.

The argument therefore becomes an Obama presidency gives the Radical Muslims more of a reason to attack America making us less safe.

[xxqqqzme]

77. You got that right...

'...For proof of this, Allen says, she need look no further than her e-mail inbox. After months of research, a new chain-mail smear against Obama arrived with an innocuous subject line: "Food for thought."....

Got that one from my mother over a month ago - guess she hangs out at that place that shall not be named. And I thought she was relying on o'lielly, shamnity & limpballs for her misinformation.

[MH1]

28. Are you for real?

This country is not about to elect a Muslim president (heck, it's a stretch to think that we have come far enough to manage to elect an African American).

Of course that statement assumes prejudice on the part of the American people, but come on - if you think it doesn't exist then I want some of what you're smoking.

Meanwhile, Obama's campaign is not some quixotic effort to reveal transcendant truths about racism in this country - it's to actually get elected to run the country and actually make some things better in the people's lives.

A false allegation that harms Obama's campaign needs to be debunked, quickly, repeatedly, and indisputably, and that is what they are doing.

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[lonestarnot]

46. It is clear that you not only "do not think" but you are

sofa king we todd it you are unable to think.

[hootinholler]

56. Aw, c'mon. Andy's just concerned.

Wery, Wery, concwerned.

I'm still waiting for his apology that he accused the Senator of bigotry.

-Hoot

[Richard Steele]

51. Get the door, Andy...it's Dominos. nm

[libnnc]

53. mmmm....it's freak-a-licious!

[hootinholler]

54. Alas, not true.

:shrug:

-Hoot

[Richard Steele]

55. Soon enough.... soon enough. nm

[Richard Steele]

65. And there it is!

I must be psychic! :rofl:

[LTR]

57. Spooned!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=222925

[Robeson]

63. Andy, we hardly knew ya'...

...but, what we did know, we didn't like.

[lonestarnot]

44. Go gag yourself with your own cereal spoon.

[LanternWaste]

69. Unless there is clear evidence

Unless there is clear evidence that the good Senator is indeed Anti-Muslim, then we can conclude he is not. Nor is he anti-Christian, or anti-Jewish, or anti-Athiest.

"...would have sufficed". No-- it wouldn't. A simple denial didn't work for John Kerry. Remember something-- the radical Right only needs to something repeated over and over again, and as long as it validates their own postions, they will take it as a Truth.

Now I'm wondering what *other* bigotry and bias will come out."
I'm sure someone, somewhere in Freeper land will give us another fictional account to satisfy your appetite.





As for you-- are you anti-Muslim? Are you a bigot? Are you biased against America?

[Robeson]

72. I'm sorry, but Mr. Spoon has had a swift fall from grace, and will no longer...

...be answering questions...:-)

[LanternWaste]

85. Dagnabbit! I wanted to lure this fish in and some fun with him...

Dagnabbit! I wanted to lure this fish in and some fun with him...

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

84. The bigotry and bias is not on Obama's side

but rather something that is aided and abetted by the right wing. They are working on natural prejudice and ignorance of Islam, something that has been around for decades (I could give specific examples if you like).

[AlbertCat]

109. Atheists?

We've had Baptists, Catholics and God knows what other faiths as president. Why not a Muslim, a Jew or a Wiccan for that matter? Are they suddenly second class citizens?

No mention of the one group Americans fear more than any other....who are indeed second class citizens in the eyes of their neighbors.

Yeah! How about a atheist or human secularist president? Some skeptical critical scientific thinking in that office would be greatly helpful!

[texastoast]

119. Hello, andyspooner

And welcome to DU.

The big deal is that you have to understand that there are people who are stupid enough to buy deeply into whatever is fed to them as long as it keeps people in power to support the corporate predators. See? These people are afraid, very afraid.

And we are not the same people who thought that surely no one would be stupid enough to support George Bush, given his abysmal record in Texas. And we certainly are not the same people who think that Republicans are moral to espouse facts as the basis of guiding the vote.

And we are not the same people who will be gracious enough to think that everyone is smart enough NOT to listen to Rush Limbaugh.

That is OVER.

Welcome to the new Democrats.



:kick:

[sudopod]

145. SO I HERD U LIEK MUDKIPZ!

*facepalm*

[Doug.Goodall]

19. The lies came from the FreeRepublic.com. Why am I not surprised?

I am not even sure this is news. It is more like a conformation of what most people expect from FreeRepublic.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

99. "Most people" haven't heard of FR...

including family members (through marriage) who believe Obama is Muslim.

I haven't read the WaPo article yet, but it sounds as if it's going to be sent to the wingnuts in my address book as a Happy 4th of July gift.

[psychmommy]

21. that dr was on the ball.

it is a whole new world out there. just like obama's campaign on the internet has helped him, idiots on the internet are hurting him. obama's anti-smear website is a good idea but it is preaching to the choir. somehow they have to link to get the freepers attention. to reach the people who actually believe this bull-crap. this was great. i listened to her interview-she was awesome. go ahead sistergirl.

[ThoughtCriminal]

22. "If 20 percent of what's on my Web site is true..."

A good indication that doesn't care if the web site is overflowing with false information. He assumes that somewhere in that big pile of shit, there's something edible.

[Arctic Dave]

60. I got a chuckle out of that too.

This guy is definetly has the train of thought of throw it on the wall and see what sticks. I wonder how well that arguement worked for him in school. "Well Miss Soandso, if at least 20% percent of my assignment is true shouldn't I pass?"

[neuvocat]

93. Probably lied about being a software engineer too.

Free Republic: where truth goes to die.

[Maestro]

24. Wait, Freepers and lies, let me get on my surprised face.

:sarcasm: I hope this story has legs and lets people know what Rimjob and this Beckwith turd are all about.

[Number23]

100. Exactly

let me get on my surprised face.

They must be sh*tting their pants though, knowing how easy it was for them to be "unmasked" and called out on their BS. And being front page news on the Washington Post?? Damn. JimRob has GOT to be pissed right about now.

[Number23]

110. Hot Damn! I was right!

They must be sh*tting their pants though, knowing how easy it was for them to be "unmasked" and called out on their BS.

"The article Mosk wrote today purports to be about efforts to track down where the 'Obama is a Muslim' allegations began. However, it is actually a warning shot across the bow to opponents of Obama that they will be tracked down and exposed for speaking ill of the Obamessiah."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037834/posts

[JoFerret]

31. Excellent

Great work!

[cornermouse]

32. I don't know about the Free Republic connection

but this shouldn't come as a surprise. I've thought for a long time the emails that get passed around have contributed a lot to our current situation.

[Politicalboi]

35. Here is a

True Believer. Meet Joy

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/06/worlds_dumbest_person.php

[DailyGrind51]

36. This is right out of Rove's playbook, planting a story and then

referring to the story, following publication, as if it came from an independent source.

[lebkuchen]

38. This was sent around DoD Outlooks awhile back

until the Stars & Stripes published an article that it was against the law to do so (Hatch Act) on government equipment.

And it stopped as far as I know.

Whenever I get any such "spam" at work, I send it to a DoD spam site, and the person sending it around gets notified, and then it stops. It didn't used to be that way. It used to be that you had to complain to a supervisor, who would do nothing because he/she (usually a "he") was already sending x-rated material around the web on govt. computers to other "good ole boys" and didn't want to "out" himself, so he would claim that it was out of his hands.

But, like I said, that was then. :)

[Joanne98]

40. AH HA! Busted AGAIN!

[yardwork]

41. FreeRepublic was one of the first outlets responding to Dan Rather's story, too.

It's been clear for some time that Free Republic is part of a network of disinformation supported by the White House. A freeper named Buckhead kicked off the trouble as soon as the 60 Minutes episode aired, ending up getting Dan Rather fired for the story about Bush being AWOL from duty during Vietnam. Buckhead works for a law firm in Atlanta that serves as a pr arm of the White House. He was outed by an LA Times reporter.

[Whoa_Nelly]

43. oooooo...Freepers are PISSED! (and Obama is a MARXIST!)

(Ugh! Just came from Fresno where I had to take another state-mandated teacher test.
Am 40 miles south of the Home of the Freepers x( )


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037786/posts

To: plangent
Whether he is a Muslim or a Baptist is irrelevant to me. What's more important is that he is a Marxist and an idiot.
5 posted on Sat Jun 28 08:07:09 2008 by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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And then there's THIS response that makes absolutely no sense
(unless, of course, you're an idiot with a limited education...?)

To: plangent
For a Genius she is barking up the wrong tree...Which BTW is pure Bravo Sierra. I know E1-E4s that can analyze better then her any day of the week.

Start with the Clinton War Machine...Genius
11 posted on Sat Jun 28 08:13:54 2008 by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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And then there's this gem:
(I mean, really! Who knew?)

To: plangent
I know this, whether he actually is or is not Islamic, he can recite the Islamic call to prayer perfectly in Arabic...and did so in one interview, calling it one of the most beautiful sounds in the world.

Many Islamics believe, due to the definitive nature of that prayer, that anyone who recites it becomes a "Muslim".

All of that aside, by his actions and positions in the IL and US Senates, and by his willful, long-term assocaiations, Obama is marked as the most anti-American and marxist individual to ever gain the nomination of any major party in US history.

27 posted on Sat Jun 28 08:23:05 2008 by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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[lonestarnot]

47. I saw them yesterday at McSame's. All they could think to do was flip birdies!

snort :rofl:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

88. Oh geez!

The Call To Prayer says things like "God is Great" "Come to prayer--come to success" "There is no Reality save the One."

For one to be Muslim, one recites the Shahada, which is different from the Call to Prayer. And to be a Sufi initiate, one must take part in a special ritual.

But no one has ever claimed that the people at FR know anything about that which they speak.

[riona]

45. Thanks for the post

We have received the emails from our rep acquaintances who feel it is their duty to pass the info along. They also forward all the other bogus stuff seen on Snopes. Funny how they will devour this fiction and happily clog our inboxes it. There's another problem - they want to believe it. They wouldn't dream of verifying the information.

[NM Independent]

50. K&R

But not surprised one bit.

[The Wizard]

52. Free Republic

where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.
When they're not spreading lies, they're downloading kiddie porn and jerking off.

[Peregrine Took]

66. Did you ever see any of the photo's from some of their get-togethers?

OMG! Jenny Craig would be delighted at the potential customer base.

[The Wizard]

114. Does this mean

in order to find their peckers they have to take a leak and follow the stream back?

[AnnieBW]

64. I'm surprised she didn't mention our friend the Unafreeper

And his little nasty-grams full of white powder.

[mudesi]

68. LOL. Freepers can't spell

The use of "their equivalency" and the spelling of "Kuran" instead of "Koran" made the sentence her point of departure.

How typical.

:rofl:

[DaveJ]

112. Standard practice among researchers

I learned in graduate school that the moment you write something false, unsubstantiated, or just plain dumb, the article is dismissed and the serious reviewer stops reading it, no matter what the rest contains. Unfortunately most people are not so discerning.

[McCamy Taylor]

70. This article is an attack on Obama, guys. I will write more on it in my journals.

This is yet another example of what I was talking about in my recent journal about how the MSM would "report" on the bad behavior of Fox, Drudge and others when they call Obama a Muslim---in order to spread the lie that Obama is a Muslim.

The WaPo is a Neo Con rag.

[Number23]

105. How do you come to this conclusion?

I read every word of the article and didn't come to the same conclusion that you did.

I thought the piece showed a researcher, who is clearly identified as brilliant and an Obama supporter, digging into the genesis of viral Internet claims about Obama, which are not only identified as false but also "smears."

The article even outs the people she believes started the smears and portrays them extremely unflatteringly. I don't know how you reached the conclusion that this was an anti-Obama piece but I don't see that at all.

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[Kingofalldems]

86. So are you a member of Free Republic?

Will you post everything this guy has ever written?

[johnfunk]

136. Thank you for exposing the Ted Sampley disinformation

Sampley has dishonored his service by becoming a major agent for lies and dirty politics.

[madeline_con]

96. WTF is a "white" name? n/t

[Ian David]

101. "Mayonaise" ... "Sperm" ... "Puss."

"Mayonaise" ... "Sperm" ... "Puss"... "Albinos"... "Republicans"--
"THINGS THAT ARE WHITE!"

[Ian David]

106. "Adolf" is a White name. So is "McVay" and "Manson" and "Napoleon" and "Rev. Jim Jones." n/t

[DBoon]

130. So is Lenin and Stalin

nothing whiter than an Eastern European

Of course, "Einstein" is a white name as well

[johnfunk]

138. Actually, "Lenin" and "Stalin" were "stage names"

"Lenin" is Russian for Lion; "Stalin" for Steel.

[Kickin_Donkey]

118. Like "their equivalency" and "Kuran" ...

it's another clue from freeperland.

[Number23]

107. What in the Sam Hill?

Do you like being loud and wrong or are you just good at it? And what the hell is a "white name" anyway?

Obama had a name change from a white name to African name

Your claim is so idiotic. Not only because it's wrong but because it's so easily provable.

Here's Barack's birth certificate. Note the name on it, please.

[johnfunk]

135. Thank you for exposing the Ted Sampley disinformation

Sampley has dishonored his military service with his recent legacy of lies and smears.

[Ian David]

90. As opposed to George W. Bush and Laura Pickles Bush and his other wife, Condi Rice

See also:

Hypocrisy Corner: Much Ado about Headscarves
http://www.weeklyphilosophy.com/?m=200704

[MetaTrope]

122. Don't forget Bush has friends in high places

[Ian David]

92. See also: Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain

Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain was formed to dispel the myth of "Straight talkin’, principled, maverick war hero" - We have professional television directors, advertising consultants, and national organizations who are working with us to launch this national project. Click here to help sponsor the WHY? McCain media ad campaign
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_iwanttohelp.htm



The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html




This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.

John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .

Bring It On John!
Here is our number
252-527-0442


More:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

[Judi Lynn]

102. Why don't you stop spreading the bogus stories? If we want to read them, we know where to look.

You're pretending you're merely discussing them with us, while spamming the place with this crap.

Any one of us can find anti-Obama bilge any moment of any day. You're using this message board dishonestly.

[Ian David]

149. Well, it only took the moderators about a day and a half to delete THAT one.

Is there some kind of DU Moderator man-power shortage I don't know about?

[AlbertCat]

113. "Swiftboating"

Here's a title of one of Teddy's articles:

"Swiftboating"
New American Political Jargon Term Meaning "Outing" the Fraudulent
Exposing the lies, deceit and fraud of self-glorifying public officials

By Ted Sampley


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Is that what you think "swiftboating" means today Ted?

Too much!


BTW, It's Wilmington, NC not Wilminston....on the coast (where I live)....and Kinston is hours away. Wilmington is a picturesque port on the Cape Fear which runs to the Right because lots of rich people have their vacation houses at the beach here.
I don't know what Kinston's excuse is. It used to be a wealthy town; there are lots of big (empty, rundown) Victorian houses there. But frankly, these days it looks like a dying hole in the wall.

[RoccoR5955]

87. This figures...

Those freepers have been at it for quite some time.
But, on the other hand, anyone who takes what those freepers say as 'gospel' is nuts, and needs a check up from the neck up.
Most of us know that those freepers hide behind the anonymity of e-mails, blogs, and websites. Most of them probably haven't seen sunlight in several years.
They are the same people who say that we don't have an environmental crisis, there is no problem with Bushco, Inc. and we need another like him in the White House. These are the same people who vote against their best interests every time, in favor of a pro-business coup in this country.

They are essentially harmless. They can't do anything in person. They just lurk here, and hide, so take them with a grain of salt, but spread the truth, to make them look like the traitors that they are.

[Ian David]

89. Someone's WikiPedia page needs to be updated...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Republic

[rasputin1952]

94. For God's sake...NO ONE believes FR, w/the possible exceprtion

of thse that are so damn stupid they can't figure out how to spell "shet"

[jeff30997]

98. You're so rite!

Wadda bonch of morans!1! :)

[Ian David]

104. "Shet" is how you spell "Set" when you have no teeth...

"Your in my country show me how to brush my teeth."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3244428

[The Wizard]

115. Free Republic

AKA Cyber Klan

[texastoast]

116. You are out of your mind if you think

no one believes their emails.

Thank God Obama knows the ropes.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

126. Yep. From the article...

"During that time, polls show the number of voters who mistakenly believe Obama is a Muslim rose -- from 8 percent to 13 percent between November 2007 and March 2008. And some cited this religious mis-affiliation when explaining their primary votes against him."

The other day I received an e-mail from a family member who I once considered moderate, but is now swept up by anti-Muslim sentiment. The brainwashing is complete.

[rasputin1952]

127. The brainwashing is far from complete...

this will be dealt with and the demons that spawned it will rot in hell.

Obama is not the idiot that so many think he may be....he has run a brilliant campaign, a few gaffes, but he makes McCain look like a dead man.

Trust me...first debate, it's all over.

On edit: how is it going to look when McCain's wife waited 5+ years for him to be released from being a POW....and he dumps her for a millionairess? The man isa moral wasteland.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

129. You have much more faith in your fellow 'man' than I do.

No argument from me about McCain being a moral wasteland, but his followers won't believe or won't care about the c*nt or the dumping for the millionairess or whatever other slimy/immoral things he has done.

I'm not that trusting in this matter, but I'll hope you're right. I think what they're going to attempt to do to Mr. and Mrs. Obama will make what they did to Kerry look like child's play, so he and his team better remain brilliant.

[rasputin1952]

134. I am not prone to making "out of the blue" schemes....

but I would truly be surprised if McCain got over 30% of the vote. He is the Bob Dole of 2008, he is the sacrificial goat.

The first debate, and if thereis a second, will kill him off...he has nothing, except maybe 5+ years as a POW...a relatively well treated POW because his family had Admirals in the Navy. The man is not an idiot, but he comes pretty close.

[madeline_con]

95. And this from Beckwith's corner...

Beckwith responds to The Washington Post.

The first thing I have to say about "An Attack That Came Out of the Ether," published by The Washington Post on June 28th, is that at NO time was I ever contacted by this woman, Danielle Allen. I spoke to two male Post reporters, who spoke to me over the phone for a period of months. The first contact was in the fall of 2007. They told me they were trying to track down the source of emails they considered negative to the Obamamessiah.


http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Edited to add contact info:

Contact -- Beckwith at TheObamaFile dot com -- in proper form, of course

[e-mail]

[jeff30997]

97. "at NO time was I ever contacted by this woman, Danielle Allen"

Lol!And I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

[proud2BlibKansan]

120. Is this him proving his own words are a lie?

"I told her reporters that I believed that The Obama File content was better than 95% accurate"

[sudopod]

146. Whoever made that site is partying like it's 1999. nt

[johnfunk]

150. Beckwith's Tourette's: What happens when he's confronted via e-mail by a REPUBLICAN in Georgia?

I gave a heads-up to an enlightened GOPer of my acquaintance who is voting for Obama ("... I like where he's coming from... he has a realistic chance of restoring Constitutional balance and fiscal discipline while dealing with the energy and economy. McCain and the reigning GOP coterie would just fuck the country up even more severely.") about teh article this morning. He decided to drop "Peckerwith"... er, "Beckwith" a note.

Mark LeBoeuf <[e-mail]>
to [e-mail]
date Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM
subject Your reply to the Washington Post
mailed-by gmail.com



You wrote,

>The first thing I have to say about "An Attack That Came Out of the Ether,"
>published by The Washington Post on June 28th, is that at NO time was
>I ever contacted by this woman, Danielle Allen.

Irrelevant: Ms. Allen and Mr. Mosk never made any such claim; Ms. Allen is working with a team of researchers who divide a large workload (including interviews). Your assertion does nothing to deflect from the article's accuracy -- in fact, your overwheening whining is almost as bad as your refusal to remove content from your site that has been repeatedly shown to be false or incomplete in such a way as to depict a derogatory or negative image or stereotype of Senator Obama.

And that was a major flaw in just the first sentence of your whiny outburst! The rest of it is just as specious and weakly defensive; I will neither waste your time or mine by Fisking the rest of it, although it would be an amusing exercise in debunking someone unable to muster a robust defense of their words, actions, or dishonest web site.

It is not Senator Obama or the Washington Post but YOU who are the problem. In fact, some of your site's content is quite arguably actionable. Senator Obama, who has a spine when it comes to bare-knuckle politics (unlike Al Gore Jr. and John Kerry) has used the old Chicago metaphor to make it clear that "if they ((read: you)) bring a knife to the fight, we'll bring a gun." The WP story should have been a big warning shot across the bow to you ad your fellow disinformation agents. Here's a hint: instead of sabotaging your own image by posting a childish, defensive, unintentionally hilarious and ultimately unhelpful blog entry to your web site, I'd bet you a buck that you should have been retaining the services of a skilled litigator. Judging from word going around the beltway and campaign circles these days, my money is on the likelihood you will need one.

Marc LeBoeuf
Georgia Republicans for Obama

PS: Hire a better web designer! Your site's layout and typefaces are on the amateurish side.

Beckwith <[e-mail]>
reply-to [e-mail]
to [e-mail]
date Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:57 AM
subject re: Your reply to the Washington Post



Kiss my patootee, cutie!

Mark LeBoeuf <[e-mail]>
to [e-mail]
date Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:01 AM
subject Re: Your reply to the Washington Post
mailed-by gmail.com



Nice reply. We'll publish it. Stay classy!

[calimary]

121. I think that fucker "buckhead" is a freeper.

He's the lawyer asshole who started cranking up shit about Dan Rather, after Rather had broadcast the report about bush's fraudulent Texas Air National Guard "service". He's the one who was a ringleader of the bullshit about the typewriter that wasn't, and the fonts that weren't, and the memos that were supposedly not on the level. When what was IN the memos was absolutely spot-on. But everybody in the MSM allowed themselves to be distracted by how some typewriter back in the 70's typed a "th" combination.

HAH! FOUND IT!!!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002039080_buckhead18.html

harry mcdougald is his name:

(snip)

But it did not come from an expert in typography or typewriter history as some first thought. Instead, it was the work of Harry MacDougald, an Atlanta lawyer with strong ties to conservative Republican causes and who helped draft the petition urging the Arkansas Supreme Court to disbar President Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the Los Angeles Times has found.


BASTARD-BASTARD-BASTARD-BASTARD-BASTARD-BASTARD-BASTARD-BASTARD-BASTARD-BASTARD!!!!!!

The main thing wrong with this SOB is that WE don't have assholes like that on our side who are willing to go to any length - and be effective with it. What the bad guys need desperately is a taste of their own medicine. See how they like it.

[Historic NY]

123. Isn't there a way to shut them down..........you know what I mean...

I think some legal action should be taken since its a deliberate attack to spread innuendo's, rumors all designed to attack an individual. Hitting them in the wallet is one way to shut them down.

[provis99]

125. the Freepers are already whining about this article

what a sorry bunch of little bitch-ass cowards. They're all just clones of Rush Limbaugh; sucker punch someone until they turn around, then run off screaming when they start to punch back.

Don't bother reading the freeper response, I've taken that burden for you. Needless to say, it involves the usual mispellings, random sexist and racist rants, rumor mongering, and whining about people smarter than themselves.

[madeline_con]

148. "... and whining about people smarter than themselves."

That takes up a hugh chunk or their time! :rofl:

[Zorra]

147. First place I'd look is the Rove Cesspool beneath the American Enterprise Institute.

[Blue_Tires]

152. ttt