Kucinich Forces Vote on Bush's Impeachment

[Hissyspit]

Source: Washington Post

Kucinich Forces Vote On Bush's Impeachment

By Ben Pershing
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 11, 2008; Page A02

Having failed in efforts to impeach Vice President Cheney, Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio) escalated his battle against the administration this week by introducing 35 articles of impeachment against President Bush, using a parliamentary maneuver that will probably force a vote today.

Kucinich's impeachment measure accuses Bush of taking the country to war in Iraq under false pretenses; he introduced it as a "privileged resolution," which requires the House to take it up within two legislative days. Any lawmaker may offer a privileged resolution, but it is usually done only by party leaders.

Kucinich, upon introducing his articles of impeachment Monday evening, insisted on reading the resolution into the Congressional Record, a process that took nearly five hours. He finished reading it late yesterday after the close of legislative business.

As they have previously, Democratic leaders staunchly oppose Kucinich's impeachment effort. They expect to table the resolution by referring it to the Judiciary Committee, where they expect it to die.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/10/AR2008061003087.html

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Good for him!

Go Dennis!

:patriot:

[rumpel]

4. We in CA...

btw, is Pelosi up for re-election this year?

we really have to start writing to her - we want integrity - we want courage - Turley is right.

[EFerrari]

8. She's immovable. All about the election and that's it, folks. n/t

[jmowreader]

19. Oh dear God...

You KNOW she's up for re-election, as are the other 434 members of the House of Representatives.

[groovedaddy]

46. Election year or not, they were NEVER going to go there.

Their careers are more important than a notion like justice.

[lovuian]

52. I hope she gets removed right now I'm appalled at her

performance

They will all have to answer for their negligence at not obeying the Constitution

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. She just won her primary against a fringe pro-impeachment candidate by a landslide:

Shirley Golub 9,493 10.8 %
Nancy Pelosi 77,830 89.2 %

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/usrep/0859.htm








And her competition in the general election looks to be more of the same:

[FunMe]

84. That loser Pelosi!

Only 77 thousand voted for her? And she is expected to retain her seat?

geez, what is wrong with "liberal" San Francisco?

[dixiegrrrrl]

108. good bye America

I cannot believe that only 9500 people voted for Golub.

People I have known for 20 plus years are telling me they don't want to hear about politics and will I please shut up about it.
They say it nicely...
but they say it. They say they don't want to think about it.



I cannot even savor the idea of saying "I told you so" when Blackwater thugs come to drag them from their homes.

[Jackpine Radical]

59. Representatives are up for election every 2 years, so

the answer is Yes.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

2. K&R

[Lionel Mandrake]

3. Finally, a newspaper reports this story

Even the Washington Post story is a day late. The LA Times hasn't covered it yet.
K&R

[Hissyspit]

7. Technically, they are referring to his actions late tonight.

[papau]

43. link changed - new link below

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/10/AR2008061003087.html

[frog92969]

5. K&R

Everybody call your critters.
:applause:

[Voltaire99]

6. OK, I'll say it.

If the leadership runs scared again, I see no point in voting for Democrats any more.

No, it's not a fat oozing pile of corporate money -- but it's still possible for you to understand simple words, isn't it, Pelosi?

[ekwhite]

64. Very simply

As bad as the Democrats are, the Republicans are worse. There is no third party that is viable. If your congressperson is a pile of dog manure, as mine is, work for their opposition.

[mdmc]

87. I love DU

but I also agree with you

[Zhade]

118. I'll say it even clearer - if holding criminals accountable is now dead, why even vote?

We put medijuana patients in prison, yet murderers walk - AND SEEMINGLY DECENT PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH THAT!

When did I fall into the Twilight Zone?

[Tiggeroshii]

9. Come on Conyers, if they table it at the Judiciary committee, please, please, please

don't let it die...

[Zhade]

119. Conyers has been a monumental disappointment.

NT!

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[earth mom]

11. Kick some ass Dennis, I hope to hell it works!!!

:kick:

[hardtoport]

12. History will not look kindly upon the Democrats.

Unfortunately, we can expect this to happen again, as the Dems are allowing a precedent to be set.

Obviously, the first order of business is to take back the WH, but the failure of Dem leadership will not be forgotten. Just as the netroots has fueled the campaign of Barack Obama, it can also push forward challengers to DINOs. We have to remove those spineless Dems whose only interest is reelection, not governance.

[lligrd]

13. Time To Tell Pelosi That We Are Taking Her Off The Table

and putting Impeachment back on it.

[lligrd]

14. Dupe

[barbtries]

15. i love him

he's a true hero. it's so sad.

[KingOfLostSouls]

16. Kooch will fail

while I think bush should be impeached, kooch will fail. he's proven time and time again to be a little man looking for applause.


no one takes serious the person screaming for attention. instead of the same tired hippy chants of "bush lied, they died" and looking for applause from unwashed and unshaven Whole Foods shoppers/Widespread Panic fans for donations so him and his wife can go on vacation, kooch should look for actual legality.

oh wait, but then he'd have to consult the 98% of the democratic party he accused of not being real democrats because they wouldn't vote for him to be president.

[truthisfreedom]

17. He's already won. It's in the Congressional Record, and NOTHING bush can do will take it out.

It's there forever. IMPEACH!

[pjt7]

18. Are they going to

vote on this?

[gasperc]

31. the clerk re-read the whole thing again last night in the House

so it's been read twice LIVE on C-SPAN. Both Countdown w/Olberman and Verdict w/ Abrams discussed it a bit. It's a milestone. Yes, the vote will come and it will be a dissappointment. But remember, it's in the record. And when the GOP pulls out thier Rezko independent investigation bullshit, we'll pull out the congressional record and yank out one article at a time to investigate.

[JeanGrey]

41. I'm sure Bush will lose sleep over it.

[chervilant]

20. Party Affiliation

has become a key red herring for the Corporate Megalomaniacs who are actually running the show these days, as has bipartisan divisiveness--which is certainly an actionable component of their agenda. (I urge you to consider this assertion without relegating me to the "unwashed and unshaven" crowd.)

Furthermore, why do you make condescending statements about Mr. Kucinich and those proverbial "unwashed and unshaven Whole Foods shoppers/Widespread Panic fans"? How does this help?

By the way, the last time I was in Whole Foods (now a fine example of a corporate wet dream--which is a key reason why I've only been there once in the past six months), only a few of the staff bore any resemblance to hippydom. Most of the customers are mid to upper middle class--expensive cars, clothes, and colognes.

[fudge stripe cookays]

21. Nice.

Stereotype much?

Why no profile? Afraid to tell us something? Like why you picked your user name? Who are the lost souls in this scenario?

[awoke_in_2003]

33. "Why no profile?"

This is my guess- they are new here. I have seen a lot of this lurking around in GD-P, a bunch of people who have been here 2-3 months and have 5000 posts. A bunch more that are +1000 with no profile- names I don't recognize. A lot of them were those very vocal minority of "supporters" who made GD-P as chaotic as a shit fight in a monkey cage. Now the primaries are over, so they will find other places to stir up shit. A lot (i hope) will be TS'ed.

[KingOfLostSouls]

35. been here since this place opened

back when there was a little known governor from vermont named howard dean just announced his presidency


sorry, kooch isn't the second coming of jesus. yeah sure, he introduces a resolution to impeach bush every other month. its not gonna happen, in fact, it really shows the fact that he's given up on any legislation to help his own district and instead look for ways to swell his coffers with vacation money for his trophy wife who he's gotta keep in the best prada possible.


no one seriously takes kooch seriously because he's made a mockery of himself the past year, especially his shameful attempt at the campaign to attack the other candidates for being too "pro-bush" then his willingness to embrace white supremacist ron paul over fellow democrats.

kooch used to be a good guy. then he started reading his own press.


those are the facts.

[awoke_in_2003]

37. "no one seriously takes kooch seriously "

Maybe if some would, we could be rid of this president.

[FlaGranny]

38. Dennis is THE Democrat

most beloved on DU. He's the one who most represents the beliefs and ideals of the majority DU. If you had been here since the beginning you should know that. When you insult Dennis, well, you insult most of us who are here. Incidentally, the "beginning" around here was not when Dean announced his run. Nowhere near that time. Do you know when the beginning was?

[KingOfLostSouls]

71. Dennis represents the majority of DU?

funny, he's not the nominee for president.

[FlaGranny]

73. Hon, DU is NOT

the general public.

[KingOfLostSouls]

77. Funny thing about that

kooch couldn't even top out on the DU polls either


if kucinich was as important to DU as you claim he is, you wouldn't be running around with a barack obama avatar

[FlaGranny]

147. I don't know how long you have been

around here because you've seen fit not to tell us anything about yourself, but if you've been here longer than 5-6 months, you would know that Dennis had a huge following here, including myself. He was the first choice of many of us. The progression went something like this for many of us: Kucinich, Edwards, Obama. DU leans quite far to the left, for the most part.

[The Doctor.]

135. Honest question;

Did you take 'stupid' pills this morning?

Since when is a nominee chosen exclusively by DU? There's this thing, you see... it's called a nation and it's full of people, including Democrats, that don't post to or read DU.

Series! I meen it... it's HUGH!

[RaleighNCDUer]

53. No, those are calumnies.

If that's too big a word for you, try 'slander' or 'lie'.

[KingOfLostSouls]

74. Should we repost the kooch clip

kooch would rather have ran with ron paul as his VP than a democratic party member

it was kooch who said he was the only true democrat in the field.



the guy made himself a joke this election season. he probably burned more bridges with the other members of congress than hilary clinton has. and thats saying something.

[maxanne]

55. your opinon

doesn't constitute fact, KingOfLostSouls.

Democratic Underground started in 2001, long before Howard Dean announced his candidacy for president.

Dennis is beloved in his district, he is one of the least wealthy members of Congress, and his wife doesn't wear Prada. She shops at second hand stores.

Funny how there's always someone to come along to spend all kinds of time telling us how unimportant Dennis is.

[KingOfLostSouls]

72. Other than pushing for impeachment for donations

when was the last time kooch lead a major bill drive? seriously.

he was really good in 2004. then he turned into the ricky bobby of politics.

[maxanne]

93. and you imagine

that changing the subject addresses the points in my post?

That's the trouble with using opinion vs. fact. It requires a lot of tapdancing.

[KingOfLostSouls]

102. its pointing out the fact

that kooch has made a mockery of himself.


other than spending the past 2 years preparing to run for president (and not get elected) every 4 years, theres really nothing he's done legislative wise in that time. a man's claim to fame shouldn't be on getting one resolution tabled for a slow death.

[maxanne]

132. that wasn't listed in your

initial litany of complaints, including the false accusation about Elizabeth Kucinich's wardrobe.

I get why you had to change course. Keep dancing.

[vanlassie]

69. A FACT can be verified with data. I could give you a mini-lesson....

[vanboggie]

82. You've been watching too much tee vee

Sounds just like the MSM.

[mikelewis]

96. You're replies are as obtuse as your moniker...

With Democrats like you... who needs Republicans?

[Zhade]

121. Those are your opinions, not facts.

NT!

[The Doctor.]

134. Fail.

"been here since this place opened back when there was a little known governor from vermont named howard dean just announced his presidency"

- Funny, I didn't know that Dean announced his candidacy back in 2001.

On top of that, the heaping load of shit you call a post doesn't say much for either your objectivity or your knowledge. It sounds more like jealousy thinly disguised as cynicism.

[govegan]

141. A lot more take the man seriously than two-bit wind bags

What does it take to shill for the neo-fascist elite these days?

Oxycontin based life forms are abundantly prevalent with and without their brown shirts. Where should we throw the fire-bombs now, oh wise one of the tortured and twisted logic?

"They also serve, who only stand and wait."

[fudge stripe cookays]

80. Yep.

That pretty much sums it up. Several already have, thank goodness.

[Joe Chi Minh]

105. Well, fsk, all he needs to bear in mind is what he told us: he is the number one

lost soul.

Unfortunately, by effectively dismissing Dennis's political platform in the process of vilifying him, as he clearly did, he demonstrates that it is not the lack of a geographical compass that has disoriented him. But then, aren't we expecting to find figs growing on thorns? Go back to sleep, lost soul.

[KingOfLostSouls]

107. Kooch dismissed his political platform

when he thought white supremacist ron paul would make a better running mate than other democrats.


do you agree with kooch on his love for white supremacist ron paul, yes or no?

[Joe Chi Minh]

109. Yes or no! Do you really expect me to give you a clumsy half-assed one-word answer, just because you

fancy your barr'er as an attorney? You're even thicker that I thought.

You think the tens of millions of people without free health and others sleeping on the streets, many of both non-whites, are a matter of no consequence, when weighed against your glib, shallow, Republican-type, half-witted point-scoring, oh son of perdition? You've got another think coming. One day, God willing, you'll be in their shoes. But then again, maybe God will keep you for the eternal perdition you seem to identify with, and not afford you any means of expiation in this life.

I don't normally use the Alert button, but I've just left the message, "Lost soul".

[KingOfLostSouls]

112. So in other words

you refuse to answer a simple honest question about your hero and his support of a racial supremacist.


thanks for proving yourself into the category of "intellectually dishonest."

[Joe Chi Minh]

128. I very much doubt if you have the necessary faculty to even know what honesty is.

What's more you are clearly a half-wit, as anyone with a grain of sense would understand that even the most intense personal hatred of racism would not prevent any sensible person from voting for Kucinich, if Ron Paul was part of a ticket that intended to help every disadvanatged person in your society, irrespective of their colour. Dopey.

[KingOfLostSouls]

140. White supremacy

isn't about helping disadvantage people


neither is suddenly becoming pro-choice when its politically convenient to run for president.

learn your history and political candidates. you look foolish otherwise.

[Joe Chi Minh]

148. "White supremacy isn't about helping disadvantage people." Well, hot-diggity!

Who'd ever have guessed that?

Politics is the art of the possible. I think I would settle for John Kerry or Dennis Kucinich, rather than a single-issue freeper. What would your political persuasion be? Let me see if I can guess? Would you by any chance be a fundamentalist Evangelical of the Bushco capitalist persuasion?

The Pope seemed to understand that politicians at the highest levels have to deal with the world as it is, as well as working towards future more moral and propitious goals for mankind. You should try the latter. Then you would be in a better position to understand Denns Kucinich's concern for our observance of the Second Commandment (which, Christ stated, was "like unto the First") towards the living, outside the womb. Notice he was not going to let them get away with the notion that they could worship God, without loving and serving their fellow man.

Read Jesus' decription of the Last Judgment in Matthew 25, then go back and read Matthew 23, and tremble.

[LanternWaste]

113. "do you still beat your wife-- yes or no?"

"do you agree with kooch on his love for white supremacist ron paul, yes or no?"

"do you still beat your wife-- yes or no?"

It's a logical fallacy called "invalid use of the 'or' qualifier. It denies context and reduces a multitude of choices down to two, decided upon by the author to best suit his rhetorical demands.

[Zhade]

125. A false dichotomy, indeed.

NT!

[fudge stripe cookays]

137. More like...

king of fools, if you ask me, KC.

:hi:

[miles 2 go]

25. Yeah, go ahead and slam the only guy we got with balls.

I don't get the feeling that Dennis is doing this for attention, I think he's doing it because it's what should be done.

[SpiralHawk]

27. How tragic that you have lost your soul

Even more tragic and pathetic that you are asking other citizens of the USA to join you among those entities lacking a soul, or the honor and courage that it takes to participate in American democracy.

[I Have A Dream]

29. Hear , hear!

:thumbsup:

[pnorman]

30. I first encountered Dennis at an anti-war rally in Seattle, just shortly before the invasion of Iraq

He was in the crowd around the speakers platform, and I actually exchanged a few friendly words with him. My recollection was that he had a small label on his coat, identifying him as "Dennis Kucinich, Congressman from Ohio". He later took his place at the speakers platform, alongside many others including my own Congressman, Jim McDermott. Dennis gave a most impressive speech as I recall.

A few months later, I was marching by SeaTac airport, in support of striking hotel workers there. Dennis was there too, shaking hands with each and every person on that line. I too, can think of several things "wrong" with him. But the WORST BY FAR, is that he's a little man and has funny ears! (a sure indication of a weak character!)

I too am edgy of ANYTHING that might deflect or sidetrack the upcoming campaign of Obama, and I share the apprehension of many others here. This may be the most significant election since 1932. But Dennis is the REAL DEAL! Bear in mind that more battles are probably LOST by an excess of caution, than by so-called "foolhardiness".

pnorman
On edit: not too long ago on DU, there was another sneering reference to Dennis (perhaps by this same poster?). It referred to his "failure" as mayor of Cleveland. HERE is that so-called "failure":

'Boy Mayor' Kucinich Took Charge in Utility Debt Crisis
Cleveland went bust and ousted him, but his tough stand ultimately reignited his career.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0123-04.htm

[awoke_in_2003]

32. "little man looking for applause"

A little man? He is the ONLY representative that has consistently spoke of impeachment. Because he is the only member of that 435 person body who isn't scared to speak up makes him a bit more than a little man.

[RaleighNCDUer]

50. Boy, the thought of him just terrifies you, doesn't it.

Is that you, Nancy?

[KingOfLostSouls]

104. terrified by kooch

you mean the second coming of ralph nader who actually has gotten less legislation passed is terrifying?

more like became a joke of himself.

[Patchuli]

70. In the politest possible terms

I can say to you, screw you for that: "unwashed and unshaven Whole Foods shoppers/Widespread Panic fans"

That's just plain fucking rude and pretty unnecessary. That's without even addressing the slam on DK, one of the few willing to stand up and speak truth. And if you're actually going to use the term coined by the media in the 1960s, it's 'hippie' NOT 'hippy.' Dork.

[arikara]

85. What an assinine pile

of hogwash.

:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

edit typo

[mdmc]

88. I would take his grandstanding over dlc's triangulation

any day.

But I am also a deadhead, so...

[Patchuli]

101. Can you imagine

what Jerry would say about the shit going on these days?!

[mdmc]

114. "It is obvious that someone has to do something -

it is just fucking pathetic that it has to be us."

I bet he would say something like that...

[mdmc]

89. I would take his grandstanding over dlc's triangulation

any day.

But I am also a deadhead, so...

[Danieljay]

97. Your name title describes you well. You've obviously lost yours by that comment. n/t

[KingOfLostSouls]

103. actually

just woke up to what a pile kooch became when he started speaking kindly of white supremacist ron paul over his fellow democrats.


hows that wool over your eyes doing today.

[mdmc]

117. I love Ron Paul

God Bless his supporters - they will be putting Obama in the white house (by voting for Barr).

[Zhade]

120. There's abundant evidence they lied us into war. Take the Downing Street memo, for starters.

That you deny the basis for impeachment doesn't lessen its truth.

[Zorra]

124. Alex? Alex P. Keaton? Is it really you? n/t

[The Doctor.]

129. ??? Aside from the mind-numbingly unintelligible use of language...

are you a tool in RL too?

That's a whole lot of Right Wing brainwashing in one post.

Kucinich has 'proven' that he's willing to stand up for what is right despite shitheads claiming he's just 'looking for attention'. He's weathered the jeers of fools, the scorn of the media, and the insults of the ignorant and you call him 'a little man looking for applause'?

Well, he has my applause for being the only person to have the courage to do the right thing in the face of so much opposition.

Now, produce some facts to back up the claim that he uses donations to go on vacation, and while you're at it, let's see some quotes from him about 98% of the party not being 'real Democrats'.

Then take a hike.

[HughMoran]

131. So much for "getting it"

You don't actually think Kucinich was thinking that this was going to get very far, do you?

You seem very naive when you make such a "I don't get it" declaration - doh!

[annabanana]

22. Well good on WaPo!

It looks like the "rumors on the internets" reached the necessary decibel.

[Norrin Radd]

23. kr

[Frank Cannon]

24. Hey, Congress

Seventy percent of America can't stand the idiot chimp and his disastrous war. This is your time to finally do your fucking jobs for the people that hired you.

[Rudyabdul]

26. This is a defining moment for the Democratic Party.

The Republicans pettily Impeached a president because he cheated on his wife and lied about it. The Democratic Party have an opportunity to impeach a president who is guilty of a greater crime, deception and murder. Bush's foreign and domestic policies have harmed millions of people and what's so terrible is that he has no remorse, let alone care. Compared to that makes Clinton's crime seem very insignificant.

[awoke_in_2003]

34. I have said it before

but if it will guarantee impeachment proceedings, I will take one for the team and give Bush a blowjob myself.

[tanyev]

42. You are a true patriot , sir.

:patriot:

[awoke_in_2003]

44. Thank you.

I would do it, but nothing would come of it. The media would ignore it- just another republican politician getting some hot man on man love :)

[whistle]

28. That's great, keep these bastards from starting another war with Iran

[impeachem]

39. About time!

[JeanGrey]

40. If he gets one vote I'll be shocked.

[mdmc]

92. Wexler

might toss him a bone.

Actually, I think that a lot of the Black Congressional Caucus and the Progressive Caucus might throw him a bone.

These are still the days of trianulation. It is very hard to do the right thing.

[JeanGrey]

144. I know. But it's a sure bet that Bush isn't going to be impeached,

and I want all of our resources on getting Obama elected!

[disndat]

45. We have to keep up the

pressure to set the stage for Obama's promise of change and keep investigations into the criminal and treasonous activities of the Bush administration while wrapping themselves around the flag of "patriotism." Thank god for Obama. HC would have given the Bushes a free pass. At least with Obama we will have it on record, if northing else.

[Bluenorthwest]

47. Pelosi has been watching

Nancy and Harry were watching all along, and while it is easy to call them names on a website, the fact remains that Dennis Kucinich was rejected by the same voters who embraced candidates who voted for the war, the funding, the Patriot Act, the Energy Bill and so on. Why, I ask you, would any politician listen to people who claim to have a strong opinion when that opinion does not alter their vote? Had Democrats backed Dennis a message would have been sent to the Hill. The message that got sent instead was 'the war bugs us, but we still will vote for those who support it, and reject those who try to end it and refused to fund it.'
The leadership was watching the early primaries and clearly the war is just an issue of rhetoric. If you select a war voter over a peace voter, complaining that the leadership stays in the war game is, in a word, stupid. The votes against Dennis, those were votes for the war. They were all cast for those who funded by request and gave Bush all he could eat.

[DutchLiberal]

48. 35 articles? It took 5 hours to read the resolution? Wow!

"As they have previously, Democratic leaders staunchly oppose Kucinich's impeachment effort. They expect to table the resolution by referring it to the Judiciary Committee, where they expect it to die."

Of course it will die there. Doesn't it always?

Anyway, Congressman Kucinich did the right thing!

[Contradistinction]

49. SIlly

This is going nowhere. Why you guys are all working yourself into a froth over it puzzles me. Impeachment at this point is a really, really dumb idea.

[penndragon69]

57. Impeachement is not a Dumb idea.

Impeachment is mandated by the Constitution ( remember that document ) for criminal actions
against the United States. And it is so clear that the Bush / Chenny cabal is guilty of hundreds of crimes that demand
Impeachment.

The only thing holding it back are a bunch of DLC pricks and Libercrats who lust to retain their power.

[Patchuli]

76. If there are no consequences for lying

a country into war and causing the deaths of thousands of innocents, it'll happen again. Impeachment is NOT a dumb idea. Letting this gang skate is the DUMB idea.

[The Doctor.]

127. Really? Let me tell you what a "Really, really dumb idea" is...

A "Really, really dumb idea" is to do nothing about an executive that has blatantly violated the Constitution.
A "Really, really dumb idea" is to fail to investigate the depth and breadth of the crimes committed by this administration.
A "Really, really dumb idea" is to send a message to future administrations that they can start illegal wars, illegally spy on, incarcerate, and torture anyone... including American citizens, and generally fuck the entire country as a whole with absolutely no consequences to themselves, especially if they do it when 'there are only a few months left'.

A "Really, really dumb idea" is to make such a statement as you have, of all places here on a reality-based message board, in abject ignorance of the circumstances that not only make impeachment a good idea, but also a necessary idea.

Any questions?

[Phred42]

51. Pelosi - Reid and Hoyer MUST be REPLACED ASAP

It is as important to replace these traitors as it is to assure that Obama is elected President

Pelosi-Reid-Hoyer are the Silent Partners of the Reich - they must be removed - before They or the Bush Crime Family can do ANY more damage.

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. Hillary in the Senate and Rahm Emmanuel in the House

;)

[Phred42]

63. Both DLC Republican -lite ! You're kidding, right?

that's the WORST thing that could happen -

By the time those two were finished the Corporate takeover of our Government would be complete

[Freddie Stubbs]

66. Why would over 16 million Democrats vote for a "Republican-lite" for President?

:shrug:

[Phred42]

90. Not sure - Cult members?

Uninformed? People that don't understand all the the Rovian crap she pulled in the last year?

:shrug:



and some Republicans (per Limpballs) sent in to screw things up because the Reich was DESPERATE to run against her.


But then I couldn't explain why there are Union members that vote Republican. Or why anyone that is not a millionaire would.

These are some of the unexplained mysteries of life Grasshopper

[Runcible Spoon]

98. you got me, but it happened.

sad.

[Twist_U_Up]

122. Its not who casts the votes, its who counts them

[The Doctor.]

149. Not everyone is that well informed. Most voters have no idea what the DLC is.

... much less what it represents.

[helderheid]

56. YEA! When will this happen? I want to watch!

[Freddie Stubbs]

67. June 31

;)

[emald]

58. it seems we have a patriot in the congress

just one mind you. Just one person willing to stand up to all this criminal activity. Just one. Our country has taken on the personality of it's pResident and it's an ugly thing. Where the hell is the opposition party? Where is the rule of law? Are the democrats any different than the criminals running the show? Enablers, that is what the demo party has become. You hear that Pelosi? You, madam, are an enabler. You are as responsible as anyone else for your taking the only recourse "off the table". Thanks for that, not.

[ooglymoogly]

60. KR for one of the few patriots left in this country.

They have become an endangered species.

[Dangerously Amused]

61. Thank you Mr. Kucinich, you are my hero.

[mikelgb]

62. ah the judicary... where good bills go to die

[TrogL]

65. This is an interesting procedural move

Remember the flap about the "up-or-down" votes about judicial nominees?

http://www.nationalreview.com/editorial/editors200505131108.asp
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-05-15-oppose_x.htm

Rather than having long drawn out hearings, he just wants to get it done. Now THAT's bloodymindedness.

[Electric Flag]

68. Fuck these spineless Democratic "leaders", every last one of them!

They need to be taken down and dragged out of the way. Have real progressives like Dennis challenge them in their upcoming elections. Why is it that even in the majority, we act like a subservient minority party?? :mad:

[Twist_U_Up]

123. Anthrax maybe the answer

just sayin

[orleans]

75. randi rhodes talked to wexler yesterday (tuesday) and they

pointed out that the articles of impeachment for cheney are still sitting in judiciary (ala republicans fucking with and switching their vote for laughs--remember?)

and that McClellan is gonna testify june 20th, to the judiciary. and depending on what he says, those crash-cart articles of impeachment are still there....waiting to get the dust blown off. they are still ALIVE.

[Wizard777]

78. EXACTLY! The Judiciary committee is where they need to be.

They will only die there if the charges cannot be substantiated.

[Grinchie]

79. CNN Has quickly shunted the story aside in favor of 'Idol' runner-up lands record deal'

Boy was that quick action on behalf of the MSM to bury this story.

They make me want to puke.

That gutless Pelosi has got to be excised, or indicted for whatever skeletons lurk in her closet.

Spineless scum sucking politicians will destroy this country if it's politically expedient.

[LiberalLovinLug]

86. That's one of the problems

The MSM will never take it seriously. If they did, (and that is assuming Nancy and Harry were on board) they would go all out with wild graphics and bold headlines screaming "Democrats declare impeachment war on the Bush administration!". And then have on all the hysterical right wing "guests" on to laugh at the Dems and call them crazy.

And they would lose the GE.

They gave up the braver battle when Nancy Pelosi uttered those five fateful words, "Impeachment is OFF the table" Actually it should have been attempted before that, even in a losing cause, which isn't much different than how a present attempt would end. They should have raised hell about the Downing Street Memo, the Plame affair, the illegal wire-taps,...walked out in a massive huff when their impeachment motion was voted down by Repukes, caused a ruckus so loud that those "guests" would not know whether to laugh themselves off their stools, or turn beet red and explode! It should have been us against them, good against evil, you're with us or against us, dictatorship or the constitution. And if the Repuke lapdogs in the MSM did the predictable and did not facilitate in getting the facts out to the public and instead allowed the story to be painted as a case of the vindictive ultra lefty whackos of the Democratic party taking over...

they MIGHT lose the GE

But they would save the constitution.

but they MIGHT lose the GE


Nancy and Harry and the rest of the DLC did not want to have to wait until 2012 for power. Because if they had, and continued to, blast this criminal administration for its crimes daily, eventually the MSM would have to come around because they would be forced to look into those charges if the WHOLE FREAK'IN DEMOCRATIC PARTY was up in arms, all day long, every day!

And then not only would the Republicans lose badly in 2012, but they would have nails rammed into their coffin for decades to come, when those brave Democrats led by the likes of Dennis Kucinich would be proven right, and history would show how those few, those brave, those loud, saved America from fascist demise.

Unfortunately the DLC chose instead to fight not for moral victory, but for immediate political victory.

And this is the kicker...there is no other party alternative for us Kucinich supporters...and the DLC know it. We must now stop the bickering and shut-up and and go for the power, and hope that some kind of backwards engineering can still be done to repair the constitution. But personally I think it is damaged in part, beyond repair. Precedents have been set unchallenged.

That is why Kucinich's effort will be for naught. Other than to scribe into the records, the horse has left the stable. And because it is a means without ends, it will only lose us some votes in the GE. It will take away votes from the independents who are drawn to Obama's 'working together' mantra. So at this point, unfortunately, its counter-productive. I am sorry to have to say that, really I am.

But just as Clinton supporters must give up their dream of a woman in the Whitehouse, and pick up an Obama sign, so must Democrats drop the hopeless quest for a Bush impeachment this year.

Now war crime charges AFTER he leaves office is another thing!

[eppur_se_muova]

81. Contact members of the House Judiciary Committee (links):

http://judiciary.house.gov/Committeemembership.aspx

Click on any member's name to get a contact page.

Contact page for the Committee:
http://judiciary.house.gov/contact.aspx

[FirstLight]

83. Wait, if it goes to a vote...then we will know Who voted YES/NO

...isn't that a huge thing too? because then we can work on the specifics of who is truly enabling and who has balls and brains to know that this is just plain wrong, what this admin has done and is doing.

I have some friends who are of the mindset, "It's almost over." "Just let his term end."
what they don't seem to understand is that there is precedent here - if this group of criminals gets off, then our constitution may as well be toilet paper.
Not only that - but these guys (*, et al) have NO intention of letting us even HAVE an election. The things they are capable of are too frightening, especially when you look at media coverage of "truth" or "reality" and the shit they spin out of that white house.
sorry, had to say it :tinfoilhat::hide:

[kmac3]

91. Bravo Kucinich

Pelosi needs to be removed from her position.  She has been
totally ineffective and shown no grit. Impeachment procedures
should have been started in  2007 . . . instead we have
allowed Bush to continue to stomp on the Constitution.

[Fovea]

94. Welcome to DU

I agree wholeheartedly.

[mcollier]

95. Make the call to the speakers office and other leaders

it feels good. Do something!

[Fovea]

100. My Congressman's office is right up the street

They know me, but they do not love me much.

[freestyle]

99. What purpose does impeachment serve with 7 months to go?

Even if Kucinich is somehow successful in the House, and the Senate votes to convict, the penalty is removal from office and a bar to holding future office. This serves little purpose at this point. Let's focus on electing Democrats and making sure everyone knows how fully McCain embraces Bush. I appreciate having a list of Bush's offenses, but impeachment proceedings now are a waste of time.

[KingOfLostSouls]

106. Shhh

the unwashed masses are frothing over about it. lil dennis is making noise again, gotta keep those donations rolling in for him.


once obama is president, then its time to begin war crimes proceedings. but kooch's grandstanding is like you said, pointless at this point. better to focus on keeping the chimp shut down legislatively than anything else, then deal with him once he's out of office.

[LiberalLovinLug]

111. Cut the insults

As you can see from my response above, I agree with you on your main point ie. that it is pointless, even counter-productive. But calling him 'kootch' and claiming he is 'grandstanding' for more vacation money for him and shopping trips for his trophy wife, makes taking you seriously a difficult chore.

I believe if you took a poll, most DU'ers would say that Kucinich's actions are coming from the right place. From a place that most real Democrats hold dear to their hearts, that of doing the right thing by holding accountable those criminals in the White House. Maybe its impossible for you to fathom such a being who is also a politician. Will he score some donations to his future campaigns by being so brazen? Of course. But you fail to also note the derision from the right he will also face which will more than counter balance any gains with the far left (who probably don't have a lot to give anyways) with a drop in donations from independents who think he is 'grandstanding' and with the MSM's help, cementing his place as an isolated 'looney leftwinger'.

[jespwrs]

115. The best way

to shut the chimp down is to impeach his ass. Legislatively he has already set up a "legal" attack on the Iranian Guard by classifying them as a "terrorist organization", which, legislatively, gives him carte blanch to do whatever the fuck he wants in that situation. That's just one of many possibilities of shenanigans that he could pull before he leaves office. No one has been able to shut him down legislatively for the last 7 and a half years as he doesn't care what the legislative branch says or does. So what makes you think the chimp's gonna change in the final 6 months with a track record of ignoring the legislative branch for his entire time as chief dumbass in charge? He has consistently ignored the law and I think is at his most dangerous now with nothing to lose, setting things up to try and make it as hard as possible to repair the damage he has done.

Read the list of shit he's pulled. I guarantee he's got a few things to add before he leaves town.

And another thing: It sounds like you're more interested in shutting up Kucinich than preventing more Bush crimes. Do you know Dennis Kucinich? You sound like a right wing blogger the way you refer to him "grandstanding" and just trying to get donations so he and his wife can go on vacation. He is the only congressman who consistently stands up for justice and peace and he has done so his whole career. Yet you question his integrity. Why don't you pick on the millionaire democrats who have voted the fear line to keep their donations rolling in, voted for the war because they didn't have the balls to stand up and risk losing powerful rich friends. Dennis stood up to corporate power in Cleveland despite it costing him the office of mayor. If he's chasing donations, I can think of some much more effective measures, many of which you can find if you look at the way the rest of Washington goes about getting donations.

And to let you respond with out your seemingly requisite insults, I took a shower this morning, I have a job, and I hate Widespread Panic.

[KingOfLostSouls]

139. I know it takes a lot of brain power to get this

but kooch doesn't have the votes to do it. thats not the point, its that the main focus right now should be making sure john mccain doesn't get into office. you could vote to impeach him all you want, the conviction won't pass the senate. at this point its just kooch looking for donations after his campaign of embracing white supremacist ron paul.


getting barack obama elected president is going to prevent a mccain presidency in which we will NEVER see anything happen to bush. but you idiots are too stupid to grasp the concept that even kooch knows its just symbolic. he'd still need to get 2/3rds of the senate to vote to convict on it and THEN vote to remove him from office. good luck on that, I can just see mitch mcconnell lining the troops up behind.


oh wait, you must not have known that part of US Congressional abilities, that you need 2/3rds vote in the senate to convict and vote to remove from office. oops.

[jespwrs]

146. My

You are a shortsighted prick aren't you.

[RedLetterRev]

110. Umm,

protecting the Constitution is a waste of time? Please don't take this as a flame -- that isn't my intent. But I'm compelled to answer the question posed. For all I know, you might agree with the Resident who says it's "just a goddam piece of paper". That most certainly isn't how I feel. I rather doubt that's how you feel as well. But there is more to it than just giving the Resident a punishment he so richly deserves. Much, more more is at stake.

My family history runs 7 to 11 generations deep on this soil; the pursuit of genealogy has made me absorb a lot of history. Reading the wills and letters handed down from the Revolutionary era really set the tone of how precious a document the Constitution is, and how tenuous the rule of law it provides really is. The Founders and Framers honestly went through purest hell to put it together and to leave us with the tools within it to protect it -- and the Bill of Rights it contains. It has been preserved and improved over 200+ years. It isn't perfect, but it's all we have that defines what "America" is. Again, the Constitution is the one and singular thing that makes America "America".

The least we could do for the Founders and Framers and for ourselves (in a manner of enlightened self-preservation at worst) is to stick to the contract laid out between government and the governed. Yes, the neocons broke the deal, but we have the means, the right and the responsibility to seek redress. I'm not giving that right up so easily. If you let go of one right, the neocons will grab five others. See how they've operated thus far.

From where I sit, it isn't the flag, nor a Bible, nor a pledge that makes America "America". The only thing that does is the Constitution. When we've completely given up on that and have relenquished our grip, the Great Experiment in Democracy will be over and America will be something else entirely. And I'm not sure I'd like that very much. I even less like the idea of some future neocon taking the precedents and tools the Chimp is leaving behind and expanding the Big Brother theocratic oligarchy in an even more flagrant manner ("43 did thus and so, got away with it and nobody said 'boo', so I have every right to do that and more, too").

If that doesn't give one the shudders, nothing ever will.

I get really riled when folks make such a big frickin' deal over the pledge or the flag. Keep this in mind: when a symbol of freedom is raised in regard above freedom itself, then freedom itself is lost and evermore unobtainable. More to the point, it is way, way past time to make a fuss over the trampling of the law, the Constitution, and everything that makes America the "land of the free and home of the brave". To lie back while atrocities continue in our names is absolutely equal IMHO to enabling them to continue.

If you walked into your home and some dude had trashed the place, gone through your private emails and bills, copied your account numbers, stolen your cash and checkbook, taken food from the kitchen shelves, and was walking out with the last of your stuff, would you say, "Oh, let him go. He'll be completely gone in a few minutes."? If not, why would you treat your government any differently? The way your government abides by or ignores the law absolutely you and your daily life.

Sauce for the goose is gravy for the gander. If the citizenry must abide by the law so must the government that governs by consent of the governed. They is us. Are we a thoughtful, law-abiding people or not? If we are, in fact, a thoughtful and law-abiding people, then it is part-and-parcel our responsibility that our government be equally thoughtful and law-abiding.

It's true that the measure probably won't pass. But not to try is to surrender, to cease respecting American law, tradition and values.

I'm sorry and I apologize if that upsets you, but I feel very strongly about everything this means both in a historical perspective and to the legacy we're to leave our children and grandchildren. The Constitution was handed down to us to protect, uphold and defend. What will future generations say when they read that we had the chance to keep it, then just let it go?

[Zhade]

116. A true hero, who understands his SWORN DUTY to hold these criminals accountable.

Would that the rest of the cowards in Congress who are letting criminals walk would wake up to the precedent they're setting.

Dems failed to impeach reagan and poppy bush, and that led directly - directly - to the very same criminals (cheney, powell, rumsfeld, feith, ahbrams, perle, hastings - the list goes on and on) taking office under this current monster.

It seems that accountability is truly dead.

[NorthCarolina]

126. Looks to me that if you want integrity in Congress an great place to start would be

Kucinich as Speaker instead of Pelosi. I think he has more than aptly demonstrated his aptitude for that job.

[HughMoran]

130. Even if this just ends up as a symbolic act, I think it was a very successful activity

Kudos to Kucinich for doing this in the face of opposition even from his own party.

I even heard about this on NPR this afternoon - at least it has made the mainstream and more people are aware of what he has attempted to do.

[bjobotts]

133. This effort will go down in History for all time like the ride of Paul Reverre

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

136. Thank you for your courage Dennis and Elizabeth Kucinich

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CCpegeTfUNw

[biermeister]

138. link to roll call

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll401.xml

Nice to see a couple of repubs, including Ron Paul, supporting Kucinich

[jjr5]

142. Can I just ask a question?

ARE THE DEMOCRATS (in congress) CRAZY?!?!?! Loco-motive, that's all I have to say.

[Triana]

143. Are they "lawmakers" or criminal enablers?

I think the latter, except for Rep. Kucinich of course.

[raystorm7]

145. Kucinich says GRRRRR!