Citing History, Bush Suggests His Policies Will One Day Be Vindicated

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Source: The Washington Post

He's in Poland in 1939 as Nazi tanks advance on Warsaw, then flying with his Navy-pilot father to battle imperial Japan. He's alongside Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, William McKinley on his deathbed and Franklin D. Roosevelt on D-Day. He lingers with Harry S. Truman, another U.S. president deeply unpopular in his time.

President Bush leaps forward as well, envisioning a distant future in which Iraq is a tranquil democracy, Palestinians live peaceably alongside Israelis and terrorism is a tactic of the past.

"Imagine if a president had stood before the first graduating class of this academy five decades ago and told the Cadet Wing that by the end of the 20th century, the Soviet Union would be no more, communism would stand discredited and the vast majority of the world's nations would be democracies," Bush urged graduates at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs nearly two weeks ago.

"It's all he has left," said Millsaps College history professor Robert S. McElvaine, who conducted the survey for the History News Network of George Mason University. "When your approval ratings are down around 20 to 28 percent and the candidate of your own party is trying to hide from being seen with you, history is your only hope."

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/08/AR2008060802255.html?hpid=topnews

[jimshoes]

1. Not unless he writes it himself

it won't. Criminal.

[kestrel91316]

16. Me, The Preznit.........by Dubya Bush

I can see excerpts now:
"..........I wuz preznit for ate yeers. It wuz kool. I got tuh drink every day (the reely expensive stuff)......."

".......Laura liked it to. She got lots of expensive close and got her pikcher in the papers a lot......."

".......I saved Iraq and Amurka and Afgannistan from the terraist. Got to drop lots of bombs and shoot lots of ragheads. USA! USA! USA! (heh heh, jes kidding)......."

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. His policies will be remembered

as the disasters they were. All I see is his worth as President (and a human being) going down after the judgment of history.

[sinkingfeeling]

3. "And just imagine if a president had stood .... a decade ago and told them that at the end of

that decade the United States of America would be the most hated nation on earth, would be floundering in its own democracy, and had betrayed its citizens for the glory of empire."

[Diclotican]

31. sinkingfeeling

sinkingfeeling

If that have been told a decade ago, no one in their right mind would believe it... The eight year of mr Bush have been more than just distressful, it have been a totally loss of everything US once stand for.. Every principle that US was, are destroyed.. Ever single moral standing the US once had, because it was one of the main force who shaped the world after WW2.. Is almost destroyed and are living because other parts of the world do believe in the principles, that US was helping the world to understand after Europe TWICE in one century tried their best to destroy eatchother. United States of America, was one of the power to get the war thing little more silized, You know Geneva-conventions International Law and the likes.....

I hope, for the sake of the world peace that the next president would do more to try to fix what is wrong... I hope the next president would do more to assure that we, their allied would be listed to, even that we would disagree about many thing the US was feeling was important for them to do..

The next president would have to do a herculean job, not just to get their own country up the road again, but to get the rest of the world to understand that the eight year of mr Bush was a HUGE mistake the american had learn a lot from... I would be very sure, that it is not enough, just to get mr Bush out of office, You have to purge the whole government from the neo-conservative disease it is.. You have to get the biggest criminals where they belong, in a trial, where they should be convicted, and send to prison, or if you choose, been hang by their neck... US stands in the world after WW2 was in part because instead of just clinch the german war criminals up in the best tree, you choose to get them a trial, where the evidence of their crimes was given to all to se. The Nuremberg trial papers are still document the world could learn from, when it came to what a regime can do. After the conviction, the 12 who was judged to be war criminals, and the worst of the worst, was hang one after one.. Today we would maybe not have hang them, but compared to the world that was before, it was a great leap forward in international justice.. United States of America have to do something like that when it come to trials against your own current administration... You don't need to hang them, but to send them to trial, every one of the criminal bastards.. And then if proven guilty judged to be send to prison, or what ever criminal law US wanted to use against the criminals..

Then, maybe then, US could stand tall again, and know that the rest of the world also was standing WITH US again... Because US have proven that they war capable of taking care of their own criminals... Even if the criminals was in the center of their goverment...

Then we could also manage to build up what is wrong, and get down to the work of getting rid of terrorism in this world.. We all know that terrorism is something that we _need_ to attack from many different angles.. Not just from the angle of bombing some 3 world nation, but also to build up the nations who are ravaged by war, famine and who are dirt poor and can't possible manage to get their own up the hill to more prosperity... What we need, are a International form of the Marshall plan. where the tools of war, would be used to help the poorest country's in the world... Then maybe just maybe we can build that better world we do want in our heart... One brick of the time... It would not be easy, it would take long time just to get it underway.. But with support from all nations who are capable of working together, we as an human race can do it... I believe it, many others still believe in it... But we need a steam engine who can go forward, and US can be that steam engine.. But then they should hurry, if they are not there when the train finally are out the station, it could be sitting back, and not be there when the rest of the world are working together for a common goal...

Please do the right thing, vote in a President who can se longer than their own nose.. And who understand that if they wanted help when attached, they have to treat their friends with little more respect than the current administration have shown...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[NYC Liberal]

4. Get in line behind Pierce, Harding, etc. Bush!

The only way this criminal is getting 'vindicated' is if....well, there's really no way actually.

[xxqqqzme]

11. Well, Pierce is a

descendant. His (shudder)mother's maiden name was Pierce. Pierce was also an alcoholic - do we see a pattern here.

[truthisfreedom]

5. This man's policies and accomplishments were supposed to have a positive effect in the here and now.

He didn't do the job he was hired to do.

He wasn't hired to make history. He was hired to run a country. Not run it into the ground, like he did with EVERY OTHER BUSINESS HE OPERATED ALL HIS LIFE.

[JDPriestly]

6. Instead of Lincoln, McKinley, Roosevelt and Truman,

he will be remembered as is Herbert Hoover -- a fool and a failure. New Orleans is probably the most shameful event since our country began. How could we just abandon the people of New Orleans to their fate?

Iraq is downright criminal. But presidents have committed criminal acts against other countries before without going down in infamy. But the lack of leadership with regard to New Orleans is pretty unique.

The use of torture is another absolutely shameful act by the Bush administration that history will resoundingly condemn. And then, of course, the Bush administration's refusal to obey the law, it's mismanagement of the economy and the corruption which has reached unprecedented levels will also be remembered as hallmarks of the Bush government. No, Bush is just wishing that he could have been something he did not have the courage or character to be.

[Retrograde]

21. Hey, don't malign Hoover!

He was a self-made man, well-traveled, author of a standard textbook in his field, and translator (from Latin) of another seminal work. He was responsible for notable relief work in Europe after WWI, and after the Mississippi floods of 1927 set up relief aid and actually got things accomplished, unlike Bush in 2005.

He had his faults, of course, and his approach of having most relief come through private channels was not suitable for the Depression. Bush, on the other hand, has no accomplishments to set off against his abject failure as a president. The only presidents that come close to Bush's so-called achievements are Harding and ... can't think of another.

[El Supremo]

7. History is written by the victors...

and you are a LOSER!

William McKinley??

[navarth]

8. He'll be a sloppy drunk again in a few years and everything will be fine for him.

Jenna and Barbara will make up stories for him while he plays with his toy soldiers. They won't be letting him clear brush anymore...can't be trusted with power tools.

[El Supremo]

9. Well, Franklin Pierce said...

after leaving office, "I guess all there is left to do is drink." And he did until his liver killed him.

[indepat]

10. Scarily delusional or maybe just a pathologic liar?

:shrug:

[ellenfl]

12. both? eom

[opihimoimoi]

13. We don't have to wait for History...the RESULTS tell us very clearly what an ASSHOLE PREZ we got NOW

Loser Boozer who wishes to be remembered as a Winner

Try as he might but

Ends up in History as a WHINER

[grytpype]

14. He didn't plan for the 60 days after the invasion, but he thinks 60 years of history will save him.

What a self-deluded scumbag.

[EstimatedProphet]

15. You misspelled "vindictive" in the post title.

[jeff30997]

17. Wow.

I knew he was insane but this guy needs a straitjacket ASAP!

Here,calm down and put this on Mr.Lincoln,FDR,Napoleon or whoever you believe you are:




(I hope he doesn't start to believe he's Harry Houdini!)

[martymar64]

33. As soon as he's out of the WH

He'll be drunker than Jim Lahey!

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

18. Well he's been right about everything else......

[pattmarty]

19. By who? It'll have to be by someone with fascist tendencies.......

.... Maybe Irving Kristol's grandson (son of idiot "William"), or the "offspring" of John (brain dead) Podhoretz, or Michelle Malkin (can "she" even have kids?), or maybe the son/daughter of Ann Coulter......... Naw, she's a fucking alien (the outer space kind, just look at "her" adams apple).:sarcasm:

[defendandprotect]

20. If there is any justice in the world, Bush will end his days in prison . . .

[bdamomma]

24. the man is just sick, mentally out of control.

so is Cheney too.


old interview article but holds true today, Dr. Justin Frank where are you? get a panel together and get this man committed.


http://www.larouchepub.com/other/interviews/2006/3314justin_frank.html

George Bush Is a Very Destructive Man;
He Needs To Be Removed From Office

Dr. Justin A. Frank, a Washington, D.C.-based psychoanalyst and Professor of Psychiatry at George Washington University Medical School, was interviewed by Jeffrey Steinberg on March 26, 2006. Dr. Frank is the author of the bestselling book, Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President (HarperCollins: hardcover 2004, paperback 2005).

just a snip:

My clinical sense of him is that he is a man who is compromised by a couple of things:

One is by learning disabilities, which makes it hard for him to read, and therefore hard for him to visualize and anticipate events.

He is also compromised by his long history of alcoholism. That has led him to see the world in black and white, and for him to have to use black-and-white thinking, in order to manage his anxiety—and everything makes him anxious. So, he has to surround himself with people who agree with him, who see things the way he does, and who never question him.

Both of these problems—his difficulty processing information and his need to manage his anxiety by seeing the world in black and white—make him impervious to criticism, and he blocks out anything that he doesn't like. So he actually attacks reality; he attacks material reality in ways that I have not seen, except occasionally with President Reagan.

I've never seen anybody so distort external reality the way Bush does. What he does not like, he just closes his eyes to. He's sort of like an ostrich, who puts his head in the sand, only he puts his head in the Crawford desert sand.

The other thing he does when he's anxious, is that he dissociates, which means that he switches off part of his mind, and disconnects in order to manage anxiety. Disturbing news is like water going off a duck's back; if you saw the pictures of him in the " 9/11" movie by Michael Moore, reading the book when he was told about the attack on the Twin Towers, you see a kind of vague, glazed look in his eyes. And you see the same thing when he's being briefed about the Katrina flood, the day before it happened: He has a way of disconnecting inside, whenever he's flooded with anxiety he cannot manage.

[defendandprotect]

46. I agree, but many who came before them of the same

ideology/agenda may have seemed a bit more normal, but just as mentally ill, IMO ---

[TheWraith]

22. "Captain of RMS Titanic says life raft shortage necessary, will be vindicated in history."

Seriously, this guy is his own parody these days.

[Javaman]

23. Well, if we slide completely in to fascism, then sure that future dictator

will look upon moron* as a fucking genius.

[Jack Rabbit]

25. On the other hand . . .

. . . just because Harry Truman is viewed more favorably by posterity than he was by his contemporaries doesn't mean that every unpopular president will be so lucky.

Bush won't be. Lying the nation into an unnecessary war, unilateral abrogation of treaty obligations, environmental blight and neglect of global warming, trashing the Constitution and ruining the US economy are the pillars of his legacy. There's nothing good to be had there. No hint of it.

[Amonester]

36. He will also be remembered as...

The Torture pResident ****WARNING: GRAPHICS****

Who would have thought such a clueless despot would have ever succeeded at robbing everything the U.S. worked for??

[Stephanie]

26. How can we disabuse him of this notion? I don't want him comforting himself with this belief.

I want him to suffer, I want him to know he'll be despised, mocked, ridiculed forever, known throught history as the Worst President EVER.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

27. Maybe Andy Card will follow him to Paraguay...

...and return to his former duties of preparing a daily "Happy News DVD" culled from Fox News Praise Reports of how Bush fights the war on terra like a kick-ass cowboy.

I get the concept of "daily executive briefings" for executives who are actually doing their jobs, but in Junior's case, it was filtering, plain and simple.

The reality is that the 20% or so of the "base" will pay him to be on some company's Board of Directors, and he'll get lucrative speaking engagements, and his "coffers" will be full at all times.

I really, really, really do not believe that he cares. He's egotistical and a narcissist, but couple that with a guy who is severely delusional and you have George W. Bush, the guy who does not care.

:patriot:

[PATRICK]

28. Vindication?

I doubt many leaders of this era will be vindicated much about anything, but if it truth and justice he wants, I hope he gets it to the max, in print and celluloid, 4 x 6 cell, scaffold and rope, the whole enchilada.

Be careful what you wish for. The legacy of the future would love to get its hands on this crew and exact a small measure of justice compared to the horrendous evils and loss of life and liberty they have condemned posterity to just by sitting in the stolen WH on their blood soaked hands.

[jmowreader]

29. The first part I don't really get

Seeing as how his grandfather was bankrolling the Nazis, and his dad fought in the Pacific Theater of Operations so he wouldn't accidentally run up against Prescott's business partners, are we really supposed to believe Brave Sir Robin would have led a tank battle against the Wehrmacht?

[angstlessk]

30. can Augustus Caesar take credit for Rome today???

just askin cause I can!

[Diclotican]

32. angstlessk

angstlessk

In the centre of Rome, you can still se the marks of Augustus, and the other Emperors who followed in more than 1000 year... So I guess in some prospect, Octavian, Gaius, Casar Augustus do can take some credit for the Rome of today.. Even that the Rome he was given, was rather different from the Rome of today. As others who have been in power in this "eternal" City can say they to have given their marks to how Rom have been build, by the century of peoples.. Even many of the other sides of Rom, are still living and kicing both in Europe and in many other nations in the world.. The world would be an verry different world, if it was not for what Rome was given the rest of the world...

But in many way, the Old Rom of yesterday, is still dere, in the ground of the living Rom.. So yes, in very many ways Augustus of 14 AD could take credit for what have become of Rom even today.. Without the Emperor who clothed his regime in the colour of the Republic, who he flighted, and destroyed because the empire needed something more than a corrupt Republic...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[angstlessk]

34. I am truly the sorry one, english is my native AND ONLY language

of course all the Caesars had a very lasting influence on rome...the HOME of their rule, I did not use a very good analogy, now did I?

[Diclotican]

35. angstlessk

angstlessk

The analogy are somewhat stumbling I would say;). But I do understand what you meant then;)

The Roman emperors (in fact the Augustus was for the Emperor alene (a title sort of) and the Casar was for the "crown prince" aka the person the Emperor was designated for the next emperor when he died.. But it would not always work out that way.. Octavian himself have to point to more than 5 personer, before he finally choose his "victim". And the poor man had to divorce the woman in his life that he truly love to, Tiberius was indeed a lonely emperor, even that he have to his power everything he wanted, or needed.. But he never forget the true love in his life.. He had to marriage a younger douthter of Octavian, to get him "Inside the familiy".. But Julia was not exactly happy about getting a man, double the age she was.. And if the rumor is true, she tried at one time to get his elder husband killed... And specially after that was proven, and she was evinced to an island.. The old man was more and more bitter... And he in the end hated Rom and everything the city stand for.. And lived out his life on Capri. And compared to many of his peers he was a really old man when he died...


My native language is norwigian... Aka from Norway. A Small country in the north of Europe. But no, we don't live with Polar Bears, they are not native to Norway;).. Even that many do believe it.. And we have not "that problems" with trolls either.. They are a part of our mythology..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[angstlessk]

37. but I bet you DO sauna and then run into the snow...that is the 'mythology'

I think of when I think of the Scandanavian countries..to which I believe???? (correct me if I am wrong) Norway belongs??

Anyway, you have quite a knowledge of Roman history. Is that your specialty? Or just your hobby?

P.S. I am attempting correct Engilsh in order not to confuse you...because English is plenty confusing!

P.S.S. ... is not in English lit..only on forums....

on edit: ...IS in English lit...but not the way we use it in forums.

[Diclotican]

40. angstlessk

angstlessk

We Can do it if we want;).. I have doing that once.. Was pretty cold in the snow, and dam warm when inside the sauna again.. But it is said to be healthy then.. Even that I am not sure about it... But that is more like a Finish thing to do. Finland have a much stronger tradition to use the sauna than we do.. And yes, Norway are part of Scandinavia.. Norway, Denmark and Sweden are, if you are very stiffy about it, Scandinavia. Finland and Iceland is part of the larger Scandinavia, something we call Norden. But they are all part of "the larger family we call Scandinavia" too:) For the world outside our part of the world, the name Scandinavia have been stuck.. And Finland, Sweden Norway Denmark and Iceland have been nittet into the name..

Well, it have been my interest for many years.. Have read about the old emperors as long as I could read a book... Home was blessed with a lot of books.. So it was natural to read where I was growing up.. And we had a lot of books, include books about the roman empire then.. Well, I have always been interesting in History in general.. Both old and new... No professional, just a hobby I have.. At some time we had more than 5000 books home.. With all type of books it was then.. From paperback to that book we allmoust never tutched becouse it was to expencive to read:P. I for one have allways been found of books, and have today more books home, than I have Bookplace to...

Yes, English is indeed difficult to learn. And even if you managed to learn correct "school english" outside the classroom, it is amazing how native english can use the language to get thing around.. Both correct, and otherwise.. Sometimes I have a hard time to understand what people is saying.. Because they are using sentences, and dialect I have never experienced before... Specially American english can be hard to "understand":. British english are far more easy to understand.. All the time that is what we do learn in shcool...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[Killy]

38. Remembered as a history lesson.

History will revile Bush, but remember him as the greatest teacher in what NOT to do in politics. He's the very example of what fails and what doesn't work in politics and in government in general.

[Thor_MN]

41. I think you hit the nail one the head. * confuses revile and vindicate because they both start

with V... :crazy:

[and-justice-for-all]

39. Attempts to create a fascist police state...

how fucking memorable.

Fuck off W and take that Dick with you!

[lunatica]

42. If neo-cons stage the final act of the coup in November , yes he'll be 'right'

He'll be honored immensely for doing his part on the first legs of the coup. Stealing the election in 2000, making corportions disproportionately powerful, creating wars base on lies, shredding the Constitutionally based separation of powers and of the church and state, as well as taking everyone's rights away.


If McCain becomes President then he'll start the cannonization of George W. Bush, the Second Coming of St. Ronny and the father of the American Empire.

[sakabatou]

43. ...

[appal_jack]

44. nah, he was just mispronounciating 'indicted'

Edit to say K&R.

The world must know that we have a deluded psychopath as Preznit.

-app

[darue]

45. bush has done NOTHING to help Iraq but did make it 1000 times worse.

Iraq would be 1000 times better today if fucking Saddam had stayed and we'd lifted the embargo and undertaken a policy of constructive engagement. what a pathetic fool this god damn evil fucking bush is. they're going to have to bury this piece of shit in an unmarked grave.

[LynnTheDem]

47. Sure they will.

Bet Adolf is waiting for the same.

:rofl: