As pictures released, Bush says life of Saddam's sons "ended in justice"

[Nambe]

(Livonia, Michigan-AP)

President Bush says the brutal careers of Saddam Hussein's sons "ended in justice" -- thanks to the U-S military.

And he says Iraqis have now "seen clearly" that America will make sure Saddam's regime never returns.

The president spoke at a defense plant in Michigan two days after Odai (oh-DY') and Qusai (koo-SY') Hussein were killed in a firefight with U-S forces. ---

In Washington, Vice President Cheney said the deaths show that killers loyal to the previous regime are being "systematically dealt with."

Banish bush From Texas Too

[saigon68]

1. WHAT A SORRY MOTHER FUCKER

JUSTICE MY ASS-- IT WAS A CONTRACT KILLING.

[Cocoa]

2. note to teachers and parents:

please explain to your students and children that Bush is an idiot. Then explain to them what justice really means in America, despite what the idiot said.

While you're at it, tell them not to listen to any of Donald Rumsfeld history lessons.

[dfong63]

10. what american justice used to mean

included the concepts of habeas corpus, the presumption of innocence, due process, right to legal representation, right to confront witnesses, trial by jury of peers, presentation of evidence, and more.

does bush*'s latest idiotic pronouncement leave any doubt as to WHO it is that "hates our freedoms"?

[koopie57]

13. this is so odd that you mention

Dummy Rummy's history lesson. Today I had a late lunch and had no one to visit with so I picked up the August 2003 Glamour magazine. It had a tiny corner of celebrities doing good with their money and wouldn't you know it, there was the "glamourous" Lynn Cheney. Apparently she offered a million dollar award to the best American history book. I wonder if that gave them the rights to amend it as seen fit?

[Cocoa]

15. even odder that you mentioned Mrs. Big Time

I emailed her about this very thing!

Here it is; she hasn't answered yet...

Subj: American Revolution vs. Iraq
Date: 7/1/03 11:53:13 AM Central Daylight Time
From:
To: [e-mail]


Dear Mrs. Cheney,

Donald Rumsfeld made some comparisons between the current situation in Iraq and the early years of our own nation. I understand that he is not a historian by profession, but I still think that history, especially American history, should not be so drastically distorted.

I'm also open to the possibility that that comparison is in fact valid, as improbable as it seems on its face. Would you please share your professional opinion on Sec. Rumsfeld's analysis?

Thank you very much,

[dArKeR]

28. Has all of America gone insane or just the pResident and the GOP?

Justice: Evidence; Warrant; Trial; Conviction. (Teach your children because the Bush and the media are INSANE!

DId Junior mention the 14 year old grandson!

What about why these guys we're captured to lead us to the nuclear material, chemical weapons, biological weapons, where Saddam is hiding, links to Al Qaeda (Who are planning attacks to kill Americans. Therefore, is Junior responsible if more Americans die in terrorists attacks because these sons weren't interogated?)

It's just insane what Junior has ordered from any perspective: Military, Intelligence, Moral, Justice, Terrorism...

The only perspective which makes sense is the whole thing was made up by Junior and they already know the answers. They made it all up.

[LauraK]

3. I suppose Paul Wellstone's life 'ended in justice' too....

you blood thirsty, ammoral idiot! Now our children know the meaning of justice is to murder your enemies. Now our teachers will need hazzard pay.

[whathappened]

4. ya and anybody

esle that gets in there way , this is b.s. , how do we no when these people were killed and who they are , i didnt reconize them as being sadams 2 sons by these pictures and dont it take dna longer to fine out who they are , this dont mean a thing , and to show these pictures on tv are nothing but a cruch to shore of jr. and all his ass back words things he has done , they acted like they were on a deer hunt on this one , and what about the 14 yr. old who was also killed in the gun fight

[Maddy McCall]

5. the new catchphrase for the admin="justice"

Add it to "freedom loving Americans," "fighting for freedom," etc.

Just like the others, he figures that if he repeats it enough, the sheeple will believe it.

[Wwagsthedog]

6. Never Forget...........

............what justice means to the monsters who head our government. Saddam's sons might have been very bad people but this killing (if it wasn't faked) was staged in a lame & vicious attempt to deflect public opinion from a series of horrible crimes.

[dflprincess]

7. Cowboy George at it again

This whole thing with the pictures makes me think of when someone like Billy the Kid or one of the James Gang would get killed and the body would be put on display for the local townsfolk (and pictures taken if there was a photographer.) They authorities did the same kind of thing the gangsters in the 1930's. The proud lawmen would all gather around the corpse of Clyde or Bonnie or whoever and have their pictures taken.

I'm sure the only regrets that Bush* and Rummie have is that they couldn't pose with the bodies.

[benfranklin1776]

22. Oh the crackerbrain would if he could........

.....and then he would use at as a campaign fundraising photo as his ardent supporters are doing with his taxpayer financed codpiece exhibition on the aircraft carrier. He has no shame, nor any respect or even a basic and rudimentary understanding of what justice is. Once upon a time we had leaders in this country who did. In the aftermath of World War II Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson argued strenuously and successfully to President Truman against the summary executions of captured Nazis even though we had the power and the might to do so without question. Jackson recognized that were we to do so we would erode whatever moral authority we possessed in the eyes of the world. He said, rather cogently and applicably to the current situation :

“We could execute or otherwise punish them without a hearing. But undiscriminating executions or punishments without definite findings of guilt, fairly arrived at, would ... not set easily on the American conscience or be remembered by our children with pride.” "The only appropriate course is to determine the innocence or guilt of the accused after a hearing as dispassionate as the times and horrors we deal with will permit, and upon a record that will leave our reasons and motives clear.”

* * * * *

“The president of the United States has no power to convict anyone. He can only accuse. He cannot arrest in most cases
without judicial authority. Therefore, the accusation made carries no weight in an American trial whatsoever. These declarations are an accusation and not a conviction. That requires a judicial finding. Now we could not be parties to setting up a formal judicial body to ratify a political decision to convict. Then judges will have to inquire into the evidence and give an independent decision.”

So despite the codpiece cowboy's desire to play Lone Ranger, he has no legal authority to execute anyone on his word alone, especially since the executive order banning assasinations, which is clear and unambigous on its face remains operative. If John Walker Lindh can be sent to jail for twenty years for violating an executive order (which is what he pled guilty to) than Junior can and should be held accountable as well since he is not above the law, despite his evident belief otherwise.

[pinniped]

8. Justice will be the day "W" stands to face the war crimes tribunal.

One can only hope.

[LynneSin]

9. Justice is a court of law - not this crap

Geez Bush is one warped motherfucker!

X(

[arcane1]

11. thank god our kids aren't hearing about blowjobs!!!!

can you imagine the negative effects of THAT????

<obvious sarcasm off>


NOTE TO IDIOTS:

I'm quite sure these guys are evil scum, as are many many MANY other foreign leaders and their underlings. I do not claim that the wolrd is a better place with people like that in charge of anything.

so use your brain, chill and think for a minute and see why this is FUCKING INSANE!!!!!!

:nofuckingemoticonpossibledammit:

[bowens43]

12. war is peace

freedom is slavery
ignorance strength
murder is justice

[mumon]

14. Hmmm....

I hope it's not against the law, but if Bush has committed any crimes, I want him to get justice.

Legally, of course.

[pinniped]

16. Oh No! The Hussein bloodline still flows somewhere.

Better make like the Bolsheviks and kill every single member of the Hussein family. There's probably like three or four dozen Husseins floating around somewhere in that sandbox.

We don't want Saddam's regime to return now would we?

[arcane1]

17. well, they killed the 14 year old grandson...

so maybe they have already thought of this....

[LeighAnn]

18. Living for the day GW Jeb Poppy Cheney Rummy Condi Wolfo Perle Baker

and all of the rest of them are brought to justice. Never lose faith, my friends! It's coming, keep fighting!!!

[SOS]

19. The killing

of Husseins sons is reminiscient of the Noriega affair under Bush Sr.
Both Hussein and Noriega were US clients of Reagan/Bush. Then something went wrong. The details of those dark alliances will probably never be fully known. For whatever nefarious reasons, Hussein and Noriega went from dear allies of Bush Sr. to characters on par with Hitler and Stalin. Then comes the use of the US military to arrest and/or kill them with thousands of "collateral damages" along the way. Seems that being allied with Poppy is a risky business.

[zls44]

20. Saw in another thread

Re: they were tourtured claims;

If they were washing the heads, as it appears they were doing in the photos, then a lot of that probably isnt blood.

Those are bruises.

I'm glad they're dead...still...hmmm...

[Jack Rabbit]

21. Justice for Bush

The Palace of Peace
The Hague
Home of the International Criminal Court

Photo from the website of Aloha Quest.

[DemoTex]

23. Bu$h justice = bloodlust. 152 in Texas found out.

Sick, sick fucker, that back-slapping smirker.

[PartyPooper]

24. The "Anti-Christ" speaks again.

I'm sure God has something entirely different in store for our "leader".

:evilfrown:

[DemoTex]

27. Hieronymus Bosch (1450-1516) saw God's plan for Bu$h:

[PartyPooper]

29. Thanks, DemoTex. Have you been to Florence lately?

This pictoral is so dramatic and apropos. I haven't seen it anywhere before.

Or, was this shown at the British Museum? Enquiring DU'ers really want to know. :)

Thanks! And, peace to you!

O8)

[Paschall]

30. I think "El Jardin de las Delicias"...

...otherwise known as "The Garden of Earthly Delights" is part of the collection at the Prado, in Madrid.

[DemoTex]

31. Yep. A couple of years ago.

I think Bosch's Hell from Paradise and Hell is in Venice at the Palazzo Ducale. Not sure though. Venice is an orgy of fine art, if you know what I mean.

But I often post Bosch's Hell with my commentaries on the hell-bound Bu$h. Better yet is Bosch's Ship of Fool's. Not only does the title fit the regime, but there are all the players, including little George in a clown outfit, on the ship swilling grog! Notice, too, the skull in the bush. Skull & Bones, early edition!


Oil on wood, 58 x 33 cm
Musée du Louvre, Paris

[ignatius]

25. "Systematically dealt with." That sounds like a line from the Godfather.

These bastards are such heathen trash..

[robbedvoter]

37. More like something Hitler would say - you know- build camps

organize - systematically . I had a chill when reading . Just when I think O can't be creeped any longer by these people...

[ignatius]

38. OMIG..you are right...that was right out ot Goebbel's playbook.

The depth of depravity of these thugs is limitless.

[saigon68]

39. and to think they are just starting

you ain't seen nothing yet

[knight_of_the_star]

26. Justice if you are in the Family

This is the kind of justice practiced by the Mafia and the Yakuza, and neither of them would have been so messy, not what America should call justice. The Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves right now and Stalin is probably sitting up in his cement covered ditch and cheering him on.

[0rganism]

32. begs the question... if this was justice, what are other Iraqi deaths?

The argument appears to be based in these facts
A. Saddam Hussein's sons were alleged to be brutal murderers
B. The U.S. military raided a house in which they were suspected to reside
C. Those resisting the U.S. military inside the house, apparently including S. Hussein's two sons, were killed

THEREFORE

D. The brutal careers of S. Hussein's sons "ended in justice"

Now, let us hypothesize that this argument is a valid one, whether or not we like it. We are left with a justification of violent death on essentially the basis of "they were evildoers".

Does this apply across the board? Hardly. Let us posit that either A or C were not satisfied; then, such a statement would be ridiculous on its face. But that is exactly what has been happening over several decades, thanks to a malformed foreign policy that values U.S. financial interests above human lives.

NEVER can such an argument, that "the brutal careers of thousands of children in Baghdad ended in justice", be constructed. But that is the price we are willing to pay for a little bit of justice and a whole lot of oil.

Someday, maybe the Bush clan will meet the sort of justice that isn't bought and paid for by their GOP buddies.

[captain wardrobe]

33. what are their real aims in all this...

hi everybody
good thread...love the Bosch


I can't help wondering , after seeing the neocon agenda...through
Afghanistan and now Iraq, that the big picture in the release
of these pictures is to create the dreaded 'Jihad'...after all
questions are being asked about the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden
and Saddam Hussein...and why they are always just out of the reach of a military industrial complex the scale of which we have never seen before on this planet...Goading seems to be the name of the game..
After all one can now see the Concept of fighting a
war of dehumanization against an Ideology would be preferable to the whitehouse hawks,...after all they have been targetting the notion of TERROR...Will this war on terror split and become the war on Jihad in the middle east , the war on WMD in the Korean peninsula...and the war on (what? say ,aids?) in Africa...

love to all
capt wardrobe

[saigon68]

34. ITS NEVER ENDING WAR

With no useful purpose except to increase corporate profits.

[Corgigal]

35. I hope the military

takes care of the soliders who had to take care of this situation. God forbid they buy into Rumsfelds theory and go home.

[saigon68]

36. I hope so too.

Although if it costs too much, or endangers corporate profits, kiss it good-bye.