Obama Is Target of GOP Jabs at NRA Meeting

[Newsjock]

Source: CBS News

Just as Barack Obama was calling President Bush and John McCain "dishonest" and "divisive" after they suggested yesterday Obama would appease terrorists, he was broadsided again, this time on the issue of gun control.

At the 137th Annual National Rifle Association Leadership Forum Meeting, in Louisville, Ky., Karl Rove was the first to go after Obama.

“You know in the age of Barack Obama I don’t know exactly what to call you, because after all, as he said, because we’re bitter and economically anxious, we ‘cling to our guns and we cling to our faith.’ Does that make us clingers or cling-ons?” said Rove, laughing, referring to comments Obama made last month at a San Francisco fund-raiser.

... Rove wasn’t the only speaker to take aim at Obama. Mike Huckabee, speaking later in the program, was interrupted by a loud noise. “That was Barack Obama,” he said. “He just tripped off a chair. He was getting ready to speak and someone pointed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/16/politics/fromtheroad/entry4103477.shtml

[fascisthunter]

1. Geee.... I Didn't Expect This from the NRA

lol

[krispos42]

62. I bet it's only a matter of days...

...before they have a scary comic book out!

:eyes:


God, tha NRA needs to mature.

[Gman]

63. Mature? That's as good as it gets.

[N4457S]

64. Yes...

...that's probably as good as it gets.

But it doesn't matter. In southern and some western states, they're a powerful group of people.

[Wickerman]

2. WHAT?

Mike Huckabee, speaking later in the program, was interrupted by a loud noise. “That was Barack Obama,” he said. “He just tripped off a chair. He was getting ready to speak and someone pointed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”


:grr:

That IS a threat to a high-ranking US official. What an ass. Please, please, McCain, run this fool as your VP. We can run this clip non-stop.

[tanyev]

3. If Cheney's holding that gun, they'd all better dive for the floor.

[JerseygirlCT]

53. Only if he's aiming at the floor... nt

[mitchum]

22. Yes, it certainly seems like a not-too-veiled threat against a presidential candidate

Why aren't the Secret Service investigating him? Nevermind...

[benEzra]

40. Oops, wrong thread. (n/t)

[BrklynLib at work]

4. If there are any principled members of that group, they really need to change their leadership.

I will always see them as following Charlton Heston, with his cold, dead hands wrapped around his gun....evne now, while he is lying in his grave.

What a bunch of schmucks.

[Bigmack]

6. NOT schmucks... LOONS! Ted Nugent...

is still on the board of the NRA. If you don't know about Ted's efforts to avoid the draft.... Google.

Some Ted quotes....
On South Africans:
"Apartheid isn't that cut and dry. All men are not created equal. The
preponderance of South Africa is a different breed of man. I mean that with
no disrespect. I say that with great respect. I love them because I'm one of
them. They are still people of the earth, but they are different. They still
put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their
butts with their hands; These are different people. You give 'em
toothpaste, they fucking eat it ... I hope they don't become civilized.
They're way ahead of the game."
--Detroit Free Press Magazine

On Racism:
"I'm a fun guy, not a sexist or a racist... I use the word nigger a lot
because I hang around with a lot of niggers ..."
--Detroit Free Press Magazine

On Hillary Clinton:
A "Toxic cunt " This bitch is nothing but a two-bit whore for Fidel Castro."
--Westworld Newspaper

On Dating:
" I met a couple guys in line yesterday who go, 'Write something to my
girlfriend, she won't let me go hunting.' I wrote her something and I said,
'Drop dead, bitch.' What good is she, trade her in, get a Dalmatian. Who
needs the wench?"
--WRIF FM Radio, Detroit, Michigan

On the Confederate Flag:
" Those politically correct motherfuckers can take the flag down but I am
going to wear it forever."
--The Fort Worth Star-Telegram

On homosexuality:
A "despicable act" performed by "guys that have sex with each other's anal
cavities."
--Hannity and Colmes
- - - - -
And wasn't Larry Craig on the Board, too?

Nice anti-NRA page.... http://www.nraleaders.com/

[ryanmuegge]

11. When people say how far left the Clintons and Obama are, it shows how little they actually know

about politics. They think they're making a "controversial," "astute" observation. In reality, it shows how ignorant they are.

[BrklynLib at work]

17. Yep. You are right.. They are certifiable.

[gratuitous]

7. Principled? The NRA?

No, and they haven't been for quite a long time.

This has been another edition of short answers to simple questions.

[notadmblnd]

5. yes Karl, it makes you a cling-on

Cling-on
little balls of toilet paper balls that sometimes cling to ass hairs after wiping.



Source: notadmblnds annotated dictionary.

[clayton72]

8. Gun Rights

I believe in the Bill of Rights and the constitution. I see little difference between the government restricting gun rights, tapping the North American communications network, and opening up public lands which belong to we the people for companies to trash in the pursuit of short term monetary gains.
I am a gun owner and I vote. I am neither Democrat or Republican, I am a moderate. I believe in helping the less fortunate and protecting the environment. I believe in a fiscally conservative government. I believe in government regulation of the marketplace so that there is trust. I believe in freedom of choice and equality among all peoples regardless of race, creed, color, sexual orientation, etc. My beliefs make me a progressive. A secular humanist. And an environmentalist. But Democrats can't take my vote for granted because of my belief in all the sacred human rights including the right to self-defense.

Democrats had better leave the gun issue alone or me and the other 65% who staunchly believe in gun rights will vote them out of office at the first opportunity.

The 1994 Brady bill ushered in the Republican wave with Newt Gingrinch at the head. The 1994 Brady Bill set the stage for Republicans taking over the congress, the white house, and the Supreme Court. If there's another Brady Bill I guarantee you it'll happen again in spite of how sickening the last 8 years have been for us all.

So don't go there, Dems! Leave our rights alone!

[OmahaBlueDog]

12. I'm genuinely curious

The Brady Bill puts, from my perspective, fairly modest restrictions on purchasing. The AWB, while a little arbitrary, isn't preventing anyone from doing any honest hunting, target shooting, or home defense. Why are gun owners so Hell bent that we're coming to take all their guns away? First, it's not Constitutional, second, it's not practical.

[fascisthunter]

14. There ya Go... crushing Talking Points

dontcha know, we Dems are "gun grabberrrrs".

Besides, it's only right the right wing can claim the left is taking away from them. It just aint fair...;)

[clayton72]

31. Well...

OK, first off, it was just plain stewpid law. The Brady Bill / AWB did NOTHING to stop crime. Law-enforcement agencies across the US have universally panned it as bad law that did nothing to address their concerns. Why is it whenever a politician says "common sense" they really mean "sounds good to the uninformed voter but won't make a damn bit of practical difference to the problems we claim to be solving"?
The stated goals behind these laws, by those who architected the anti-gun rights movement, was exactly to start the slippery slope that gun-rights advocates expressed concern about at the time. They really do want to take away all guns and that was their first steps. They have said so, just not on camera. You can't fight crime going after the law-abiding, you gotta go after the criminals.

You can't fight terrorism or crime by passing "feel good" laws that abridge the inherent rights of law abiding citizens. Whether it's privacy or self-defense rights it is wrong and must be fought and must be defeated. I see no difference between Republicans that confound privacy rights and Democrats who seek to strip law-abiding citizens of the means to defend themselves. What part of "shall not be infringed" is hard to understand?

[Paladin]

44. Question

Do you plan on saying anything whatsoever about Huckabee's "joke" about Obama? Or are you good with it?

[Tejas]

46. comment

I think it was as dull as can be, no idea why Rove or Huck got any laughs. Seriously, I can find humor in many things that others can't, but those didn't even register on the meter.



ps: I'm a gun-nut and former NRA member.

[Irreverend IX]

36. The AWB is extremely arbitrary...

And banned a class of weapons that are almost never used in crimes. Nearly all "assault weapons" are rifles, and rifles are used in less than 3% of yearly homicides; less people are killed with rifles than with fists and feet. The AWB meant that you could be convicted of a federal felony for owning a rifle with a certain combination of cosmetic features that don't even have any bearing on its overall deadliness.

Many AR15s and AK-style rifles were restricted by the AWB, but M14-style rifles, which are twice as damaging as ARs or AKs, were not restricted at all because of their traditional appearance. When you start threatening to put people in the federal pen for years because they own something that looks scary to certain people, they tend to get pissed off.

Most gun owners didn't have as much of a problem with the Brady Bill; note that it did not bring about a Republican revolution like the AWB did.

[Paladin]

45. You Resident Gun Militants Sure Are Quiet....

...about Huck's "Joke."

Your silence reminds me of the quiet that settled over the Gungeon after Cheney put a load of birdshot into his hunting companion's face.

So---is a "joke" about assassinating the probable Democratic candidate for president OK with you? Are you just going to spew the usual talking points?

[Tejas]

48. So, have you blasted an email to the NRA?

It was a lame joke from a sore loser, get over it.

[iverglas]

55. hey there

You wanna see silence settle over the gungeon -- just watch the poor persecuted law-abidin' Ron Paul-lovin gun guy they've been fawning over for a week get exposed as a gun-trafficking traitor (in the actual, disclosing military info sense) with connections to those unregulated militias.

The place echoed with the sound of silence, I'll tell ya.

But for one who deserves recognition for suggesting that someone who thought he might get along fine with G Gordon Liddy might not quite be in the right place.

That was fun.

[Irreverend IX]

58. Reached a verdict already, have you?

Sounds like you're eager to believe the BATF line about Olofson, but why don't you wait until the trial's over? He says he didn't do any damage to DoD computer systems and volunteered for extra work as opposed to going AWOL, and I tend to believe him. Anyone who deliberately undermined military computer systems, gave sensitive information to criminal groups and went AWOL would be shipped straight to prison, or at least they'd be dishonorably discharged and not still serving in the reserves.

[iverglas]

70. scusi??

(a) Sounds like you're eager to believe the BATF line about Olofson, but why don't you wait until the trial's over?

The trial is over:

http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=49&a=342695

Wisconsin man gets 30 months over transfer of gun
5/15/2008 9:54:33 AM

MILWAUKEE -- A Wisconsin man whose federal conviction for illegally transferring a machine gun drew national attention on CNN and the Internet was sentenced Tuesday to 30 months in prison.

David R. Olofson, 36, of Berlin, Wis., who remains a member of the Army Reserve until his felony conviction becomes official, was convicted by a jury in January.

If *you* want to believe the tale that Mr. Olofson lent a firearm to a friend/neighbour and it, uh, didn't work right, rather than the evidence that he was engaging in a business converting AR-15s to AR-16s and selling them, for starters, feel free.

I'm not seeing it as particularly intelligent to disregard the evidence that he was in possession of a manual for converting AR-15s to AR-16s (i.e. to automatic fire capability) and had ordered the parts for doing so ...


(b) He says he didn't do any damage to DoD computer systems and volunteered for extra work as opposed to going AWOL, and I tend to believe him. Anyone who deliberately undermined military computer systems, gave sensitive information to criminal groups and went AWOL would be shipped straight to prison, or at least they'd be dishonorably discharged and not still serving in the reserves.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751515

Gun offender received Army censure in 2002
Reprimand accused reservist of tampering with computers

A Wisconsin Army reservist sentenced this week on a federal machine gun conviction was reprimanded in 2002 for corrupting military computers and possibly providing sensitive information to Wisconsin militia groups, Army documents state.

That report called for an Army criminal investigation into whether David R. Olofson and other soldiers broke federal laws. It also recommended that Olofson, who told soldiers he belonged to an anti-government militia, and at least one other soldier be involuntarily separated from the military.

... Lt. Col. Scott Fitzgerald, a spokesman for Olofson's former unit, the 84th Division out of Milwaukee, said he wouldn't expect someone with such a reprimand could re-enlist.

"I am surprised, with as strong as that general reprimand is," said Fitzgerald, who also is a state senator. "That seems pretty strange."

His attorney, Brian Fahl, said Olofson, who was on active duty for four years, didn't know anything about the Army's investigation. However, a prosecutor said the reprimand and other documents came from Olofson's own computer, which was seized in a raid. "He did not know of it," Fahl said of the investigation. "He says he doesn't know how it got on his computer."

Not got google?

Maybe the US military believed in that adage about keeping your enemies closer.

Now ... *you* can believe the BATFE put that stuff on his computer if you like ...

[Irreverend IX]

57. Why am I supposed to give a shit about Huckabee again? nt

[benEzra]

37. The original Brady Bill was a mandatory waiting period and optional background check,

and applied to handguns only, as I recall. It was replaced in the late '90s by the mandatory NICS point-of-sale background check, which applied to all classes of firearms and not just handguns. Personally, I am OK with the background check, but the waiting period was petty harassment, IMO. I think NICS as it now stands is a good compromise.

The "assault weapon" bait-and-switch, on the other hand, is aimed squarely at the most popular rifles in the United States, and would ban most defensive carbines and the most popular centerfire target rifles. When you attempt to outlaw the most popular rifles in America, don't be surprised if rifle owners are a bit resistant to the idea. FWIW, more people own "assault weapons," as defined by H.R.1022, as hunt (only 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners is a hunter).

FWIW, for something truly scary, check out the "Brady II" bill, S.1878 (1994, 103rd session), the first attempt at a Federal AWB. IT OUTLAWED ANY RIFLE OR HANDGUN HOLDING OVER 6 ROUNDS, any rifle with a handgrip that sticks out, etc.; so much for your home-defense carbines and pistols. That bill scared the crap out of gun owners, because it revealed where the gun-ban lobby wanted to take us...and then the passage of the Feinstein law in September of that year motivated everyone into political action.

BTW, did you know Gingrich apparently had the opportunity to stopp the Feinstein law in conference committee, and didn't? He wanted Dems to pass it, because he was hoping to ride the backlash into the Speaker's chair. A few gun-clueless Dems in key positions played right into his hand, and handed Congress to the repubs for a twelve years.

[OmahaBlueDog]

69. First, thanks for the thoughtful response

One thing I can add anecdotally is that, while there is a spectrum of opinions on guns in any community, views on this issue change depending on where you live. If you live in the urbanized coastal cities in the east or west, gun crime is an issue, and Joe Citizen's gun experience is often limited to having been robbed or having lost loved ones to gun violence. Joe Citizen probably doesn't hunt, shoot trap, or shoot targets. Often, even if Joe Citizen could have a gun in the house, he does not want one. So, in these instances, Joe doesn't understand why anyone on earth wants a gun that shoots as fast as you can pull the trigger, or why anyone needs more than 6 shots.

When you move to the Midwest, it's an entirely different mind set. Gun crime is low, relative to the costs (Chicago and St. Louis being somewhat exceptions). Urban dwellers in cities like Denver, Omaha, and Des Moines are often hunters. Gun crime is viewed as a coastal problem, and people here don't understand why their gun purchases should be regulated.

I personally think background checks and 3 day waiting periods are reasonable, and while I realize that private individuals can trade guns, I would like to see better oversight of the gun show trade. I also think most citizens, unless they are truly committed to regular practice with their weapon, are better off investing in a home-security system than a gun for self defense.

[hack89]

49. The most popular target rifle in America was banned by the AWB

talking about the AR-15. It would be banned by the AWB. What is wrong with a semi-automatic rifle?

[Dogtown]

23. Gee

Thanks for the warning!

[liberal1973]

24. The NRA is a bunch of un-American S.O.Bs

All you have to look at is the scumbag Ted Nutgent and others like him.
B-)

The NRA does not stand for anything anymore. It's made up of un-American pieces of crap.

[clayton72]

35. Talk like that...

Talk like that gives Rush Limbaugh a woody and Bill O`Reily reach for his loofah.

Do the Dems a favor and don't speak in public if that's how you're going to talk. You sounds as bad as any of the ignorant, knuckle-draggin, intollerant Repugnantcan audiences that they play to and fuel their hate towards liberals.

[OmahaBlueDog]

68. Strangely, tthe ACLU and NRA are flip sides of the same coin

The ACLU is a big defender of the 1st, 5th, and 14th amendments

The NRA is a big defender of the 2nd amendment

My opinion of both is the same: it seems like both now resort to fighting extreme battles in the name of a "slippery slope" rather than conceding that every right has limits and limitations. A lot of people believe (very strongly) that the ACLU does not stand for anything anymore -- it's made up of un-American pieces of crap. I confess that I am not among the ACLUs admirers, despite my left leaning tendencies.

All of that said (at least when I was a kid -- I don't know about now) the NRA did very good work with gun safety education.

[coriolis]

28. Defending the 2nd Amendment around here is tantamount to encouraging child molestation.

There are people here who don't give a rat's ass about -some- rights (oddly enough, the ones they don't care to exercise for themselves.)
And a lot of them have nonstop penis-on-the-brain too. I'm sure you've noticed. :eyes:

[clayton72]

30. Progressive?

Yeah, gotta admit I'm shocked by some responses I see here. Pretty similar language and attitude to knuckle draggin Republicans. I guess that just goes to show whether someone is far left or far right they're equally intollerant to view points that disaggree with their own. The moderate majority really has to step up and stop the madness on both sides.

[bigworld]

9. Mike Huckabee usually seems like a likeable, reasonable guy

... but his jokes all seem to have this really mean, hateful edge to them. It's kind of creepy.

[JerseygirlCT]

54. That's because "seems" is the key word here. nt

[N4457S]

66. Maybe...

...he was hittin' the sauce that day.

[noonwitch]

10. At least he's not like Keith Butler, who ran for Senate in Michigan

Keith is a minister of a large church that some call a cult, in Southfield, and served as a republican on the Detroit city council around 10 years ago. He ran for senate in the GOP primaries in 2006 and lost to Bouchard, who lost in the general to Debbie Stabenow.

I went up north right before the primary and saw a billboard with Keith, wearing green camo, and holding a hunting rifle. I neglected to mention that Keith is black-the last image that poor white trash from up north want to see is one of a black man in camo aiming a hunting rifle.

Not many black candidates are liked by the NRA. Obama can win without them, so can Hillary, for that matter. Bill won without them.

[pipoman]

41. He can win without the NRA, he may have a problem

winning without the other 75 million gun owners.

[depakid]

13. "broadsided?" Only in the minds of CBS "news"

how are those ratings working out for ya?

[ryanmuegge]

15. This is just a front group for the Grover Norquist types to energize a certain segment of the

population. In this case, the gun owners. Just like the leadership of the evangelical Christian organizations that are prominent in right-wing politics.

[BrklynLib at work]

18. That makes a lot of sense..and these guys are being "used" in the same way.

[Ian David]

16. The American Hunters and Shooters Association Supports Obama: He "Gets It"

Today, as president of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), I announced our endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination for president of the United States. Because the gun issue has recently become a factor in the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania, I want to share the remarks I made today:

As a gun rights organization we have not come to this decision lightly. We were formed two years ago because our research shows that millions of gun owners wanted a change. They not only wanted an organization that would protect their gun rights but an organization that was also committed to the protection of their communities as well as the protection of our lands.

<snip>

We believe recent attacks on Senator Obama's stand on the 2nd Amendment and his commitment to our hunting and shooting heritage are unfair and American Hunters and Shooters Association is stepping up to set the record straight.

Senator Obama has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the 2nd Amendment by his vote in support of the Vitter amendment to HR 5441, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill of 2007. This amendment prevents the Government from confiscating guns in a time of crisis or emergency.

More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ray-schoenke/hunters-and-shooters-supp_b_97028.html




Montana Sportsmen for Obama
By Christopher Hass - Apr 23rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm EDT

HELENA, MT – The Obama campaign announced today the formation of the Montana Sportsmen for Obama Committee on a press conference call with reporters. Members of the committee cited Senator Obama’s commitment to supporting the rights and tradition of sportsmen, and the need to address the conservation challenge in Montana and across America.

“Hunting and angling are important traditions in Montana, passed from generation to generation,” said Steve Doherty, former Montana Senate Minority Leader and Chair of the Montana Fish, Wildlife, and Parks Commission. “Sen. Obama understands the challenges Montana’s hunters and anglers face from dwindling wildlife and climate change, and he is committed to preserving our lands and protecting natural habitats.”

“Senator Obama believes in protecting gun rights and respects the Second Amendment and the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms,” said Rep. Kendall Van Dyk (D-Billings), House Democratic Chair of the Montana Legislative Sportsman Caucus.

“Obama gets the connection between global warming and wildlife and habitat. He supports common sense solutions, endorsed by dozens of America’s premier hunting and angling organizations including our very own Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation here in Montana, that will reduce the effects of climate change on wildlife.” said Land Tawney, an avid sportsman and leader in the conservation community. “Access here a big issue for sportsmen in Montana and as a US Senator he supported Open Fields Incentive legislation which provides federal money for public access to private land programs.”

More:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGCVmb





PRESS CONFERENCE CALL THIS AFTERNOON
Montana Conservationists Defend Obama on Hunting, Gun Issues
By Bill Schneider, 4-18-08

Stung by recent accusations that he doesn’t support the best interests of hunters, anglers and gun owners, presidential candidate Barack Obama had his campaign office hold a press conference call today to refute those claims and show “Senator Obama’s commitment to the rights and traditions of Montana’s sportsmen.”

An impressive line up spoke on Obama’s behalf, starting with Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission chairman and former state senator Steve Doherty, who pointed out that roughly half of the people in Montana’s hunt or fish and that he believed Obama would more strongly represent hunters, anglers and gun owners than Hillary Clinton.

<snip>

Kendall Van Dyk, a member of the Montana House of Representatives and chair of the Legislative Sportsman’s Caucus, gave examples of where Obama had voted for gun rights and Hillary had not. “He (Obama) understands the importance of the Second Amendment,” Van Dyk emphasized.

Capping off the discussion was Land Tawney, active in many conservation groups such as the Hellgate Hunters and Anglers, National Wildlife Federation and Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership.

More:
http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/motnana_conservationists_defend_obama_on_hunting_gun_issues/C41/L41/

[benEzra]

38. If the AHSA would stop fighting to ban the most popular rifles in America,

they might be a valid alternative to the NRA. As it is, not so much.

I have commented to Mr. Schoenke on the matter, but he doesn't seem to be following the issue all that closely anymore. It is a positive sign that ASHA finally did give Rosenthal the boot, though.

[iverglas]

19. there is actually a place at DU

where this would be posted as evidence of how gun control is going to cost the Democratic Party votes ...

How refreshing to see a bunch of right-wing assholes making sophomoric jokes being recognized for what they are. ;)

[Wickerman]

25. thank you for not linking

to that actual place. :-)

[-..__...]

60. "There is actually a place at DU"

It's called GD Politics.

"How refreshing to see a bunch of right left-wing assholes making sophomoric jokes being recognized for what they are".

[mitchum]

20. Hmmm...whatever could Huckabee mean by his little joke?

What a despicable little born again piece of shit

[mitchum]

21. If rove posed with a rifle at the event, it would have been impossible to tell him apart...

from freakin' Elmer Fudd

[wilt the stilt]

26. NRA+small penis convention n/t

[wilt the stilt]

27. nra=small penis convention

[Tejas]

50. and this, ladies and gentlemen

is an example of yet another that didn't think about those of the fairer sex that enjoy the sport/hobby/etc of firearms before she/he posted.

Care to enlighten us with your thoughts?

[iverglas]

71. "the fairer sex"

Care to enlighten us with your thoughts?

They say a single candle can work wonders, but I'm thinking a miracle would be needed.


an example of yet another that didn't think about those of the fairer sex that enjoy the sport/hobby/etc of firearms before she/he posted.

Hmm. I'm seeing an example of someone not stopping to think what it says about him when he can't see the difference between the NRA and people who enjoy the sport/hobby/etc of firearms.


Of course, there are also a lot of people who take advantage of the fact that some use "NRA" as shorthand for the NRA's PAC, which funds the Republican Party, or the NRA-ILA, which carries on the political agitation work that the NRA itself is not supposed to engage in. Some people aren't aware of the distinctions; one wonders sometimes whether the NRA's leadership is ...

[coriolis]

29. Gun haters=no-penis gang.

...

[Baby Snooks]

32. The rabid Huckabee....

He is vile to make such a joke but then he and his ilk believe they are somehow the "chosen ones" and are "destined" to lead us all to the path to glory. He should take his flag and his Bible and stick both up his ass. And while he's at it he can stick all the fundamentalists who still want McCain to pick him as his running mate "or else" up there as well.

The only hope for this country is Barack Obama. And most of us fear that he will never make it to the election if he becomes the nominee.

And if something happens, the Clintons will bear part of the blame with their racist campaign which has pointed out not only their own racism but the racism of quite a few Democrats.

They should have condemned the racism of the governor of Pennsylvania and instead sat by and said nothing. And smiled. They found their magic bullet. And have used it ever since. They have shot him figuratively. And would no doubt act very shocked if someone shot him literally but of course that would solve their problem. She would be the nominee. Even after he became the nominee. She would take his place on the ballot. Not his running mate.

She hopes to pull enough of the popular vote in the remaining states to justify the superdelegates committing to her and giving her the nomination. Just watch. Karl Rove wouldn't stoop as low as she has and certainly wouldn't have stooped so low so blatantly. But hey, if it works, go for it, right?

Her supporters should hang their heads in shame for what she has done not only to the Democratic Party but to this country. What Bush was unable to divide, she has. By making racism "politically correct" once more.

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[greiner3]

34. The way I see it;

There are so few people going to vote Democratic, much less Barack, for president that all the NRA crap is nothing!

[benEzra]

39. That is idiotic.

Not only that Huckabee said that, but that they actually had Huckabee speak.

The NRA is getting roasted on the gun board I frequent for having Huckabee, of all people, on the platform; more gun owners are wary of the Religious Right than not (even among those who are repubs, never mind Dems, indies, and libertarians), and the general consensus is that whoever invited him to speak showed extremely poor judgement.

Not only that, but his joke implied that NRA members would actually point a gun at Obama, which if you think about it is a pretty severe slam on the NRA--and Huckabee was too oblivious to realize that.

[Tejas]

51. Yep, and just one more

reason the NRA only has 4 million members out of the 80 million gunowners in the US. Pretty much reinforces the idea that the NRA is out of touch.

[jody]

42. When SCOTUS rules the 2nd protects an individual RKBA for self-defense, BO has an opportunity to

say "I will veto every bill that comes to me as president that infringes upon the natural, inherent, inalienable right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense."

If he doesn't do that, he will remain vulnerable to allegations of "gun-grabber" intentions.

[customerserviceguy]

52. It will be interesting to see

what the SCOTUS considers to be "reasonable" exceptions to a fully-unfettered RKBA, and to see lawmakers try to craft bills that just barely fit within those guidelines. Candidate Obama will surely be asked what he feels about various proposals that will be floating around. He's going to have to do a very delicate dance to not enrage one side or the other of the gun debate.

[-..__...]

61. Probably not much of an immediate issue.

If the SCOTUS affirms an individual right to "keep and bear arms" (and I'm reasonably confident that they will), but also states
that "reasonable restrictions" are allowed, it will take years and many court battles to sort out what those restrictions are(well past a two term presidency), .

Obama won't make an issue of it... but the squeaky hamster wheels in the Senate and House (Kennedy, Schumer, Feinstein, McCarthy, etc),
will continue to push the issue.

They've been squawking and and flapping their wings for ages now and not one single gun control bill of theirs has passed or been enthusiastically endorsed.

I expect more of the same.

Win or lose... gun control isn't going anywhere (at least not in my lifetime).

[skooooo]

43. The Feds will be way up NRAs ass then...

They don't take things like this as "funny."

[darue]

47. well if the NRA is going to be a repig only event, call the whole fucking thing an in-kind donation

it's fucking war people

[L. Coyote]

56. VIDEO on DU:

Gov. Huckabee "Jokes" about Someone Aiming a Gun at Sen. Barack Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x133499

[Proud Liberal Dem]

59. It sounds like the GOP is having a real meltdown about having Obama as the likely Dem nominee

All of their prejudice and bigotry really seems to be spilling out all of the sudden.

[N4457S]

65. Even So...

...the problem of winning Ohio and Pennsylvania looms large in Obama's future.

And guess what else? Both of those are big gun states. Pennsylvania, especially.

This ain't gonna happen. There's no way.

[wordpix]

67. Rove better watch his step-Conyers is ready to haul him to the Hill in handcuffs

as well he should. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/conyers-on-rove-someones_n_101998.html

[SammyWinstonJack]

72. Obama is a moron on his own, he doesn't need any special help.