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CHIMO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:06 PM Original message |
Taser jolt can cause fatal heart rhythm, probe told |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R... |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. Fall back to the billy club and gun then. Much safer. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Howabout the MF learn to do their job and quit being lazy, fat assed donut holes. |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. You must have been in law enforcement, I mean you know so much about it. |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Right... |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I call BULLSHIT on this post. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Spot on. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
82. Good Catch |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. You know... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I've never seen one used for backtalking. |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Yeah, and I've never been to Wyoming... |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Where have you been hanging out? Mars? Look at these: |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. You need to quit misrepresenting what I said. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Well, NOW you can see it, can't you? And by the way.... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Difference in perception I guess. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Ahhhh! A new term: AGGRESSIVE NON-COMPLIANCE! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Not my perception, not your perception. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. OMG! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I didn't say it was. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Aggressive non-compliance is YOUR term. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Deleted message |
Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. You really would like to use that taser, wouldn't you, David? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Never wanted to be a cop, definitely don't want to use a taser on anyone. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You may be interested. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Pay attention, David. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Your first response asked if I was from mars. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. But they AREN'T being used properly, are they? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. So we agree. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. We do not agree, David. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You must not have read my posts. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I read your posts. We do not agree, David. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Ok then. |
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143tbone (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
53. For those that think only criminals get tased. Thanks for your post. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I would love to see info on suits brought against police departments for this illegal tasing. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #56 |
76. No, David, the BEST way is to outlaw their use. Period. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #53 |
75. Even the COPS are filing suit against Taser for injuries! |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
81. ? |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
68. i heard that! |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Taser Inc., located here in AZ, is aggressively attacking medical examiners who |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's as if they think if someone is tasered to death, they deserve it for they should not |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
8. Okay Captain obvious. |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Not a particularly logical argument... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I said I think they are a contributing factor. |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. I would disagree on a few points |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Stimulants often cause cardiac arrest. |
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CHIMO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Taser jolt can cause fatal heart rhythm, probe told |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. "Just because somebody collapses of sudden death minutes later after a Taser application doesn't mea |
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CHIMO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Taser jolt can cause fatal heart rhythm, probe told |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. You realize the guy that said that is the ceo of another taser company right. |
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CHIMO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. So Where's |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Where's the proof the it does, |
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CHIMO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. You Are |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. They are dangerous. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. I sure as hell hope no cop ever decides to taze MY sassy ass. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Quite possible. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Glad I don't have them anymore......... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
11. Tasers have only been tested on HEALTHY subjects that signed the release form at the link below |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Again my point. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. If tasers are a contributing factor in some deaths, that must mean the suspect would be alive if the |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I don't disagree with your second point. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. You say "but when killing the suspect is not called for" but no one has yet proven that tasers are |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. They aren't non-lethal weapons. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. If you are correct that tasers are "less lethal weapons" then how much "less lethal" are they than |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. They are far less lethal. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. If every time a taser is used, there is a probability the target may die, then why shouldn't tasers |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. There is a probability that a suspect may die if they are restrained. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Taser says it's up to each agency to establish it's own policy for taser use but how can that happen |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. The cases here have both been suspect involved in car and foot pursuits. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Good point about situations where tasers are a step below firearms. Has any LE agency developed a |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I haven't seen one. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Makes sense to me. I've been stressing the fact tasers have been tested only on healthy subjects. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. On a side note, I appreciate your civility and respect. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. DA! Of course they are dangerous. |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. Shocker. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. BUT, they are HUGE Republican donors!! |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
19. Well, duh. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Exactly my point. |
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barnel (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
43. not like the guy has a conflict of interest or anything |
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barnel (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
44. It does give an alternative to gunshots |
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OKthatsIT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #44 |
77. Tasers need to go. Police are out of control. |
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mantis49 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
49. Another death after Taser use just happened |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Uh oh! Their own fault! They musta been "aggressively non-compliant"! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Way to be open minded and judge before knowing the facts. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
84. Somebody died... boy that point went way over your head |
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raul diblasio (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
67. Id' like to see the data |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
83. Yeah... Let's Test Equipment and Wait for Lawsuits |
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