Clinton Aides Doubtful About Future

[ckramer]

Source: wp

INDIANAPOLIS, May 6 -- After failing to win the decisive sweep in North Carolina and Indiana that could have reshaped the Democratic race, disappointed aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton conceded it would be difficult for her to catch Sen. Barack Obama in either delegates or overall votes in the six remaining contests.

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Hillary's end is near.

Doesn't she wish that the pro-war vote was not cast?

[Mountainman]

1. The pro war vote was an attempt to hold on to her seat by appeasing what she thought was the

majority opinion. I knew that the intelligence was a lie so did she. So did every other Dem who voted for this illegal and immoral and costly fucking war. And they still do not have the balls to make that vote right by calling for an end to it!

So many Dems who voted against the IWR held on to their seats like Dennis Kucinich.

I'm glad!

[yardwork]

7. I agree. We knew that there were no WMD or imminent threat from Iraq.

Clinton knew it too. So did the rest of Congress. I'm proud of those who voted against it. I hope that next time, more Congress critters will show some courage.

[ckramer]

9. I don't know how much conviction Pelosi had when she voted against the war

But she's definitely smarter than Hillary on that vote.

[still_one]

2. Then why is she lending her campaign 6 million dollars. After listening to lany davis

I had an impression that they don't care if this goes to the Convention, and if the fight happens on the floor

[Mountainman]

3. Probably because they are in debt 6 million

[John Q. Citizen]

12. I think that was money already lent, back in April sometime. But until she declares she's out, I'm

still working hard to ID voters and win here in Montana.

If she finally faces the facts, and declares she's out, I will still work to maximize Obama's vote in MT, but I will do it in a less intense and hard core fashion and instead move into a more fun and celebratory mode.

That would be nice.

[still_one]

16. Unfortunately, I think all Obama supporters will be fighting up to the Convention

and maybe even at the Convention which would be the worst possible thing

[RedEarth]

4. However Clinton's Chief Strategist in North Carolina says the loss Represented Progress

Hillary Chief Strategist: North Carolina Loss Represented Progress Because We Won Among White Voters

On the Hillary conference call, Hillary chief strategist Geoff Garin made the case for her electability in some of the most explicitly race-based terms I've heard yet.

Garin argued that the North Carolina contest, which Obama won by 14 points, represented "progress" for Hillary because she did better among white voters there than she did in Virginia.

"When we began in North Carolina," Garin said, "our internal polling and much of the public polling we were running exactly even with white voters."

Garin said that the Virginia electorate was the "closest white electorate in the country" to North Carolina, and added that Hillary "started even" among whites in North Carolina, and "ended up earning a significant win of 24 points."

"We obviously did not do as well as we would want or needed to among African American voters," Garin concluded.

Put in the context of the Hillary campaign's chief argument that she's the more electable Dem, Garin's overall implication here is that her success among white voters in North Carolina yesterday is "progress" in the sense that it strengthens her case for electability.

In other words, it's an explicit, and unabashed, linking of her claim of electability to her success among whites.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_chief_strategist_north.php

[yardwork]

8. I'm proud to be a white voter who voted for Obama in North Carolina.

I reject and repudiate racist pandering.

[gateley]

5. Her vote on the IWR is the least of my reasons for not supporting her --

but her vote on Kyl-Lieberman was the beginning of the end for me.

[WillyToad]

22. Obama co-sponsored a bill with the exact same language as Kyl-Lieberman

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./temp/~c110BTVR8g:e943:">Obama sponsored the exact same thing as Kyl-Lieberman, but that is different somehow...

Section 3

"(8) The Secretary of State should designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a Foreign Terrorist Organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189) and the Secretary of the Treasury should place the Iranian Revolutionary Guards on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists under Executive Order 13224 (66 Fed. Reg. 186; relating to blocking property and prohibiting transactions with persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism).
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Obama also didnt bother to show up to vote on Kyl Lieberman, which he obviously didnt care about enough to take a stand

Love the hypocracy

[gateley]

23. It wasn't intentional hypocrisy on my part.

Obama not voting on Kyl-Lieberman made me more positive of my choice in candidate at the time -- Biden. And I agree -- he SHOULD have voted. I feel strongly about this.

Is this really the same as the Kyl-Lieberman amendment? Your like brings me to a page that isn't there any more.

If so, then Obama needs to address this.

But her vote for Kyl-Lieberman WAS the beginning of the end for me. She was the only candidate who voted for it (of those who did vote) so to me, her motive was questionable.

[ToughLuck]

6. Concede, I will believe it when I see it. McGovern asked her to step aside earlier today I believe.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

10. Yep, Clinton aides should be polishing their resumes

and looking for their next job.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. I would expect that...

Considering the tone and tenor of some things that came out of her campaign, some of those campaign aides, especially the senior ones, are gonna have a tough time finding new campaigns to work on. At least at the presidential level, and perhaps congressional as well. A lot of bad blood has been created.

[The Blue Flower]

13. "Don't cry for me, Indiana"

The delusion is intact: "We're going to the White House!"

[Demeter]

14. As Far as the Campaign Is Concerned, There IS No Future

Shut it down. Do everybody a favor, especially Hillary.

[ObamaKerryDem]

15. "Doesn't she wish that the pro-war vote was not cast?"

100% agree. I think that is one of her biggest negatives right there. Hell, even at the very beginning, when I was actually excited about her running, that was the one (big) thing that gave me pause. I wanted to look at the other candidates first, before deciding whether or not to vote for her, particurally the ones who were against it all along (like Obama). And boy, am I glad I did! :D

This is, after all, the first election cycle after the war began that we've had a viable (and front running) candidate who actually didn't go along with it, who wasn't fooled by Bush's BS. Combine that with all Hillary's other negatives and it's much harder to make a case for her over someone like Obama.

It's time for a REAL change and I think more and more people are realizing it, as last night's results show..

GOBAMA!! :D

[krkaufman]

17. "Doesn't she wish that the pro-war vote was not cast?"

A lot of things would be different if she'd chosen that vote as her time to fight, instead of caving.

[ckramer]

18. If she didn't vote for the war - Obama had no chance against her

If she didn't vote for the war, she would be a perfect democrat - today she would be unstoppable.

[krkaufman]

20. I won't go as far as "perfect" ... but the nomination would be hers. n/t

[Winterblues]

19. IMO she would make a great Senate Majority Leader

I think she would be far better than Reid....

[trof]

21. Nominated for 'Understatement of the Year'.

;-)